[tips] Affluenza

2014-01-17 Thread Michael Britt
Looks like our field is going to take another beating by the press over this 
affluenza business.  The case certainly touches sensitive cultural nerves: 
anger about how the rich can get away with murder, anger whenever inequality is 
found.  Unfortunately, we also see a theme we've all heard before: that 
psychologists help criminals get off their sentences by blaming their past.  On 
the other hand, I am seeing in press reports that affluenza is not a term 
found in the DSM, but still...Also, if it psychology's fault that a judge 
made the decision not to jail him?  And who exactly is Dr. G. Dick Miller?  

 
Michael A. Britt, Ph.D.
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Re:[tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread Mike Palij

On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:39:53 -0600 (CST), Joan Warmbold wrote:
Carol--consider contacting the Skinner foundation via his daughter, 
Julie

Vargas at opera...@bfskinner.org.  Folks who knew Skinner have told me
that he had a wonderful sense of humor so bet he would have had an
opinion.

Certainly ones life experiences and reference systems play an 
important
role, which could explain why ones culture and the time era so 
influence
perception of humor. For example, many of students think Family Guy 
is a

riot whereas I think it's plain stupid. Whatever, love your question.


A point I tried to make in an earlier post which seem to have
have overlooked/ignored is that defining humor from a behaviorist
perspective focuses is on behavior.  Clearly, some
humor is physical humor (the silent films of Charlie Chaplin,
Buster Keaton, Harold Loyd, and so on clearly give examples
of this) while some humor is based on language (e.g., jokes,
puns, etc.) and situations (e.g., sketches). When we get to
aspects of humor that involve interpretation of words or situations,
purely behavioral (or radical behaviorist) accounts *should be silent*
because these positions do not work in these areas.  I can imagine
Tolman speculating about humor as a scientific subject but I cannot
imagine Skinner doing so in any meaningful way (this does not mean
he might not have re-framed humor into behaviorist terms but this,
like his account of language, would probably not work very well).
This does not mean that Skinner was a Scrooge or humorless, rather,
because Skinner did not believe in the study of cognitive and 
neuroscience

processes, he would not be interested these components of humor.
By implication, students of Skinner and believers in radical behaviorism
would hold similar views.

Freudian interpretations (no matter how much one disagrees with them
and I do tend to disagree with them) it should be noted that in the 
arts,

Freud is a major influence while Skinner is a minor influence (the onely
instance I can think of Skinnerian influence is in Young Frankenstein
when Dr. Frankenstein gives the Monster a reinforcer for doing a dance
routine correctly).provide a better framework for thinking about
certain aspects of humor.  Consider:  why is the following funny:

Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.

And updated version of this statement that focuses on alleged intrusive
nature of male-oriented sex is and the weapon-like nature of male sex
organs::

Sometime a penis is only a penis.

The humor in these statements involves (a) a certain set of concepts,
(b) an understanding of certain theories about people and events,
and (c) some knowledge of Freudian theory.  How would a
behavioral account explain why these statements are funny.

Finally, I know that the word humor was originally left vague which,
in my opinion, is generally a bad idea -- better to be more specific 
about

what aspects of humor one is concerned with given the wide variety
of events that can be considered humorous from slapstick to satire.
A behavioral account might be relevant to certain situations but are
unlikely in others (e.g., how would a behaviorist explain satire?).

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu


Carol DeVolder wrote:

Thanks, Mike and Paul (Paul responded back channel as he had already
squandered his posts yesterday :) )
Mike, I have read many of the things you mentioned and I'm familiar 
with
Darwin's take on it, as well as the changes through the centuries 
*vis a

vis *the various philosophers. I have not found anything specifically
behaviorist that addresses my question, except for the link that Paul 
sent
me, which I enjoyed very much (thanks again, Paul). I find it 
interesting
that, given the amount of time we spend engaging in things that make 
us

laugh, invoke a feeling of mirth, or both, there isn't more from a
behaviorist perspective. I don't believe that behaviorists are grim 
by
nature (I consider myself a behaviorist, and I don't think I'm grim), 
but

I
haven't found much literature that addresses humor and its associated
constructs from a behaviorist perspective. It just seems like 
something's
missing, and I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something of 
which I
should be aware. I'm definitely not as well-read as some TIPSters, so 
I

turn to you all for ideas.
Thanks,
Carol

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu wrote:


On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:40:38 -0800, Carol DeVolder wrote:
What sources should I look at to find a behaviorist view of 
laughter,

mirth, and humor? I realize I'm being vague--that's on purpose. :)

A few points to consider:

(1) If you have not examined the Stanford Encyclopedia of 
Philosophy's

entry on humor, I suggest that you do since it gives an interesting
overview
of the philosophical/religious opinions concerning the nature of 
humor
and whether engaging in humor should be considered socially 
acceptable.

See:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/humor/
The early negative 

[tips] A Real Southern Belle

2014-01-17 Thread Mike Palij
With all this talk about women taking on new roles and
challenges, it is important to remember the forerunners who 
helped pave the way for today's women.  Here is an
NY Times obituary on one such woman:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/17/sports/mae-young-an-unladylike-lady-wrestler-dies-at-90.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20140117_r=0

Gone but not forgotten.  Additional information is available here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mae_Young
NOTE: as the Wiki entry points out Ms. Young had a face turn
when she became a Christian evangelist in 1991 but later returned
to her heel roots which provides hope for evangelists everywhere. ;-)

-Mike Palij
New York University
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RE: Re:[tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread William Scott


From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:36 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Cc: Michael Palij
Subject: Re:[tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

... A behavioral account might be relevant to certain situations but are
unlikely in others (e.g., how would a behaviorist explain satire?).

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu
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LOL


Bill Scott

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Re: [tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread Paul Brandon
Reread my Catania quote on multiple determination of (verbal) behavior.
On Jan 17, 2014, at 9:08 AM, William Scott wrote:

 
 
 From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu
 Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:36 AM
 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
 Cc: Michael Palij
 Subject: Re:[tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner
 
 ... A behavioral account might be relevant to certain situations but are
 unlikely in others (e.g., how would a behaviorist explain satire?).

Paul Brandon
Emeritus Professor of Psychology
Minnesota State University, Mankato
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Re: [tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread Gerald Peterson
It appeared fine here. Enjoyed the reference too...and the picture.

 
G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
Psychology@SVSU


 On Jan 17, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. 
 jeff.ric...@scottsdalecc.edu wrote: 
 
 
 I'm going to try this again because it seems that my email consisted of a 
 bunch of mish-mosh. The joke already is ruined. I just want to see if the 
 same thing happens again.
 
 Jeff
 
 
 Hi again,
 
 I just finished reading one of the papers referred to in this thread (Epstein 
  Joker, 2007), in which the authors quoted Skinner's opening remarks at a 
 1962 debate between Rogers and Skinner:
 
 I was just reminded of a story that I once heard about Carl Rogers, and I 
 will tell it now in hope to confirm or have him deny it Carl Rogers was 
 never much of a duck hunter, but he was persuaded upon one occasion to go 
 duck hunting. He and some friends went into a blind and sat through a dreary 
 cold early dawn, and no ducks arrived until the very end of the time when 
 shooting was possible. Finally, one lone duck came in, and his friends 
 allowed him to shoot, and he did. At the same time, along the shore a few 
 hundred yards away, another man shot at the same duck. The duck fell, plop. 
 Dr. Rogers got out of the blind and started toward the duck. The other man 
 got out of his blind and started toward the same duck. They arrived at the 
 same moment. Dr. Rogers turned to him and said, ‘‘You feel that this is your 
 duck.’’ [Much laughter] The reason that I was reminded of that story was 
 that the end of it is that Dr. Rogers brought the duck home. [Much laughter] 
 (pp. 49-50)
 
 Quite an amusing anecdote, I think. Not so amusing was what happened just 
 moments after Skinner finished his story, when Rogers beat the crap out of 
 Skinner (see picture):
 
 fight.png
 
 REFERENCE
 Epstein, R.,  Joker, V. R. (2007). A threshold theory of the humor response. 
 The Behavior Analyst, 30, 49-58.
 
 -- 
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[tips] While we are on the topic of Mish-Mosh

2014-01-17 Thread Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D.

On Jan 17, 2014, at 8:52 AM, Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. wrote:

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 I'm going to try this again because it seems that my email consisted of a b=
 unch of mish-mosh. The joke already is ruined. I just want to see if the s=
 ame thing happens again.

OK, it did happen again. I noticed something similar in a post that Scott 
Lilienfeld sent the other day. With my last post of the day, let me ask: does 
anyone know why this happened?

Bet,
Jeff


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Re: [tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread Jeffry Ricker, PhD

On Jan 17, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Gerald Peterson wrote:

 It appeared fine here. Enjoyed the reference too...and the picture.

Thanks. Perhaps it's a problem with our email system. I'll check into it.

Best,
Jeff

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Re: [tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread Paul Brandon
From a behavioral viewpoint verbal behavior IS behavior and obeys the same 
basic laws.
The -situations- in which it occurs are unique, leading to unique analyses 
(there are journals filled with these).

And it's an oversimplification to say that
 Skinner did not believe in the study of cognitive and neuroscience 
processes
He talking much about private events, and was interested in their study 
(remember, he started out with biological leanings).
He considered them part of a different science that was interesting in its own 
right; he chose to let other people study them.
He also did not think that at his time it was productive to look for the causes 
of specific behaviors (control and prediction, remember) in physiological 
processes.  He did say that eventually the fields would converge and useful 
physiological explanations would become available.  We're certainly closer to 
that than we were 50 years ago, although one might question whether applied 
cognitive science is currently as effective in dealing with real world problems 
(as opposed to existential angst) as behavior science is.

Again, your examples of humor are very similar the my quote from Charles 
Catania about humor.

Finally, have you actually read 'Verbal Behavior'?
Any issues of the journal Analysis of Verbal Behavior?

In what sense does Skinner's account of language not work very well?
By what criteria?  Are we back to Chomsky (he clearly did not read 'Verbal 
Behavior' before criticizing it; he just 'knew' it couldn't be right because he 
disagreed with it's basic assumption that language was an acquired behavior.

Finally, as far as the arts are concerned, I'm not sure this is an important 
criterion for the validity of a science.
Certainly psychodynamic psychology is far richer in metaphor (this reliance on 
metaphor might be a scientific weakness) than behavioral psychology, making it 
a better lode for the arts.
On the other hand, the concept of the reinforcement of behavior (more 
generally, selection by consequences) may have become so embedded in our 
language that it's effects are not as obvious as Freudian slips (another 
example of humor through the incongruity of multiple determination).  It seems 
to be the the liberal arts are the ONLY area where classic psychodynamics (as 
opposed to psychoceramics) are still common.


On Jan 17, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Mike Palij wrote:

 On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:39:53 -0600 (CST), Joan Warmbold wrote:
 Carol--consider contacting the Skinner foundation via his daughter, Julie
 Vargas at opera...@bfskinner.org.  Folks who knew Skinner have told me
 that he had a wonderful sense of humor so bet he would have had an
 opinion.
 
 Certainly ones life experiences and reference systems play an important
 role, which could explain why ones culture and the time era so influence
 perception of humor. For example, many of students think Family Guy is a
 riot whereas I think it's plain stupid. Whatever, love your question.
 
 A point I tried to make in an earlier post which seem to have
 have overlooked/ignored is that defining humor from a behaviorist
 perspective focuses is on behavior.  Clearly, some
 humor is physical humor (the silent films of Charlie Chaplin,
 Buster Keaton, Harold Loyd, and so on clearly give examples
 of this) while some humor is based on language (e.g., jokes,
 puns, etc.) and situations (e.g., sketches). When we get to
 aspects of humor that involve interpretation of words or situations,
 purely behavioral (or radical behaviorist) accounts *should be silent*
 because these positions do not work in these areas.  I can imagine
 Tolman speculating about humor as a scientific subject but I cannot
 imagine Skinner doing so in any meaningful way (this does not mean
 he might not have re-framed humor into behaviorist terms but this,
 like his account of language, would probably not work very well).
 This does not mean that Skinner was a Scrooge or humorless, rather,
 because Skinner did not believe in the study of cognitive and neuroscience
 processes, he would not be interested these components of humor.
 By implication, students of Skinner and believers in radical behaviorism
 would hold similar views.
 
 Freudian interpretations (no matter how much one disagrees with them
 and I do tend to disagree with them) it should be noted that in the arts,
 Freud is a major influence while Skinner is a minor influence (the onely
 instance I can think of Skinnerian influence is in Young Frankenstein
 when Dr. Frankenstein gives the Monster a reinforcer for doing a dance
 routine correctly).provide a better framework for thinking about
 certain aspects of humor.  Consider:  why is the following funny:
 
 Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.
 
 And updated version of this statement that focuses on alleged intrusive
 nature of male-oriented sex is and the weapon-like nature of male sex
 organs::
 
 Sometime a penis is only a penis.
 
 The humor in these statements involves (a) a certain 

RE: Re:[tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread rfro...@jbu.edu
-Original Message-
From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] 

A behavioral account might be relevant to certain situations but are unlikely 
in others (e.g., how would a behaviorist explain satire?).

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu

--

I think, without discussing Skinner's specific take on it, a behaviorist would 
study language, humor and satire in terms of the overt behavior produced and 
the consequence it has. Using the framework of operant conditioning, a behavior 
(either a bodily action or a verbalization) is produced in a particular 
situation and it has a consequence. That consequence may act to reinforce the 
behavior marked by an increase in the behavior in the future in similar 
circumstances or to punish the behavior marked by a decrease in that behavior 
in the future in those circumstances. Of course, many behaviors also occur 
without consequence in certain situations and such behaviors are also less 
likely to occur in the future.

This operant explanation of verbal behavior is easily seen in the behavior of 
infants and young children in which case many verbalizations are obviously 
shaped by their consequences to occur again or (if they are unsuccessful) not 
to recur. It becomes more complicated as we get older but I have occasionally 
asked my students to see their daily verbal behavior through a behavioral lens. 
It isn't something you can keep up for long without becoming very 
self-conscious about every word you say but what I suggest is that they examine 
their utterances and the utterances of others throughout the day from a 
behavioral framework. What consequence maintains these verbalizations? It is 
easy in cases like please pass the salt but it becomes almost painfully 
self-revelatory when you get to what you say to friends. The use of humor also 
often has predictable consequences, given particular environmental situations, 
which will clearly have an effect on the use of humor in these situations in 
the future. Analyzing the use of humor in this way can be especially 
dispiriting but is sometimes quite revealing (although, in some cases, 
ignorance is bliss).

If you want to avoid painful self-realizations, you may also want to refrain 
from thinking too deeply about what reinforces posts to TIPS.

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman, Chair
Division of Humanities and Social Sciences 
Professor of Psychology 
Box 3519
John Brown University 
2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR  72761 
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Re: [tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread Ken Steele


A followup to Rick's comments.

Skinner once described the following situation. (I am blanking on the 
source.) He had made an off-the-cuff joke which produced a strong 
reaction in his audience.  He describes going back to his office and 
trying to remember the words and intonation he used so he could 
reproduce the effect at some future occasion.


You can see similar effects if you look at early and late career 
routines by comics such as George Carlin and Bob Newhart.


Ken



Kenneth M. Steele, Ph. D.steel...@appstate.edu
Professor
Department of Psychology http://www.psych.appstate.edu
Appalachian State University
Boone, NC 28608
USA



On 1/17/2014 11:17 AM, rfro...@jbu.edu wrote:

-Original Message- From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu]

A behavioral account might be relevant to certain situations but are
unlikely in others (e.g., how would a behaviorist explain satire?).

-Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu

--

I think, without discussing Skinner's specific take on it, a
behaviorist would study language, humor and satire in terms of the
overt behavior produced and the consequence it has. Using the
framework of operant conditioning, a behavior (either a bodily action
or a verbalization) is produced in a particular situation and it has
a consequence. That consequence may act to reinforce the behavior
marked by an increase in the behavior in the future in similar
circumstances or to punish the behavior marked by a decrease in that
behavior in the future in those circumstances. Of course, many
behaviors also occur without consequence in certain situations and
such behaviors are also less likely to occur in the future.

This operant explanation of verbal behavior is easily seen in the
behavior of infants and young children in which case many
verbalizations are obviously shaped by their consequences to occur
again or (if they are unsuccessful) not to recur. It becomes more
complicated as we get older but I have occasionally asked my students
to see their daily verbal behavior through a behavioral lens. It
isn't something you can keep up for long without becoming very
self-conscious about every word you say but what I suggest is that
they examine their utterances and the utterances of others throughout
the day from a behavioral framework. What consequence maintains these
verbalizations? It is easy in cases like please pass the salt but
it becomes almost painfully self-revelatory when you get to what you
say to friends. The use of humor also often has predictable
consequences, given particular environmental situations, which will
clearly have an effect on the use of humor in these situations in the
future. Analyzing the use of humor in this way can be especially
dispiriting but is sometimes quite revealing (although, in some
cases, ignorance is bliss).

If you want to avoid painful self-realizations, you may also want to
refrain from thinking too deeply about what reinforces posts to
TIPS.

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences
Professor of Psychology Box 3519 John Brown University 2000 W.
University Siloam Springs, AR  72761 rfro...@jbu.edu (479) 524-7295
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Re: [tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread Paul Brandon
And remember the 'Two Freds' (Skinner and Keller) presentations at ABA 
(Association for Behavior Analysis) meetings!

On Jan 17, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Ken Steele wrote:

 
 A followup to Rick's comments.
 
 Skinner once described the following situation. (I am blanking on the 
 source.) He had made an off-the-cuff joke which produced a strong reaction in 
 his audience.  He describes going back to his office and trying to remember 
 the words and intonation he used so he could reproduce the effect at some 
 future occasion.
 
 You can see similar effects if you look at early and late career routines by 
 comics such as George Carlin and Bob Newhart.
 
 Ken
 
 
 
 Kenneth M. Steele, Ph. D.steel...@appstate.edu
 Professor
 Department of Psychology http://www.psych.appstate.edu
 Appalachian State University
 Boone, NC 28608
 USA
 
 
 
 On 1/17/2014 11:17 AM, rfro...@jbu.edu wrote:
 -Original Message- From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu]
 
 A behavioral account might be relevant to certain situations but are
 unlikely in others (e.g., how would a behaviorist explain satire?).
 
 -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu
 
 --
 
 I think, without discussing Skinner's specific take on it, a
 behaviorist would study language, humor and satire in terms of the
 overt behavior produced and the consequence it has. Using the
 framework of operant conditioning, a behavior (either a bodily action
 or a verbalization) is produced in a particular situation and it has
 a consequence. That consequence may act to reinforce the behavior
 marked by an increase in the behavior in the future in similar
 circumstances or to punish the behavior marked by a decrease in that
 behavior in the future in those circumstances. Of course, many
 behaviors also occur without consequence in certain situations and
 such behaviors are also less likely to occur in the future.
 
 This operant explanation of verbal behavior is easily seen in the
 behavior of infants and young children in which case many
 verbalizations are obviously shaped by their consequences to occur
 again or (if they are unsuccessful) not to recur. It becomes more
 complicated as we get older but I have occasionally asked my students
 to see their daily verbal behavior through a behavioral lens. It
 isn't something you can keep up for long without becoming very
 self-conscious about every word you say but what I suggest is that
 they examine their utterances and the utterances of others throughout
 the day from a behavioral framework. What consequence maintains these
 verbalizations? It is easy in cases like please pass the salt but
 it becomes almost painfully self-revelatory when you get to what you
 say to friends. The use of humor also often has predictable
 consequences, given particular environmental situations, which will
 clearly have an effect on the use of humor in these situations in the
 future. Analyzing the use of humor in this way can be especially
 dispiriting but is sometimes quite revealing (although, in some
 cases, ignorance is bliss).
 
 If you want to avoid painful self-realizations, you may also want to
 refrain from thinking too deeply about what reinforces posts to
 TIPS.
 
 Rick

Paul Brandon
Emeritus Professor of Psychology
Minnesota State University, Mankato
pkbra...@hickorytech.net




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Re: [tips] While we are on the topic of Skinner

2014-01-17 Thread Mike Palij
Paul,

You've written two posts and I'll try to answer your points.
I will snip some of your statements below in order to save
space and make the text more readable.  I will number my
points in order to make them easier to refer to in subsequent
posts.  Consider the following points:

(1) I don't have a copy of Catania's text (any edition) but a
search of the contents on books.google.com using Catania's
full name and jokes, humor, satire, and irony turn up
only one hit:  a blog entry on the Rachel Madow MSNBC
website:
https://www.google.com/search?num=100safe=offtbm=bksq=%22a.+charles+catania%22+jokes++humor+satire+ironyoq=%22a.+charles+catania%22+jokes++humor+satire+ironygs_l=serp.12...16926.17456.0.21578.2.2.0.0.0.0.60.115.2.2.00...1c.1.32.serp..2.0.0.76cLK1yrux0
 
No, it's not a behavior analysis of humor/jokes/satire/irony/whatever.
If you know a specific example of where Catania provides a behavioral
account of these concepts, especially irony (what is the behavioral
process that causes one to ignore the literal meaning of a sentence
and assume that the opposite meaning is being communicated; how
does one discriminate when to make a literal reading or an opposite
reading?).

(2) Yes, I did read Skinner's Verbal Behavior or at least parts of
it when I was an undergraduate close to 40 years ago.  I have not
had reason to go back to read it.  This does not mean that I agree
with Chomsky (I don't) but I do find trying to understand language
and world knowledge in terms of rule and symbol cognitive architectures
and connectionist architectures and hybrid systems more satisfying.
Of course, language occurs in an environmental or sociocultural contexts
but contemporary sociolinguistcs provide, IMO, better explanatory
accounts and frameworks than Skinner's approach.  

More below.

On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:10:07 -0800, Paul Brandon wrote:
From a behavioral viewpoint verbal behavior IS behavior and obeys the same 
basic laws.
The -situations- in which it occurs are unique, leading to unique analyses 
(there are journals filled with these).

(3) I actually don't understand what you are saying here.  I have no 
doubt that there are journal that take a behavioral approach to certain 
aspects of language use, I just don't think a radical behaviorist approach 
is very informative. I think that most cognitive psychologists would
consider themselves methodological behaviorists, connecting models
of internal processing to external behavior, but I think that today they
would view such a term a quaint or out of date.  Sociolinguists who
study how speech varies as a function of familial relationship (one speaks
differently to one's grandmother than to one's sibling), job status (one
speaks to one's boss differently than to one friends), gender/sex (one
speaks to members of one's sex differently than to members of the
opposite sex), race (one speaks to members one's race differently
than to members of other races), and so on, all without the kind of
behavioral conceptions that I think a behaviorist would use.

And it's an oversimplification to say that
 Skinner did not believe in the study of cognitive and neuroscience 
processes
He talking much about private events, and was interested in their study 
(remember, he started out with biological leanings).
He considered them part of a different science that was interesting in its own 
right; he chose to let other people study them.
[snip]

(4) I quote from Skinner (1990) speech which was delivered at APA 
the day before he died.  It was published in the American Psychologist:

|Cognitive psychology was left as the scientific companion of a profession 
|and as the scientific underpinning of educational, clinical, developmental, 
|social, and many other fields of psychology. The help it has given them 
|has not been conspicuous. A version of the vernacular refined for the 
|study of mental life is scarcely more helpful than the lay version, especially 
|when theory began to replace introspection. 

I break the quote to note that I interpret Skinner to be saying that cognitive
psychology as he understood it  was little better than the everyday descriptions
of folk psychology.  This does not sound like a ringing endorsement of research
in cognitive psychology.  The quote continues:

|Much more useful would have been behavior analysis. It would have 
|helped in two ways, by clarifying the contingencies of reinforcement to 
|which the vernacular alludes, and by making it possible to design better 
|environments-personal environments that would solve existing problems 
|and larger environments or cultures in which there would be fewer problems. 
|A better understanding of variation and selection will mean a more successful 
|profession, but whether behavior analysis will be called psychology is a 
|matter for the future to decide. (page 1210)

This is a curious statement because there is nothing in cognitive psychology
that precludes the type of analysis the Skinner 

[tips] Skinner and humor

2014-01-17 Thread Carol DeVolder
Thank you all for your wonderful responses. I know Mike curmudgeonly
insisted that being vague was a bad idea, but I disagree. The very
vagueness of my question allowed for many very rich responses. In reality,
the word humor wasn't as vague as the question, which also included
laughter and mirth, both of which ended up being discussed. Laughter is
most certainly a behavior and may or may not be associated with mirth or
humor; mirth is the emotional state, and may not be suitable for a
behaviorist interpretation. Humor tends to imply a stimulus, but isn't
always used that way. In short, there are many facets to the topic and you
all have provided me with some wonderful responses. Thanks again for a good
discussion and great suggestions. Oh, and Mike I was kidding about
curmudgeonly.
Carol

-- 
Carol DeVolder, Ph.D.
Professor of Psychology
St. Ambrose University
518 West Locust Street
Davenport, Iowa  52803
563-333-6482

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[tips] When science isn’t science-based: In class with Dr. John Ioannidis - Science-ish - Macleans.ca

2014-01-17 Thread Christopher Green
It's about medicine, but the connection to psychology is obvious. 
http://www2.macleans.ca/2014/01/17/when-science-isnt-science-based-in-class-with-dr-john-ioannidis/

Teaser: Last week at the Harvard School of Public Health, Dr. John Ioannidis – 
a Stanford professor and Science-ish hero – told a room filled with Harvard 
doctors (and one journalist) that they can’t trust most of the research 
findings science has to offer. 'In science, we are very eager to make big 
stories, big claims,' he opened his lecture, with a mischievous grin. 'The 
question is: are those claims accurate?' According to Ioannidis, the answer – 
at least most of the time – is an unequivocal ‘no.’

Chris
...
Christopher D Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M6C 1G4

chri...@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/christo
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