Re: [tips] Science medalists?

[Joan Warmbold]

It would be interesting to compare the number of medals for scientific
achievements have been bestowed during various administrations.  It would
not seem too cynical to suspect that respect that a particular
administration has for science might influence this, would it?

Joan
jwarm...@oakton.edu

> Behavioral Science is one of the categories. The list is here:
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Medal_of_Science_laureates
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Froman
> rfro...@jbu.edu
>
> On Jan 5, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Gerald Peterson
> > wrote:
>
> I learned that Bandura is getting the national medal of scienceI
> Wonder how many psychologists have received this honor?
>
>
> G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
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Re: [tips] Science medalists?

[Kenneth Steele]

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Mike Palij  wrote:
> 
> 
> (2) However, in spite of BSS not being a valid category until 1980,
> the list of NMS laureates in the list linked to below has as its
> first entry in this category as Neal Miller in 1964.  Skinner comes
> in 1968.  However, Neal Miller is officially in BSS while Skinner
> is in "Biological Sciences" (note the footnote in the Wiki list).
> IMHO, I think the NSF got it backwards for these two
> 
> 
> -Mike Palij
> New York University
> m...@nyu.edu 

Hi Mike:

Respectfully, I disagree with your assessment.  Skinner’s dissertation was 
concerned with the definition of “reflex” which he concluded was best 
considered as a reliable correlation between stimulus and response.  Both 
Lorenz and Tinbergen followed very similar paths (i.e., Fixed Action Patterns; 
although Tinbergen was much more concerned with mechanism).

Skinner, as far as I can tell, always considered himself a whole-organism 
biologist, as distinct from a reductionist biologist.  He was closer to field 
ecology and eschewed slice and dice anatomy.

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Re: [tips] Science medalists?

[Mike Palij]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:25:42 -0800, Kenneth Steele wrote:

On Jan 6, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Mike Palij  wrote:


(2) However, in spite of BSS not being a valid category until 1980,
the list of NMS laureates in the list linked to below has as its
first entry in this category as Neal Miller in 1964.  Skinner comes
in 1968.  However, Neal Miller is officially in BSS while Skinner
is in "Biological Sciences" (note the footnote in the Wiki list).
IMHO, I think the NSF got it backwards for these two


Hi Mike:


Hi Ken,

Respectfully, I disagree with your assessment.  Skinner's dissertation 
was

concerned with the definition of "reflex" which he concluded was best
considered as a reliable correlation between stimulus and response. 
Both
Lorenz and Tinbergen followed very similar paths (i.e., Fixed Action 
Patterns;

although Tinbergen was much more concerned with mechanism).


For the record, this is the dissertation you're referring to, right?
Skinner, Burrhus Frederic (1931) The Concept of the Reflex in the 
Description
of Behavior. . Harvard University, ProQuest Dissertations Publishing, 
0304318.


A form of which was published in the following reference:

Skinner, B. F. (1931). The concept of the reflex in the description of 
behavior.

The Journal of General Psychology, 5(4), 427-458.

Which was reprinted in Skinner's "Cumulative Record" (pp321-346),
a copy of which I think I swiped from your website in a Google search. 
;-)


All this leads to the point that I am very confident that I read this 
paper a
long time ago (because I read all of "Cumulative Record" as an 
undergrad)

but don't exactly remember what it is about.  However, let me suggest
a later paper that Skinner wrote, the reference is the following:

Skinner, B. F. (1998/2013). The experimental analysis of operant 
behavior:
A history. In R.W. Rieber and K. Salzinger (eds.) Psychology, 
Theoretical/historical

perspectives, (pp289-298) Academic Press.

And this chapter can be read (most of it anyway) on books.google.com at
the following ungodly URL:
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en==yfFFBQAAQBAJ=fnd=PA191=Y0yRT6WrMi=XbTnNtPbrjIJ-r4aZgs2-Byg_i4#v=onepage=false

The chapter provides Skinner's memory about his intellectual development
as an undergraduate to his dissertation and how his conception of the 
reflex
differed from others, especially in a particular example.where he 
contrasts
it with Tolman's conception.  He goes over an equation that 
characterizes
both his and Tolman's conception of how behavior/performance is a 
function
several different factors (e.g., genetics, prior training, etc.) and 
Skinner points
out that the key difference between he and Tolman was that Tolman 
assumed
that a couple of these factors were cognitive while Skinner thought that 
they

were environmental.  He even mentions how "reductionist" the traditional
neurophysiology folks were in contrast to his view of 
organism-environment
interactionism.  I think that this chapter better captures Skinner's 
view of

what he was trying to do throughout his life and explains where his
anti-cognitive and anti-biological reductionism comes from (the latter 
being
a traditional view in the biological sciences which accommodates Neal 
Miller
and makes him more of the "biologist" than Skinner, hence my comment 
that

I thought that the NSF got the disciplines wrong).

Skinner, as far as I can tell, always considered himself a 
whole-organism
biologist, as distinct from a reductionist biologist.  He was closer to 
field

ecology and eschewed slice and dice anatomy.


Well, the chapter I refer to above, I think, shows Skinner being more
concerned with organism-environment interactions and putting into the
environment those variables and factors that others would either put 
into

the neurophysiology of the organism or its cognitive system.

But I'm a lapsed behaviorist so what do I know? ;-)

-Mike Palij
New York University
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P.S.  I'm surprised no one has mentioned that I can't count. ;-)




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Re: [tips] Science medalists relative to political party of the administration

[Joan Warmbold]

Mike,

Appreciate your information about Skinner vs. Miller relative to how they
each were categorized relative to their scientific achievements.  Clearly,
since Miller is strongly recognized for his work on the brain and the
pleasure centers, he logically could be listed within the field of
biological sciences. In contrast, the fact that Skinner is psychology's
premier behaviorist, to have had him listed under Biological Sciences is
laughable. Since he was still alive, it's surprising he made no efforts to
correct this designation.  Check out the obituary for Skinner in the NYT's
titled "B.F. Skinner, the Champion of Behaviorism, dies at age 86."  It is
amazingly fair, thorough and complimentary.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/20/obituaries/b-f-skinner-the-champion-of-behaviorism-is-dead-at-86.html?pagewanted=all

As you point out Mike, the political parties of administrations only seem
relative to the number of honors given for achievement in the Behavioral &
Social Sciences, with the three Democrat administrations averaging 4.7
nominations vs. the three Republicans averaging 3.3 nominations.

Just as a side note, when might one of the premier climate change
scientists be given any honor within the US for their scientific
contributions?  Probably only after all of our planet's icebergs have
melted.


Cheers,
Joan
jwarm...@oakton.edu






> On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 10:29:02 -0800, Joan Warmbold wrote:
>>It would be interesting to compare the number of medals for scientific
>>achievements have been bestowed during various administrations.
>>It would not seem too cynical to suspect that respect that a particular
>>administration has for science might influence this, would it?
>
> Maybe, but the situation may not be as simple as whether an
> administration is friendly to science or not.  Let's consider the
> situation for NMS recipient  in the "Behavioral & Social Sciences".
> Consider the following:
>
> (1) According to the website for National Medal of Science, the
> "Behavioral & Social Sciences" (BSS) was not officially recognized
> until 1980 (Congress made it so; see:
> https://www.nsf.gov/od/nms/medal.jsp ).
>
> (2) However, in spite of BSS not being a valid category until 1980,
> the list of NMS laureates in the list linked to below has as its
> first entry in this category as Neal Miller in 1964.  Skinner comes
> in 1968.  However, Neal Miller is officially in BSS while Skinner
> is in "Biological Sciences" (note the footnote in the Wiki list).
> IMHO, I think the NSF got it backwards for these two
>
> (3) So, if we group the people in BSS who received NMS during
> different administrations, we get a list like the following:
> NOTE: There are a total of 23 NMS laureates on the Wiki list
> but it could be argued that others could be included such as
> Allen Newell [1992; Bush] who got it for Math/Stat/CompSci
> and Eric Kandel [1988; Reagan] who got it for Bio -- similar
> arguments can be made for others)
>
> NMS given by:
> Lyndon Johnson (D): 2 (Neal Miller, B.F. Skinner)
>
> Ronald Reagan (R): 3 (Herb Simon, Anne Anastasi, George Stigler,
> Milton Friedman; Reagan had a thing for economists)
>
> George W.H. Bush(R): 4 (Leonid Hurwicz, Patrick Suppes, George Miller,
> Eleanor Gibson)
>
> Bill Clinton (D): 7 (Robert K Merton, Roger Shepard, Paul Samuelson,
> Bill Estes, William Julius Wilson, Robert Solow, Gary Becker;
> NOTE:Clinton had someone else present the NMS for a few of these
> folks, such as Veep Al Gore)
>
> George W. Bush(R): 3 (Duncan Luce, Kenneth Arrow, Gordon Bower)
>
> Barack Obama(D): 5 (Mike Posner, Mortimer Mishkin, Anne Treisman,
> Robert Axelrod, Albert Bandura)
>
> Dems = 2 + 7 + 5 = 14
> Reps = 3 + 4 + 3 = 10
>
> If we eliminate the pre-1980 NMS recipients and count Allen Newell
> and Eric Kandel as part of the flock it becomes Dems 12 = Reps 12.
>
> Things that make one go "H"
>
> (4) For additional fun and games, one can download the list of all
> recipients as an Excel file that contains names, affiliation, discipline
> or
> area medal was awarded, award year, area of Nobel Prize won (remember,
> there is no Nobel prize for psychology), and, curiously, if the person
> is deceased (not sure what the "final" date for this list is); see:
> http://www.nsf.gov/od/nms/results.jsp?first_name=_year===2_name==all=sort_year_disc=all=all=2=all=1
>
> Altogether there are 498 recipients.   One can always import the Excel
> file into SPSS and then do various tests to see if there are significant
> difference among all disciplines across different administration (you
> folks know who you are).
>
> Gratuitous Sidenotes:
> (A) NYU has 7 NMS recipients (in Bio and Math), last one in 2010.
> (B) Eric Kandel and I used to have the same dentist (up at the Columbia
> Medical Center; the dentist taught in the dental school).  He also got
> his
> MD at the NYU Medical School.  Curiously, Albert Sabin, developer of
> the oral vaccine for polio, got the NMS but Jonas Salk who developed
> the 

Re: [tips] Science medalists?

[Mike Palij]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 10:29:02 -0800, Joan Warmbold wrote:

It would be interesting to compare the number of medals for scientific
achievements have been bestowed during various administrations.
It would not seem too cynical to suspect that respect that a particular
administration has for science might influence this, would it?


Maybe, but the situation may not be as simple as whether an
administration is friendly to science or not.  Let's consider the
situation for NMS recipient  in the "Behavioral & Social Sciences".
Consider the following:

(1) According to the website for National Medal of Science, the
"Behavioral & Social Sciences" (BSS) was not officially recognized
until 1980 (Congress made it so; see:
https://www.nsf.gov/od/nms/medal.jsp ).

(2) However, in spite of BSS not being a valid category until 1980,
the list of NMS laureates in the list linked to below has as its
first entry in this category as Neal Miller in 1964.  Skinner comes
in 1968.  However, Neal Miller is officially in BSS while Skinner
is in "Biological Sciences" (note the footnote in the Wiki list).
IMHO, I think the NSF got it backwards for these two

(3) So, if we group the people in BSS who received NMS during
different administrations, we get a list like the following:
NOTE: There are a total of 23 NMS laureates on the Wiki list
but it could be argued that others could be included such as
Allen Newell [1992; Bush] who got it for Math/Stat/CompSci
and Eric Kandel [1988; Reagan] who got it for Bio -- similar
arguments can be made for others)

NMS given by:
Lyndon Johnson (D): 2 (Neal Miller, B.F. Skinner)

Ronald Reagan (R): 3 (Herb Simon, Anne Anastasi, George Stigler,
Milton Friedman; Reagan had a thing for economists)

George W.H. Bush(R): 4 (Leonid Hurwicz, Patrick Suppes, George Miller,
Eleanor Gibson)

Bill Clinton (D): 7 (Robert K Merton, Roger Shepard, Paul Samuelson,
Bill Estes, William Julius Wilson, Robert Solow, Gary Becker;
NOTE:Clinton had someone else present the NMS for a few of these
folks, such as Veep Al Gore)

George W. Bush(R): 3 (Duncan Luce, Kenneth Arrow, Gordon Bower)

Barack Obama(D): 5 (Mike Posner, Mortimer Mishkin, Anne Treisman,
Robert Axelrod, Albert Bandura)

Dems = 2 + 7 + 5 = 14
Reps = 3 + 4 + 3 = 10

If we eliminate the pre-1980 NMS recipients and count Allen Newell
and Eric Kandel as part of the flock it becomes Dems 12 = Reps 12.

Things that make one go "H"

(4) For additional fun and games, one can download the list of all
recipients as an Excel file that contains names, affiliation, discipline 
or

area medal was awarded, award year, area of Nobel Prize won (remember,
there is no Nobel prize for psychology), and, curiously, if the person
is deceased (not sure what the "final" date for this list is); see:
http://www.nsf.gov/od/nms/results.jsp?first_name=_year===2_name==all=sort_year_disc=all=all=2=all=1

Altogether there are 498 recipients.   One can always import the Excel
file into SPSS and then do various tests to see if there are significant
difference among all disciplines across different administration (you
folks know who you are).

Gratuitous Sidenotes:
(A) NYU has 7 NMS recipients (in Bio and Math), last one in 2010.
(B) Eric Kandel and I used to have the same dentist (up at the Columbia
Medical Center; the dentist taught in the dental school).  He also got 
his

MD at the NYU Medical School.  Curiously, Albert Sabin, developer of
the oral vaccine for polio, got the NMS but Jonas Salk who developed
the first vaccine for polio did not (both worked at the NYU; see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NYU_School_of_Medicine_people#Notable_people ) 
.

Ignore guys like Agatston who created the "South Beach Diet".

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu



Rick Froman wrote:

Behavioral Science is one of the categories. The list is here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Medal_of_Science_laureates

On Jan 5, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Gerald Peterson


I learned that Bandura is getting the national medal of scienceI
Wonder how many psychologists have received this honor? 



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Re: [tips] Science medalists?

[Christopher Green]

There is an entire division of it dedicated to behavioral and social sciences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Medal_of_Science_laureates 

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> I learned that Bandura is getting the national medal of scienceI Wonder 
> how many psychologists have received this honor? 
> 
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Re: [tips] Science medalists?

[Rick Froman]

Behavioral Science is one of the categories. The list is here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Medal_of_Science_laureates

Rick

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On Jan 5, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Gerald Peterson 
> wrote:

I learned that Bandura is getting the national medal of scienceI Wonder how 
many psychologists have received this honor?


G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
Psychology@SVSU


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[tips] Science medalists?

[Gerald Peterson]

I learned that Bandura is getting the national medal of scienceI Wonder how 
many psychologists have received this honor? 

 
G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D
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Re: [tips] Science medalists?

[Claudia Stanny]

Ann Treisman received it recently. A photo of her with President Obama (and
Ann with her medal) was in the ppt of a speaker at NITOP this afternoon.
 :-)

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> Wonder how many psychologists have received this honor?
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