RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Dear Fiona, That show sounds interesting. Having a cuppa then off for shut-eye. Love, Dad xxoxxo __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Gerald Peterson [mailto:peter...@svsu.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:18 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42205 or send a blank email to leave-42205-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42210 or send a blank email to leave-42210-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Now that's a remarkable coincidence: my father called me Fiona, too. I never knew why Best, Jeff On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Stuart McKelvie smcke...@ubishops.ca wrote: Dear Fiona, That show sounds interesting. Having a cuppa then off for shut-eye. Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42218 or send a blank email to leave-42218-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Well, we are all sort of family here! Jim Jim Clark Professor Chair of Psychology University of Winnipeg 204-786-9757 Room 4L41 (4th Floor Lockhart) www.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark -Original Message- From: Stuart McKelvie [mailto:smcke...@ubishops.ca] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:37 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Dear Tipsters., Woops...sorry about that! Stuart __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Stuart McKelvie [mailto:smcke...@ubishops.ca] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:32 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Dear Fiona, That show sounds interesting. Having a cuppa then off for shut-eye. Love, Dad xxoxxo __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Gerald Peterson [mailto:peter...@svsu.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:18 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42205 or send a blank email to leave-42205-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42210 or send a blank email to leave-42210-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9n=Tl=tipso=42211 or send a blank email to leave-42211-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42212 or send a blank email to leave-42212-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Dear Tipsters., Woops...sorry about that! Stuart __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Stuart McKelvie [mailto:smcke...@ubishops.ca] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:32 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE:[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Dear Fiona, That show sounds interesting. Having a cuppa then off for shut-eye. Love, Dad xxoxxo __ Recti Cultus Pectora Roborant Stuart J. McKelvie, Ph.D., Department of Psychology, Bishop's University, 2600 rue College, Sherbrooke (Borough of Lennoxville), QC J1M 1Z7, Canada. stuart.mckel...@ubishops.ca (819)822-9600X2402 Floreat Labore __ -Original Message- From: Gerald Peterson [mailto:peter...@svsu.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:18 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42205 or send a blank email to leave-42205-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: smcke...@ubishops.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb72e3n=Tl=tipso=42210 or send a blank email to leave-42210-13510.2cc18398df2e6692fffc29a610cb7...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42211 or send a blank email to leave-42211-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Old ideas in psych/Erikson
Jeff Ricker noted: I've been looking at the issue of Erikson's relevance to contemporary work for the past hour and must tentatively disagree with Gary's claim. Yes, even Erikson criticized his own work after his retirement and seemed unsure whether research in this area could ever be scientific. Nevertheless, he seemed to believe that the assumptions and general principles that formed the foundation of his thinking were valid. MY RESPONSE: I think it was good that Erikson recognized problems with the scientific value of his ideas. I always felt they were interesting, but just not as theoretically useful, but the Barnum-like way they are described in Psych texts is also problem. Text authors seem to revel in the vagueness, and everyone looks for confirmation in anecdotal accounts while finding, events to fit the theory in hindsight. I think the same problems are reinforced in educating health professionals...they are told such unsupported ideas are relevant, and taught to look for ways to fit his(and other) ideas to cases. Again, such ideas are comfortable frameworks that are thus made to feel important and relevant. This leads such folks to feel they have knowledge to sharewhether it is evidenced based or not. Thus, notions like Kubler-Ross's stages of dying, and similar (or, even more pseudoscientific) views become required lore in the socialization/training of health professionals. What is seen as important, and what is actually efficacious in practice may be different. However, it is warming a few degrees here, and I am becoming less curmudgeonly, so I will defer to those with more expertise in developmental science ;-) --- JEFF NOTED And his ideas about and theories of fundamental developmental challenges seem to still be important in areas like nursing, social work, and counseling psychology. I noticed that this may be especially true in the care and treatment of geriatric patients, which is the issue that gave rise to this thread. Perhaps someone with expertise in this broad area could expound on this a bit. YES, AGREE... G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@mail-archive.com. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=42205 or send a blank email to leave-42205-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
