Re: [tips] Academic Mission Creep
,Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2015, at 5:11 PM, michael sylvester msylves...@copper.netmailto:msylves...@copper.net wrote: Deep down in Florida,many commuity colleges are dropping the term community and resurrect as State College. Daytona Beach Community College is now Daytona State College and other community colleges in the State have renamed to State college. Some of those renamed colleges are now offering 4- year Bachelor degrees in certain disciplines and some appear to be creeping to offer more BA degrees. The Florida State legislature is taking a look at this emergent tendency and halt the trend. The University of Central Florida has objected to community colleges offering 4-year degrees. So how do you read this academic mission creep? michael daytona beach,florida 'going beyond where no tipster has goe before' [http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png] http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirushttp://www.avast.com/ protection is active. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=44099 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-44099-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-44099-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=44101 or send a blank email to leave-44101-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] question about psychopathy
Carol The term psychopath is not a diagnostic one, at least according to the DSM. The closest diagnosis is antisocial personality disorder, but psychopathy is a more narrowly defined term and one not used at all in DSM, even as a specifier for the aforementioned APD. Keep in mind the American Psychiatric Association, when publishing the most recent edition of DSM, had a great deal of controversy regarding the chapter on personality disorders, in the end making absolutely no changes from the prior edition. As one who is interested in said topic, i found this reprehensible. Psychopathy would be a much more useful diagnostic term than APD. As for books, let me check when Im next in the office. Hope this helps. David Wasieleski ,Sent from my iPad On Jan 10, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Carol DeVolder devoldercar...@gmail.commailto:devoldercar...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Tipsters, I'm not a clinician, and I don't think I'm a psychopath, but since I just finished reading The Psychopath Test, I have a few questions for those of you who are...clinicians. My first question concerns the term psychopath. I haven't looked at the DSM and I think I've even asked this before, but psychopath isn't considered a diagnostic label, correct? And if that is correct, is it used as a qualifier to other diagnoses? What is the label that encompasses psychopathic behavior--antisocial personality disorder? Does anyone who has read the book have any suggestions, critiques, or thoughts on the book? I can see that I have a great deal of additional reading to do, so your input would be most welcome. Thanks, Carol -- Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology St. Ambrose University 518 West Locust Street Davenport, Iowa 52803 563-333-6482 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=41477 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-41477-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-41477-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=41478 or send a blank email to leave-41478-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] donating old texts
Thanks that’s great! From: Carol DeVolder [mailto:devoldercar...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:05 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] donating old texts Here is a worthy organization to consider for donation: http://www.booksforafrica.org/ Carol -- Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology St. Ambrose University 518 West Locust Street Davenport, Iowa 52803 563-333-6482 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=38503 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-38503-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-38503-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=38504 or send a blank email to leave-38504-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Donating old texts
Does anyone have contact for the organization to which we can donate old Intro texts for students in need. A faculty member here was asking about it. Thanks. David Wasieleski, Ph.D. Professor Department of Psychology and Counseling Valdosta State University Valdosta, GA 31698 229-333-5620 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=38491 or send a blank email to leave-38491-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] France and Americans
,Sent from my iPad On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:02 AM, michael sylvester msylves...@copper.netmailto:msylves...@copper.net wrote: Is it true that the French are generally thamkful for what happned 70 years ago,but the anti-American resentment is only confined to Paris? michael going beyond where no tipster has gone before [http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png] http://www.avast.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirushttp://www.avast.com/ protection is active. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=37061 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-37061-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-37061-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=37062 or send a blank email to leave-37062-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] question about DSM V
Yes. It's in the mood disorders chapter. ,Sent from my iPad On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Carol DeVolder devoldercar...@gmail.commailto:devoldercar...@gmail.com wrote: Dear TIPSters, Is PMDD now listed as a bona fide disorder in the DSM V (and not depression nos)? Thanks, Carol ps--working on being less vague, more concise here. :) -- Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology St. Ambrose University 518 West Locust Street Davenport, Iowa 52803 563-333-6482 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=26490 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-26490-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-26490-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=26491 or send a blank email to leave-26491-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Polling...
I was told the same thing in my stats classes, although one of our resident statisticians here has no problem with it. To be it's a dichotomous decision, but I was also taught not to say things like a result approached significance. Is this a somewhat arbitrary guideline? Maybe. But it's the one we adopt in such testing, no? Just my two cents as someone who's always told to chill out. David W. -Original Message- From: Marc Carter [mailto:marc.car...@bakeru.edu] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:03 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Polling... Hi, All -- A poll: Am I being too picky about the use of the phrase, highly significant (or something similar) when it's used to describe a very low-probability result? It sort of drives me crazy; all I can hear is my graduate math stats teacher threatening to kill us if we ever said something like that. I still read it in papers and it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. But perhaps I should just chill out? What do you think? m -- Marc Carter, PhD Associate Professor of Psychology Chair, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences College of Arts Sciences Baker University -- The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by Baker University (BU) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify Baker University by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=25137 or send a blank email to leave-25137-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=25138 or send a blank email to leave-25138-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] I disagree with Mayor Bloomberg
At the risk of giving this post more attention that it deserves... My sister lives in Staten Island, and her brother in law was killed during the storm. The school at which she teaches has families without homes, and the marathon would have been run through neighborhoods right near where people lost homes, and where some perished. Assuming the track wouldn't have been restructured, it would have been tacky to run the marathon on its traditional route. My sister and her neighbors thought it should have been cancelled sooner,the people of Staten Island did not want it run, and I think they know better than any of us living outside that area. David Wasieleski ,Sent from my iPad On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:38 PM, michael sylvester msylves...@copper.netmailto:msylves...@copper.net wrote: for canceling the NYC marathon. michael --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=21463 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21463-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21463-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21464 or send a blank email to leave-21464-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] continuing education credit
I am assuming you are not a licensed psychologist, but forgive me if I am incorrect. Typically when one is licensed in a state as a psychologist, one needs so many CEUs (continuing ed units, or credits as you put it) to maintain licensure. Here in GA it's 40 hours in every two year cycle. Roughly speaking, one CEU is one clock hour at a workshop specifically designated by APA as warranting that credit. So essentially one CEU = one clock hour of time spent in a workshop (you can get CEUs for other activities, but that would just complicate this answer and seems irrelevant to your question). If I understand your summary of the HR dept, however, they are saying that one CEU=a session, so if you went to a 3 hour workshop (as you did), they are claiming that's only worth one CEU? Is that the discrepancy? David Wasieleski From: Christine Grela [mailto:cgr...@mchenry.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:01 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] continuing education credit Colleagues, Please see the message below that I sent to the contact at the APA - she's out of her office, so I was hoping a colleague might be able to clarify. Has anyone else run into problems like this? Here's my issue: I am having some issues with my Human Resources department about the APA's use of the term CE credits. My faculty contract has clock hours and CEUs, and my HR department is arguing that a CE credit is the same as a clock hour - meaning credit for the length of the seminar/workshop, etc. Is this accurate? So, for example, I attended a seminar/workshop at the APS convention in May, and I received APA credit according to the website (http://www.psychologicalscience.org/convention/program_2012/search/viewProgram.cfm?Abstract_ID=25706AbType=AbAuthor=Subject_ID=Day_ID=allkeyword=) and the certificate I received said 3 CE credits. What does that mean exactly? Thanks for clarification on this issue. I would like to take advantage of some of the other opportunities offered for continuing education through the APA, but I don't want to continue to argue with my HR department. Christine L. Grela Instructor of Psychology McHenry County College 8900 US Highway 14 Crystal Lake, IL 60012 Office: C-124 Phone: 815-479-7725 cgr...@mchenry.edumailto:cgr...@mchenry.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=20222 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-20222-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-20222-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=20224 or send a blank email to leave-20224-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Is same sex marriage
At the risk of being simplistic in my thinking, how about reducing population growth? ,Sent from my iPad On May 15, 2012, at 2:47 PM, mjchael sylvester msylves...@copper.netmailto:msylves...@copper.net wrote: of any evolutionary significance? It would seem,according to factors propelling evoutionary changes such as survival of the fittest and viability of offsprings,that evolution would favor Adam and Eve,and not Adam and Steve. Michael 'omnicentric' Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: mailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=17805 http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=17805 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to mailto:leave-17805-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu leave-17805-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-17805-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=17806 or send a blank email to leave-17806-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] What Would Carl Rogers Do?
Michael: You ask what would Carl Rogers do, a bit as if that's the ideal of therapy. As I'm sure you're aware there are many models of therapy, and Rogers introduced some essential components to any good therapist's arsenal. But most forms of therapy eschew unconditional positive regard for a slightly lesser unconditional acceptance, meaning that we accept our clients as they are, as (to quote Albert Ellis) fallible human beings. In other words, everyone has flaws and issues, and it's up to us to take personal responsibility to overcome them. Now, to be fair, I believe therapy is a place to whine at times. To borrow from another CBT therapist (Marsha Linehan), therapy involves a seeming paradox of acceptance of the client while also prodding them to make changes that will improve their functioning and overall life satisfaction. Many therapists espouse Rogers' approach, and for many clients, that may be the optimal approach. Rogers believed in a self-directed growth process, meaning that clients would be self motivated for change as long as they felt acceptance. Others (like most CBT therapists) believe the therapist must also create the impetus (or at least help it along) for change. To relate this to teaching, many teachers may believe all students are self motivated. They will come to class, and do what is in their best interest as long as they feel a sense of acceptance and value in the learning process. Others of us feel the need to foster motivation using reinforcement and cognitive restructuring. I think this distinction applies to many endeavors beyond psychology, but without going there, let me just say I think that works in our fields of teaching and therapy. Sits down and shuts up. David Wasieleski From: Michael Palij [m...@nyu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:48 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Cc: Michael Palij Subject: [tips] What Would Carl Rogers Do? I guess I need some feedback from the clinicians around here. There is an article on the Wall Street Journal website that describes what might be a new trend among certain psychotherapists, namely, trying to cut down on the whining their clients/patients do. See: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304192704577404083592261456.html Is this Just Stop Whining movement new? I seem to remember that there were tough love approaches before in psychotherapy but people seem to like the whole unconditional acceptance approach, especially if they can afford weekly session themselves and their insurance doesn't limit them to manualized treatments. I would agree that there seems to be much more popular support for whining in the culture -- you can get your reality TV show if you're a good whiner -- but therapists declaring no whining zones seems a little extreme. WWCRD? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=17808 or send a blank email to leave-17808-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=17810 or send a blank email to leave-17810-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] depression as crutch
Technically the term in DSM for exaggerating or falsifying symptoms for secondary gain (such as attention or the like as opposed to financial or responsibility avoidance) is Factitious Disorder (the old Munchausen Syndrome). I'm not sure that's precisely what you guys are aiming for, but that might be a search term... factitious disorder in college students or young adults, perhaps? David Wasieleski From: Beth Benoit [mailto:beth.ben...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:32 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] depression as crutch Steven, Might your student want to add bipolar disorder to this project? I am seeing more cases of people talking openly about my bipolar and using it publicly. I've been thinking for a while that depression is less likely to garner sympathy than the newer, sexier diagnosis of bipolar disorder. Honestly, I'm dumbfounded by this. I'm beginning to wonder if bipolar is the new ADHD of young adulthood. (Not that it is related to ADHD, but that it may be overdiagnosed, as is considered with ADHD.) I can't think of any keywords to use for searches, but I'm thinking... Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Steven Specht sspe...@utica.edumailto:sspe...@utica.edu wrote: Dear TIPSters, I have a student interested in learning about individuals who might use depression as a crutch. That is, who may or may not be depressed, but who use the symptomatology as a means of identity or avoidance. I don't even know if this is making sense. She (and I) are having trouble thinking of how one might search for such information (i.e., appropriate search terms). Can anyone help? Thanks in advance. -Steven Steven M. Specht, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology Department of Psychology Utica College Utica, NY 13502 (315) 792-3171tel:%28315%29%20792-3171 monkeybrain-collagist.blogspot.comhttp://monkeybrain-collagist.blogspot.com The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Martin Luther King Jr. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: beth.ben...@gmail.commailto:beth.ben...@gmail.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aaf72n=Tl=tipso=16537 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-16537-13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aa...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-16537-13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aa...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edumailto:dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=16540 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-16540-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-16540-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=16541 or send a blank email to leave-16541-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Building a new psych iPad app
I'd be interested Michael. ,Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Michael Britt mich...@thepsychfiles.com wrote: I'm working on an iPad version of a psych test prep tool I created a few years ago. Not positive what I'll call it yet, but here's what it looks like online: http://www.ThePsychFiles.com/mappr The iPad version will look much nicer (hired a graphic designer because I can't draw to save my life). I'm planning on adding more topics, images, animations and a little more fun to the iPad version. I think it's a nice prep tool for AP and Intro Psych college students. I've put a good deal of work into it over the years. If you're interested feel free to get in touch. I can send you an early build. Right now it's iPad only, but coming soon to iPhone and Android (once I teach myself how to do that, but I feel positive about this). Michael Michael A. Britt, Ph.D. mich...@thepsychfiles.com http://www.ThePsychFiles.com Twitter: mbritt --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dwasi...@valdosta.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa3250bn=Tl=tipso=13453 or send a blank email to leave-13453-13191.978362ce7b096266e2cefb878aa32...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=13454 or send a blank email to leave-13454-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Clinical training: Boulder and Denver
Unfortunately many schools w ,Sent from my iPad On Sep 11, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Lilienfeld, Scott O slil...@emory.edu wrote: Jim - Yes, well put. My primary concern, which you've explained well, is that the increasingly common practice among clinical Ph.D. programs of accepting only students who wish to pursue academic/research careers may inadvertently widen the already wide science-practice gap. Clinically oriented students who are scientifically minded or at least open to scientific approaches (and yes, many such students do exist) will instead go largely to Psy.D. programs where, as Jim notes, they will typically receive training that is not scientifically rigorous (there are a few honorable exceptions among Psy.D. programs, like Rutgers, Argosy in DC, and perhaps Denver, as Annette observes, but in my experience these are outliers). An argument I've made in my own clinical program, with minimal success, is that our field desperately needs scientiifically-minded practitioners to deliver evidence-based interventions, serve as scientific role models for their fellow clinicians, supervise graduate students in scientifically-grounded assessment and treatment techniques, offer continuing education workshops that integrate science with practice, and so on. I very much worry that the current trend of discouraging scientifically-minded students who aspire to practice careers from applying to clinical Ph.D. programs will deprive the field of practitioners who have received high quality scientific training. But at the risk of being cynical, most of my academic colleagues here and at other research-oriented clinical psychology programs are less concerned about the future of the field at large than with the success of their own research activities. That's where the reinforcement contigencies lie. These faculty members want research-oriented students to staff and run their laboratories and help them with their grant-funded research, so the current admissions system works well for them. But we may pay a price in the long run. .Scott From: Jim Clark [j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:30 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Clinical training: Boulder and Denver Hi James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Lilienfeld, Scott O slil...@emory.edu 11-Sep-11 7:36:26 AM But more and more, Boulder model programs are discouraging students with primary career interests in clinical practice from applying for graduate school, largely because dozens and dozens of Psy.D programs are already available to do that (and there's no research evidence that Ph.D.s are associated with superior therapy outcomes to Psy.D.s). Also, the costs of graduate training at most clinical psychology programs are enormous (e.g., at Emory, we fund offer guaranteed funding for 4 years, with full tuition remissiion, about a $17,000 a year stipend, coverage of health insurance and other fees; and our clinical program is not markedly atypical from other clinical Ph.D. programs), and many graduate programs do not want to invest $100,000 and years of research training in a student who will go out and perform full-time therapy, especially when there is no evidence (and pretty good evidence to the contrary from meta-analyses) that their treatment outcomes will be superior to those of B.A. level paraprofessionals (I have decidedly mixed feelings about this argument, but take it for what it is). JC One potential downside to this division is that it would appear to give up on the possibility that in the future psychological practice might have stronger scientific foundations that require a deeper understanding of human behavior and experience than can be transmitted in an undergraduate degree or even in a PsyD (especially as currently constituted). It is hard to draw complete parallels with other professions that do not have PhDs as the top professional degree, but MDs do differ from Nurses, Dentists differ from Dental Hygenists, and so on. Psychological practice based on an undergraduate degree would appear to place psychology on par with Social Workers and Occupational Therapists. And the shortcomings in the current versions of PsyDs, as alluded to by Scott, means perhaps that PsyDs are not a lot better than undergraduate degrees (my interpretation, not necessarily Scott's). Another problem is that we relinquish training of practitioners to institutions that are generally less completely scientific than university psychology departments and that are probably outright anti-scientific in some cases. What does that augur for the future interface between the Clinical Scientists and Practitioners? To again draw an analogy with Medicine, would the
Re: [tips] Clinical training: Boulder and Denver
Sorry all. Clearly I am still a novice with this iPad. I coordinate an MS program in clinical/counseling psych at a regional university. We have had some interest in a clinical or counseling psych program, but we've been more or less blocked by our larger state-school brethren. Granted, a few years back our sister regional university was allowed to begin a PsyD program, but as far as I can tell, a PhD program has been blocked. We are moving more into a research-based institution, but I think a school like ours would be more suited to the type of balance being discussed. David Wasieleski ,Sent from my iPad On Sep 11, 2011, at 2:02 PM, David T. Wasieleski dwasi...@valdosta.edu wrote: Unfortunately many schools w ,Sent from my iPad On Sep 11, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Lilienfeld, Scott O slil...@emory.edu wrote: Jim - Yes, well put. My primary concern, which you've explained well, is that the increasingly common practice among clinical Ph.D. programs of accepting only students who wish to pursue academic/research careers may inadvertently widen the already wide science-practice gap. Clinically oriented students who are scientifically minded or at least open to scientific approaches (and yes, many such students do exist) will instead go largely to Psy.D. programs where, as Jim notes, they will typically receive training that is not scientifically rigorous (there are a few honorable exceptions among Psy.D. programs, like Rutgers, Argosy in DC, and perhaps Denver, as Annette observes, but in my experience these are outliers). An argument I've made in my own clinical program, with minimal success, is that our field desperately needs scientiifically-minded practitioners to deliver evidence-based interventions, serve as scientific role models for their fellow clinicians, supervise graduate students in scientifically-grounded assessment and treatment techniques, offer continuing education workshops that integrate science with practice, and so on. I very much worry that the current trend of discouraging scientifically-minded students who aspire to practice careers from applying to clinical Ph.D. programs will deprive the field of practitioners who have received high quality scientific training. But at the risk of being cynical, most of my academic colleagues here and at other research-oriented clinical psychology programs are less concerned about the future of the field at large than with the success of their own research activities. That's where the reinforcement contigencies lie. These faculty members want research-oriented students to staff and run their laboratories and help them with their grant-funded research, so the current admissions system works well for them. But we may pay a price in the long run. .Scott From: Jim Clark [j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:30 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Clinical training: Boulder and Denver Hi James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca Lilienfeld, Scott O slil...@emory.edu 11-Sep-11 7:36:26 AM But more and more, Boulder model programs are discouraging students with primary career interests in clinical practice from applying for graduate school, largely because dozens and dozens of Psy.D programs are already available to do that (and there's no research evidence that Ph.D.s are associated with superior therapy outcomes to Psy.D.s). Also, the costs of graduate training at most clinical psychology programs are enormous (e.g., at Emory, we fund offer guaranteed funding for 4 years, with full tuition remissiion, about a $17,000 a year stipend, coverage of health insurance and other fees; and our clinical program is not markedly atypical from other clinical Ph.D. programs), and many graduate programs do not want to invest $100,000 and years of research training in a student who will go out and perform full-time therapy, especially when there is no evidence (and pretty good evidence to the contrary from meta-analyses) that their treatment outcomes will be superior to those of B.A. level paraprofessionals (I have decidedly mixed feelings about this argument, but take it for what it is). JC One potential downside to this division is that it would appear to give up on the possibility that in the future psychological practice might have stronger scientific foundations that require a deeper understanding of human behavior and experience than can be transmitted in an undergraduate degree or even in a PsyD (especially as currently constituted). It is hard to draw complete parallels with other professions that do not have PhDs as the top professional degree, but MDs do differ from Nurses, Dentists differ from Dental Hygenists, and so on. Psychological practice based
