Re:[tips] Who's on first?

2010-10-27 Thread Jim Clark
Hi
 
Before Mike leads us off into a pseudo-scientific Freudian explanation, how 
about the more mundane hypothesis that most people in the west probably 
associate termites with home structures, rather than mounds of dirt, with which 
we normally associate ants?  Actually it might be a fun exercise to present 
such scenarios to students when talking about Freud, to see what sort of 
explanations they can generate.
 
Take care
Jim
 
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 Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu 27-Oct-10 6:42 AM 
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:50:01 -0700, Allen Esterson wrote:
On 26 October Michael Sylvester wrote:
I saw a program on Jane Goodall where she saw chimps use
sticks to fetch ants from an ant hill. She was fascinated by their
tool utilization and alerted the scientific community who initially
remained skeptical.

I've been an avid follower of Jane Goodall's work since I read 
*In the Shadow of Man* in 1971, and I don't recall that the scientific 
community as a whole initially remained sceptical of her observations 
about the use of small branches shorn of their leaves to entice ants 
out of nests so they could eat them. Nor do I recall anything like this 
being said in the recent BBC biographical documentary on Goodall
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00v9j22 

I'm sure there's probably a psychoanalytic explanation for people's
fixation on chimpanzees eating ants but the fact of the matter is that
Goddall observed the chimpanzees eating TERMITES.  Don't
take my word for it, consider the Jane Goodall Institute of Canada
as a source, eh?
http://www.janegoodall.ca/about-chimp-behaviour-tool-use.php 

-Mike Palij
New York University
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[tips] E.O Wilson ants/Goodall's termites

2010-10-27 Thread michael sylvester
Now that we are arguing  about ants and termites,
I am curious  whether sociobiologist Wilson was studying ants or termites in 
Panama.
Btw,any indication that since British and American expressions and nomemclature 
vary,termites and ants could mean the same.

Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida
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Re:[tips] Who's on first?

2010-10-27 Thread Pollak, Edward
1) Chimps are apes. They are NOT monkeys
2) They were eating termites (more closely related to cockroaches than to ants)
3) The young female Japanese macaque who invented potato washing also invented 
a technique for separating wheat from sand. She was something of a monkey 
genius.
4) The NOVA program, Ape Genius, opens with a clip of a population of 
chimpanzees  who have developed the tradition of playing in small pools of 
water.

On a related note, there are recent documented reports of bonobos using spears 
to catch and kill bush babies. They make the spears and use them to kill bush 
babies hiding in hollow trees.

And as long as we're talking about animal behavior and unusual diets, see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQOQdBLHrLk. If this hot link doesn't work, try 
copy/pasting bit into your browser.

Ed




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Re: [tips] E.O Wilson ants/Goodall's termites

2010-10-27 Thread Allen Esterson
Michael Sylvester asks:
 I am curious whether sociobiologist Wilson was studying
ants or termites in Panama.

There is no entry for termites in the index of E. O. Wilson's 
autobiography *Naturalist*.

Allen E.
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[tips] E.O Wilson ants/Goodall's termites
michael sylvester
Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:09:56 -0700
Now that we are arguing  about ants and termites,
I am curious  whether sociobiologist Wilson was studying ants or 
termites in
Panama.
Btw,any indication that since British and American expressions and 
nomemclature
vary,termites and ants could mean the same.

Michael omnicentric Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida


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