Re:[tips] The Southern accent
On 4 April 2008 Beth Benoit wrote [snip]: I have friends from Canada who say aboot, hoose (for house). Don't know if this is relevant to Canada, but it sounds like Scottish English, as in the well know 'saying', There's a moose loose aboot the hoose That, of course, is not the big 'moose' as in North America, but the Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim'rous beastie as in the Robert Burns poem, the one that immortalised the saying The best laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley http://www.worldburnsclub.com/poems/translations/554.htm Get your Moose loose aboot the hoose beer mats here: http://www.northirish.net/mouseloose.html Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London http://www.esterson.org --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Allen Esterson wrote: On 4 April 2008 Beth Benoit wrote [snip]: I have friends from Canada who say aboot, hoose (for house). Don't know if this is relevant to Canada, but it sounds like Scottish English, as in the well know 'saying', There's a moose loose aboot the hoose Yes, Allen, it is almost certainly of Scots origin. Scots were the dominant ethnic group in English Canada for long while (just look at the names of the early Prime Ministers). But the sound is not really oo. It is subtle and hard to render phonetically. It is just a slightly tenser (to use the linguistic term) ou (or ow) than the very lax (again, to use the linguistic term) American version of the same sound (and almost all other vowel sounds). For Americans, if you set your lips like you were about to say oh and then say ow through that apature, you get about the right sound. But it is not universal across Canada. You hear it now in some parts of old rural and small town Canada (northern Ontario, parts of the Ottawa valley and back to Kingston, the farmlands of the prairies), and even in those places, it is not universal. I almost never hear it in and around Toronto, nor did I hear it much when I lived in Montreal (and it was still legal to speak English on the street) and Vancouver. It is rapidly dying out, the victim of massive immigration into Canada (42% of Toronto is now made up of visible minorities) and of imported TV and movies from the US. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ Part of respecting another person is taking the time to criticise his or her views. - Melissa Lane, in a /Guardian/ obituary for philosopher Peter Lipton = --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] The Southern accent
On 4 April 2008 Beth Benoit wrote [snip]: I have friends from Canada who say aboot, hoose (for house). (I don't know how I could have missed this.) Yes, and incredibly, there are some people in the Yoo Ess Eh who pronounce Benoit as Ben-oyt (rhymes with Hoyt). Say it ain't so, Beth. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Sorry, Stephen, but it's SO! Incredibly and sadly. And my husband speaks French very well. Our name just got Americanized. But whenever we make reservations at a French restaurant, we're sure to pronounce it the right way, so as not to offend. A-YUP. Beth On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 April 2008 Beth Benoit wrote [snip]: I have friends from Canada who say aboot, hoose (for house). (I don't know how I could have missed this.) Yes, and incredibly, there are some people in the Yoo Ess Eh who pronounce Benoit as Ben-oyt (rhymes with Hoyt). Say it ain't so, Beth. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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How funny, Chris. You must be right on. Our friends are from Kirkland Lake, Ontario. Beth Benoit On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Christopher D. Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allen Esterson wrote: On 4 April 2008 Beth Benoit wrote [snip]: I have friends from Canada who say aboot, hoose (for house). Don't know if this is relevant to Canada, but it sounds like Scottish English, as in the well know 'saying', There's a moose loose aboot the hoose Yes, Allen, it is almost certainly of Scots origin. Scots were the dominant ethnic group in English Canada for long while (just look at the names of the early Prime Ministers). But the sound is not really oo. It is subtle and hard to render phonetically. It is just a slightly tenser (to use the linguistic term) ou (or ow) than the very lax (again, to use the linguistic term) American version of the same sound (and almost all other vowel sounds). For Americans, if you set your lips like you were about to say oh and then say ow through that apature, you get about the right sound. But it is not universal across Canada. You hear it now in some parts of old rural and small town Canada (northern Ontario, parts of the Ottawa valley and back to Kingston, the farmlands of the prairies), and even in those places, it is not universal. I almost never hear it in and around Toronto, nor did I hear it much when I lived in Montreal (and it was still legal to speak English on the street) and Vancouver. It is rapidly dying out, the victim of massive immigration into Canada (42% of Toronto is now made up of visible minorities) and of imported TV and movies from the US. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ Part of respecting another person is taking the time to criticise his or her views. - Melissa Lane, in a *Guardian* obituary for philosopher Peter Lipton = --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Hi I use to spend time in Temagami just south of Kirkland Lake (about 48 degrees north) when I lived in London, southern Ontario (about 43 degrees north, actually South of Beth in Plymouth New Hampshire at 43 degrees 47 minutes north). It certainly was way up there to me then. After living in Winnipeg, Manitoba (48 degrees north) for awhile and spending some time in Thompson, Manitoba (55 degrees 45 minutes north) during my wife's internship, I'm not so sure. Now only places in Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and Alaska are way up there (60+ degrees north, although Juneau comes in at just over 58 degrees because Alaska protrudes down the coast, some might say into Canadian territory). Each degree of latitude is about 110 kilometers or about 69 miles. So Beth is about 300 miles south of Kirkland Lake, just a short car ride due north, and about as far as Beth is due north of Atlantic City. I wonder if Atlantic City appears way down there to Beth? As a number of psychology studies have demonstrated, geography is pretty relative! Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher D. Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05-Apr-08 3:01:25 PM Beth Benoit wrote: How funny, Chris. You must be right on. Our friends are from Kirkland Lake, Ontario. Now that's a-WAY up there. Nice gold mine. There is a town in North Ontario-o-oh! - Neil Young :-) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Beth Benoit wrote: How funny, Chris. You must be right on. Our friends are from Kirkland Lake, Ontario. Now that's a-WAY up there. Nice gold mine. There is a town in North Ontario-o-oh! - Neil Young :-) Chris === Helpless,helpless,helpless,helpless Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On 3 Apr 2008 at 23:01, Shearon, Tim wrote, referring to the great eh? debate: Sorry if I was both uneducated and unclear simultaneously. I should, by this time, be above letting Michael push my buttons as it were. But I found his comments to be offensive on numerous levels. Thus, speaking from anger once again leads to silliness! Tim _ Actually, I thought the whole point was just to have a silly debate (the kind I enjoy most on TIPS), and I'm dismayed to read that it's evolved into self-flagellation (is this even legal down where you are, Tim?) and anger. The same thing unfortunately appears to have happened with my innocently-posed Who's Jew item. And come to think of it, a few years back I recall receiving some rather pointed comments when I repeated a Foxworthy-type comment before I even knew who Foxworthy was. Wow! Don't mess with Southerners, eh? Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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I have friends from Canada who say aboot, hoose (for house). BUT it's a little softer and more rounded-sounding than the harshness of that oo sound. Trying to take a stab at type it more phonetically, it's more like a-buout. Dagnabit, that's not good either. Where's Henry Higgins when you need him? Or more accurately, George Bernard Shaw, who was very big on a phonetic alphabet. In an attempt to pull this into teaching psychology: I'm covering language development in children, and showed a wonderful clip from The Brain series, that shows that a baby under 11 months of age can distinguish between all language sounds, but after that, becomes a citizen of one culture and can only distinguish sounds that he/she would hear in English. I always point out that if a child comes to a new country and learns a new language, they may not have an accent, even if their parents do not speak the new language in the home. Yet after a certain age, they're more likely to have an accent when speaking the new language. I have used Henry Kissinger and his younger brother as examples, though I'm not sure that many of them are familiar with his rich German accent anymore. So my question is, what IS the actual age period when this accent/no accent period takes place? I seem to recall it was around pre-puberty, but perhaps there are too many other variables that can affect whether a child will ultimately have a lifelong accent? Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3 Apr 2008 at 21:43, Shearon, Tim wrote: Canadians do not say Eh (unless they are hard of hearing). Start with http://www.billcasselman.com/ Y'all come back now. Stephen or others may have better suggestions. :) Yes he does. And one of them is to assert, with pride, that Canadians do indeed say eh. Certainly I do, every day, and I'm not hard of hearing. And bill casselman agrees, if you'd check your own reference. He says, Eh? is a true marker of Canadian speech. What we don't say is aboot. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On 3 April, Stephen Black wrote. Yes he does. And one of them is to assert, with pride, that Canadians do indeed say eh. Certainly I do, every day, and I'm not hard of hearing. And bill casselman agrees, if you'd check your own reference. He says, Eh? is a true marker of Canadian speech. What we don't say is aboot. Stephen I agree that our Canadian brothers and sisters do not say aboot, but many say aboat. Dr. Bob Wildblood [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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My primary experience with canadians is through ice hockey. Now those guys are really hard to understand. It seems as if they *pretend* they don't really speak English at all--some North Americanized version of French only, please. So when they must speak English they mutilate the accent. ;) (note winky face) Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original message Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 22:58:56 -0600 From: Shearon, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [tips] The Southern accent To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu Stephen- My apologies. I did check, btw. So I did try to be a good scholar, honestly, I did. But being an igornant southerner I must have missed it! :) (Or I just screwed up the search). Can you enlighten me though. I thought the A at the end of sentences was alliterated differently than eh which is more like huh to my ear. But you are correct that I'd certainly defer to a Canadian about things Canadian!! Which is really to say, Sorry, Michael. I was so offended by your characterization of Southerners, of which I am one, that I erred just as badly, apparently. Mea culpa Canada! Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 4/3/2008 9:50 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] The Southern accent On 3 Apr 2008 at 21:43, Shearon, Tim wrote: Canadians do not say Eh (unless they are hard of hearing). Start with http://www.billcasselman.com/ Y'all come back now. Stephen or others may have better suggestions. :) Yes he does. And one of them is to assert, with pride, that Canadians do indeed say eh. Certainly I do, every day, and I'm not hard of hearing. And bill casselman agrees, if you'd check your own reference. He says, Eh? is a true marker of Canadian speech. What we don't say is aboot. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) TNEF22000.rtf (3k bytes) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On 4 April, Stephen Black wrote Wow! Don't mess with Southerners, eh? Stephen As I thought about the use of the tag phrase eh? by many Canadians, I thought back to the use of a similar tag phrase used in Wisconsin (at least when I was spending a fair amount of time in that state). At the end of a declarative statement, they would add and so? which essentially meant, don't you agree with me? and so? Dr. Bob Wildblood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. - Dwight D. Eisenhower The time is always right to do what is right. Martin Luther King, Jr. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin, 1775 We are what we pretend to be, so we better be careful what we pretend to be. Kurt Vonnegut --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [tips] The Southern accent-back to teaching psych
I have a slide from the Myers text that shows that the ability to perceive language differences between languages is actually gone by 11-12 months. This ability to percieve the fine nuances is strong until about only 6 months and then rapidly diminishes by 1 year of age. I have also learned this from other text books and I believe there is a segment in the Discovering Psychology series about this --none of which means it is true! I am at home today (putatively grading papers as I am looking at a tall stack even as I distract myself with email; but it's teaching related!) so I can't pull books off my shelf and will leave it to others to give a more evidence-based response. As a second academic avenue to the accent discussion, I assign Nell as an optional assignment for my students and ask them for an analysis of how different accents are connected to our perceptions of intelligence. Clearly the southern accent (HUGE APOLOGIES) is often perceived as less intelligent. I'm not saying I think that, I'm just saying..lest anyone be offended. For one thing, it is strongly promoted in films and other mass media and for another, many southerners self-efface with humor that supports this negative (and we all know, inaccurate) stereotype. Nevertheless, such is the case in the film Nell, in which the Southern accent is pronounced to illustrate the stereotype. In the film Nell, however, there is awareness by the movie makers, I believe, that they were taking advantage of this incorrect stereotype; but for most people watching the film, I wonder if that backfires? Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology University of San Diego 5998 Alcala Park San Diego, CA 92110 619-260-4006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original message Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:18:32 -0400 From: Beth Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [tips] The Southern accent To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@acsun.frostburg.edu I have friends from Canada who say aboot, hoose (for house). BUT it's a little softer and more rounded-sounding than the harshness of that oo sound. Trying to take a stab at type it more phonetically, it's more like a-buout. Dagnabit, that's not good either. Where's Henry Higgins when you need him? Or more accurately, George Bernard Shaw, who was very big on a phonetic alphabet. In an attempt to pull this into teaching psychology: I'm covering language development in children, and showed a wonderful clip from The Brain series, that shows that a baby under 11 months of age can distinguish between all language sounds, but after that, becomes a citizen of one culture and can only distinguish sounds that he/she would hear in English. I always point out that if a child comes to a new country and learns a new language, they may not have an accent, even if their parents do not speak the new language in the home. Yet after a certain age, they're more likely to have an accent when speaking the new language. I have used Henry Kissinger and his younger brother as examples, though I'm not sure that many of them are familiar with his rich German accent anymore. So my question is, what IS the actual age period when this accent/no accent period takes place? I seem to recall it was around pre-puberty, but perhaps there are too many other variables that can affect whether a child will ultimately have a lifelong accent? Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3 Apr 2008 at 21:43, Shearon, Tim wrote: Canadians do not say Eh (unless they are hard of hearing). Start with http://www.billcasselman.com/ Y'all come back now. Stephen or others may have better suggestions. :) Yes he does. And one of them is to assert, with pride, that Canadians do indeed say eh. Certainly I do, every day, and I'm not hard of hearing. And bill casselman agrees, if you'd check your own reference. He says, Eh? is a true marker of Canadian speech. What we don't say is aboot. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill
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Stephen- Sorry (or not!). :) I didn't mean to be THAT self-flagellating (that has to be some new kind of oxy-ironic record!). I guess we need a tongue in cheek emoticon cause lately when I try it doesn't come across! I've gotten so used to list-servs that include a little pop-up box that gives them for you that I've forgotten a lot of the ones I knew! Since some of us seem rightly determined to make this psychology related, does anyone know of phonetic spelling norms for those little utterances, like eh, uh, um, etc. that exist for various dialects? I always struggle with spelling those for email and Moodle postings for class (it is particularly difficult for us phonetic readers!). What with all the attempts I must make to differentiate the meanings of different sounds made following TIAs, strokes, etc. it would be helpful if someone knows where that can be found in a single source! I mentioned, as an example, that I tried to search for the end of sentence one for Canadian-speak. I tried googling (including Scholar) Eh, eH, and EH but didn't find anything related to that note, eh. :) Stephen- my point wasn't that I created any big offense (not ANOTHER aplogy!?!?) but that I did react a bit to Michael's post and didn't engage *all my frontal lobes* but stopped with the amygdala, as it were. :) I was making fun of myself or at least that was the intent. I did enjoy the down where you are. That generated a genuine huh? as my sense is always being up there since I'm so far up from where I began. TGIF!! Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 4/4/2008 5:31 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] The Southern accent On 3 Apr 2008 at 23:01, Shearon, Tim wrote, referring to the great eh? debate: Sorry if I was both uneducated and unclear simultaneously. I should, by this time, be above letting Michael push my buttons as it were. But I found his comments to be offensive on numerous levels. Thus, speaking from anger once again leads to silliness! Tim _ Actually, I thought the whole point was just to have a silly debate (the kind I enjoy most on TIPS), and I'm dismayed to read that it's evolved into self-flagellation (is this even legal down where you are, Tim?) and anger. The same thing unfortunately appears to have happened with my innocently-posed Who's Jew item. And come to think of it, a few years back I recall receiving some rather pointed comments when I repeated a Foxworthy-type comment before I even knew who Foxworthy was. Wow! Don't mess with Southerners, eh? Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])winmail.dat
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How do I access the TIPS archives? Jim Jim Matiya Florida Gulf Coast University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003 Moffett Memorial Teaching Excellence Award of the Society for the Teaching of Psychology (Division Two of the American Psychological Association) Using David Myers' texts for AP Psychology? Go to http://bcs.worthpublishers.com/cppsych/ High School Psychology and Advanced Psychology Graphic Organizers, Pacing Guides, and Daily Lesson Plans archived at www.Teaching-Point.net --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Jim- I thought I knew. Went to http://faculty.frostburg.edu/psyc/southerly/tips/ where I received a, TIPS has moved message which provided a link that went to a 404 error. Any one know the answer? Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: Jim Matiya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 4/4/2008 3:43 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] The Southern accent How do I access the TIPS archives? Jim Jim Matiya Florida Gulf Coast University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003 Moffett Memorial Teaching Excellence Award of the Society for the Teaching of Psychology (Division Two of the American Psychological Association) Using David Myers' texts for AP Psychology? Go to http://bcs.worthpublishers.com/cppsych/ High School Psychology and Advanced Psychology Graphic Organizers, Pacing Guides, and Daily Lesson Plans archived at www.Teaching-Point.net --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])winmail.dat
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At 7:28 PM -0500 4/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do find that some international students have issues with the Southern accent. Which one? -- The best argument against intelligent design is that people believe in it. * PAUL K. BRANDON [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Psychology Department507-389-6217 * * 23 Armstrong Hall Minnesota State University, Mankato * *http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~pkbrando/ * --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Micahel- You said: I find that American students are more likely to complain about accents than international students. So, why would they complain about international students? (grammar, please) I think you are being a bit judgmental and expressing a tiny bit of lack of cogitation there, pardner. Canadians do not say Eh (unless they are hard of hearing). Start with http://www.billcasselman.com/ Y'all come back now. Stephen or others may have better suggestions. :) Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 4/3/2008 6:28 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] The Southern accent Occasionally I discuss with students the impact of prof language characteristics and academic motivation.I find that American students are more likely to complain about accents than international students.I assume that international students have had greater exposure to all types of international teachers in their home countries. However I do find that some international students have issues with the Southern accent. I do find some Canadian linguistic mannerisms such as Eh,pardon and inflections which create some distractions. Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])winmail.dat
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Paul Brandon wrote: At 7:28 PM -0500 4/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do find that some international students have issues with the Southern accent. Which one? Good answer. /The best argument against intelligent design is that people believe in it. / * PAUL K. BRANDON [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Psychology Department507-389-6217 * * 23 Armstrong Hall Minnesota State University, Mankato * *http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~pkbrando/ * --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- --- Kenneth M. Steele, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Psychology http://www.psych.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, NC 28608 USA --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Occasionally I discuss with students the impact of prof language characteristics and academic motivation.I find that American students are more likely to complain about accents than international students.I assume that international students have had greater exposure to all types of international teachers in their home countries. However I do find that some international students have issues with the Southern accent. I do find some Canadian linguistic mannerisms such as Eh,pardon and inflections which create some distractions. Michael Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida Y'all talking fighting words. --- Kenneth M. Steele, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Psychology http://www.psych.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, NC 28608 USA --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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On 3 Apr 2008 at 21:43, Shearon, Tim wrote: Canadians do not say Eh (unless they are hard of hearing). Start with http://www.billcasselman.com/ Y'all come back now. Stephen or others may have better suggestions. :) Yes he does. And one of them is to assert, with pride, that Canadians do indeed say eh. Certainly I do, every day, and I'm not hard of hearing. And bill casselman agrees, if you'd check your own reference. He says, Eh? is a true marker of Canadian speech. What we don't say is aboot. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3 Apr 2008 at 21:43, Shearon, Tim wrote: Canadians do not say Eh (unless they are hard of hearing). Start with http://www.billcasselman.com/ Y'all come back now. Stephen or others may have better suggestions. :) Yes he does. And one of them is to assert, with pride, that Canadians do indeed say eh. Certainly I do, every day, and I'm not hard of hearing. And bill casselman agrees, if you'd check your own reference. He says, Eh? is a true marker of Canadian speech. Even Americans who moved to Canada long ago say eh. Beats the heck out of huh. What we don't say is aboot. Now that would be silly. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ Part of respecting another person is taking the time to criticise his or her views. - Melissa Lane, in a /Guardian/ obituary for philosopher Peter Lipton = --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: [tips] The Southern accent
Chris and Stephen- Now I feel really dumb. I thought aboot was a mis-attribution to New England. I hadn't even picked up that folks thought it WAS Canadian? (Canadian, isn't that kind of like Southern Accent which takes us back to Which one?) Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: Christopher D. Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 4/3/2008 10:27 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] The Southern accent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3 Apr 2008 at 21:43, Shearon, Tim wrote: Canadians do not say Eh (unless they are hard of hearing). Start with http://www.billcasselman.com/ Y'all come back now. Stephen or others may have better suggestions. :) Yes he does. And one of them is to assert, with pride, that Canadians do indeed say eh. Certainly I do, every day, and I'm not hard of hearing. And bill casselman agrees, if you'd check your own reference. He says, Eh? is a true marker of Canadian speech. Even Americans who moved to Canada long ago say eh. Beats the heck out of huh. What we don't say is aboot. Now that would be silly. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ Part of respecting another person is taking the time to criticise his or her views. - Melissa Lane, in a /Guardian/ obituary for philosopher Peter Lipton = --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])winmail.dat
RE: [tips] The Southern accent
Stephen- My apologies. I did check, btw. So I did try to be a good scholar, honestly, I did. But being an igornant southerner I must have missed it! :) (Or I just screwed up the search). Can you enlighten me though. I thought the A at the end of sentences was alliterated differently than eh which is more like huh to my ear. But you are correct that I'd certainly defer to a Canadian about things Canadian!! Which is really to say, Sorry, Michael. I was so offended by your characterization of Southerners, of which I am one, that I erred just as badly, apparently. Mea culpa Canada! Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor and Chair Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 4/3/2008 9:50 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] The Southern accent On 3 Apr 2008 at 21:43, Shearon, Tim wrote: Canadians do not say Eh (unless they are hard of hearing). Start with http://www.billcasselman.com/ Y'all come back now. Stephen or others may have better suggestions. :) Yes he does. And one of them is to assert, with pride, that Canadians do indeed say eh. Certainly I do, every day, and I'm not hard of hearing. And bill casselman agrees, if you'd check your own reference. He says, Eh? is a true marker of Canadian speech. What we don't say is aboot. Stephen - Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2600 College St. Sherbrooke QC J1M 1Z7 Canada Subscribe to discussion list (TIPS) for the teaching of psychology at http://flightline.highline.edu/sfrantz/tips/ --- --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])winmail.dat
