Re:[tips] Why don't we hear more about such things?
Stephen Black wrote on the 33 rescued miners: Four psychics the government had hired to help find them said, Forget it, they're all dead. Stephen rightly mocks the psychics, but he could have gone on to give credit for the survival of the all the miners where it ultimately belongs: :-) Regardless of how it happened, the miners--and many faithful viewers--are thanking God for their survival. 'I was with God and I was with the Devil, they fought me, but God won. He took me by my best hand, the hand of God and I held on to him I never thought for one minute that God wouldn't get me out of there,' said Mario Sepulveda when he emerged from the mine this morning. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7027154-chilean-miners-families-thank-god-for-rescue-prayers-for-miracle Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London allenester...@compuserve.com http://www.esterson.org --- From: sbl...@ubishops.ca Subject:Why don't we hear more about such things? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:40:17 -0400 The chief engineer at the mine in Chile where 33 miners were just rescued, describing how hopeless the situation seemed at first: [He] remembers the early, gloomy days of the search, when initial drilling failed to find any trace of the men. Four psychics the government had hired to help find them said, Forget it, they're all dead. http://tinyurl.com/2a3te78 Stephen --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5796 or send a blank email to leave-5796-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why don't we hear more about such things?
I think most of us try to stay away from the science vs. religion thing, but I might as well jump in... The explanation of 'God saved them always seems to come up whenever anything miraculous occurs after a tragedy and it has always bothered me because of course, one could always wonder why God didn't save other people who died or why God allowed the terrible event to occur in the first place. I heard the God saved them argument so many times in the Catholic church that it was one of the reasons I became an Episcopalian. Our minister/priest (whatever they call him) this past Sunday decided to discuss the God saved them argument during his sermon and he said this kind of thinking makes for a brittle kind of religiousness because the opposite argument (why did God allow this to happen) makes just as much sense. His opinion was that he didn't know why the tragedy happened or whether God was involved at all. Religion, he said, is a journey and we do not have all the answers. That's a definition of religion I can live with. Michael Michael Britt mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:04 AM, Allen Esterson wrote: Stephen Black wrote on the 33 rescued miners: Four psychics the government had hired to help find them said, Forget it, they're all dead. Regardless of how it happened, the miners--and many faithful viewers--are thanking God for their survival. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5797 or send a blank email to leave-5797-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why don't we hear more about such things?
Great quote Allen. Thanks. Michael Michael Britt mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Allen Esterson wrote: It is a good question whether the Wittgensteinian account [previously discussed] chimes very well with the self-understanding of believers, and whether it matters if it does not. It has consequences for one problem that troubles Dawkins, which is the extent to which even atheists seem drawn to ‘respect’ the attitudes and beliefs of religious people. Why should anyone ‘respect’ the belief that there is a china teapot orbiting the sun? It is just dotty, and there is an end of it. But if we see a religious tradition as a record of a culture’s ongoing attempts to cope with fear and hope, life and death, gain and loss, then it becomes a candidate for respect, just as much as the other poetry and songs of our ancestors. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5800 or send a blank email to leave-5800-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why don't we hear more about such things?
Allen, I was so entranced by the quote you posted that I went to the original article you posted (http://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/~swb24/reviews/Dawkins.htm). Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting it. I'm printing it up to save. Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5801 or send a blank email to leave-5801-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why don't we hear more about such things?
On 10/19/2010 8:22 AM, Michael Britt wrote: Religion, he said, is a journey and we do not have all the answers. That's funny. I thought science was a journey and we didn't have all the answers. :-) Chris Green York U Toronto --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5803 or send a blank email to leave-5803-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Why don't we hear more about such things?
On 10/19/2010 8:22 AM, Michael Britt wrote: Religion, he said, is a journey and we do not have all the answers. On 10/19/2010 11:06 AM Chris Green wrote: That's funny. I thought science was a journey and we didn't have all the answers. :-) That's funny. I thought that life was a journey and we do not have all the answers. . Robert W. Wildblood, PhD Adjunct Psychology Faculty Germanna Community College drb...@rcn.com --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5804 or send a blank email to leave-5804-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Fundamental attribution error/Cuban Americans
Cuban-Americans seem to be always reminding us that they and their parents escape Cuba with nothing on their backs,had to work very hard,took menial jobs,sacrificed alot in order to achieve the comfortable economic,political,educational, and community status. Although the same may hold for other immigrant groups,what the Cuban-Americans like Ricky Sanchez,Soledad O'Brien,Miguel Roig,Marco Rubio and others fail to tell us that when they and their parents escaped Cuba,the U.S government gave them all types of assistance from housing, financial help,and immigrant status within two to three years.As a matter of fact,a program called Pedro Pan,which brought thousands of young people on airlifts to Miami,placed those kids in orphanages,homes throughout the U.S, and in various schools (mostly Catholic) where they got good education and a chance at upward mobility. In some sense,Cubans fleeing Castro's Cuba,were the recipients of all types of assistance unprecedented in immigration history. Cuban Americans were also helped politically because of anti-Castro sentiment and found strong political allies with the Republican party.They never forgave the withdrawal of support for the Bay of Pigs by JFK and the democrats. Although immigrant enterpreneurs gett support from their associated groups,the Cubans gave support to virtually all businesses owned and operated by Cubans.Their strategic acculturation was successful because they could not return to Cuba so they had to learn good English.In contrast to other latino groups such as Colombians and Mexicans,Cuban-Americans had to asimmilate. quickly in this U.S culture,Colombians do not lose ties with Joe Arroyo and Shakira.Cuban-Anericans may be more into Rock music and not much into Celia Cruz.(I personally feel that the Cubans have the best of latin music especially the charanga). Cubans may also gain from the affinity variable-they look more European than other mestizos cultures of the Americas except for Argentina,Uruguay, and Chile. Last but not least,the fundamental attribution error,can be viewed in those Cubans who can play the race card.I call this the mulatto escape hatch. Simply this means that a Cuban of mixed heritage can exploit both the latin and African aspects of the heritage to some advantage. My famous example of this is Soledad O' Brian. She has received many awards as both a black and a latin.The truth seems to be that in the Americas mixed heritage people emphasize more their European roots and downplay their indigenous and African roots.Soledad plays a good and economic profitable game. Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5805 or send a blank email to leave-5805-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Crisis of the Humanities II - NYTimes.com
More by Stanley Fish on the impending death of the humanities. If you find it too long, be sure to read to the last three paragraphs before giving up. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/crisis-of-the-humanities-ii/?hp Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ == --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5807 or send a blank email to leave-5807-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Crisis of the Humanities II - NYTimes.com
I think universities have largely undermined the humanities (and social sciences) by the growth of professional schools that become isolated academic units, usurping content from other departments. How many philosophy departments would be strengthened by business students having to take an ethics course from philosophy rather than internally (where they probably learn that ethics is good business rather than why ethical behavior might be a good in itself)? Or a history course taught by an historian? Or psychology courses taught by psychology departments? I would not be surprised if basic sciences do not eventually (or already) feel a similar pinch from the emergence of applied science departments. Chemical engineering becomes valued, but not chemistry ... Take care Jim As a mobile disc jockey,I learnt that it is always best to play what people want to hear.I used to think that it would be nice to turn them on to jazz but it did not work.They wanted to hear David Allan Coe,Skynyrd,and AC/DC. The humanities and social sciences could possibly be history.Let me suggest that you read Thomas Kuhn The structure of scientific revolutions where he talks about the necessity to adapt to the changing zeitgeist. The times they are a changing. Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=5810 or send a blank email to leave-5810-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
