Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
I have no references handy, but seem to recall some work suggesting girls might benefit, but I doubt it would make any differences for the boys. I am not sure how long-lasting any benefits would be either. Shades of G.S. Hall Chris? Gary Gerald L. (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D. Professor, Psychology Saginaw Valley State University University Center, MI 48710 989-964-4491 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
Hi Chris: Leonard Sax gives some pretty compelling reasons why gender separate education works. His latest writings are: Why Gender Matters, and Boys Adrift. Gerry Palmer, North Park University, Chicago, Il. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
Gerald Peterson wrote: > > > I have no references handy, but seem to recall some work suggesting > girls might benefit, but I doubt it would make any differences for the > boys. I am not sure how long-lasting any benefits would be either. > Shades of G.S. Hall Chris? Gary My understanding is that, of later, there have been studies showing that boys benefit somewhat by curriculua that are customized to their interests, and involve more physical activities. I'm not specialist on Hall's educational theory, but he certainly viewed mental maturation as a process of gradually controlling "primitive" (as he saw them) emotions and sexual urges. This is where his adaptation of Haeckel's "recapitulationism" came in: the "civilized" child "recapitulates" and passes through the mental "stages" of all more "primitive" societies as s/he matures. (Very politically incorrect stuff by today's standards.) This was also why Hall was so fascinated by Freud. Regards, Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ "Part of respecting another person is taking the time to criticise his or her views." - Melissa Lane, in a /Guardian/ obituary for philosopher Peter Lipton = --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
Hey, I went to all girls' (Catholic) schools most of my life and look where I ended up! LOL I did not miss the boys in school; somehow most of us managed to find boys just fine outside of school. My plan for retirement is to open a rehab facility for all the catnip addicted cats that would like to be detoxed again. I have a highly addicted cat who immediately upon sniffing the dreaded weed immediately goes into a frenzy (must be a classical, anticipatory response because it can't possibly be in his system from one sniff) and within 15 minutes of his frenzy drops into a d-e-e-p sleep. So I know there are cats out there that need rehab. Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original message >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:44:23 -0500 >From: "Christopher D. Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school >To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > > Gerald Peterson wrote: > > I have no references handy, but seem to recall > some work suggesting girls might benefit, but I > doubt it would make any differences for the boys. > I am not sure how long-lasting any benefits would > be either. Shades of G.S. Hall Chris? Gary > > My understanding is that, of later, there have been > studies showing that boys benefit somewhat by > curriculua that are customized to their interests, > and involve more physical activities. > > I'm not specialist on Hall's educational theory, > but he certainly viewed mental maturation as a > process of gradually controlling "primitive" (as he > saw them) emotions and sexual urges. This is where > his adaptation of Haeckel's "recapitulationism" came > in: the "civilized" child "recapitulates" and passes > through the mental "stages" of all more "primitive" > societies as s/he matures. (Very politically > incorrect stuff by today's standards.) This was also > why Hall was so fascinated by Freud. > > Regards, > Chris > -- > > Christopher D. Green > Department of Psychology > York University > Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 > Canada > > > > 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ > > "Part of respecting another person is taking the > time to criticise his or her views." > > - Melissa Lane, in a Guardian obituary for > philosopher Peter Lipton > > = > > --- > To make changes to your subscription contact: > > Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My plan for retirement is to open a rehab facility for all the catnip addicted cats that would like to be detoxed again. You try to make 'em go to rehab, they say meow, meow, meow. (Sorry.) Robin Abrahams www.boston.com/missconduct Notices at the bottom of this e-mail do not reflect the opinions of the sender. I do not "yahoo" that I am aware of. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
Hi Everyone, Several developmental psychologists spoke on NPR's "Science Friday" in a panel discussion on topics including if classrooms should be segregated by gender. Among the panelists were Lynn Liben (outgoing editor of "Child Development" who does very interesting research connecting Piagetian stage to gender stereotyping, as well as her primary research on geography and understanding of spatial representations) and Nora Newcomb (well known for her research on spatial cognition in infancy and early childhood). Here is the link for the podcast: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5036084 There may be many consequences of segregating children and the particular way things change may depend on many intertwined circumstances. What are the particular teachers like in their classrooms now? Are teachers already conscientious about avoiding common patterns of calling on boys disproportionately and giving boys more detailed feedback (e.g., Saxon's educational psychology research)? What beliefs do the teachers have about gender and how might that influence how they teach the same course to each group? For example, will teachers stop pushing as hard in girls' math classes, or in boys' english classes, even though the actual sex differences on standardized tests is very small? Will gender become more salient to students and will that create a stereotype threat (which has a far greater effect size on standardized tests)? Will assigning teachers segregated classrooms lead to more stereotyping (e.g., my 4th period scored 3 points higher on the exam than my 5th period so maybe it's because of gender)? What is the classroom management situation of the school and teacher and what are the accepted gender norms among the students (e.g., will a quiet boy suffer in a classroom overwhelmed by rowdy boys who echo each other; will a mechanically-minded girl become less self-assured when other girls echo each others' attitudes toward science)? When we measure success, what is our comparison? Will we just care how gender- segregated classrooms differ from gender-mixed classrooms, or should we compare gender-segregation with segregation by other factors like introversion, standardized test scores, or doing homework regularly? Overall, my personal feeling is that we should not segregate based on gender. There are too many plausible reasons to expect it to cause harm either by negatively influencing children's self concepts, learning experiences, or by exacerbating gender stereotypes. I'm personally happy to see a school trying to apply developmental psychology research to do something to change a bad status quo. With so many intertwined factors, it's likely to be an incredibly big challenge that no one action can fix. I hope school administrators will draw upon an enormous body of research by developmental and educational psychologists about how to enhance students' learning (e.g., mental models, problem solving strategies, emotion regulation, task analysis like buggy subtraction, phonemic awareness, informal learning opportunities, scaffolding, inquiry learning, jig-saw classrooms, teacher attitudes, parenting styles, mass media, ...). Kevin http://www.DevPsy.org/ On Feb 18, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Christopher D. Green wrote: Here's a more interesting question than whether a one-time junior psychophysicist can produce better theories of child development than full-time senior developmental psychologists (or whether she can just make more money at it than they do). Greene Country, Georgia is about to separate boys from girls in all of its schools, primary and secondary. They apparently have a terrible track record with their education system. The promoters say there is evidence that each sex learns better when not distracted by the other (funny, that was the justification for keeping girls out of college in the 19th century). The detractors call it a reintroduction of segregation (presumably the most inflammatory term they could come up with on short notice). My questions are: (1) Do you think it will "work" (improve students' grades)? (2) Are there important reasons to object to it even if it does "work" (in this narrowly defined way)? For my own part, I expect that it will "work," at least in the short run, but more due to the Hawthorne effect than anything pedagogically substantive. Essentially, however, it is a "stunt" that serves as cover for the more significant problems/ The only way to improve education systems in the long run is to provide better schools, teachers and resources, which cost more money than most US states are willing to pay, and then wait a generation or two for the adult society surrounding the school system (which was itself educated in the "bad" system) to begin to learn to value real education (rather than just the emission of gr
Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
I knew this would be a money maker in my old age! ;) A Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original message >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:27:00 EST >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school >To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > > Good one Robin! Annette, I have three cats that are > addicts so when you open the rehab, I will > involuntary commit them! > > Albert Barman > Department of Psychology/Sociology > Union County College > 1033 Springfield Avenue > Branford, NJ 07014 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch > the video on AOL Living. > > --- > To make changes to your subscription contact: > > Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
Good one Robin! Annette, I have three cats that are addicts so when you open the rehab, I will involuntary commit them! Albert Barman Department of Psychology/Sociology Union County College 1033 Springfield Avenue Branford, NJ 07014 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] Boys & Girls at school
Okay, why not just turn on the can opener for the cats to get in? I also tell my students that Pavlov had a sign outside his door that read, "PLease do not ring the bell!" That's why he received the No-bell award. Jim Jim Matiya Florida Gulf Coast University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003 Moffett Memorial Teaching Excellence Award of the Society for the Teaching of Psychology (Division Two of the American Psychological Association) Using David Myers' texts for AP Psychology? Go to http://bcs.worthpublishers.com/cppsych/ High School Psychology and Advanced Psychology Graphic Organizers, Pacing Guides, and Daily Lesson Plans archived at www.Teaching-Point.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:27:00 -0500Subject: Re: [tips] Boys & Girls at schoolTo: tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Good one Robin! Annette, I have three cats that are addicts so when you open the rehab, I will involuntary commit them! Albert Barman Department of Psychology/Sociology Union County College 1033 Springfield Avenue Branford, NJ 07014 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.---To make changes to your subscription contact:Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
