Re: [tips] Do Orthodox Jews Believe in Vaccination?
Mike-- As I've heard it (confirmed by experience ;-) it's two Jews and three opinions. In fact, sometimes I can manage three opinions all by myself ;-) On Sep 4, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Mike Palij wrote: > Paul, > > Back in the 1990s I was on the full-time faculty of Yeshiva University > for five years and taught in both the men's undergraduate college > (Yeshiva College) and the women's undergraduate college (Stern > College). During one of the experimental psychology lecture classes > we were discussing the implications of a memory experiment we > had just conducted (I believe it was the Brown-Peterson distractor > task) and a couple of the men started having a heated discussion > about the interpretation. I said calm down and let's discuss this > systematically. One of the students replied to me: > > "Hey Professor, you know what they say: get three Jews together, > get five different opinions." > > So, I am not surprised that there are differing views about things > including the 613 Mizvot. ;-) > > -Mike Palij > New York University > m...@nyu.edu > > > On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:49:58 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote: > Mike: > > You are right that a Rabbi would be referring to the 613 Mizvot compiled by > Maimonides. > The Christian 10 are often broken down into 13 or so; the Christian first > becoming > 1. To know there is a G-d--Exodus 20:2 > 2. Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him--Exodus 20:3 > > 3. To know that He is one--Deuteronomy 6:4 > > 4. To love Him--Deuteronomy 6:5 > > 5. To fear Him--Deuteronomy 10:20 > > And of course all 613 cannot be obeyed at present because some refer to the > Temple in Jerusalem. > So few Rabbis (even among the Orthodox few) today would say that one must > rigidly obey all 613. However saying that one must obey the Mizvot would > refer > to the body of 613; not to the first few. > > The context of my original comment: > We live about 85 miles from the nearest synagogue. > On weekends we drove the kids up for Sunday school. > I was discussing with the Rabbi what to do in bad winter weather > (we have some in Minnesota, the Land of the Frozen Chosen); > His comment was that the Torah says that we should -live- by these > commandments, so safety first. Studying Torah is important, but not to the > point of risking one's life. > > As for 358 below, I found a slightly more coherent translation: > "The rapist must marry his victim if she is unwed - Deut. 22:29" > There is no universal numbering system, but Deut. 22:29 is always the same > (although translations vary), but 358 can be all sorts of things. > > > On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Mike Palij wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:11:40 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote: >> >>> As my favorite Rabbi said: >>> The Torah says 'Thou shalt -live- by these commandments'. >>> When in doubt, do what is necessary to go on living. >> >> Which commandments are you referring to? The 10 that >> Christians know or the 613 Commandments? For the >> latter, see: >> http://bethaderech.com/list-of-the-613-commandments/ >> >> My favorite one is the following which seems to have been forgotten >> by many: >> 235 Not lending to another person at interest. Vayikra (Leviticus) 25:37 >> >> Then again, there are others that are observed: >> 326 Not to work on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year). Vayikra (Leviticus) >> 23:25 >> >> And then there are just some head scratchers: >> 358 Divorce not wife, that he has to marry after raping her. Devarim >> (Deuteronomy) 22:29 >> >> So many rules, so little time. Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27559 or send a blank email to leave-27559-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Do Orthodox Jews Believe in Vaccination?
Paul, Back in the 1990s I was on the full-time faculty of Yeshiva University for five years and taught in both the men's undergraduate college (Yeshiva College) and the women's undergraduate college (Stern College). During one of the experimental psychology lecture classes we were discussing the implications of a memory experiment we had just conducted (I believe it was the Brown-Peterson distractor task) and a couple of the men started having a heated discussion about the interpretation. I said calm down and let's discuss this systematically. One of the students replied to me: "Hey Professor, you know what they say: get three Jews together, get five different opinions." So, I am not surprised that there are differing views about things including the 613 Mizvot. ;-) -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:49:58 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote: Mike: You are right that a Rabbi would be referring to the 613 Mizvot compiled by Maimonides. The Christian 10 are often broken down into 13 or so; the Christian first becoming 1. To know there is a G-d--Exodus 20:2 2. Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him--Exodus 20:3 3. To know that He is one--Deuteronomy 6:4 4. To love Him--Deuteronomy 6:5 5. To fear Him--Deuteronomy 10:20 And of course all 613 cannot be obeyed at present because some refer to the Temple in Jerusalem. So few Rabbis (even among the Orthodox few) today would say that one must rigidly obey all 613. However saying that one must obey the Mizvot would refer to the body of 613; not to the first few. The context of my original comment: We live about 85 miles from the nearest synagogue. On weekends we drove the kids up for Sunday school. I was discussing with the Rabbi what to do in bad winter weather (we have some in Minnesota, the Land of the Frozen Chosen); His comment was that the Torah says that we should -live- by these commandments, so safety first. Studying Torah is important, but not to the point of risking one's life. As for 358 below, I found a slightly more coherent translation: "The rapist must marry his victim if she is unwed - Deut. 22:29" There is no universal numbering system, but Deut. 22:29 is always the same (although translations vary), but 358 can be all sorts of things. On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Mike Palij wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:11:40 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote: As my favorite Rabbi said: The Torah says 'Thou shalt -live- by these commandments'. When in doubt, do what is necessary to go on living. Which commandments are you referring to? The 10 that Christians know or the 613 Commandments? For the latter, see: http://bethaderech.com/list-of-the-613-commandments/ My favorite one is the following which seems to have been forgotten by many: 235 Not lending to another person at interest. Vayikra (Leviticus) 25:37 Then again, there are others that are observed: 326 Not to work on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year). Vayikra (Leviticus) 23:25 And then there are just some head scratchers: 358 Divorce not wife, that he has to marry after raping her. Devarim (Deuteronomy) 22:29 So many rules, so little time. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27558 or send a blank email to leave-27558-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Do Orthodox Jews Believe in Vaccination?
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:11:40 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote: As my favorite Rabbi said: The Torah says 'Thou shalt -live- by these commandments'. When in doubt, do what is necessary to go on living. Which commandments are you referring to? The 10 that Christians know or the 613 Commandments? For the latter, see: http://bethaderech.com/list-of-the-613-commandments/ My favorite one is the following which seems to have been forgotten by many: 235 Not lending to another person at interest. Vayikra (Leviticus) 25:37 Then again, there are others that are observed: 326 Not to work on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year). Vayikra (Leviticus) 23:25 And then there are just some head scratchers: 358 Divorce not wife, that he has to marry after raping her. Devarim (Deuteronomy) 22:29 So many rules, so little time. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27547 or send a blank email to leave-27547-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Do Orthodox Jews Believe in Vaccination?
Mike: You are right that a Rabbi would be referring to the 613 Mizvot compiled by Maimonides. The Christian 10 are often broken down into 13 or so; the Christian first becoming 1. To know there is a G-d--Exodus 20:2 2. Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him--Exodus 20:3 3. To know that He is one--Deuteronomy 6:4 4. To love Him--Deuteronomy 6:5 5. To fear Him--Deuteronomy 10:20 And of course all 613 cannot be obeyed at present because some refer to the Temple in Jerusalem. So few Rabbis (even among the Orthodox few) today would say that one must rigidly obey all 613. However saying that one must obey the Mizvot would refer to the body of 613; not to the first few. The context of my original comment: We live about 85 miles from the nearest synagogue. On weekends we drove the kids up for Sunday school. I was discussing with the Rabbi what to do in bad winter weather (we have some in Minnesota, the Land of the Frozen Chosen); His comment was that the Torah says that we should -live- by these commandments, so safety first. Studying Torah is important, but not to the point of risking one's life. As for 358 below, I found a slightly more coherent translation: "The rapist must marry his victim if she is unwed — Deut. 22:29" There is no universal numbering system, but Deut. 22:29 is always the same (although translations vary), but 358 can be all sorts of things. On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Mike Palij wrote: > On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 10:11:40 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote: > >> As my favorite Rabbi said: >> The Torah says 'Thou shalt -live- by these commandments'. >> When in doubt, do what is necessary to go on living. > > Which commandments are you referring to? The 10 that > Christians know or the 613 Commandments? For the > latter, see: > http://bethaderech.com/list-of-the-613-commandments/ > > My favorite one is the following which seems to have been forgotten > by many: > 235 Not lending to another person at interest. Vayikra (Leviticus) 25:37 > > Then again, there are others that are observed: > 326 Not to work on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year). Vayikra (Leviticus) > 23:25 > > And then there are just some head scratchers: > 358 Divorce not wife, that he has to marry after raping her. Devarim > (Deuteronomy) 22:29 > > So many rules, so little time. > Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27551 or send a blank email to leave-27551-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Do Orthodox Jews Believe in Vaccination?
On 3 Sep 2013 at 15:47, Pollak, Edward (Retired) wrote: > Michael asked if there was an Orthodox Jewish position on vaccinating > one's children and Where in the Torah, Talmud, or Pentateuch (sic) are > medical issues addressed? A now-rare reply from me (retirement keeps me busy, busy, busy): My Jewish mother (an authority, of course, but definitely not a Talmudic scholar) used to claim that it is permissible to break any Jewish rule if health or life is at at stake. So while you're not supposed to work on the Sabbath, if you have to build a fire to keep from freezing to death, you're permitted. Or if you're going to die unless you get a ham sandwich, snack away. But only if this was literally true. I also recall that it is written, presumably in the Talmud, that if one child in a family bleeds excessively on circumcision, later-born babies are excused from having the trim. This illustrates both my mother's principle and the fact that way, way back, they did have some understanding of the genetic basis of hemophilia. Obligatory circumcision joke: Stranger in town needs to have a watch fixed. Passes a shop with watches in the window, goes in , asks to have the work done. The shopkeeper says he's sorry, he's not a watch repairman, but a mohl (someone whose job is to to circumcise). "A mohl!" exclaims the stranger. "Then why do you have watches in the window?" The shopkeeper sighs. "So, what you _you_ put in the window? Stephen Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca - --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27552 or send a blank email to leave-27552-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Do Orthodox Jews Believe in Vaccination?
As my favorite Rabbi said: The Torah says 'Thou shalt -live- by these commandments'. When in doubt, do what is necessary to go on living. On Sep 3, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Pollak, Edward (Retired) wrote: > Michael asked if there was an Orthodox Jewish position on vaccinating one's > children and Where in the Torah, Talmud, or Pentateuch (sic) are medical > issues addressed? > (Just FYI, Michael, the Torah IS the Pentateuch.) But if you really want to > know the answers to your question, just do a Google search for "Jewish Belief > Vaccinations" and you'll find more than you ever wanted to know on the issue, > including numerous references from Torah & Talmud. But the short answer is > that most rabbis (including most Orthodox rabbis) do not object to > vaccination and the vast majority would promote vaccination. That being said, > there may be some ultraorthodox (Hassidic) sects who oppose vaccination but > even most Hassidic sects would not oppose vaccination. The same could be said > Christians, most agree with the policy of vaccinations for children but sects > actively oppose it. . Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27524 or send a blank email to leave-27524-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Do Orthodox Jews Believe in Vaccination?
Michael asked if there was an Orthodox Jewish position on vaccinating one's children and Where in the Torah, Talmud, or Pentateuch (sic) are medical issues addressed? (Just FYI, Michael, the Torah IS the Pentateuch.) But if you really want to know the answers to your question, just do a Google search for "Jewish Belief Vaccinations" and you'll find more than you ever wanted to know on the issue, including numerous references from Torah & Talmud. But the short answer is that most rabbis (including most Orthodox rabbis) do not object to vaccination and the vast majority would promote vaccination. That being said, there may be some ultraorthodox (Hassidic) sects who oppose vaccination but even most Hassidic sects would not oppose vaccination. The same could be said Christians, most agree with the policy of vaccinations for children but sects actively oppose it. . Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Psychology West Chester University of Pennsylvania http://home.comcast.net/~epollak/ Husband, father, grandfather, bluegrass fiddler, banjoist & biopsychologist... in approximate order of importance --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=27519 or send a blank email to leave-27519-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
