[tips] Snake And Centipede Replay Scene from Alien

2014-04-18 Thread Mike Palij
A research letter in the journal Ecologica Montenegrina has been
picked up by the popular media because it represents an unusual
situation:  a snake ate a centipede which, once swallowed, proceeded
to eat its way out of the snake.

Here are some popular media accounts:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10774628/Snake-eats-centipede-that-fought-back.html
and
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2607435/Preying-stay-alive-Centipede-tries-eat-way-sanctuary-snakes-stomach.html

The research letter can be accessed here:
http://ecol-mne.com/
And the PDF for the letter can be downloaded here:
http://ecol-mne.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Arsovski-et-al.pdf

Nice pix and the title of the letter has an Orwellian reference
(from Animal Farm).

-Mike Palij
New York University
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[tips] Are Psychopaths' Brains Different From Nonpsychopaths?

2014-04-18 Thread Mike Palij
The website for Wired has an interesting interview with the researcher
Kent Kiehl who has studied psychopaths for 20 years; the interview
is here:
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/psychopath-brains-kiehl/ 

The interview is partly a shill for Kiehl's new book The Psychopath
Whisperer which is geared for the general public (i.e., it is a
money book, that is, a book a scientist writes not for a limited
scientific or academic audience but to appeal to a broad audience
and is expect to make a fair amount of money -- most popular
science books are money books though not all of them make a
lot of money).  Anyway, Kiehl has his own mobile MRI scanner
(there is a picture of him next to trailer that contains the scanner)
so he's not doing too badly.

When asked how psychopaths' brain differ from normal brains
he says the following:

|WIRED: What is known at this point about what's different 
|about their brains?
|
|Kiehl: We've found that psychopaths have 5 to 10 percent 
|reduced gray matter density in and around the limbic regions 
|[a network deep in the brain that's important for emotional 
|processing]. We've also found - and a group in Germany 
|has published a similar finding - that the tissue that connects 
|the limbic system to the frontal lobes is disrupted. There have 
|also been lots of studies published showing reduced responsivity 
|in those circuits during emotional processing and moral decision 
|making.

An interesting question that arises from this research is that a
number of psychopaths also engage in serious crimes, such
as serial killing and worse (anyone who has read about what
Ted Bundy did before and after he killed his female victims
will know what I'm talking about) and whether psychopaths
should be held responsible for such crimes if they have a
brain abnormality.  This becomes a critical issue in murder
trials and Kiehl was apparently the first to use fMRI evidence
for the defense of a man who had raped and killed a 10 year old
girl (this was during the sentencing phase because the defendant 
had pleaded guilty and he was already spending time in jail for
other murders he had committed).  The prosecutors wanted 
the death penalty while the defense wanted life in prison.
Some details about this trial and the jury's decision can be read
here:
http://news.sciencemag.org/2009/11/fmri-evidence-used-murder-sentencing

The question that arises here is if psychopathy is shown to
be associated with specific brain abnormalities should this condition
be treated as insanity (i.e., being unable to tell the difference
between right and wrong and not being able to appreciate the
consequences of one's actions)?  But here is the more important
point: even if such a brain abnormality does exist which judgment
is more just:

(1) life in prison: to keep the person out of open society and hope
that prison controls will prevent the psychopath from killing someone
within prison or outside of prison by proxy (Kiehl talks about how
an imprisoned psychopath that he interviewed thought that he snitched
on him and through his network got someone on the outside to try
hurt or kill him).

or

(2) death penalty: if the brain abnormality is not modifiable by
various treatments and the psychopath remains a danger to others
even while in prison, isn't the best way to minimize future risk
is by executing the person?

A number of factors (scientific, moral, legal, etc.) enter into this
consideration but from a scientific perspective I think that one
consideration is the degree to which one really believes in neural
plasticity and how modifiable brain structures are if they have
been implicated in conditions like psychopathy.  If a psychopath
turns serial killer and engages in such activity for a long period
of time (e.g., Ted Bundy), is there any chance that he can be
changed from desiring to kill and do the terrible things he did to
not wanting to engages in those behaviors again?  The so-called
Ludovico technique in the book and movie A Clockwork
Orange is a fictional example of such a treatment but is any
treatment really possible?  If effective treatments for psychopathy
can be developed, does it make more sense for putting them
in prison for life for crimes like murder?  If no effective treatments
can be found, does it make more sense to execute them?

Or should one be skeptical of neuroscientists peddling their
research results and opinions in courts and just not seriously
consider them?

-Mike Palij
New York University
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Re: [tips] Are Psychopaths' Brains Different From Nonpsychopaths?

2014-04-18 Thread Paul Brandon
if psychopathy is shown to be associated with specific brain 
abnormalities

Cause or effect?
Until causality is proven I'd be wary of any sort of legal action.

On Apr 18, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Mike Palij wrote:

 The website for Wired has an interesting interview with the researcher
 Kent Kiehl who has studied psychopaths for 20 years; the interview
 is here:
 http://www.wired.com/2014/04/psychopath-brains-kiehl/ 
 
 The interview is partly a shill for Kiehl's new book The Psychopath
 Whisperer which is geared for the general public (i.e., it is a
 money book, that is, a book a scientist writes not for a limited
 scientific or academic audience but to appeal to a broad audience
 and is expect to make a fair amount of money -- most popular
 science books are money books though not all of them make a
 lot of money).  Anyway, Kiehl has his own mobile MRI scanner
 (there is a picture of him next to trailer that contains the scanner)
 so he's not doing too badly.
 
 When asked how psychopaths' brain differ from normal brains
 he says the following:
 
 |WIRED: What is known at this point about what’s different
 |about their brains?
 |
 |Kiehl: We’ve found that psychopaths have 5 to 10 percent
 |reduced gray matter density in and around the limbic regions
 |[a network deep in the brain that's important for emotional
 |processing]. We’ve also found — and a group in Germany
 |has published a similar finding — that the tissue that connects
 |the limbic system to the frontal lobes is disrupted. There have
 |also been lots of studies published showing reduced responsivity
 |in those circuits during emotional processing and moral decision
 |making.
  
 An interesting question that arises from this research is that a
 number of psychopaths also engage in serious crimes, such
 as serial killing and worse (anyone who has read about what
 Ted Bundy did before and after he killed his female victims
 will know what I'm talking about) and whether psychopaths
 should be held responsible for such crimes if they have a
 brain abnormality.  This becomes a critical issue in murder
 trials and Kiehl was apparently the first to use fMRI evidence
 for the defense of a man who had raped and killed a 10 year old
 girl (this was during the sentencing phase because the defendant
 had pleaded guilty and he was already spending time in jail for
 other murders he had committed).  The prosecutors wanted 
 the death penalty while the defense wanted life in prison.
 Some details about this trial and the jury's decision can be read
 here:
 http://news.sciencemag.org/2009/11/fmri-evidence-used-murder-sentencing
  
 The question that arises here is if psychopathy is shown to
 be associated with specific brain abnormalities should this condition
 be treated as insanity (i.e., being unable to tell the difference
 between right and wrong and not being able to appreciate the
 consequences of one's actions)?  But here is the more important
 point: even if such a brain abnormality does exist which judgment
 is more just:
  
 (1) life in prison: to keep the person out of open society and hope
 that prison controls will prevent the psychopath from killing someone
 within prison or outside of prison by proxy (Kiehl talks about how
 an imprisoned psychopath that he interviewed thought that he snitched
 on him and through his network got someone on the outside to try
 hurt or kill him).
  
 or
  
 (2) death penalty: if the brain abnormality is not modifiable by
 various treatments and the psychopath remains a danger to others
 even while in prison, isn't the best way to minimize future risk
 is by executing the person?
  
 A number of factors (scientific, moral, legal, etc.) enter into this
 consideration but from a scientific perspective I think that one
 consideration is the degree to which one really believes in neural
 plasticity and how modifiable brain structures are if they have
 been implicated in conditions like psychopathy.  If a psychopath
 turns serial killer and engages in such activity for a long period
 of time (e.g., Ted Bundy), is there any chance that he can be
 changed from desiring to kill and do the terrible things he did to
 not wanting to engages in those behaviors again?  The so-called
 Ludovico technique in the book and movie A Clockwork
 Orange is a fictional example of such a treatment but is any
 treatment really possible?  If effective treatments for psychopathy
 can be developed, does it make more sense for putting them
 in prison for life for crimes like murder?  If no effective treatments
 can be found, does it make more sense to execute them?
  
 Or should one be skeptical of neuroscientists peddling their
 research results and opinions in courts and just not seriously
 consider them?

Paul Brandon
Emeritus Professor of Psychology
Minnesota State University, Mankato
pkbra...@hickorytech.net




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Re: [tips] Are Psychopaths' Brains Different From Nonpsychopaths?

2014-04-18 Thread Mike Palij

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:34:10 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote:

if psychopathy is shown to be associated with specific brain
abnormalities
Cause or effect?


Well, that is one of the flies in the ointment.  The invited inference
is that the brain abnormality causes the observed behavior.
But, as Sir Ronald Fisher showed with his argument for the
tobacco companies, an association does not dictate direction
and a clever person can concoct a story for the neglected
inference (in Sir Ronald's case smoking was engaged in because
a person was predisposed toward cancer and smoking eased
the condition -- how credible you think this is may depend upon
how much stock one owns in tobacco companies).  So,
is it possible that engaging in certain acts (e.g., killing small
animals while a child, hurting people for fun and profit, and
exercising ultimate control over a person and their body, etc.)
leads to certain changes in the brain (the remarkable plasticity
of the brain!) which are maintained as long as the activities
are maintained and there are no other activities that alter
this part of the brain.

Then again, perhaps the brain abnormality came first but
engaging in certain activities feeds back to alter or reinforce
the brain abnormality -- reciprocal interaction.

Or maybe the brain abnormality and behavior have some other
variable(s) affecting them which is not measured (i.e., the
third variable problem in correlation).

Or maybe something that we have not thought of yet.


Until causality is proven I'd be wary of any sort of legal action.


However, Kiehl and his counterpart in the court case I mention
below are involved in the legal system and will continue to be.
What is the proper attitude to have, especially if you are a juror
in a murder case?  Having served in that role, I admit to having
been troubled the experience (NOTE: this occurred when NY
did not have a death penalty; the defendant initially pleaded
guilty but his attorney got him to plead not guilty by reason of
insanity).  Partly, this is due to what I learned during the trial,
but perhaps more so after the trial when I and other jurors
learned about the other murders the defendant had been
convicted of.

There is no escaping it (unless, of course, one never does
jury duty and never reads about court cases).

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu



On Apr 18, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Mike Palij wrote:


The website for Wired has an interesting interview with the researcher
Kent Kiehl who has studied psychopaths for 20 years; the interview
is here:
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/psychopath-brains-kiehl/

The interview is partly a shill for Kiehl's new book The Psychopath
Whisperer which is geared for the general public (i.e., it is a
money book, that is, a book a scientist writes not for a limited
scientific or academic audience but to appeal to a broad audience
and is expect to make a fair amount of money -- most popular
science books are money books though not all of them make a
lot of money).  Anyway, Kiehl has his own mobile MRI scanner
(there is a picture of him next to trailer that contains the scanner)
so he's not doing too badly.

When asked how psychopaths' brain differ from normal brains
he says the following:

|WIRED: What is known at this point about what's different
|about their brains?
|
|Kiehl: We've found that psychopaths have 5 to 10 percent
|reduced gray matter density in and around the limbic regions
|[a network deep in the brain that's important for emotional
|processing]. We've also found - and a group in Germany
|has published a similar finding - that the tissue that connects
|the limbic system to the frontal lobes is disrupted. There have
|also been lots of studies published showing reduced responsivity
|in those circuits during emotional processing and moral decision
|making.

An interesting question that arises from this research is that a
number of psychopaths also engage in serious crimes, such
as serial killing and worse (anyone who has read about what
Ted Bundy did before and after he killed his female victims
will know what I'm talking about) and whether psychopaths
should be held responsible for such crimes if they have a
brain abnormality.  This becomes a critical issue in murder
trials and Kiehl was apparently the first to use fMRI evidence
for the defense of a man who had raped and killed a 10 year old
girl (this was during the sentencing phase because the defendant
had pleaded guilty and he was already spending time in jail for
other murders he had committed).  The prosecutors wanted
the death penalty while the defense wanted life in prison.
Some details about this trial and the jury's decision can be read
here:
http://news.sciencemag.org/2009/11/fmri-evidence-used-murder-sentencing

The question that arises here is if psychopathy is shown to
be associated with specific brain abnormalities should this 
condition

be treated as insanity (i.e., being unable to tell the difference
between right and wrong and not 

[tips] Psychology of Crucifixion

2014-04-18 Thread michael sylvester
Did the Romans ever consider crucifixion as cruel and unusual punishment?
Btw,Francis of Assisi,Teresa of Avila,John of the Cross-all saints of the 
Catholic
and Padre Pio are all alleged to be stigmatists who experienced Christ's 
crucifiixion
wounds intermittently.
How do skeptics like the late Isaac Asimov or even James Randi read those
supernatural phenomena?
I am aware that the Vatican subjected the Shroud of Turin to scientific 
investigations.

michael
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Re: [tips] Are Psychopaths' Brains Different From Nonpsychopaths?

2014-04-18 Thread don allen
Hi Mike-

I worked as a prison psychologist for ten years and I met (and diagnosed) a 
large number of psychopaths. Based on this experience I can tell you that 
psychopaths are no more dangerous to prison staff than are other inmates. As a 
graduate student I worked with Bob Hare at UBC studying psychopath's reactions 
to various stimuli. I was convinced back then that psychopaths were wired 
differently. Their autonomic responses to stressful events were quite quite 
different from those of normals.

As to treatment, I have seen nothing in the literature and nothing in my 
practice that suggests that psychopaths are treatable. However, that doesn't 
mean that one should impose the death penalty. If a mentally handicapped person 
committed a murder would you want to execute them? In most cases the McNaughton 
rule would preclude that.

Personally, I think that the imposition of a death penalty is morally 
repugnant. Given the large number of people who are falsely convicted each year 
it is a certainty that an innocent person will be executed. That is one of the 
reasons that most civilized countries have abolished the death penalty.

-Don.   

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The website for Wired has an interesting interview with the researcher 
Kent Kiehl who has studied psychopaths for 20 years; the interview 
is here: 
http://www.wired.com/2014/04/psychopath-brains-kiehl/ 

The interview is partly a shill for Kiehl's new book The Psychopath 
Whisperer which is geared for the general public (i.e., it is a 
money book, that is, a book a scientist writes not for a limited 
scientific or academic audience but to appeal to a broad audience 
and is expect to make a fair amount of money -- most popular 
science books are money books though not all of them make a 
lot of money). Anyway, Kiehl has his own mobile MRI scanner 
(there is a picture of him next to trailer that contains the scanner) 
so he's not doing too badly. 

When asked how psychopaths' brain differ from normal brains 
he says the following: 

|WIRED: What is known at this point about what’s different 
|about their brains? 
| 
|Kiehl: We’ve found that psychopaths have 5 to 10 percent 
| reduced gray matter density in and around the limbic regions 
| [a network deep in the brain that's important for emotional 
| processing]. We’ve also found — and a group in Germany 
| has published a similar finding — that the tissue that connects 
| the limbic system to the frontal lobes is disrupted. There have 
| also been lots of studies published showing reduced responsivity 
| in those circuits during emotional processing and moral decision 
|making. 

An interesting question that arises from this research is that a 
number of psychopaths also engage in serious crimes, such 
as serial killing and worse (anyone who has read about what 
Ted Bundy did before and after he killed his female victims 
will know what I'm talking about) and whether psychopaths 
should be held responsible for such crimes if they have a 
brain abnormality. This becomes a critical issue in murder 
trials and Kiehl was apparently the first to use fMRI evidence 
for the defense of a man who had raped and killed a 10 year old 
girl (this was during the sentencing phase because the defendant 
had pleaded guilty and he was already spending time in jail for 
other murders he had committed). The prosecutors wanted 
the death penalty while the defense wanted life in prison. 
Some details about this trial and the jury's decision can be read 
here: 
http://news.sciencemag.org/2009/11/fmri-evidence-used-murder-sentencing 

The question that arises here is if psychopathy is shown to 
be associated with specific brain abnormalities should this condition 
be treated as insanity (i.e., being unable to tell the difference 
between right and wrong and not being able to appreciate the 
consequences of one's actions)? But here is the more important 
point: even if such a brain abnormality does exist which judgment 
is more just: 

(1) life in prison: to keep the person out of open society and hope 
that prison controls will prevent the psychopath from killing someone 
within prison or outside of prison by proxy (Kiehl talks about how 
an imprisoned psychopath that he interviewed thought that he snitched 
on him and through his network got someone on the outside to try 
hurt or kill him). 

or 

(2) death penalty: if the brain abnormality is not modifiable by 
various treatments and the psychopath remains a danger to others 
even while in prison, isn't the best way to minimize future risk 
is by executing the person? 

A number of factors (scientific, moral, legal, etc.) enter into this 
consideration but from a scientific perspective I think that 

Re: [tips] Are Psychopaths' Brains Different From Nonpsychopaths?

2014-04-18 Thread michael sylvester
Mike : I spent a couple of months working with prison inmates as a drug 
addiction counselor at Tomoka State prison here in Daytona Beach as a drug 
addiction counselor and we had discusion on this.

You may want to check out a bideo titled MINDS TO CRIME,
The Brits have extensive research on this.Check out a book
published by a Brit titled THE  CRIMINAL  MIND
by Colin (can't remember his last name.
michael
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Re: [tips] Are Psychopaths' Brains Different From Nonpsychopaths?

2014-04-18 Thread Dap Louw


Sometimes I am amazed by the uncritical interpretation of results. Just two 
very simple examples when it comes to brain differences and psychopathy: 
 
1)  In some widely quoted studies psychopaths were compared with non-offenders. 
 The control group should rather have consisted not only of offenders, but of 
offenders who had committed the same or similar crimes.
 
2)  Even if there is a statistical difference between psychopaths and 
non-psychopaths it does not mean that all psychopaths have a brain dysfunction. 
 A naive example: if it is found that 40% of psychopaths have a brain 
dysfunction versus only 10% of a control group, the results will probably be 
statistically significant.  And it will be reported (especially by the media) 
that psychopaths have a brain dysfunction.  However, the majority of 
psychopaths do not fall in this category.  
 
What makes it more worrisome is that many lecturers also fall prey to this 
phenomenon and spread misconceptions and half-truths to their students.
 
Dap Louw
University of the Free State 
South Africa

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Re: [tips] Are Psychopaths' Brains Different From Nonpsychopaths?

2014-04-18 Thread Joan Warmbold
One discussion question I often ask my students is how early do they think
the abnormal wiring of psychopaths could be detected by brain imaging
technology.  And then my follow-up question is IF we can predict that
certain brain wiring patterns predict psychopathic behaviors by age 6,what
type of action might be appropriate, if any?

I have read a fair amount about the early life experiences of psychopaths
and they usually have experienced very high levels of violence as well as
very low levels of empathy. So might it not be a plausible hypothesis that
they have habituated to stress as well as to gruesome, violent images.

Just BTW, let us not forget that all of our brains are wired differently
relative to how much we have been exposed to music, language, motor
activities, etc.  Our brain is capable of making new neural connections
throughout life but nothing like during our early years, dang it.

Joan
jwarm...@oakton.edu

 Hi Mike-

 I worked as a prison psychologist for ten years and I met (and diagnosed)
 a large number of psychopaths. Based on this experience I can tell you
 that psychopaths are no more dangerous to prison staff than are other
 inmates. As a graduate student I worked with Bob Hare at UBC studying
 psychopath's reactions to various stimuli. I was convinced back then that
 psychopaths were wired differently. Their autonomic responses to
 stressful events were quite quite different from those of normals.

 As to treatment, I have seen nothing in the literature and nothing in my
 practice that suggests that psychopaths are treatable. However, that
 doesn't mean that one should impose the death penalty. If a mentally
 handicapped person committed a murder would you want to execute them? In
 most cases the McNaughton rule would preclude that.

 Personally, I think that the imposition of a death penalty is morally
 repugnant. Given the large number of people who are falsely convicted each
 year it is a certainty that an innocent person will be executed. That is
 one of the reasons that most civilized countries have abolished the death
 penalty.

 -Don.

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 From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu
 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
 tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu
 Cc: Michael Palij m...@nyu.edu
 Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 10:17:29 AM
 Subject: [tips] Are Psychopaths' Brains Different From Nonpsychopaths?











 The website for Wired has an interesting interview with the researcher
 Kent Kiehl who has studied psychopaths for 20 years; the interview
 is here:
 http://www.wired.com/2014/04/psychopath-brains-kiehl/

 The interview is partly a shill for Kiehl's new book The Psychopath
 Whisperer which is geared for the general public (i.e., it is a
 money book, that is, a book a scientist writes not for a limited
 scientific or academic audience but to appeal to a broad audience
 and is expect to make a fair amount of money -- most popular
 science books are money books though not all of them make a
 lot of money). Anyway, Kiehl has his own mobile MRI scanner
 (there is a picture of him next to trailer that contains the scanner)
 so he's not doing too badly.

 When asked how psychopaths' brain differ from normal brains
 he says the following:

 |WIRED: What is known at this point about what’s different
 |about their brains?
 |
 |Kiehl: We’ve found that psychopaths have 5 to 10 percent
 | reduced gray matter density in and around the limbic regions
 | [a network deep in the brain that's important for emotional
 | processing]. We’ve also found — and a group in Germany
 | has published a similar finding — that the tissue that connects
 | the limbic system to the frontal lobes is disrupted. There have
 | also been lots of studies published showing reduced responsivity
 | in those circuits during emotional processing and moral decision
 |making.

 An interesting question that arises from this research is that a
 number of psychopaths also engage in serious crimes, such
 as serial killing and worse (anyone who has read about what
 Ted Bundy did before and after he killed his female victims
 will know what I'm talking about) and whether psychopaths
 should be held responsible for such crimes if they have a
 brain abnormality. This becomes a critical issue in murder
 trials and Kiehl was apparently the first to use fMRI evidence
 for the defense of a man who had raped and killed a 10 year old
 girl (this was during the sentencing phase because the defendant
 had pleaded guilty and he was already spending time in jail for
 other murders he had committed). The prosecutors wanted
 the death penalty while the defense wanted life in prison.
 Some details about this trial and the jury's decision can be read
 here:
 http://news.sciencemag.org/2009/11/fmri-evidence-used-murder-sentencing

 The question that arises here is if psychopathy is shown to
 be associated with specific brain abnormalities should this condition
 be treated as insanity (i.e., being unable to