Re: [tips] For the Brain, Remembering Is Like Reliving - NYTimes.com
On September 5, 2008, Christopher D. Green wrote: > NYT report of an interesting article in the upcoming issue of > Science about the neuropsychology of memory. > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/science/05brain.html?ref=science Paul Brandon responded: >Which is consistent with the behavioral interpretation that >remembering is the later repetition of the initial observing behavior. Should this be "remembering of a certain kind is like reliving"? I'm thinking of recollections of distant events that are actually the result of remembering a whole series of rememberings over time, and possibly (such as in the case of childhood memories) includes material that other people have supplied in the past. Would these be registered as "relivings" in the same way? I have my doubts. Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London http://www.esterson.org --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[tips] For the Brain, Remembering Is Like Reliving - NYTimes.com
A second thought on my previous posting on "Remembering is like reliving": >Should this be "remembering of a certain kind is like reliving"? >I'm thinking of recollections of distant events that are actually >the result of remembering a whole series of rememberings over >time, and possibly (such as in the case of childhood memories) >includes material that other people have supplied in the past. >Would these be registered as "relivings" in the same way? >I have my doubts. I think there is good evidence that false memories can be experienced subjectively like reliving an event (though this may be a result of going over and over the 'event', as in psychotherapy). So where does that leave us? More experiments? Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London http://www.esterson.org --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] A bit off topic
Because many I have encountered here in the midwest u.s. have "Neenah" embossed on them, I just assumed they were honoring my place of birth. I grew up breathing air from the iron factory where many were made--cough, cough. Ahh ideas of self-reference. If they are laid down properly they should not be a problem for traffic. There are also drains on the curbs where I used to find coins and all sorts of fun things as a kid...but then those were different days. gary Gerald L. (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D. Professor, Psychology Saginaw Valley State University University Center, MI 48710 989-964-4491 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] A bit off topic
I thought "manhole" covers were in the street because of the sewers, and the workers needed access. Today the covers are being stolen and sold for scrap metal. When I was younger, and learning to drive. They provided a reference point to begin making a turn onto another street. I guess my driver's ed teacher didn't think I was learning how to turn properly? Jim Jim Matiya Florida Gulf Coast University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contributor, for Karen Huffman's Psychology in Action, Video Guest Lecturettes John Wiley and Sons. Using David Myers' texts for AP Psychology? Go to http://bcs.worthpublishers.com/cppsych/ High School Psychology and Advanced Psychology Graphic Organizers, Pacing Guides, and Daily Lesson Plans archived at www.Teaching-Point.net> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:18:29 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: tips@acsun.frostburg.edu> Subject: Re: [tips] A bit off topic> > Because many I have encountered here in the midwest u.s. have "Neenah" embossed on them, I just assumed they were honoring my place of birth. I grew up breathing air from the iron factory where many were made--cough, cough. Ahh ideas of self-reference.> If they are laid down properly they should not be a problem for traffic. There are also drains on the curbs where I used to find coins and all sorts of fun things as a kid...but then those were different days. gary > > Gerald L. (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D.> Professor, Psychology> Saginaw Valley State University> University Center, MI 48710> 989-964-4491> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ---> To make changes to your subscription contact:> > Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] A bit off topic
PC? Try "sewerhole cover" or "sewer cover." Linda Tollefsrud Professor of Psychology University of Wisconsin - Barron County 1800 College Drive Rice Lake, WI 54868 (715) 234-8176 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:16 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] A bit off topic Michael Smith asked why manhole covers are placed in the street rather than the sidewalk. The answer is similar to that given by celebrated criminal Willie Sutton when asked why he robbed banks. He said "Because that's where the money is". Because that's where the sewer pipes are. I was unable to find an answer to the question of what the politically correct call a manhole cover. However, I did discover that Wikipedia has an entry on these ubiquitous artifacts of advanced civilization. They don't answer that question but pose another, "Why are manhole covers round?" This is apparently a famous Microsoft psychological assessment question for job interviews, which moves this thread back into TIPS- relevant territory. Wikipedia gives 11 possible answers. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] A bit off topic
And of course, how could you play stickball without them? On Sep 6, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Jim Matiya wrote: > When I was younger, and learning to drive. They provided a > reference point to begin making a turn onto another street. I > guess my driver's ed teacher didn't think I was learning how to > turn properly? Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[tips] Random Thought: A Coming Anniversary
It is September. In eight days I will celebrate the first anniversary of what everyone calls "a divine miracle": my survival of a massive cerebral hemorrahage as an unscathed "5 per center." So, as the 15th approaches, as the self-examining period of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur draws near, I've been thinking and feeling more intensely than usual about my life in the classroom, my life as a whole, and life in general. This morning, during my power walk at dawn, I looked up at the clear, still star-studded, sky. Tears formed in my eyes and dripped down my cheeks. I felt so reborn. I felt so clear about my purpose in life. I felt so completely alive. I felt so completely free. I so felt this overwhelming sense of happiness, and realization of how much of a blessing it is to have just this single moment of life. I stopped to take a deep breath. I came oh so close to dropping down on the sidewalk for a convulsive cry of joy. Really! You see, walking through the valley of the shadow of death has enlightened my lifeand changed my attitude toward life and death. I feel as if I had taken my first step on this magnificent inner journey when I had my personal epiphany in 1991 that has been spreading through all facets of my life like a protective vaccine; then, there was surviving my cancer four years ago. But coming through my near-fatal cerebral hemorrahage dwarfed their impact. Nevertheless, they each are like sheets of sandpapers of my life. Their grits are still shaping my spirit and soul. They are still smoothing and polishing my awareness, otherness, empathy, sensitivity, appreciation, humility, and hopefully my wisdom. Each day I awaken with the realization that what I choose to do with this one day is up to me. So, each day I consciously make a resolution to consciously greet this one and only day I have with a resolving yes; that I will not live in the shadow of pessimism, cynicism, anxiety, and fear; that I wont let the gift of this one more day pass unwrapped as a blur and merely mark it off as an "ah me" passing of "just another." Instead, I will live, love, laugh, have fun, and enjoy to the fullest throughout this one more day given to me--as it if were my last and as it almost was on that fateful September 15thwith no guarantee of tomorrow. Now, if that be "touchy-feely," so be it. It beats being down and jaded and numb. How does this affect my teaching? My gratitude is a continuous state of heart and mind. Wherever I go and whatever I do, there it is. A great worship is going on all the time, so nothing should be neglected or excluded from my constant meditative awareness. Each day I awaken knowing, especially from student entries in their journals, that the most effective teaching tool I have at my fingertips is me, for as I can see the holiness in each student, I know I will concentrate on finding and helping each of them to find what is good in her or him, and I will experience a life that is filled with fulfillment and gratitude. And, when you have a strong sense of who you are and a clear vision of where you want to go and what you want to do and whom you want to serve with your teaching, you then have the foundation for reaching out to each student, the strength to overcome all obstacles, and the courage to go after your dreams for a better, more meaningful, and more purposeful life. So, I always dance onto campus firmly knowing that this day is mine to experience; this day is mine not to let my heart get distanced from any student; this day is mine to live; this day is mine to express what it means to be alive; this day is mine to smile and laugh; this day is mine to remember that my authenticity is stronger than any obstacle; this day is mine to act to make a positive, meaningful difference; this day is filled with untold possibilities; this day I have the power to transform any ordinary moment into something extraordinary; this day is mine to make the impossible possible; this day is mine not to take, but to give and share; this day is mine to live with all the purpose and richness I can imagine; this day is mine to help a student help herself or himself become a little more who she or he is capable of becoming; this day is mine to fill with optimism, cheerfulness, kindness, empathy, belief, support, encouragement, hope, and love; this day is mine to live true to my highest purpose; this day is mine to know fulfillment and satisfaction. Sound Pollyannaish? Maybe. Then again, maybe you have to stare the Grim Reaper in its faceless face to understand that the attitude and feeling I have are not head-in-the-clouds. They are soul nurturing, feet-on-the-ground. You see, being up is a greater high than being down, that optimism is deeper than pessimism, and that cheerful confidence more profound than fear. My natural exuberance gives me an upbeat view of the
RE: [tips] A bit off topic
First, that issue of the microsoft test, is that confirmed or legend (I've had four students recently interview with them and none mentioned that- some other dumb stuff but not that). BTW- in terms of practical reasons that the sewer-covers are round - isn't it an engineering problem- and the only shape for the cover that has no short axis is the circle? (Cause in a rectangle if you place the cover so the long axis of the hole and short axis of the cover are lined up - the cover becomes stuff in the hole). But I don't think this is really off topic too far. I can think of lots of ways or instances when this could be used in classes. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." Dorothy Parker --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])<>
Re: [tips] For the Brain, Remembering Is Like Reliving - NYTimes.com
I'm not sure that what is claimed is a subjective re-living (presumably a kind of current experience invoking emotion which may, or may not, be stored with the memory), but just that the same cells that were active in encoding are active in recall--but that needn't imply a subjective re-living, just remembering: Something long held to be true. I would imagine, from a basic point of view, that repeated re-remberings would serve to strengthen the particular memory since the cells most active during origninal encoding would be reactivated with each re-remembering and thus their associative firing would be strengthened. However, each cell in that particular memory also has to code for many others depending upon the activation pattern of the area, and given that most memories are not "intense" and not a blow-by-blow recording, therein lies the opportunity to introduce new details (false or otherwise) which become stored with the memory for subsequent recall (where else would it be stored?). Over time, then, the memory becomes modified as we blur the (usually non-important) distinction between what we were told about the event and what actually happened. I'm not sure where I read it, but the brain may have a "tag" stored with the memory indicating whether an event happened to us, or it didn't--in which case that tag would presumably be more and more mis-applied to other info (or it becomes weaker with each re-remembering because each re-remembering we know is not currently happening) if the event was a personal experience. Anybody have an idea about that? I would assume that leaves us at exactly: "More experiments?" --Mike --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Allen Esterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Allen Esterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [tips] For the Brain, Remembering Is Like Reliving - NYTimes.com To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 1:23 AM A second thought on my previous posting on "Remembering is like reliving": >Should this be "remembering of a certain kind is like reliving"? >I'm thinking of recollections of distant events that are actually >the result of remembering a whole series of rememberings over >time, and possibly (such as in the case of childhood memories) >includes material that other people have supplied in the past. >Would these be registered as "relivings" in the same way? >I have my doubts. I think there is good evidence that false memories can be experienced subjectively like reliving an event (though this may be a result of going over and over the 'event', as in psychotherapy). So where does that leave us? More experiments? Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London http://www.esterson.org --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things
Shrink is a short version of headshrinker which originated with the practices of the medicine men of Africa. Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Shrink is a short version of headshrinker which originated with the > practices of the medicine men of Africa. How Afrocentric! :-) I think you will find, Michael, that head shrinking was a practice of aboriginals of the Amazon River basin in South America, not Africans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrunken_head Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ == --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] A bit off topic
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/06/08 1:15 AM >>>wrote: I was unable to find an answer to the question of what the politically correct call a manhole cover. -- I assume it is the "manhole" part and not the "cover" that is politically incorrect. Many manufacturers of these objects now call them sewer entry covers. Bill Scott --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things
Christopher D - Original Message - From: Christopher D. Green To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shrink is a short version of headshrinker which originated with the practices of the medicine men of Africa. How Afrocentric! :-) I think you will find, Michael, that head shrinking was a practice of aboriginals of the Amazon River basin in South America, not Africans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrunken_head Chris -- Voodoo came from Africa and there was some element of head shrinking not as brutal as in the Amazon.Btw, trepiphaning was a physiological method originating in Africa,long before Karl Lashley began extirpating the brains of rats. Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things
Actually, it seems to have started in South America and may still be practiced in some areas. "The custom of taking trophy heads in battle or war is widespread among many people in the world and goes back to prehistoric times, but shrinking the head is confined to isolated places in South America. In recent times we know of only a few tribes in Ecuador, Peru, and Brazil who continue this practice. Ritual decapitation apparently has a long history in South America, dating as early as 200 BC. Many Nazca and Moche designs on pottery and textiles feature trophy heads, and the Nazca motifs in particular indicate that headshrinking might also have been practiced. This gruesome custom may well have been passed on to the Jivaro, whose territory is in the vicinity of these early civilizations." In part from: Harner, Michael. The Jivaro: People of the Sacred Waterfalls. New York, Anchor Books, 1973 Original message >Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:17:47 -0400 >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things >To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > > Shrink is a short version of headshrinker which > originated with the practices of the medicine men of > Africa. > > Michael Sylvester,PhD > Daytona Beach,Florida > > > > --- > To make changes to your subscription contact: > > Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Bob Wildblood, PhD, HSPP Lecturer in Psychology Indiana University Kokomo Kokomo, IN 46904-9003 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things
Christopher DPlease note that decapitation is not the same thing as shrinking heads. And while on this topic,did the Amazon tribes invent soccer when they started kicking the heads around? And is there a relationship between shrinking heads and talking heads? Welcome to Zombie land. Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Voodoo came from Africa and there was some element of head > shrinking not as brutal as in the Amazon.Btw, trepiphaning was a > physiological method > > originating in Africa,long before Karl Lashley began extirpating > the brains of rats. > I assume you mean trepaning (or trephining). It has been practiced all over the world, from the Americas to Africa to Asia to Australia from time immemorial. Africa has no special priority. Regards, Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ == --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] etiology of "shrink" and other things
It does if you're going in alphabetical order.
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Voodoo came from Africa and there was some element of head
shrinking not as brutal as in the Amazon.Btw, trepiphaning was a physiological
method
originating in Africa,long before Karl Lashley began extirpating the
brains of rats.
I assume you mean trepaning (or trephining). It has been practiced all over
the world, from the Americas to Africa to Asia to Australia from time
immemorial. Africa has no special priority.
Regards,
Chris
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[tips] Proactive and retroactive
Proactive and retroactive are terms used in the interference theory of forgetting.Apparently it has been pulled to explain why items at a middle of a list are difficult to be recalled because of this double whammy of proactive (primacy factors) and retroactive (recency factors) inhibition.I can understand why items at the beginning and at the end of a list are more likely to be recalled,but there must be other reasons for the difficulty uf the recall of the middle items. Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
