Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
Chris and others: Actually, in Canada we do have advanced placement courses in high school, for which students are given credit at some universities . At Wilfrid Laurier University for example, non-Psych majors can get a half credit (equivalent to a one term course) in Psychology for AP Challenge and Change in Society with a minimum grade of 4. That is lost, however, if they take our Introduction to Psychology course. -Max Gwynn Max Gwynn, Ph.D. Assistant Professor and Undergraduate Academic Advisor Dept. of Psychology Wilfrid Laurier University (519) 884-0710 ext 3854 mgw...@wlu.ca Christopher Green chri...@yorku.ca 10/19/2012 5:50 PM No AP in Canada. And I must say I like it that way. You take college courses in college. High school is an very different kind of institution (we hope) and it is very hard to get students who have never known anything but high school to suddenly start acting like they're in college without any of the collegial context to support it. It's a bit like trying to race on ordinary city streets. Either you drive like everyone else, or someone's bound to get hurt. Chris --- Christopher D. Green --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21235 or send a blank email to leave-21235-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] AP Classes are a Scam
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21184 or send a blank email to leave-21184-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
I have had AP students not do well in Gen Psych, but some have done well. This author sounds like he is bothered by many aspects of the system, and I have no familiarity with the AP system and how it is being gamed by those involved. I have wondered how a highschool teacher can adequately do a class that is supposed to be college level given the political realities; pressures from officials and parents, time, needed depth, inadequate support, equipment, prep, etc., that is typical of highschoolsand higher highschools called colleges. I will watch for responses from those more acquainted with the issues. G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:02 PM, drnanjo drna...@aol.com wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: peter...@svsu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd94bn=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21185 or send a blank email to leave-21185-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
If I recall correctly, they often teach over the course of two high school semesters what we cover over the course of one college semester. That can help with breadth and depth a good bit, not that I think your concerns are unfounded. I think they are quite legitimate. In fact, I grow more concerned about 'early college credit' options that are increasing in high schools. But, that's a bit different than AP. Paul On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Gerald Peterson wrote: I have had AP students not do well in Gen Psych, but some have done well. This author sounds like he is bothered by many aspects of the system, and I have no familiarity with the AP system and how it is being gamed by those involved. I have wondered how a highschool teacher can adequately do a class that is supposed to be college level given the political realities; pressures from officials and parents, time, needed depth, inadequate support, equipment, prep, etc., that is typical of highschoolsand higher highschools called colleges. I will watch for responses from those more acquainted with the issues. G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:02 PM, drnanjo drna...@aol.commailto:drna...@aol.com wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: peter...@svsu.edumailto:peter...@svsu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd94bn=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21184-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edumailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003n=Tl=tipso=21185 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21185-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21185-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21186 or send a blank email to leave-21186-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
I'm not at AP-affiliated Tipster (but I have a colleague who is) and I don't see much problem with the AP system as far as giving credit for college classes for high scores. Most high school classes will meet five times a week for an academic hour as opposed to college classes that meet three times a week so there is a lot more time available to cover material and do various other activities (even with the usual HS time wasters). The only part of the program I see as a scam has to do with cases where very low percentages of students taking the AP classes at some schools do not pass the test. That pass rate should be publicized to potential students and their parents. We had a high school AP class in our town (not Psychology) where an extremely low percentage of students in the class passed the test and, as far as I know, the same teacher is still teaching it. That is troubling but it really has nothing to do with the college equivalence granted to students who pass the test at a high level. Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Professor of Psychology Box 3519 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edumailto:rfro...@jbu.edu (479) 524-7295 http://bit.ly/DrFroman From: drnanjo [mailto:drna...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: rfro...@jbu.edumailto:rfro...@jbu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5f8an=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edumailto:leave-21184-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21187 or send a blank email to leave-21187-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
I suspect that there's a lot of variation. Thinking back to the distant past when my kids were in high school, some of the high school math teachers teaching AP math had barely as much math as they were teaching. Remember, a teaching degree in math education can require fewer actual math courses than an undergraduate math minor. On the other hand, one son went on to get a doctorate in math and now grades AP math! But he never took a high school math course (we made other arrangements). On Oct 19, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Rick Froman wrote: I’m not at AP-affiliated Tipster (but I have a colleague who is) and I don’t see much problem with the AP system as far as giving credit for college classes for high scores. Most high school classes will meet five times a week for an academic hour as opposed to college classes that meet three times a week so there is a lot more time available to cover material and do various other activities (even with the usual HS time wasters). The only part of the program I see as a scam has to do with cases where very low percentages of students taking the AP classes at some schools do not pass the test. That pass rate should be publicized to potential students and their parents. We had a high school AP class in our town (not Psychology) where an extremely low percentage of students in the class passed the test and, as far as I know, the same teacher is still teaching it. That is troubling but it really has nothing to do with the college equivalence granted to students who pass the test at a high level. Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Professor of Psychology Box 3519 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edu (479) 524-7295 http://bit.ly/DrFroman From: drnanjo [mailto:drna...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21188 or send a blank email to leave-21188-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
Interesting discussion as we just had a departmental meeting yesterday. We used to give credit for a 3 or higher, but now only give credit for scoring a 5. There's a lot of sentiment among faculty, however, to revisit that decision and maybe not give any credit at all. We're seeing students scoring 5s having all kinds of trouble in our other courses. *** Mark A. Casteel, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Penn State York 1031 Edgecomb Avenue York, PA 17403 (717) 771-4028 From: Paul Brandon [mailto:pkbra...@hickorytech.net] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 4:46 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam I suspect that there's a lot of variation. Thinking back to the distant past when my kids were in high school, some of the high school math teachers teaching AP math had barely as much math as they were teaching. Remember, a teaching degree in math education can require fewer actual math courses than an undergraduate math minor. On the other hand, one son went on to get a doctorate in math and now grades AP math! But he never took a high school math course (we made other arrangements). On Oct 19, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Rick Froman wrote: I'm not at AP-affiliated Tipster (but I have a colleague who is) and I don't see much problem with the AP system as far as giving credit for college classes for high scores. Most high school classes will meet five times a week for an academic hour as opposed to college classes that meet three times a week so there is a lot more time available to cover material and do various other activities (even with the usual HS time wasters). The only part of the program I see as a scam has to do with cases where very low percentages of students taking the AP classes at some schools do not pass the test. That pass rate should be publicized to potential students and their parents. We had a high school AP class in our town (not Psychology) where an extremely low percentage of students in the class passed the test and, as far as I know, the same teacher is still teaching it. That is troubling but it really has nothing to do with the college equivalence granted to students who pass the test at a high level. Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Professor of Psychology Box 3519 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edu (479) 524-7295 http://bit.ly/DrFroman From: drnanjo [mailto:drna...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/26 3456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: ma...@psu.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3dba http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3dban= Tl=tipso=21188 n=Tl=tipso=21188 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21188-13372.4251c47fdf0b43ddd1e5bf28bc6f3...@fsulist.frostburg.edu _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5341 - Release Date: 10/19/12 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21189 or send a blank email to leave-21189-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
No AP in Canada. And I must say I like it that way. You take college courses in college. High school is an very different kind of institution (we hope) and it is very hard to get students who have never known anything but high school to suddenly start acting like they're in college without any of the collegial context to support it. It's a bit like trying to race on ordinary city streets. Either you drive like everyone else, or someone's bound to get hurt. Chris --- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ = On 2012-10-19, at 4:01 PM, drnanjo wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92n=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21191 or send a blank email to leave-21191-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] AP Classes are a Scam
Just FWIW, there are at least a couple AP Essay exam readersfrom Canada (who teach here as well) who join the US group every June.DKH On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Christopher Green chri...@yorku.ca wrote: No AP in Canada. And I must say I like it that way. You take college courses in college. High school is an very different kind of institution (we hope) and it is very hard to get students who have never known anything but high school to suddenly start acting like they're in college without any of the collegial context to support it. It's a bit like trying to race on ordinary city streets. Either you drive like everyone else, or someone's bound to get hurt. Chris --- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ = On 2012-10-19, at 4:01 PM, drnanjo wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/10/ap-classes-are-a-scam/263456/ Sharing this because a few of my fellow TIPsters are veteran readers. Wondering what they (and other not AP-affiliated Tipsters) think about this. Happy approximately mid-semester to you and yours... Nancy Melucci Long Beach City College et alia --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92n=Tl=tipso=21184 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21184-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: dhogb...@albion.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c7628en=Tl=tipso=21191 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-21191-13152.d92d7ec47187a662aacda2d4b4c76...@fsulist.frostburg.edu -- David K. Hogberg, PhD Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Department of Psychological Science Albion College Albion MI 49224 Tel: 517/629-4834 (Home and mobile) --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=21194 or send a blank email to leave-21194-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
