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[michael sylvester]

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Re: [tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[John Kulig]

An easy non-computerized demo is have everyone in the class put their height in 
inches or cm on a slip of paper into a hat, and then sample one by one and plot 
them on the whiteboard (sample with replacement). How you "figure" the standard 
deviation depends .. I like to have the actual values in advance, but if not, 
the "idea" of the standard deviation can be eye-balled from the plot, as well 
as the mean.

Then you can do the same thing by having someone take out 2 slips of paper at a 
time and get repeated averages of two heights, plotting the averages on a 
separate plot on the whiteboard.  Again, I like to know the means and standard 
deviations in advance so I can stack one plot above the other with the means 
and x-axis values lining up. It can be done with means of 4 or 8 too, but that 
takes more time. If done carefully, it's easy to see that roughly 2/3 (68%) of 
X fall within one SD on the X plot, and 2/3 of means lie within one SE on the 
means plot - with the usual caveat "individual results may vary".

When I do this is a stats class (different audience), I sometimes generate 
random data on MINITAB for a few different sample sizes and pop the histograms 
out of the computer, and often use sample sizes 1 to 4 to 16, as I can wing the 
standard error in my head (SE gets chopped in half every time N increases 
4-fold, so, if you use IQ scores you can jump from 15 to 7.5 to 3.75 without 
calculators or computers).

If all else fails, my moment of Zen (I do one every stat class). On this topic: 
"Standard Deviation is to X as Standard Error is to X bar".

==
John W. Kulig 
Professor of Psychology 
Plymouth State University 
Plymouth NH 03264 

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- Original Message -
From: "Stuart McKelvie" 
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2010 1:34:03 PM
Subject: RE: re:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

Dear Tipsters,

And once the idea of the standard error is understood in the context of
the mean, it can be generalized to other statistics.

Sincerely,

Stuart

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"Recti cultus pectora roborant"

Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Phone: 819 822 9600 x 2402
Department of Psychology, Fax: 819 822 9661
Bishop's University,
2600 rue College,
Sherbrooke, Québec J1M 1Z7,
Canada.

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-Original Message-
From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu]
Sent: May 6, 2010 1:28 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Mike Palij
Subject: re:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

On Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:29 AM, Annette Taylor wrote:
>I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats knowledge
>the difference between standard deviation and standard error. They
>get SD pretty well because I can talk about average deviation about
>a mean for a set of scores. SE, the more commonly accepted error
>term these days, is a bit more complicated. Anyone have an "easy"
>way to describe it to students?

As others have pointed out, you can say that the standard error is a
standard deviation but of deviations of sample means relative to the
population mean (or our best estimate of the population mean, the
mean of the sample means). The key idea is that all of the sample
means estimate the population mean but because they are based on
subsets from the population, the sample means contain sampling error.
If the samples were the same size as the population, there would be no
sampling error and the sample means would always be equal to the
population mean (standard deviation of sample means = 0).
. But as the sample size gets smaller than the population size, the
sampling error goes from zero to some measurable amount because some
values are not included in the samples used to calculate that sample
means.. In
small samples, the amount of sampling error can be quite large and the
standard deviation of the differences among sample means provides a
measure of the amount of sampling error -- thus, the standard deviation
for deviations
of sample means around the population mean is a measure of error which
we refer to as the "standard error of the mean".

It might be useful to point out that standard errors can be calculated
for most
sample statistics and one will see standard errors for statistics like
skewness and kurtosis when one uses SPSS for detailed descriptive
statistics.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu


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RE: re:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Stuart McKelvie]

Dear Tipsters,

And once the idea of the standard error is understood in the context of the 
mean, it can be generalized to other statistics. 

Sincerely,

Stuart

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   "Floreat Labore"

  
  "Recti cultus pectora roborant"
  
Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Phone: 819 822 9600 x 2402 
Department of Psychology,     Fax: 819 822 9661
Bishop's University,
2600 rue College,
Sherbrooke,
Québec J1M 1Z7,
Canada.
 
E-mail: stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (or smcke...@ubishops.ca)

Bishop's University Psychology Department Web Page: 
http://www.ubishops.ca/ccc/div/soc/psy

   Floreat Labore"

 

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-Original Message-
From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] 
Sent: May 6, 2010 1:28 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Mike Palij
Subject: re:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

On Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:29 AM, Annette Taylor wrote:
>I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats knowledge 
>the difference between standard deviation and standard error. They 
>get SD pretty well because I can talk about average deviation about 
>a mean for a set of scores.  SE, the more commonly accepted error 
>term these days, is a bit more complicated. Anyone have an "easy" 
>way to describe it to students?

As others have pointed out, you can say that the standard error is a
standard deviation but of deviations of sample means relative to the
population mean (or our best estimate of the population mean, the
mean of the sample means).  The key idea is that all of the sample 
means estimate the population mean but because they are based on 
subsets from the population, the sample means contain sampling error.  
If the samples were the same size as the population, there would be no 
sampling error and the sample means would always be equal to the 
population mean (standard deviation of sample means = 0).
.
But as the sample size gets smaller than the population size, the sampling
error goes from zero to some measurable amount because some values
are not included in the samples used to calculate that sample means..  In 
small samples, the amount of sampling error can be quite large and the 
standard deviation of the differences among sample means provides a measure
of the amount of sampling error -- thus, the standard deviation for deviations
of sample means around the population mean is a measure of error which
we refer to as the "standard error of the mean".

It might be useful to point out that standard errors can be calculated for most
sample statistics and one will see standard errors for statistics like skewness
and kurtosis when one uses SPSS for detailed descriptive statistics.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu


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re:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Mike Palij]

On Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:29 AM, Annette Taylor wrote:
>I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats knowledge 
>the difference between standard deviation and standard error. They 
>get SD pretty well because I can talk about average deviation about 
>a mean for a set of scores.  SE, the more commonly accepted error 
>term these days, is a bit more complicated. Anyone have an "easy" 
>way to describe it to students?

As others have pointed out, you can say that the standard error is a
standard deviation but of deviations of sample means relative to the
population mean (or our best estimate of the population mean, the
mean of the sample means).  The key idea is that all of the sample 
means estimate the population mean but because they are based on 
subsets from the population, the sample means contain sampling error.  
If the samples were the same size as the population, there would be no 
sampling error and the sample means would always be equal to the 
population mean (standard deviation of sample means = 0).
.
But as the sample size gets smaller than the population size, the sampling
error goes from zero to some measurable amount because some values
are not included in the samples used to calculate that sample means..  In 
small samples, the amount of sampling error can be quite large and the 
standard deviation of the differences among sample means provides a measure
of the amount of sampling error -- thus, the standard deviation for deviations
of sample means around the population mean is a measure of error which
we refer to as the "standard error of the mean".

It might be useful to point out that standard errors can be calculated for most
sample statistics and one will see standard errors for statistics like skewness
and kurtosis when one uses SPSS for detailed descriptive statistics.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu


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Re: [tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Wallen, Douglas J]

I like this demonstration. It is very flexible and the sampling process is
fairly obvious.

http://onlinestatbook.com/stat_sim/sampling_dist/index.html

Douglas Wallen
Psychology Department, AH 23
Minnesota State University, Mankato
Mankato, MN 56001

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On 5/6/10 10:29 AM, "Annette Taylor"  wrote:

> I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats knowledge the
> difference between standard deviation and standard error. They get SD pretty
> well because I can talk about average deviation about a mean for a set of
> scores.  SE, the more commonly accepted error term these days, is a bit more
> complicated. Anyone have an "easy" way to describe it to students?
> 
> Annette
> 
> Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
> Professor, Psychological Sciences
> University of San Diego
> 5998 Alcala Park
> San Diego, CA 92110
> tay...@sandiego.edu
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RE: [tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Frantz, Sue]

For illustrating sampling distribution of the means, check out this OPL 
resource:

http://opl.apa.org/TeacherTour/WiseSDMApplet.htm 


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RE:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Jim Clark]

Hi

Simulations might also help.  That is, calculate Ms for random set of samples, 
and then calculate SD for the Ms.  I use SPSS for this, but it is also possible 
to do it other ways.

Jim


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>>> Marc Carter  06-May-10 10:54:20 AM >>>

Right -- it's the same concept of deviation about the mean, but in this case 
it's deviation of means around a grand mean.

It's one conceptual level up, and I too find it hard sometimes to make clear.  
But if they understand standard deviations, then standard error maps onto that 
conceptual structure almost perfectly.  I often motivate the concept with the 
process whereby one would do it (get a sample of size N from a pop, take a mean 
and write it down, throw them back, do it again, blah blah).  Then you can talk 
about a distribution of those means, the standard deviation of which is called 
the standard error.  I tell them that if you're talking about the behavior of 
scores, you use standard deviations.  If you're talking about the behavior of 
means, you use standard errors of the mean.

Works pretty well for me...

m

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> -Original Message-
> From: Bourgeois, Dr. Martin [mailto:mbour...@fgcu.edu] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:34 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: RE:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error
>
> It's easy if they understand the concept of a sampling
> distribution of means. The standard error is the standard
> deviation of the sampling distribution of means for a given
> sample size.
>
> 
> From: Annette Taylor [tay...@sandiego.edu] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: [tips] standard deviation versus standard error
>
> I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats
> knowledge the difference between standard deviation and
> standard error. They get SD pretty well because I can talk
> about average deviation about a mean for a set of scores.
> SE, the more commonly accepted error term these days, is a
> bit more complicated. Anyone have an "easy" way to describe
> it to students?
>
> Annette
>
> Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
> Professor, Psychological Sciences
> University of San Diego
> 5998 Alcala Park
> San Diego, CA 92110
> tay...@sandiego.edu 
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RE:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Marc Carter]

Right -- it's the same concept of deviation about the mean, but in this case 
it's deviation of means around a grand mean.

It's one conceptual level up, and I too find it hard sometimes to make clear.  
But if they understand standard deviations, then standard error maps onto that 
conceptual structure almost perfectly.  I often motivate the concept with the 
process whereby one would do it (get a sample of size N from a pop, take a mean 
and write it down, throw them back, do it again, blah blah).  Then you can talk 
about a distribution of those means, the standard deviation of which is called 
the standard error.  I tell them that if you're talking about the behavior of 
scores, you use standard deviations.  If you're talking about the behavior of 
means, you use standard errors of the mean.

Works pretty well for me...

m

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Associate Professor and Chair
Department of Psychology
College of Arts & Sciences
Baker University
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> -Original Message-
> From: Bourgeois, Dr. Martin [mailto:mbour...@fgcu.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:34 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: RE:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error
>
> It's easy if they understand the concept of a sampling
> distribution of means. The standard error is the standard
> deviation of the sampling distribution of means for a given
> sample size.
>
> 
> From: Annette Taylor [tay...@sandiego.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: [tips] standard deviation versus standard error
>
> I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats
> knowledge the difference between standard deviation and
> standard error. They get SD pretty well because I can talk
> about average deviation about a mean for a set of scores.
> SE, the more commonly accepted error term these days, is a
> bit more complicated. Anyone have an "easy" way to describe
> it to students?
>
> Annette
>
> Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
> Professor, Psychological Sciences
> University of San Diego
> 5998 Alcala Park
> San Diego, CA 92110
> tay...@sandiego.edu
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RE:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Bourgeois, Dr. Martin]

Oh, I just realized that you asked how to explain it to students with little or 
no stat knowledge. That's a bit tougher; I think that students have to know 
what a sampling distribution is in order to understand se's, and I've found 
that sampling distributions are difficult for students to wrap their heads 
around witthout lots of hands-on examples. I suppose you could explain it in 
terms of the formula, and emphasize that the se is the standard deviation 
divided by the square root of the sample size. You can use that to explain that 
as variability decreases or sample size increases, the standard error gets 
smaller.


From: Annette Taylor [tay...@sandiego.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:29 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] standard deviation versus standard error

I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats knowledge the 
difference between standard deviation and standard error. They get SD pretty 
well because I can talk about average deviation about a mean for a set of 
scores.  SE, the more commonly accepted error term these days, is a bit more 
complicated. Anyone have an "easy" way to describe it to students?

Annette

Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
Professor, Psychological Sciences
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110
tay...@sandiego.edu
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RE:[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Bourgeois, Dr. Martin]

It's easy if they understand the concept of a sampling distribution of means. 
The standard error is the standard deviation of the sampling distribution of 
means for a given sample size.


From: Annette Taylor [tay...@sandiego.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:29 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] standard deviation versus standard error

I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats knowledge the 
difference between standard deviation and standard error. They get SD pretty 
well because I can talk about average deviation about a mean for a set of 
scores.  SE, the more commonly accepted error term these days, is a bit more 
complicated. Anyone have an "easy" way to describe it to students?

Annette

Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
Professor, Psychological Sciences
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110
tay...@sandiego.edu
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[tips] standard deviation versus standard error

[Annette Taylor]

I am trying to explain to students with no or minimal stats knowledge the 
difference between standard deviation and standard error. They get SD pretty 
well because I can talk about average deviation about a mean for a set of 
scores.  SE, the more commonly accepted error term these days, is a bit more 
complicated. Anyone have an "easy" way to describe it to students?

Annette

Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
Professor, Psychological Sciences
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110
tay...@sandiego.edu
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[tips] Call for nominations, p...@cc committee

[Penley, Julie]

Dear Colleagues,

APA's Committee of Psychology Teachers at Community Colleges (p...@cc) is 
seeking nominations for two (3-year) committee member positions beginning 
January 1, 2011. The committee is part of APA's Board of Educational Affairs 
(BEA) and works to promote excellence in the teaching of psychology and address 
the needs of psychology teachers at community colleges. The call for 
nominations is on the p...@cc website.  The deadline for nominations is June 1, 
2010. 
(http://www.apa.org/ed/precollege/undergrad/ptacc/call-for-nominations.aspx).

Self-nominations are welcomed. If you have any questions, please contact me or 
another p...@cc committee member:

Wynn Call, PhD; Mesa Community College 
(wynn.c...@mail.maricopa.edu)
Sue Frantz, MA; Highline Community College 
(sfra...@highline.edu)
Sol Fulero, JD, PhD; Sinclair Community College 
(solomon.ful...@sinclair.edu)
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(lmcmaste...@comcast.net)
Larry Venuk, MS; Naugatuck Valley Community College 
(lve...@nvcc.commmet.edu)
Martha Boenau, APA liaison (mboen...@apa.org)

Thank you for considering a nomination, and for sharing this information with 
interested colleagues.

Julie


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[tips] "special toys" for chimps?

[Beth Benoit]

For a good laugh, here's a delightful article by John Tierney in the Science
section of Tuesday's New York Times.  (We get it by mail, so it's always a
couple of days late.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/science/04tier.html?ref=science

Beth Benoit
Granite State College
Plymouth State University
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RE: [tips] Unusual Authors (was Cloned authors)

[Lilienfeld, Scott O]

A good friend of mine (at the University of Tulsa) is Allan R. Harkness.  In 
graduate school, he published a few papers with Hal R. Arkes (now at Ohio 
State).  I'm also good friends with a psychologist named Hal Arkowitz (at the 
University of Arizona).  So I've long joked about getting the three of them to 
publish a paper together.  ...Scott


Scott O. Lilienfeld, Ph.D.
Professor
Editor, Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice
Department of Psychology, Room 473 Psychology and Interdisciplinary Sciences 
(PAIS)
Emory University
36 Eagle Row
Atlanta, Georgia 30322
slil...@emory.edu
(404) 727-1125

Psychology Today Blog: 
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist

50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology:
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-140513111X.html

Scientific American Mind: Facts and Fictions in Mental Health Column:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/

The Master in the Art of Living makes little distinction between his work and 
his play,
his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education and his 
recreation,
his love and his intellectual passions.  He hardly knows which is which.
He simply pursues his vision of excellence in whatever he does,
leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing.
To him - he is always doing both.

- Zen Buddhist text
  (slightly modified)



From: Christopher D. Green [mailto:chri...@yorku.ca]
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:45 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Unusual Authors (was Cloned authors)




When I was a graduate student at U. Toronto, there was a professor named Colin 
M. MacLeod (now at U. Waterloo) who was a specialist on the Stroop Effect. He 
said  that there was an Australian professor, also named Colin M. MacLeod, who 
was also a specialist on the Stroop Effect. "My" MacLeod went on to suggest 
that the two of them should write a paper together, adding a footnote to the 
effect that the order of the authors' names should not be taken to indicate any 
authorial priority. I don't know if they ever did it.

Chris
--

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada



416-736-2100 ex. 66164
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==

Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote:

One of the most cited papers in personality and social psychology is:



 Bem and Allen (1974, Psychological Review: "On predicting some of the 
people some of the time), authored by social psychologist Daryl Bem (my 
undergraduate advisor, as it so happens) and his then student Andrea Allen.



 Oddly, there is also a social psychologist named "Bem Allen," who until 
fairly recently (I believe) was a faculty member at Western Illinois University:



http://allen.socialpsychology.org/







Scott O. Lilienfeld, Ph.D.

Professor

Editor, Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice

Department of Psychology, Room 473 Psychology and Interdisciplinary Sciences 
(PAIS)

Emory University

36 Eagle Row

Atlanta, Georgia 30322

slil...@emory.edu

(404) 727-1125



Psychology Today Blog: 
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist



50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology:

http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-140513111X.html



Scientific American Mind: Facts and Fictions in Mental Health Column:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/



The Master in the Art of Living makes little distinction between his work and 
his play,

his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education and his 
recreation,

his love and his intellectual passions.  He hardly knows which is which.

He simply pursues his vision of excellence in whatever he does,

leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing.

To him - he is always doing both.



- Zen Buddhist text

  (slightly modified)









-Original Message-

From: Wallen, Douglas J [mailto:douglas.wal...@mnsu.edu]

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:40 AM

To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)

Subject: [tips] Unusual Authors (was Cloned authors)



This is a bit off the original post, but I was reminded of Stephen Hawking's 
reference in "A Short History of Time" to a paper on the origins of the 
universe by the physicist George Gamow and his student, Ralph Alpher. Gamow 
persuaded Hans Bethe, the nuclear physicist to add his name to the paper so the 
list of authors would read "Alpher, Bethe, Gamow".



I leave it as an exercise for the reader to produce interesting combinations of 
psychologists.



Douglas Wallen

Psychology AH 23

Minnesota State University, Mankato

Mankato, MN 56001

(507) 389-5818



From: William Scott [wsc...@wooster.edu]

Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:03 PM

To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)

Subject: Re: [tips] Cloned authors



My father who was an 

Re: [tips] Unusual Authors (was Cloned authors)

[Christopher D. Green]

When I was a graduate student at U. Toronto, there was a professor named 
Colin M. MacLeod (now at U. Waterloo) who was a specialist on the Stroop 
Effect. He said  that there was an Australian professor, also named 
Colin M. MacLeod, who was also a specialist on the Stroop Effect. "My" 
MacLeod went on to suggest that the two of them should write a paper 
together, adding a footnote to the effect that the order of the authors' 
names should not be taken to indicate any authorial priority. I don't 
know if they ever did it.

Chris
-- 

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada

 

416-736-2100 ex. 66164
chri...@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/christo/

==


Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote:
> One of the most cited papers in personality and social psychology is:
>
>  Bem and Allen (1974, Psychological Review: "On predicting some of the 
> people some of the time), authored by social psychologist Daryl Bem (my 
> undergraduate advisor, as it so happens) and his then student Andrea Allen.
>
>  Oddly, there is also a social psychologist named "Bem Allen," who until 
> fairly recently (I believe) was a faculty member at Western Illinois 
> University:
>
> http://allen.socialpsychology.org/
>
>
>
> Scott O. Lilienfeld, Ph.D.
> Professor
> Editor, Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice
> Department of Psychology, Room 473 Psychology and Interdisciplinary Sciences 
> (PAIS)
> Emory University
> 36 Eagle Row
> Atlanta, Georgia 30322
> slil...@emory.edu
> (404) 727-1125
>
> Psychology Today Blog: 
> http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist
>
> 50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology:
> http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-140513111X.html
>
> Scientific American Mind: Facts and Fictions in Mental Health Column:
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/
>
> The Master in the Art of Living makes little distinction between his work and 
> his play,
> his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education and his 
> recreation,
> his love and his intellectual passions.  He hardly knows which is which.
> He simply pursues his vision of excellence in whatever he does,
> leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing.
> To him - he is always doing both.
>
> - Zen Buddhist text
>   (slightly modified)
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wallen, Douglas J [mailto:douglas.wal...@mnsu.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:40 AM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: [tips] Unusual Authors (was Cloned authors)
>
> This is a bit off the original post, but I was reminded of Stephen Hawking's 
> reference in "A Short History of Time" to a paper on the origins of the 
> universe by the physicist George Gamow and his student, Ralph Alpher. Gamow 
> persuaded Hans Bethe, the nuclear physicist to add his name to the paper so 
> the list of authors would read "Alpher, Bethe, Gamow".
>
> I leave it as an exercise for the reader to produce interesting combinations 
> of psychologists.
>
> Douglas Wallen
> Psychology AH 23
> Minnesota State University, Mankato
> Mankato, MN 56001
> (507) 389-5818
> 
> From: William Scott [wsc...@wooster.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: Re: [tips] Cloned authors
>
> My father who was an attorney found someone with exactly the same name who 
> was a district attorney in Denver, but they never wrote a paper together. My 
> wife found out that there was someone with exactly the same name as hers in 
> town who was a bad person (fraud and missed rent payments) that led to our 
> being delivered with summons for a couple of years. So, even though we had a 
> recent thread of names that matched with research interests, I'm disinclined 
> to believe that the names led them into a research collaboration. Weird 
> coincidence that should have been avoided by one of them choosing to be known 
> as junior or esquire.
>
> Bill Scott
>
>   
  05/05/10 5:54 PM >>>
 
> http://tinyurl.com/Alan-W-Harris
>
> The dubya stands for William.
>
> Now see http://tinyurl.com/Alan-and-Alan for elucidation.
>
> Stephen
> 
> Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.
> Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
> Bishop's University
> e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
> 2600 College St.
> Sherbrooke QC  J1M 1Z7
> Canada
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[tips] Accidental redirecting of Freud's birthday message

[Jim Clark]

Hi

Somehow my forwarding of David's TIPs posting to our internal psychology 
distribution list (see psychlist in To: field) ended up back on TIPs ... not 
clear to me why.  The allusion to our Chair is there because he teaches several 
courses on Freud to our Honours students.

Take care
Jim


James M. Clark
Professor of Psychology
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[tips] Freud's birthday today

[David Hogberg]

This thumbnail was in today's "The writer's almanac," Garrison Keillor

It's the birthday of *Sigmund
Freud
*, (books by this
author)
born Sigismund Schlomo Freud in the town of Příbor, in what is now the Czech
Republic (1856). His parents were Jewish, and his father was a wool
merchant; they didn't have much money, but they wanted the best for their
intelligent son. He went to medical school at the University of Vienna, and
worked with Josef Breuer, who made a breakthrough discovery when he
hypnotized a young woman who had been diagnosed with what was then called
hysteria. When she was hypnotized, the woman talked freely, and she herself
named it "the talking cure." Freud adopted the talking cure and eventually
realized that this sort of talking could happen even without hypnosis.
Whether hypnotized or not, patients would discuss whatever was going through
their minds, and he would analyze their words and decide what was causing
their issues, usually past experiences. Freud was particularly interested in
dreams, childhood trauma, and sexual experiences as ways to understand the
patient's unconscious motives and desires. Once it was refined, Freud's
method of practice came to be known as psychoanalysis, and he ushered in a
new era in psychology. And his books, with their heavy emphasis on sex, were
very popular.

These days, Freud has gone out of fashion, at least in the scientific and
psychology communities. Freud considered himself a scientist. He said, "The
poets and philosophers before me discovered the unconscious; what I
discovered was the scientific method by which the unconscious can be
studied." Freud's conclusions were always controversial, but by the mid-20th
century, the idea that his work was actually science was becoming
controversial as well. He did not, in fact, use the scientific method, in
the sense that the claims of psychoanalysis can't be disproved — they aren't
falsifiable.

Today, there are only about 20,000 Americans in Freudian-style
psychoanalysis, just over 1 percent of people in therapy.

But whether or not he is taken seriously in psychology and scientific
communities in the way he intended, there is no doubt that Freud's cultural
influence is huge. Most people will never read his books, but they know
about penis envy, the Oedipus complex, phallic symbols, the id and superego,
and the famous "Freudian slip." And most people accept the basic idea that
our minds are capable of repressing traumatic experiences or feelings, and
that there is benefit in talking about them. We encourage people who have
undergone traumatic experiences to discuss them, even if they have to get at
painful feelings or facts that they have hidden from themselves — that is
such a normal idea that it doesn't seem Freudian anymore. Many people
casually acknowledge that the way they were parented effects their own
patterns of behavior later in life — again, not going down the extreme road
of Freud's Oedipus complexes, but the basic idea comes from him.

And everyone seems to have an opinion about Freud, including some famous
writers:

John Irving said: "Sigmund Freud was a novelist with a scientific
background. He just didn't know he was a novelist. All those damn
psychiatrists after him, they didn't know he was a novelist either."

W.H. Auden wrote a long poem called "In Memory of Sigmund Freud," which
maybe best captures how deeply Freud and his ideas have permeated culture.
He wrote:

If some traces of the autocratic pose,

the paternal strictness he distrusted, still

clung to his utterance and features,

it was a protective coloration



for one who'd lived among enemies so long:

if often he was wrong and, at times, absurd,

to us he is no more a person

now but a whole climate of opinion



under whom we conduct our different lives:

Like weather he can only hinder or help.

-- 
David K. Hogberg, PhD
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
Department of Psychological Science
Albion College
Albion MI 49224

Tel: 517/629-4834, Mobile: 517/262-1277

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RE:[tips] Unusual Authors (was Cloned authors)

[Lilienfeld, Scott O]

One of the most cited papers in personality and social psychology is:

 Bem and Allen (1974, Psychological Review: "On predicting some of the 
people some of the time), authored by social psychologist Daryl Bem (my 
undergraduate advisor, as it so happens) and his then student Andrea Allen.

 Oddly, there is also a social psychologist named "Bem Allen," who until 
fairly recently (I believe) was a faculty member at Western Illinois University:

http://allen.socialpsychology.org/



Scott O. Lilienfeld, Ph.D.
Professor
Editor, Scientific Review of Mental Health Practice
Department of Psychology, Room 473 Psychology and Interdisciplinary Sciences 
(PAIS)
Emory University
36 Eagle Row
Atlanta, Georgia 30322
slil...@emory.edu
(404) 727-1125

Psychology Today Blog: 
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptical-psychologist

50 Great Myths of Popular Psychology:
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-140513111X.html

Scientific American Mind: Facts and Fictions in Mental Health Column:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/sciammind/

The Master in the Art of Living makes little distinction between his work and 
his play,
his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education and his 
recreation,
his love and his intellectual passions.  He hardly knows which is which.
He simply pursues his vision of excellence in whatever he does,
leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing.
To him - he is always doing both.

- Zen Buddhist text
  (slightly modified)




-Original Message-
From: Wallen, Douglas J [mailto:douglas.wal...@mnsu.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:40 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: [tips] Unusual Authors (was Cloned authors)

This is a bit off the original post, but I was reminded of Stephen Hawking's 
reference in "A Short History of Time" to a paper on the origins of the 
universe by the physicist George Gamow and his student, Ralph Alpher. Gamow 
persuaded Hans Bethe, the nuclear physicist to add his name to the paper so the 
list of authors would read "Alpher, Bethe, Gamow".

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to produce interesting combinations of 
psychologists.

Douglas Wallen
Psychology AH 23
Minnesota State University, Mankato
Mankato, MN 56001
(507) 389-5818

From: William Scott [wsc...@wooster.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:03 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Cloned authors

My father who was an attorney found someone with exactly the same name who was 
a district attorney in Denver, but they never wrote a paper together. My wife 
found out that there was someone with exactly the same name as hers in town who 
was a bad person (fraud and missed rent payments) that led to our being 
delivered with summons for a couple of years. So, even though we had a recent 
thread of names that matched with research interests, I'm disinclined to 
believe that the names led them into a research collaboration. Weird 
coincidence that should have been avoided by one of them choosing to be known 
as junior or esquire.

Bill Scott

>>>  05/05/10 5:54 PM >>>
http://tinyurl.com/Alan-W-Harris

The dubya stands for William.

Now see http://tinyurl.com/Alan-and-Alan for elucidation.

Stephen

Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
Bishop's University
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
2600 College St.
Sherbrooke QC  J1M 1Z7
Canada
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[tips] Unusual Authors (was Cloned authors)

[Wallen, Douglas J]

This is a bit off the original post, but I was reminded of Stephen Hawking's 
reference in "A Short History of Time" to a paper on the origins of the 
universe by the physicist George Gamow and his student, Ralph Alpher. Gamow 
persuaded Hans Bethe, the nuclear physicist to add his name to the paper so the 
list of authors would read "Alpher, Bethe, Gamow".

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to produce interesting combinations of 
psychologists.

Douglas Wallen
Psychology AH 23
Minnesota State University, Mankato
Mankato, MN 56001
(507) 389-5818

From: William Scott [wsc...@wooster.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:03 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Cloned authors

My father who was an attorney found someone with exactly the same name who was 
a district attorney in Denver, but they never wrote a paper together. My wife 
found out that there was someone with exactly the same name as hers in town who 
was a bad person (fraud and missed rent payments) that led to our being 
delivered with summons for a couple of years. So, even though we had a recent 
thread of names that matched with research interests, I'm disinclined to 
believe that the names led them into a research collaboration. Weird 
coincidence that should have been avoided by one of them choosing to be known 
as junior or esquire.

Bill Scott

>>>  05/05/10 5:54 PM >>>
http://tinyurl.com/Alan-W-Harris

The dubya stands for William.

Now see http://tinyurl.com/Alan-and-Alan for elucidation.

Stephen

Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus
Bishop's University
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
2600 College St.
Sherbrooke QC  J1M 1Z7
Canada
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Re: [tips] News: Applying the Liberal Arts - Inside Higher Ed

[Michael Smith]

I vote for downgrading since the liberal arts part will be subordinate
and in service to the applied part.

--Mike

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[tips] News: Applying the Liberal Arts - Inside Higher Ed

[Christopher D. Green]

Does this count as a "revival" of the liberal arts? Or a "downgrading" 
of them?
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/05/06/applied

Chris
-- 

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada

 

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