Re:[tips] crawling ability and reading
I don't have a reference & I don't have time to look for one as I have to leave in a few minutes to pick up the pizzas for my 2 YO granddaughter's birthday party. However, I remember a study from many years ago that reported a positive correlation between the duration of the crawling stage & IQ. Ed Edward I. Pollak, Ph.D. Professor emeritus Department of Psychology West Chester University of Pennsylvania Husband, father, grandfather, biopsychologist & bluegrass fiddler... in approximate order of importance --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11384 or send a blank email to leave-11384-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] Crawling ability and reading
Hi Carol (and others Summer Tipsters still on board), another lead into your inquiry might be Doman's Institute for the Achievement of Human Potential. I show my student excerpts from a show that is now a quite dated, but that shows parents in France applying Doman's using early and intensive exposition to cards of all kinds that are supposed to boost the child's intellectual development and help them reach a higher degree of intelligence. Nothing related to crawling. YET. Now, the astonishing thing is that CRAWLING turns to be the basis for the whole program: Doman contends that human development sums up the whole of species development, and since other species used to crawl, it is a natural stage of development for humans. But he goes further and contends that crawling "balances" and helps both sides of the brain to " synchronize" and coordinate. (He also uses a horizontal ladder to reproduce the ape's climbing to trees, again with the idea of helping intellectual functioning.) Doman runs (or ran) seminars during which he outlines and demonstrates his principles with the help of his family (his children run the institute, and his grandchildren do the crawling and give smart answers to difficult questions. The program is also extensively based on positive reinforcement (the child receive credit-points for each task they successfully accomplish, and by the end of the day, they get a reward of some kind or another). The idea behind the whole program is that the earlier the child is taught to read, write and calculate (or anything going from music to language or even the history of arts) the more intelligent he will become. And that mothers are the best teachers for their child (Doman's daughter says at one point "the worst mother at the worst of her day is still better than any other teacher because she loves her child...") >From what I could gather (see also Stephen Black's mail), Doman has a >background in physiotherapy and started with neurologically impaired children: >using intense stimulation and patterning, he saw some improvement in the >children he treated, so he thought he would apply the same principles to >"normal" children. Another lead might be the supposed link between postural/ body coordination and intelligence : it would seem that difficulty in coordination and balance is used by some as a criteria for detecting children with an Asperger's syndrome. Hope this helps. Philippe Gervaix College de Burier La Tour-de-Peilz Switzerland phil.gerv...@bluewin.ch --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11380 or send a blank email to leave-11380-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: re: [tips] crawling ability and reading
No! The Doman Delacato technique was the idea that peripheral stimulation would bring brain changes that could effectuate muscular development. Michael - Original Message - From: "Dr. Bob Wildblood" To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:29 AM Subject: Re: re: [tips] crawling ability and reading And then there is this one... Crawling and creeping patterns in relation to speech and reading. Author: Sharon Loretta Carney Publisher: 1967. Dissertation: Thesis (M.A.)--University of Montana. Edition/Format: Thesis/dissertation : Manuscript Archival Material : English Rating: (not yet rated) 0 with reviews - Be the first. Could this be related to a many year ago phenomenon such as the Doman-Delacato patterning technique? I understood that that theory was not held in high repute. . Robert W. Wildblood, PhD Adjunct Psychology Faculty Germanna Community College drb...@rcn.com --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: msylves...@copper.net. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13424.eb17e1c03643c971ab35c22d86587541&n=T&l=tips&o=11365 or send a blank email to leave-11365-13424.eb17e1c03643c971ab35c22d86587...@fsulist.frostburg.edu No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3755 - Release Date: 07/09/11 17:34:00 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11373 or send a blank email to leave-11373-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: re: [tips] crawling ability and reading
And then there is this one... Crawling and creeping patterns in relation to speech and reading. Author: Sharon Loretta Carney Publisher: 1967. Dissertation: Thesis (M.A.)--University of Montana. Edition/Format: Thesis/dissertation : Manuscript Archival Material : English Rating: (not yet rated) 0 with reviews - Be the first. Could this be related to a many year ago phenomenon such as the Doman-Delacato patterning technique? I understood that that theory was not held in high repute. . Robert W. Wildblood, PhD Adjunct Psychology Faculty Germanna Community College drb...@rcn.com --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11365 or send a blank email to leave-11365-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] crawling ability and reading
On 9 Jul 2011 at 11:19, Carol DeVolder wrote: > A student recently e-mailed me and asked a question that I can't > answer. He wrote that his mother adamantly claims there is a strong > correlation between infants' crawling and their eventual reading > ability and he says their isn't. He said he has done some searching of > the literature and has found nothing and asked if I know of any > evidence to which he could turn This sounds suspiciously like a quack theory of child development popular in the 1970's, sometimes called "patterning" or Doman- Delecato training. The idea was that children require a certain amount of crawling in order to develop neurologically, and if they don't, will be thoroughly screwed up. Or if they are already impaired, through brain damage, mental retardation, Down syndrome, dyslexia, etc., they may be helped by attention to a presumed deficit in crawling (or something like that--we're talking quackery, so it doesn't have to make sense). The treatment is a demanding training programme in which the child is subjected to various exercises involving crawling. The treatment, of course, is expensive. It also required the assistance of a contingent of well-meaning but deluded neighbours, who volunteered to help carry out its extensive requirements. This page ( http://tinyurl.com/3zfqx3g ) provides a proponent's view. Note the claimed association between lack of crawling and later reading problems. Debunking is here: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/patterning.html As for evidence, don't make me laugh. You might want to take a look at what the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) had to say about this "treatment" back in 1999, here: http://tinyurl.com/4yypdjz I see from its reference list that # 18 is a book by Doman, the originator of this harmful nonsense, called "How to teach your baby to read", # 32 is "The Diagnosis and Treatment of Speech and Reading Problems", by Doman's associate, Delecato, also # 33, "Neurological Organization and Reading". The AAP also cite some presumably debunking work by Robbins (#37 and # 38) on the relation between Doman-Delecato patterning treamtent and reading. So if would not surprise me if the alleged correlation between crawling and reading ability originated in their crackpot writings. Stephen Stephen L. Black, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology, Emeritus Bishop's University Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada e-mail: sblack at ubishops.ca - --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11363 or send a blank email to leave-11363-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] crawling ability and reading
Hey Tim! You seem to have a good memory for those urban myths. Do you still deny the existence of Acapulco gold marijuana? :-) Michael --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11362 or send a blank email to leave-11362-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] crawling ability and reading
Carol and others Time for an old guy moment. I distinctly remember that this was a belief (and I know of no data beyond what's been mentioned) that was around around the 60s - 70s. I'd put it closer to urban myth than anything else. I actually tried to do a paper on this as an undergrad. The myth, so far as I could ascertain, was that this came from children injured in automobile accidents (before seat belts, so the story went). When they had hip or pelvis fractures they were frequently given a cast from below the ribs to below the knees (that part is true to some degree). I first heard this story when a family member was given an alternative treatment because, according to the physician, such casting lead to reading difficulties and other school problems. I didn't know enough at the time (I think I was about 10) to ask for sources. :) But in college I followed this up and attempted to find medical or psychological studies to back it up. I could find nothing save a few "intuitions" published as letters (and I can find no current reference to them). I'd put it in the realm of urban myth save any data (one physician told me at the time of my paper attempt that there were no new data because of people using seat belts and later child seats). The other way this is presented sometimes is children who walk before crawling are damaged in the same way. Wish I had something more. Tim ___ Timothy O. Shearon, PhD Professor, Department of Psychology The College of Idaho Caldwell, ID 83605 email: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and systems "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." Dorothy Parker On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Carol DeVolder wrote: > Hi, > A student recently e-mailed me and asked a question that I can't answer. He > wrote that his mother adamantly claims there is a strong correlation between > infants' crawling and their eventual reading ability and he says their isn't. > He said he has done some searching of the literature and has found nothing > and asked if I know of any evidence to which he could turn; but, since this > isn't my area I wonder if any developmental psychology experts could offer > suggestions. > Thanks from me and from my student, > Carol _.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._ ~ all you can take with you is that which you've given away ~ ~ teaching & learning developmental psychology ~ ~ http://www.DevPsy.org ~ --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13545.bae00fb8b4115786ba5dbbb67b9b177a&n=T&l=tips&o=11355 or send a blank email to leave-11355-13545.bae00fb8b4115786ba5dbbb67b9b1...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11360 or send a blank email to leave-11360-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] crawling ability and reading
Hi Carol & Everyone, I do not know of specific research associating infants' crawling and later reading achievement, but there are two particularly relevant lines of research. First psychometrically, infant intelligence tests like the Bayley use motor milestones and these help predict later IQ scores and learning disabilities (though the correlations are relatively small). One possible reason for low correlations longitudinally is that many other factors are associated with motor milestones (e.g., easy-going temperament predicts later motor milestone achievement). Second, the Perception-Action framework shows a fairly strong pattern of associations between perception, actions, and broadly-speaking infant problem solving (like tool use, detours, and the means-ends sequencing task). These ideas begin in the work of the Gibson's and you can find some interesting contemporary experiments with searches for Jeff Lockman, Karen Adolph, or keyword "perception-action." Kevin http://www.DevPsy.org/ On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Carol DeVolder wrote: > Hi, > A student recently e-mailed me and asked a question that I can't answer. He > wrote that his mother adamantly claims there is a strong correlation between > infants' crawling and their eventual reading ability and he says their isn't. > He said he has done some searching of the literature and has found nothing > and asked if I know of any evidence to which he could turn; but, since this > isn't my area I wonder if any developmental psychology experts could offer > suggestions. > Thanks from me and from my student, > Carol _.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._ ~ all you can take with you is that which you've given away ~ ~ teaching & learning developmental psychology ~ ~ http://www.DevPsy.org ~ --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11355 or send a blank email to leave-11355-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] crawling ability and reading
Hi Carol- Here's what I was able to find. First, there is a lot of "common wisdom" that this is true. For example the following link: http://blog.mlive.com/neurotic_mom/2007/05/more_on_crawling.html It says in part, "It has to do with the Tonic Labrythine Reflex (TLR), one of those primitive reflexes that babies are born with. If it isn't switched off by 8-9 months, it can mean neurodevelopmental problems, such as with crawling, and later with reading." A search of PsychInfo on TLR came up with: The correlation between primitive reflexes and saccadic eye movements in 5th grade children with teacher-reported reading problems. by González, Sergio Ramírez et al. "The association between the primitive reflexes of vestibular origin and the developmental control of ocular movements has been of interest to many. The objective of the present study was to determine the association, if any, between any remaining primitive reflexes and saccadic eye movements in 5 th grade children with teacher reported reading problems. Method: The primitive reflexes included: the Moro Reflex (MR), Asymmetrical Tonic Neck Reflex (ATNR), Tonic Labyrinthine Reflex (TLR), and Symmetrical Neck Tonic Reflex (STNR). Non predictable, horizontal saccadic eye movements were tested objectively, and the saccadic ratio (number of tracking saccades to target displacements) and saccadic gain (initial saccade amplitude to target amplitude) were calculated. In addition, DEM scores and completion times were assessed. The saccadic parameters were compared to the primitive reflex scores in 60 children (28 without reading problems and 32 with reading problems) in the fifth grade. Of the 60 subjects, 34 were females (14 with reading problems) and 26 were males (18 with reading problems). Results: The results suggested that selected residual primitive reflexes were correlated with reduced saccadic accuracy and impaired reading ability. In addition, the laboratory-based saccadic testing provided an objective and confirmatory correlate to the presence of abnormal primitive reflexes. Furthermore, the results provided insight into the child's gross and fine motor development as related to vision, with possible therapeutic ramifications. Conclusion: There were significant associations between the saccadic eye movement parameters and the primitive reflexes, especially as related to SR and TLR, in those children with reading problems." So, there may be a grain of truth here that impaired crawling may be predictive (but not necessarily causative) of later poor reading due to poor saccadic control. However, I found no studies which suggested that there was a correlation between age of crawling and eventual reading ability. Hope this helps. -Don. - Original Message - From: Carol DeVolder Date: Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:19 am Subject: [tips] crawling ability and reading To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" > Hi, > A student recently e-mailed me and asked a question that I can't > answer. He > wrote that his mother adamantly claims there is a strong > correlation between > infants' crawling and their eventual reading ability and he says their > isn't. He said he has done some searching of the literature and > has found > nothing and asked if I know of any evidence to which he could > turn; but, > since this isn't my area I wonder if any developmental > psychology experts > could offer suggestions. > Thanks from me and from my student, > Carol > > > > -- > Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology > St. Ambrose University > 518 West Locust Street > Davenport, Iowa 52803 > 563-333-6482 > > This e-mail might be confidential, so please don't share it. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: dap...@shaw.ca. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13157.966b795bc7f3ccb35e3da08aebe98f18&n=T&l=tips&o=11351or > send a blank email to > leave-11351-13157.966b795bc7f3ccb35e3da08aebe98...@fsulist.frostburg.edu Don Allen Retired professor Langara College --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11353 or send a blank email to leave-11353-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
re: [tips] crawling ability and reading
On Sat, 09 Jul 2011 08:19:46 -0700, Carol DeVolder wrote: >Hi, >A student recently e-mailed me and asked a question that I >can't answer. He wrote that his mother adamantly claims there >is a strong correlation between infants' crawling and their eventual >reading ability and he says their isn't. Your student can always ask his mom what is the basis for her claim but I suspect that she probably can't provide one especially if she's not a psychologist and/or academic and/or a clinician. >He said he has done some searching of the literature and has found >nothing and asked if I know of any evidence to which he could turn; >but, since this isn't my area I wonder if any developmental psychology >experts could offer suggestions. I don't consider myself an expert in developmental psychology though I have some background in this area. A PsycInfo search for "crawling" and "reading" produces no hits. A search for "crawling" and "cognitive development" does provide some hits but nothing specifically about crawling and reading. An introduction by Rakison and Woodward (2008) to a special issue of Developmental Psychology on action and cognitive development provides some relevant background on the relationships but also points out that in recent decades research on action and cognitive development has been pretty meager. Piaget is acknowledged as one source for thinking about how action schemas serve as a basis for later cognition but the unstated rejection of a number of Piaget's findings and theoretical positions may have caused researchers not to work in this area. Consider the following quote from Rakison and Woodward: |The contributions to this special section highlight the still largely |open question of how action renders its effects on cognition and |perception. According to Piaget (1952, 1954), knowledge is slowly |constructed through the internalization of motor actions, and |consequently mental representations do not emerge until around |18 months of age. Following the classic work of Spelke, Baillargeon, |Meltzoff, and others (e.g., Baillargeon, 1998; Spelke, Breinlinger, |Macomber, & Jacobson, 1992; Meltzoff & Moore, 1999), few |developmental scientists adhere to this position today. What, then, |are the mechanisms by which action alters infants' perceptual and |cognitive abilities? In all likelihood, as a number of the articles here |suggest, there is a bidirectional link between action, on the one hand, |and perception and cognition, on the other; action affects what is |represented about the world, and in turn these representations affect |what is acted upon. But, as the special section illustrates, there are |probably many means by which action has its developmental effects. |We outline here a number of the more prominent of these accounts. The reference for the introductory article is given below and one should examine the articles in the same issue that are mentioned. Rakison, D. H., & Woodward, A. L. (2008). New perspectives on the effects of action on perceptual and cognitive development. Developmental Psychology, 44(5), 1209-1213. doi:10.1037/a0012999 -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11352 or send a blank email to leave-11352-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] crawling ability and reading
Hi, A student recently e-mailed me and asked a question that I can't answer. He wrote that his mother adamantly claims there is a strong correlation between infants' crawling and their eventual reading ability and he says their isn't. He said he has done some searching of the literature and has found nothing and asked if I know of any evidence to which he could turn; but, since this isn't my area I wonder if any developmental psychology experts could offer suggestions. Thanks from me and from my student, Carol -- Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. Professor of Psychology St. Ambrose University 518 West Locust Street Davenport, Iowa 52803 563-333-6482 This e-mail might be confidential, so please don't share it. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=11351 or send a blank email to leave-11351-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
