[tips] History System

2014-09-25 Thread Annette Taylor
The response from my department has been: a rose by any other name

I argue that it's not the same and would like more input from the list for this 
topic that omitting systems is a significant departure. I have some ideas but 
they are probably not sufficiently strong to sway the rose by any other name 
folks.

Finally another colleague asked me to ask the list about theories of 
personality. It is currently taught, pretty much, as the history of the 
theories of personality with an extremely strong emphasis on psychodynamic and 
humanistic approaches. Are there no 21st century theories?

Annette


Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
Professor, Psychological Sciences
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110-2492
tay...@sandiego.edu


Subject: Re: History  Systems
From: Christopher Green chri...@yorku.ca
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:39:20 -0400

One other thought: no one in the know uses history and systems anymore. 
That was a phrase popularized in the 1950s (though it may date back to the 
1930s) that marks a course as one that hasn't been rethought in a very long 
time. Plain history of psychology (or sometimes history  theory, which was 
a 1980s phenomenon) signals a more contemporary approach.

Chris
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Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M6C 1G4
Canada

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Re: [tips] History System

2014-09-25 Thread Gerald Peterson
I defer to Chris but... I taught the class for ages, but no longer. It is still 
called History and Systems here.  I don't think there is much in the name, and 
no colleague has mentioned this new trend. I am older and out of touch with pop 
trends in psych ha.  I think systems or schools of thought is still fine.  
Should we start a discussion about the mis-use or understanding psychologists 
have regarding what counts as a scientific theory?  The class today (we have 
two faculty who do it most) may involve more emphasis on cross-cultural issues 
and the nasty way Western psychologists ignored non-western epistemological 
views, or a more traditional perspective emphasizing historical/philosophical 
perspectives. Regardless, students are expected to participate in discussions 
and produce a paper looking at current psych topics/theories, and show 
integration with the historical/philosophical background for such. I haven't 
seen the latest reviews of our class but it appears to serve the function of a 
capstone class as we wish regardless of who is teaching the class.

My area of emphasis is Social-Personality and I have taught the Personality 
class most of my teaching career.  I am now on a reduced load approaching 
retirement, and that was one class I was happy to give up. I would love to 
teach a class with emphasis on current theoretical ideas and research. However, 
the class we have is the old-fashioned perspectives that go from Freud to 
humanistic ideas, Cattell and Eysenck and trait views, then near the end, 
Skinner, Rotter and Bandura.  The scientific utility of these perspectives vary 
considerably. I do stress also, what I think Mike P. noted, Skinnerian views of 
personality might question the common way personality has been conceptualized. 
I would love some effort to alter the usual psych curriculum and develop a 
class with some appreciation of historical contributions, but with emphasis on 
what might be actually going on in the field. And so it goes...

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Subject: [tips] History  System

The response from my department has been: a rose by any other name

I argue that it's not the same and would like more input from the list for this 
topic that omitting systems is a significant departure. I have some ideas but 
they are probably not sufficiently strong to sway the rose by any other name 
folks.

Finally another colleague asked me to ask the list about theories of 
personality. It is currently taught, pretty much, as the history of the 
theories of personality with an extremely strong emphasis on psychodynamic and 
humanistic approaches. Are there no 21st century theories?

Annette


Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
Professor, Psychological Sciences
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110-2492
tay...@sandiego.edu


Subject: Re: History  Systems
From: Christopher Green chri...@yorku.ca
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:39:20 -0400

One other thought: no one in the know uses history and systems anymore. 
That was a phrase popularized in the 1950s (though it may date back to the 
1930s) that marks a course as one that hasn't been rethought in a very long 
time. Plain history of psychology (or sometimes history  theory, which was 
a 1980s phenomenon) signals a more contemporary approach.

Chris
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Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M6C 1G4
Canada

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RE:[tips] History System

2014-09-25 Thread Tim Shearon
Annettte
It's been my experience that many faculty have had such a course at the 
undergraduate or even graduate level. So they think they know it, well 
enough. That's what leads to many of the rose comments. Alas, we've had to 
bank the course till we get past the rapid staffing changes we've been going 
through (maybe next year!). A lot of those people are also convinced they can 
teach it just as well as someone with extensive experience and readings. 
Including the, Anyone can teach that, comments.
Tim

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Professor and Chairperson, Department of Psychology
The College of Idaho
Caldwell, ID 83605
email: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu

teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; vision




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Subject: [tips] History  System

The response from my department has been: a rose by any other name

I argue that it's not the same and would like more input from the list for this 
topic that omitting systems is a significant departure. I have some ideas but 
they are probably not sufficiently strong to sway the rose by any other name 
folks.

Finally another colleague asked me to ask the list about theories of 
personality. It is currently taught, pretty much, as the history of the 
theories of personality with an extremely strong emphasis on psychodynamic and 
humanistic approaches. Are there no 21st century theories?

Annette


Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D.
Professor, Psychological Sciences
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110-2492
tay...@sandiego.edu



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