RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-02 Thread Shearon, Tim 

Paul
I think Mike was being a bit more subtle than that- Perhaps his point was that 
administrators CAN take our jobs away. I suspect one is less likely to be 
sanctioned some places for criticizing the President or Prime Minister than, 
say one's own institution or its policies. 
Tim


_
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Professor and Chairperson of Psychology
The College of Idaho
2112 Cleveland Blvd
Caldwell, ID 83605

teaching: Bio and neuropsychology, history and systems, general, 
psychopharmacology 
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Brandon [mailto:paul.bran...@mnsu.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:06 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

Mike--
Suggest that you read the history of the 1950's:
People did have their livelihoods taken away,
in the name of 'anti-communism'!

It CAN happen here.

On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Michael Smith wrote:

> Perhaps we should be worried about joining the 'facebook group for
> tired teachers' (I'm sure the membership list can be had), or perhaps
> Chris should be worried for posting it.
>
> Reminds me of the state of affairs in communist dictatorships where a
> person cannot speak their mind in public, especially if it's critical
> of the government. But I suppose that's not right. After all, in the
> Americas we can speak our mind if we wish even if the voice is
> critical. I mean, you can even criticize the President of the US, and
> God knows you can surely criticize the Canadian Prime Minister.
>
> So surely there is no problem with criticising the administration of a
> school. I mean it's not like they can take away your livelihood like
> they can in a communist country.
>
> --Mike

Paul Brandon
Emeritus Professor of Psychology
Minnesota State University, Mankato
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Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-02 Thread Paul Brandon 

Mike--
Suggest that you read the history of the 1950's:
People did have their livelihoods taken away,
in the name of 'anti-communism'!

It CAN happen here.

On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:50 PM, Michael Smith wrote:


Perhaps we should be worried about joining the 'facebook group for
tired teachers' (I'm sure the membership list can be had), or perhaps
Chris should be worried for posting it.

Reminds me of the state of affairs in communist dictatorships where a
person cannot speak their mind in public, especially if it's critical
of the government. But I suppose that's not right. After all, in the
Americas we can speak our mind if we wish even if the voice is
critical. I mean, you can even criticize the President of the US, and
God knows you can surely criticize the Canadian Prime Minister.

So surely there is no problem with criticising the administration of a
school. I mean it's not like they can take away your livelihood like
they can in a communist country.

--Mike


Paul Brandon
Emeritus Professor of Psychology
Minnesota State University, Mankato
paul.bran...@mnsu.edu


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Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-02 Thread Paul Bernhardt 
Reading the linked newspaper article, the professor had not 'friended' any 
students (that's my Facebook policy, too). 

Depending on how your account is set up, I think you can theoretically make 
everything you put on Facebook completely public, though the defaults are 
fairly private (only friends, maybe friends of friends). I restrict pretty much 
any of my content to only friends and not friends of friends... but, it is 
complicated. I think a friend can 'share' your posting onto their page, which 
means all their friends can see it, etc. The professor, however, would see that 
happen. 

So, IMO, the most likely explanation is that a fellow instructor friend whom 
she didn't know very well shared this with someone else verbally, maybe an 
administrator, maybe fellow faculty. The administrators saw the page, probably 
by just asking the 'whistleblower' to show it to them. According to the linked 
newspaper article, the professor had a conflict with administration stemming 
from an article written for the Chronicle of Higher Education. This may be an 
excuse to do something to her that they couldn't do after the Chronicle article 
and use the Alabama Huntsville shooting as sufficient justification. Of course, 
I'm also just plain guessing. 

Paul


On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Christopher D. Green wrote:

>  
> 
> A theory: A student saw the postings, told his/her parents, who complained to 
> the school, citing the recent Alabama shootings, which felt it had to "do 
> something" to show that it was taking the matter as seriously as the parent 
> demanded. 
> 
> Chris
> -- 
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> Department of Psychology
> York University
> Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
> Canada
>  
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> chri...@yorku.ca
> http://www.yorku.ca/christo/
> ==
> 
> =
> 
> Helweg-Larsen, Marie wrote:
>> 
>> Yes it is surprising that people don't have common sense (my daughter's high 
>> school FB friends repeatedly post detailed pictures on FB of their underage 
>> drinking and drug use). But is suspension for the professor (or any 
>> employee) really necessary! What about just a normal "chat" by the dean (or 
>> whomever) reminding the professor about how public facebook is. Gesh - 
>> imagine if people had to be suspended every time they didn't make a good 
>> choice or made a minor error.
>> 
>> Marie 
>> 
>> 
>> Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
>> Department Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
>> Kaufman 168, Dickinson College
>> Carlisle, PA 17013, office (717) 245-1562, fax (717) 245-1971
>> Office hours: Mon & Wed 2-3:30
>> http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html
>> ********
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Penley, Julie [mailto:jpen...@epcc.edu] 
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:56 PM
>> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
>> Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>> 
>> It's like that old commercial...they tell two friends, and they tell two 
>> friends, and so on and so on. I'm not a FB expert but, while Gadsden's posts 
>> wouldn't be seen by non-friends, I believe comments to her posts would be 
>> visible to the poster's friends. Right?
>> 
>> Depending on where she's doing her FB'ing, universities have the legal 
>> authority to monitor employee's computer use.
>> 
>> Although a lack of common sense isn't a crime, this case is a good example 
>> of why people should think twice about what they post on social networking 
>> sites. It's hard to convey humor (or sarcasm or whatever she was going for) 
>> in writing.
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Julie A. Penley, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor of Psychology
>> Special Assistant to the Dean
>> El Paso Community College
>> PO Box 20500
>> El Paso, TX 79998-0500
>> Office phone: (915) 831-3210
>> Department fax: (915) 831-2324 
>> email: jpen...@epcc.edu
>> webpage: http://www.epcc.edu/facultypages/jpenley
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Smith [mailto:tipsl...@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:44 PM
>> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
>> Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>> 
>> I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
>> relevant people otherwise how would they have it

Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread michael sylvester 


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Smith" 
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 


Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting





Reminds me of the state of affairs in communist dictatorships where a
person cannot speak their mind in public, especially if it's critical
of the government. But I suppose that's not right. After all, in the
Americas we can speak our mind if we wish even if the voice is
critical. I mean, you can even criticize the President of the US, and
God knows you can surely criticize the Canadian Prime Minister.

So surely there is no problem with criticising the administration of a
school. I mean it's not like they can take away your livelihood like
they can in a communist country.

--Mike


Mike: This is not correct.There was freedom of speech in the Soviet 
Union.However there was no freedom "after" speech.


Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD
Daytona Beach,Florida


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Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Michael Smith 
Perhaps we should be worried about joining the 'facebook group for
tired teachers' (I'm sure the membership list can be had), or perhaps
Chris should be worried for posting it.

Reminds me of the state of affairs in communist dictatorships where a
person cannot speak their mind in public, especially if it's critical
of the government. But I suppose that's not right. After all, in the
Americas we can speak our mind if we wish even if the voice is
critical. I mean, you can even criticize the President of the US, and
God knows you can surely criticize the Canadian Prime Minister.

So surely there is no problem with criticising the administration of a
school. I mean it's not like they can take away your livelihood like
they can in a communist country.

--Mike

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RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Mike Palij 
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:13:07 -0800,  Marie Helweg-Larsen wrote:
>It appears (according to the news paper article) that the dean did have a 10 
>min collegial chat with the professor (and other administrators) and then 
>suspended her. I wonder how the university determined that she was a threat 
>(and such a threat that a security guard escorted her off the premises).
  
I too have no additional information about the situation but I think
the following may be relevant:

(1)  The professor in question is an African-American woman who had
apparently caused some "concern" for the school's administrators.  Quoting
the article:

|Gadsden also said the Facebook-based suspension had roots in a 
|2008 incident, when she published an essay in The Chronicle of Higher 
|Education that was critical of what she saw as inadequate efforts to retain 
|minority faculty on university campuses.
|
|In that essay, Gadsden, who is black, cited poor treatment by students 
|at several campuses where she'd worked.
|
|She said one student called her "the N-word while passing me in the hall," 
|while another threw something at her as she went to her car, among other 
|examples.
|
|"I was trying to be very careful and not mention any names of institutions," 
|she said of the essay. "I was really writing about a larger issue that a 
number 
|of institutions have. ... I was never suggesting it was just ESU or anything 
|like that."
|
|Gadsden said the letter resulted in three sometimes tense meetings — one 
|with ESU's president and two with top administrators. They proposed 
|forming a committee to reach out to faculty of color, but nothing happened, 
|she said. She also said the letter sparked other tensions internally.

Nothing puts a faculty person in better with the adminstration than the 
"hint" that they may be less than fair.  "Disgruntled employee" today takes
on additional meaning which administrators will be quick to seize as
a justification for their actions.

(2) The Representativeness Heuristic:  I would not be surprised if the
administrators relied upon their "gut feeling" (tm Gerd Gigerenzer) to
come to a "fast and frugal" decision that there were enough "features"
or "aspects" to Gadsden to make her an adequate match to what they
might consider to be "trouble-maker" faculty.  And as we all now know,
we all must now be hypervigilent for trouble-maker faculty.  

(3)  Confirmation Bias:  see, she gets suspended and what does she do?
She make a public issue of this by going to the press.  Is there anything
that makes one a trouble-maker than going to the news media about
being "allegedly" wronged?  The administration is probably patting 
themselvs on the back that they suspended her before she could bring
to campus a tactical nuclear weapon.  

There are probably additional cognitive biases and heuristcs at work.
It would probably be a useful exercise to determine how many influenced
a decision when the decision-maker thought that they were being 
measured and rational in their decision-making.

>I don't know anything about this case specifically. I worry that throwing 
>the book on every possible incidence is a distraction away from the actual 
>serious (and extremely rare) incidence of workplace violence.

There is real problem in predicting violence because it is hard to see
it coming (it often involves people that seem like such unlikely candidates;
one reason why serial killers seem to be so successful is because they
appear to be so normal rather than the monsters we imagine such people
to be)  but after the "I knew it all along heuristc" kicks in, it is hard 
not to think that one should have seen it coming.

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu


-Original Message-
From: Anthony Golden [mailto:anthonygol...@gnomewebs.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:54 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

While I was sitting in the waiting area at a small regional airport in
Virginia in the early 1970s, two young men sitting next to me were talking
in hushed tones about the bomb they were carrying.  I could see them smiling
and looking upward at a rather large microphone hanging from the ceiling by
a cord (airport security in the early days of our loss of innocence).
Within minutes both were handcuffed and being led away by police.

Laughing and winking (actually or virtually) while making a threat do not
necessarily make it any less real and we know how difficult it is to
interpret emotional intent even with adequate context.  Imagine how one of
us would feel if a student we barely knew walked into our office after
class, smiled, and while making a mock gun out of hand and fingers says
"Well Professor, that was a much better class today and I've

RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Helweg-Larsen, Marie 
It appears (according to the news paper article) that the dean did have a 10 
min collegial chat with the professor (and other administrators) and then 
suspended her. I wonder how the university determined that she was a threat 
(and such a threat that a security guard escorted her off the premises).
  
I don't know anything about this case specifically. I worry that throwing the 
book on every possible incidence is a distraction away from the actual serious 
(and extremely rare) incidence of workplace violence.

Marie

Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
Department Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
Kaufman 168, Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA 17013, office (717) 245-1562, fax (717) 245-1971
Office hours: Mon & Wed 2-3:30
http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html



-Original Message-
From: Anthony Golden [mailto:anthonygol...@gnomewebs.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:54 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

While I was sitting in the waiting area at a small regional airport in
Virginia in the early 1970s, two young men sitting next to me were talking
in hushed tones about the bomb they were carrying.  I could see them smiling
and looking upward at a rather large microphone hanging from the ceiling by
a cord (airport security in the early days of our loss of innocence).
Within minutes both were handcuffed and being led away by police.

Laughing and winking (actually or virtually) while making a threat do not
necessarily make it any less real and we know how difficult it is to
interpret emotional intent even with adequate context.  Imagine how one of
us would feel if a student we barely knew walked into our office after
class, smiled, and while making a mock gun out of hand and fingers says
"Well Professor, that was a much better class today and I've decided to hold
off killing you for a while."  

If a trained psychologist is unable to accurately evaluate the potential for
sudden aggressive violent behavior during an extensive interview or
protracted treatment, why should we expect a dean to be able to do so in a
collegial conversation.  Imagine trying to explain after the fact why no
action was taken toward an individual who made a threat and subsequently
carried it out.  

Tony


Anthony Golden, Ph.D.
PACAT Incorporated / NOMESys
866-680-2228
www.collegeoutcomes.com

-Original Message-
From: Helweg-Larsen, Marie [mailto:helw...@dickinson.edu] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:11 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

Yes it is surprising that people don't have common sense (my daughter's high
school FB friends repeatedly post detailed pictures on FB of their underage
drinking and drug use). But is suspension for the professor (or any
employee) really necessary! What about just a normal "chat" by the dean (or
whomever) reminding the professor about how public facebook is. Gesh -
imagine if people had to be suspended every time they didn't make a good
choice or made a minor error.

Marie 


Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
Department Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
Kaufman 168, Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA 17013, office (717) 245-1562, fax (717) 245-1971
Office hours: Mon & Wed 2-3:30
http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html



-Original Message-
From: Penley, Julie [mailto:jpen...@epcc.edu] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:56 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

It's like that old commercial...they tell two friends, and they tell two
friends, and so on and so on. I'm not a FB expert but, while Gadsden's posts
wouldn't be seen by non-friends, I believe comments to her posts would be
visible to the poster's friends. Right?

Depending on where she's doing her FB'ing, universities have the legal
authority to monitor employee's computer use.

Although a lack of common sense isn't a crime, this case is a good example
of why people should think twice about what they post on social networking
sites. It's hard to convey humor (or sarcasm or whatever she was going for)
in writing.

Julie

 

Julie A. Penley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Psychology
Special Assistant to the Dean
El Paso Community College
PO Box 20500
El Paso, TX 79998-0500
Office phone: (915) 831-3210
Department fax: (915) 831-2324 
email: jpen...@epcc.edu
webpage: http://www.epcc.edu/facultypages/jpenley


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Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:44 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)

Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread michael sylvester 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Palij" 
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 


Cc: "Mike Palij" 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting


To give one a sense of how "over sensitive" parents are as well as
how facebook gives parents a basis to compalin to the "powers
that be", consider this local NY State story where all of the
schools in a school dirstrict were closed down because a parent thought
that the word "combine" had something to do with "Columbine".
See:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/NY-School-District-Shut-Down-Over-Facebook-Misunderstanding-85831412.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/y8hkovo

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu

And consider a biker bar in Daytona Beach that had the sign NO COLORS
at the entrance.The NAACP was about to sue and close the establishment until 
they realized that the sign meant that the bar owner did not  want bikers 
displaying their colors on their jackets-for obvious reasons,of course.


Michael "omnicentric"Sylvester,PhD
Bike Week Daytona,Florida 



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[tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Mike Palij 
To give one a sense of how "over sensitive" parents are as well as
how facebook gives parents a basis to compalin to the "powers
that be", consider this local NY State story where all of the
schools in a school dirstrict were closed down because a parent thought
that the word "combine" had something to do with "Columbine".
See:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/NY-School-District-Shut-Down-Over-Facebook-Misunderstanding-85831412.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/y8hkovo 

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu 

--- Original Message--
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:44:45 -0800, Edward Pollak wrote:
>Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>
>East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology 
>professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that 
>apparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record
< http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100226/NEWS/2260344 >
>reported. One comment was about wanting to hire a hit man. Another 
>said "had a good day today, DIDN'T want to kill even one student :-). 
>Now Friday was a different story." Gadsden said that in the meeting 
>where she was told of the suspension, a dean referenced last month's 
>murders at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. Gadsden said that 
>the humor was clear to her Facebook friends and she doesn't know 
>why the university was monitoring her account. University officials 
>said that they did not routinely monitor Facebook accounts and that 
>they couldn't discuss details of Gadsden's case.

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RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Anthony Golden 
While I was sitting in the waiting area at a small regional airport in
Virginia in the early 1970s, two young men sitting next to me were talking
in hushed tones about the bomb they were carrying.  I could see them smiling
and looking upward at a rather large microphone hanging from the ceiling by
a cord (airport security in the early days of our loss of innocence).
Within minutes both were handcuffed and being led away by police.

Laughing and winking (actually or virtually) while making a threat do not
necessarily make it any less real and we know how difficult it is to
interpret emotional intent even with adequate context.  Imagine how one of
us would feel if a student we barely knew walked into our office after
class, smiled, and while making a mock gun out of hand and fingers says
"Well Professor, that was a much better class today and I've decided to hold
off killing you for a while."  

If a trained psychologist is unable to accurately evaluate the potential for
sudden aggressive violent behavior during an extensive interview or
protracted treatment, why should we expect a dean to be able to do so in a
collegial conversation.  Imagine trying to explain after the fact why no
action was taken toward an individual who made a threat and subsequently
carried it out.  

Tony


Anthony Golden, Ph.D.
PACAT Incorporated / NOMESys
866-680-2228
www.collegeoutcomes.com

-Original Message-
From: Helweg-Larsen, Marie [mailto:helw...@dickinson.edu] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:11 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

Yes it is surprising that people don't have common sense (my daughter's high
school FB friends repeatedly post detailed pictures on FB of their underage
drinking and drug use). But is suspension for the professor (or any
employee) really necessary! What about just a normal "chat" by the dean (or
whomever) reminding the professor about how public facebook is. Gesh -
imagine if people had to be suspended every time they didn't make a good
choice or made a minor error.

Marie 


Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
Department Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
Kaufman 168, Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA 17013, office (717) 245-1562, fax (717) 245-1971
Office hours: Mon & Wed 2-3:30
http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html



-Original Message-
From: Penley, Julie [mailto:jpen...@epcc.edu] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:56 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

It's like that old commercial...they tell two friends, and they tell two
friends, and so on and so on. I'm not a FB expert but, while Gadsden's posts
wouldn't be seen by non-friends, I believe comments to her posts would be
visible to the poster's friends. Right?

Depending on where she's doing her FB'ing, universities have the legal
authority to monitor employee's computer use.

Although a lack of common sense isn't a crime, this case is a good example
of why people should think twice about what they post on social networking
sites. It's hard to convey humor (or sarcasm or whatever she was going for)
in writing.

Julie

 

Julie A. Penley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Psychology
Special Assistant to the Dean
El Paso Community College
PO Box 20500
El Paso, TX 79998-0500
Office phone: (915) 831-3210
Department fax: (915) 831-2324 
email: jpen...@epcc.edu
webpage: http://www.epcc.edu/facultypages/jpenley


-Original Message-
From: Michael Smith [mailto:tipsl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:44 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
relevant people otherwise how would they have it if it was only
visible to her friends? (admitting I don't really know much about
facebook).

Is freedom of speech still alive?

--Mike

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Pollak, Edward  wrote:
>
>
> Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>
> East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology
> professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that
> apparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record reported. One comment
was
> about wanting to hire a hit man. Another said "had a good day today,
DIDN'T
> want to kill even one student :-). Now Friday was a different story."
> Gadsden said that in the meeting where she was told of the suspension, a
> dean referenced last month's murders at the University of Alabama in
> Huntsville. Gadsden said that the humor was clear to her Facebook friends
> and she doesn't know why the univer

Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread drnanjo 

I do vent on Facebook about work...but nothing I wouldn't say in public at 
school. For example, a recent post I made about a student who had earned a D 
being given a second chance to turn in missing work. Said student became 
incensed when I refused to accept only part of what I required of him in order 
to change the grade, and threatened to report me to the College President - for 
what, I still don't understand, but anyway,  since he alleged that I violated 
his rights (didn't explain which) I posted that he had violated my right not to 
be driven crazy by students and then quipped that that right did not exist 
either.

The student was not a "Facebook Friend" and only former students and other 
facutly would have seen it.

Other than that, it is my personal space and I talk about my personal life away 
from school. If people want to be my Facebook friend, they will read about my 
personal life.

I would agree that, given that we just had a professor generated school 
shooting, joking about killing students seems to be very poor judgment indeed.

I am not sure I have 100% great judgment always but I feel that my 
understanding of my right to use that space as I see fit is appropriate. I 
would not joke about killing students - having been on campuses where students 
have died (accidently) I wouldn't be able to laugh or joke about that. 

Nancy Melucci

Long Beach City College
Long Beach California






-Original Message-
From: Christopher D. Green 
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) 
Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting


 

A theory: A student saw the postings, told his/her parents, who complained to 
the school, citing the recent Alabama shootings, which felt it had to "do 
something" to show that it was taking the matter as seriously as the parent 
demanded. 

Chris
-- 

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada
 
416-736-2100 ex. 66164
chri...@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/christo/
==

=

Helweg-Larsen, Marie wrote: 
Yes it is surprising that people don't have common sense (my daughter's high 
school FB friends repeatedly post detailed pictures on FB of their underage 
drinking and drug use). But is suspension for the professor (or any employee) 
really necessary! What about just a normal "chat" by the dean (or whomever) 
reminding the professor about how public facebook is. Gesh - imagine if people 
had to be suspended every time they didn't make a good choice or made a minor 
error.
Marie 

arie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
epartment Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
aufman 168, Dickinson College
arlisle, PA 17013, office (717) 245-1562, fax (717) 245-1971
ffice hours: Mon & Wed 2-3:30
ttp://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html
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Original Message-
rom: Penley, Julie [mailto:jpen...@epcc.edu] 
ent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:56 PM
o: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
ubject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
It's like that old commercial...they tell two friends, and they tell two 
friends, and so on and so on. I'm not a FB expert but, while Gadsden's posts 
wouldn't be seen by non-friends, I believe comments to her posts would be 
visible to the poster's friends. Right?
Depending on where she's doing her FB'ing, universities have the legal 
authority to monitor employee's computer use.
Although a lack of common sense isn't a crime, this case is a good example of 
why people should think twice about what they post on social networking sites. 
It's hard to convey humor (or sarcasm or whatever she was going for) in writing.
Julie
 
Julie A. Penley, Ph.D.
ssociate Professor of Psychology
pecial Assistant to the Dean
l Paso Community College
O Box 20500
l Paso, TX 79998-0500
ffice phone: (915) 831-3210
epartment fax: (915) 831-2324 
mail: jpen...@epcc.edu
ebpage: http://www.epcc.edu/facultypages/jpenley

Original Message-
rom: Michael Smith [mailto:tipsl...@gmail.com] 
ent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:44 PM
o: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
ubject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
elevant people otherwise how would they have it if it was only
isible to her friends? (admitting I don't really know much about
acebook).
Is freedom of speech still alive?
--Mike
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Pollak, Edward  wrote:
 

Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology
rofessor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that
pparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record reported. One com

Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Christopher D. Green 
A theory: A student saw the postings, told his/her parents, who 
complained to the school, citing the recent Alabama shootings, which 
felt it had to "do something" to show that it was taking the matter as 
seriously as the parent demanded.

Chris
-- 

Christopher D. Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
Canada

 

416-736-2100 ex. 66164
chri...@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/christo/

==


=

Helweg-Larsen, Marie wrote:
> Yes it is surprising that people don't have common sense (my daughter's high 
> school FB friends repeatedly post detailed pictures on FB of their underage 
> drinking and drug use). But is suspension for the professor (or any employee) 
> really necessary! What about just a normal "chat" by the dean (or whomever) 
> reminding the professor about how public facebook is. Gesh - imagine if 
> people had to be suspended every time they didn't make a good choice or made 
> a minor error.
>
> Marie 
>
> 
> Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
> Department Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
> Kaufman 168, Dickinson College
> Carlisle, PA 17013, office (717) 245-1562, fax (717) 245-1971
> Office hours: Mon & Wed 2-3:30
> http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html
> 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Penley, Julie [mailto:jpen...@epcc.edu] 
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:56 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>
> It's like that old commercial...they tell two friends, and they tell two 
> friends, and so on and so on. I'm not a FB expert but, while Gadsden's posts 
> wouldn't be seen by non-friends, I believe comments to her posts would be 
> visible to the poster's friends. Right?
>
> Depending on where she's doing her FB'ing, universities have the legal 
> authority to monitor employee's computer use.
>
> Although a lack of common sense isn't a crime, this case is a good example of 
> why people should think twice about what they post on social networking 
> sites. It's hard to convey humor (or sarcasm or whatever she was going for) 
> in writing.
>
> Julie
>
>  
>
> Julie A. Penley, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Psychology
> Special Assistant to the Dean
> El Paso Community College
> PO Box 20500
> El Paso, TX 79998-0500
> Office phone: (915) 831-3210
> Department fax: (915) 831-2324 
> email: jpen...@epcc.edu
> webpage: http://www.epcc.edu/facultypages/jpenley
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Smith [mailto:tipsl...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:44 PM
> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
> Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>
> I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
> relevant people otherwise how would they have it if it was only
> visible to her friends? (admitting I don't really know much about
> facebook).
>
> Is freedom of speech still alive?
>
> --Mike
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Pollak, Edward  wrote:
>   
>> Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>>
>> East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology
>> professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that
>> apparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record reported. One comment was
>> about wanting to hire a hit man. Another said "had a good day today, DIDN'T
>> want to kill even one student :-). Now Friday was a different story."
>> Gadsden said that in the meeting where she was told of the suspension, a
>> dean referenced last month's murders at the University of Alabama in
>> Huntsville. Gadsden said that the humor was clear to her Facebook friends
>> and she doesn't know why the university was monitoring her account.
>> University officials said that they did not routinely monitor Facebook
>> accounts and that they couldn't discuss details of Gadsden's case.
>>
>> See
>> http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100226/NEWS/2260344
>>
>>
>>
>> Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
>>
>> Department of Psychology
>>
>> West Chester University of Pennsylvania
>>
>> epol...@wcupa.edu
>>
>> 
>>
>> Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in
>> approximate order of importance.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>

RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread taylor 

AND why we need to keep reminding students about this!

Annette

Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D.
Professor of Psychology
University of San Diego
5998 Alcala Park
San Diego, CA 92110
619-260-4006
tay...@sandiego.edu


 Original message 
>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:56:06 -0700
>From: "Penley, Julie"   
>Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting  
>To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" 
>
>
>It's like that old commercial...they tell two friends, and they tell two 
>friends, and so on and so on. I'm not a FB expert but, while Gadsden's posts 
>wouldn't be seen by non-friends, I believe comments to her posts would be 
>visible to the poster's friends. Right?
>
>Depending on where she's doing her FB'ing, universities have the legal 
>authority to monitor employee's computer use.
>
>Although a lack of common sense isn't a crime, this case is a good example of 
>why people should think twice about what they post on social networking sites. 
>It's hard to convey humor (or sarcasm or whatever she was going for) in 
>writing.
>
>Julie
>
> 
>
>Julie A. Penley, Ph.D.
>Associate Professor of Psychology
>Special Assistant to the Dean
>El Paso Community College
>PO Box 20500
>El Paso, TX 79998-0500
>Office phone: (915) 831-3210
>Department fax: (915) 831-2324 
>email: jpen...@epcc.edu
>webpage: http://www.epcc.edu/facultypages/jpenley
>
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: Michael Smith [mailto:tipsl...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:44 PM
>To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
>Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>
>I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
>relevant people otherwise how would they have it if it was only
>visible to her friends? (admitting I don't really know much about
>facebook).
>
>Is freedom of speech still alive?
>
>--Mike
>
>On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Pollak, Edward  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>>
>> East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology
>> professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that
>> apparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record reported. One comment was
>> about wanting to hire a hit man. Another said "had a good day today, DIDN'T
>> want to kill even one student :-). Now Friday was a different story."
>> Gadsden said that in the meeting where she was told of the suspension, a
>> dean referenced last month's murders at the University of Alabama in
>> Huntsville. Gadsden said that the humor was clear to her Facebook friends
>> and she doesn't know why the university was monitoring her account.
>> University officials said that they did not routinely monitor Facebook
>> accounts and that they couldn't discuss details of Gadsden's case.
>>
>> See
>> http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100226/NEWS/2260344
>>
>>
>>
>> Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
>>
>> Department of Psychology
>>
>> West Chester University of Pennsylvania
>>
>> epol...@wcupa.edu
>>
>> 
>>
>> Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in
>> approximate order of importance.
>>
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Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Paul Brandon 

General FB principle:
Anything that your friends know; their friends know, and so on ...

On Mar 1, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Michael Smith wrote:


I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
relevant people otherwise how would they have it if it was only
visible to her friends? (admitting I don't really know much about
facebook).

Is freedom of speech still alive?

--Mike

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Pollak, Edward   
wrote:



Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology
professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that
apparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record reported. One  
comment was
about wanting to hire a hit man. Another said "had a good day  
today, DIDN'T

want to kill even one student :-). Now Friday was a different story."
Gadsden said that in the meeting where she was told of the  
suspension, a

dean referenced last month's murders at the University of Alabama in
Huntsville. Gadsden said that the humor was clear to her Facebook  
friends

and she doesn't know why the university was monitoring her account.
University officials said that they did not routinely monitor  
Facebook

accounts and that they couldn't discuss details of Gadsden's case.

See
http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100226/ 
NEWS/2260344




Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.

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RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Helweg-Larsen, Marie 
Yes it is surprising that people don't have common sense (my daughter's high 
school FB friends repeatedly post detailed pictures on FB of their underage 
drinking and drug use). But is suspension for the professor (or any employee) 
really necessary! What about just a normal "chat" by the dean (or whomever) 
reminding the professor about how public facebook is. Gesh - imagine if people 
had to be suspended every time they didn't make a good choice or made a minor 
error.

Marie 


Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
Department Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
Kaufman 168, Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA 17013, office (717) 245-1562, fax (717) 245-1971
Office hours: Mon & Wed 2-3:30
http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html



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From: Penley, Julie [mailto:jpen...@epcc.edu] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:56 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

It's like that old commercial...they tell two friends, and they tell two 
friends, and so on and so on. I'm not a FB expert but, while Gadsden's posts 
wouldn't be seen by non-friends, I believe comments to her posts would be 
visible to the poster's friends. Right?

Depending on where she's doing her FB'ing, universities have the legal 
authority to monitor employee's computer use.

Although a lack of common sense isn't a crime, this case is a good example of 
why people should think twice about what they post on social networking sites. 
It's hard to convey humor (or sarcasm or whatever she was going for) in writing.

Julie

 

Julie A. Penley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Psychology
Special Assistant to the Dean
El Paso Community College
PO Box 20500
El Paso, TX 79998-0500
Office phone: (915) 831-3210
Department fax: (915) 831-2324 
email: jpen...@epcc.edu
webpage: http://www.epcc.edu/facultypages/jpenley


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From: Michael Smith [mailto:tipsl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:44 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
relevant people otherwise how would they have it if it was only
visible to her friends? (admitting I don't really know much about
facebook).

Is freedom of speech still alive?

--Mike

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Pollak, Edward  wrote:
>
>
> Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>
> East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology
> professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that
> apparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record reported. One comment was
> about wanting to hire a hit man. Another said "had a good day today, DIDN'T
> want to kill even one student :-). Now Friday was a different story."
> Gadsden said that in the meeting where she was told of the suspension, a
> dean referenced last month's murders at the University of Alabama in
> Huntsville. Gadsden said that the humor was clear to her Facebook friends
> and she doesn't know why the university was monitoring her account.
> University officials said that they did not routinely monitor Facebook
> accounts and that they couldn't discuss details of Gadsden's case.
>
> See
> http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100226/NEWS/2260344
>
>
>
> Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
>
> Department of Psychology
>
> West Chester University of Pennsylvania
>
> epol...@wcupa.edu
>
> 
>
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RE: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Penley, Julie 
It's like that old commercial...they tell two friends, and they tell two 
friends, and so on and so on. I'm not a FB expert but, while Gadsden's posts 
wouldn't be seen by non-friends, I believe comments to her posts would be 
visible to the poster's friends. Right?

Depending on where she's doing her FB'ing, universities have the legal 
authority to monitor employee's computer use.

Although a lack of common sense isn't a crime, this case is a good example of 
why people should think twice about what they post on social networking sites. 
It's hard to convey humor (or sarcasm or whatever she was going for) in writing.

Julie

 

Julie A. Penley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Psychology
Special Assistant to the Dean
El Paso Community College
PO Box 20500
El Paso, TX 79998-0500
Office phone: (915) 831-3210
Department fax: (915) 831-2324 
email: jpen...@epcc.edu
webpage: http://www.epcc.edu/facultypages/jpenley


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From: Michael Smith [mailto:tipsl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 1:44 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
relevant people otherwise how would they have it if it was only
visible to her friends? (admitting I don't really know much about
facebook).

Is freedom of speech still alive?

--Mike

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Pollak, Edward  wrote:
>
>
> Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>
> East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology
> professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that
> apparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record reported. One comment was
> about wanting to hire a hit man. Another said "had a good day today, DIDN'T
> want to kill even one student :-). Now Friday was a different story."
> Gadsden said that in the meeting where she was told of the suspension, a
> dean referenced last month's murders at the University of Alabama in
> Huntsville. Gadsden said that the humor was clear to her Facebook friends
> and she doesn't know why the university was monitoring her account.
> University officials said that they did not routinely monitor Facebook
> accounts and that they couldn't discuss details of Gadsden's case.
>
> See
> http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100226/NEWS/2260344
>
>
>
> Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
>
> Department of Psychology
>
> West Chester University of Pennsylvania
>
> epol...@wcupa.edu
>
> 
>
> Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in
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Re: [tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Michael Smith 
I suppose one of her 'friends' must have supplied the postings to the
relevant people otherwise how would they have it if it was only
visible to her friends? (admitting I don't really know much about
facebook).

Is freedom of speech still alive?

--Mike

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Pollak, Edward  wrote:
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> Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting
>
> East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology
> professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that
> apparently were taken seriously, The Pocono Record reported. One comment was
> about wanting to hire a hit man. Another said "had a good day today, DIDN'T
> want to kill even one student :-). Now Friday was a different story."
> Gadsden said that in the meeting where she was told of the suspension, a
> dean referenced last month's murders at the University of Alabama in
> Huntsville. Gadsden said that the humor was clear to her Facebook friends
> and she doesn't know why the university was monitoring her account.
> University officials said that they did not routinely monitor Facebook
> accounts and that they couldn't discuss details of Gadsden's case.
>
> See
> http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100226/NEWS/2260344
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> Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
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> Department of Psychology
>
> West Chester University of Pennsylvania
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> epol...@wcupa.edu
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[tips] Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

2010-03-01 Thread Pollak, Edward 
Professor Suspended Over Facebook Venting

East Stroudsburg University has suspended Gloria Gadsden, a sociology 
professor, for joking comments she posted on her Facebook page that apparently 
were taken seriously, The Pocono 
Record
 reported. One comment was about wanting to hire a hit man. Another said "had a 
good day today, DIDN'T want to kill even one student :-). Now Friday was a 
different story." Gadsden said that in the meeting where she was told of the 
suspension, a dean referenced last month's murders at the University of Alabama 
in Huntsville. Gadsden said that the humor was clear to her Facebook friends 
and she doesn't know why the university was monitoring her account. University 
officials said that they did not routinely monitor Facebook accounts and that 
they couldn't discuss details of Gadsden's case.

See http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100226/NEWS/2260344

Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
West Chester University of Pennsylvania
epol...@wcupa.edu

Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist, & bluegrass fiddler.. in 
approximate order of importance.


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