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Hi everyone, This is a test. Am I coming through? Linda in Pa **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301)
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Yep, loud and clear! Larry in Oklahoma who is waiting on snow! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:38:33 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [TMIC] (no subject) Hi everyone, This is a test. Am I coming through? Linda in Pa It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance.
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Re: [TMIC] JUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Pam and All ~ I also talked with Jude.last night. I don't think they are taking her to the hospital for hyperbaric chamber treatmentsshe told me last night that her insurance won't pay for them... Jude fell out of bed the other morningthey took x-rays and nothing is broken...she's badly bruised and has really sore tendons. I hope nothing happened during the night last night after I talked with her .she had the night nurse from h___ ...the one that won't do anything for her. She told me her bed sores are healingthat her doctor said they look the best they ever have. She's hoping to go home the end of the month when Dave retires. She asked me to tell all of you that she misses you and loves you! She gets lonely without all of you and can't wait to get back online with everyone. Hugs, Lynn Pamif you hear any more about this hospital visit this morning please let us know. I'll give her another call this evening. **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301)
[TMIC] part3 continue 'Acceptance is tough
By this time I was calmed down from the Meds. they injected and thankful for the relief. My vision of the hungry doctors lurking around with saliva dripping from the corners of their mouths just knowing they had an emergency trauma surgery right in front of them was so obvious. The doctor comes in and said Well your MRI looks normal and other than some bone degeneration(arthritis) your spine is in alignment and your ok to leave the hospital. My wife and I look at each other with disbelief. We go home and the next day I am having trouble walking and would stand up and just fall like a sack of potatoes falling off a counter. Since all we was hearing from the doctors was bone talk ,my wife got me an appointment with a neurosurgeon. This took 3 weeks to get in. So during this time I am having to use 2 canes to even attempt to walk and still that would not be good enough most of the time. Oh my gosh the constipation problem was almost unbearable( Ya'll did say to talk about anything right?). I remember going to a family practice doctor about the problem and he said don't we all what a prick he was. I get my doctor visit with the neurosurgeon and he had some of the best table manners of any doctor, he told me how good he was and he would without a doubt figure out the problem and help me. During the visit he is testing me for where I feel needle prick sensations and discovered that I was very numb from my lower shoulders and down. He looked at me with amazement and said hmmm really and told me I most likely had a tumor on my spinal cord and not to worry, he could go right in with no trouble and remove it, like it was as simple of a procedure as pulling teeth. Of course I had to have another MRI for the thorax region and that took another week. Now somewhere in this confusion I was supposed to have had a MRI in the cervical region and one of the Thorax region but He could only see that I had MRI's of the cervical and lumbar regions HUH? Now I'm off once again to get my third MRI for the Thorax region OH great day in the morning. This takes almost another week and by this time my wife is getting very angry and wants some answers. I get the MRI for the THORAX region and take them and leave them with the doctors office for reviewing. A couple of days later we are told that It appears that I have no tumor and he could see 3 herniated disc and should go to the Emory back/disc specialist and their would be no need for the neurosurgeon to see me again. WHAT! So much for that Bed side Manner stuff, he dropped me like a hot potato as soon as no surgery was in his future. Now we are looking at another 2-3 weeks for me to see the Emory doctor. I get in to see the backbone specialist/doctor and he has reviewed my MRI's and comes into the room, ask me what was my problems,I told him and with kind of a half grin on his face says Why are you here? Huh? ( continue later ) **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301)
[TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude
I think we have talked before here about having shortened attention spans that what we used to. I am wondering if anyone else has trouble listening to anything for very long? Conversations, speeches, sermons? I get lost after a while and have to struggle to maintain attention. And along with listening, sometimes I get impatient when someone takes way too long to say something simple or continues explaining a point they have already made and I already understood. I just want to take them by the shoulders and say, I got it already!! LOL! I guess I am wondering if I van blame it on TM or if I am becoming grouchy and impatient in my old age! Even if it is somehow an aftereffect of TM, of course, it's not an excuse -- I still need to strive to be attentive as much as possible. I can't impose a time limit on everyone's conversations. I also find that I really need a certain amount of solitude to stay sane. I think that's my personality in some respects -- I've always been better with one or two friends than a crowd and I have always enjoyed time alone. But sometimes now I just have to slip off by myself where it is quiet and nothing is demanding my attention. I don't want to be a hermit or live alone -- but I do need some solitude. Anyone else? Barbara H. _http://barbarah.wordpress.com/_ (http://barbarah.wordpress.com/) **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301)
RE: [TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude
I don't have TM and this sounds just like me and I am 38. I think we are so busy with our lives, with the cell phones ringing and the regular phones ringing, and people talking all of the time that it is sometimes nice to just have some time alone and sometimes when there are just too many things going on, our minds drift away (that is normal for the human race) I believe it is said that about every 15 minutes or so your mind will drift off to something else for a few moments and they you will pop right back in where you were before. I have been to several different education classes for my profession and every one of the instructors lets us know that it is completely normal and they have actually started putting page #'s on the over projector sheets or on the power point presentations so we know what page we are on in our workbook. My daughter (14) who is the one with TM, likes to be around people but she also likes her own space. Is that TM or is that just her being a teenager? Good question. P.S. I get what you are saying about someone reiterating and reiterating a point that was figured out the first time they mentioned it. That is SO annoying! Tracey L. Black Certified Insurance Service Representative Hockley O'Donnell Insurance Agency Phone - 717-334-6741, x 29 Fax - 717-334-3414 Thank you for providing information to us. Please beware that no coverage is bound and no change to your insurance program is confirmed until verified by a licensed agent during regular business hours. If you do not hear from us within 1 business day, please re-contact us in case your information has not been retained. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:53 AM To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Subject: [TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude I think we have talked before here about having shortened attention spans that what we used to. I am wondering if anyone else has trouble listening to anything for very long? Conversations, speeches, sermons? I get lost after a while and have to struggle to maintain attention. And along with listening, sometimes I get impatient when someone takes way too long to say something simple or continues explaining a point they have already made and I already understood. I just want to take them by the shoulders and say, I got it already!! LOL! I guess I am wondering if I van blame it on TM or if I am becoming grouchy and impatient in my old age! Even if it is somehow an aftereffect of TM, of course, it's not an excuse -- I still need to strive to be attentive as much as possible. I can't impose a time limit on everyone's conversations. I also find that I really need a certain amount of solitude to stay sane. I think that's my personality in some respects -- I've always been better with one or two friends than a crowd and I have always enjoyed time alone. But sometimes now I just have to slip off by myself where it is quiet and nothing is demanding my attention. I don't want to be a hermit or live alone -- but I do need some solitude. Anyone else? Barbara H. http://barbarah.wordpress.com/ http://barbarah.wordpress.com/ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301
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From: GAYLON123 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/6/2008 12:01:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: [TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude To be honest, I feel like my comprehension has increased because before TM I was not much of what a woman would consider a multitasker I have always been a Let me do this and I will get to that type of person which is common for a mans type of thinking. Since my whole life has been 'blue collar work. I now realize that this is not going to be able to continue at the pace now, as was in the past. I have noticed that now I am much more of a multitasker than ever before cause, what else do I have left? Since working with my mind and some physical, is all I have left, it makes me feel I must go forward and increase my knowledge and continue my education for degree's and certificate's and diploma's. Signed, Hoping to increase my knowledge and education. In a message dated 3/6/2008 11:38:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Barbara, sounds like I'm in the same place as you. My attention span concentration went out the window with TM (9 yrs). It was an overnight thing so I know darn well TM is the culprit. I used to be an avid reader - 2 books a week at least. Now I have trouble with a newspaper article. I have to read each paragraph over and over to grasp the subject. I react the same way with people who go on and on, no matter how well intentioned they are. If I want to watch a movie, I either record or rent because it can take me up to 3 days to watch. Twenty minutes or so is the limit to my concentration. The older I get, the more I seek solitude quiet. I'm not sure that's TM related. On a lighter note, I had fun last week with a telemarketing survey. They wanted to know which radio station I listen to. I don't. Not even in the car? Nope. I love my quiet time. Diane in Canada - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:tmic-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: [TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude I think we have talked before here about having shortened attention spans that what we used to. I am wondering if anyone else has trouble listening to anything for very long? Conversations, speeches, sermons? I get lost after a while and have to struggle to maintain attention. And along with listening, sometimes I get impatient when someone takes way too long to say something simple or continues explaining a point they have already made and I already understood. I just want to take them by the shoulders and say, I got it already!! LOL! I guess I am wondering if I van blame it on TM or if I am becoming grouchy and impatient in my old age! Even if it is somehow an aftereffect of TM, of course, it's not an excuse -- I still need to strive to be attentive as much as possible. I can't impose a time limit on everyone's conversations. I also find that I really need a certain amount of solitude to stay sane. I think that's my personality in some respects -- I've always been better with one or two friends than a crowd and I have always enjoyed time alone. But sometimes now I just have to slip off by myself where it is quiet and nothing is demanding my attention. I don't want to be a hermit or live alone -- but I do need some solitude. Anyone else? Barbara H. _http://barbarah.wordpress.com/_ (http://barbarah.wordpress.com/) It's Tax Time! _Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance._ (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) It's Tax Time! _Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance._ (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301)
Re: [TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude
Attention??? Drifting off?? Solitude??? Huh, what were you talking about??? I don't have TM but I have all these other issues at the fantastic age of 54.?? I agree with Tracey:? too much going on everyday.? Life has gotten too complicated.? I long for the?yesterdays?of the simple things? The one thing that we are attempting to teach our grandkids, is that play isn't TV, computers or other screen time.? It is the out of doors, the homemade magic wands, digging in the soil, watching the ants march, flying a kite, playing tag, enjoying the flight of the ?hummingbirds, listening to the songs of the canary's, or Ava Doodle's (granddaughter), favorite tune from the 1950's: Bushel and a Peck.?? She thinks this song was written for her because, (you mature ones will know this), it says, doodle, doodle, doodle, doodle,doodle, doodle, doodle, doodoodoo... The Simple Things. Sandy
Re: [TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude
Gee, whitakers, Barbara. I fell asleep trying to read your note. Alton
Re: [TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude
Hi everybody -- have you considered that maybe it's the medication that is making you impatient? Modern antidepressants (as opposed to the tricyclics) have a bit of stimulant in them, as do many pain pills. If you're taking more than one pill, or if you're sensitive to stimulants, you might be getting a jolt like 5 cups of coffee -- and that would give anybody the jitters. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Listening, attention, and solitude Hi Barbara ~ I could have written that letter you just wrote I am in EXACTLY, word for word, the same situation...! To add a little to what you said. this morning while I'm trying to place an order online Bill started talking to me and there was no way I could listen to him and finish my order. I had to stop.listen to him.go back to my order...stop ...listen to him...go back to my order. I cannot walk and chew gum at the same time any more...! The solitute you mentioned...? Amen to that...! Had a friend over for lunch yesterday and he always stays way too long.I was squirming in my chair waiting for him to go back to work so I could just go lie down. Ain't TM life grand...? :-) Love ya, Lynn -- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1315 - Release Date: 3/6/2008 9:07 AM
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[TMIC] JUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH HER EARLIER. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THEY GOT THE OK FOR THE CHAMBER. WELL HER DOCTOR IS THE ONE WHO SAID IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE. SHE SAW THE WOUND SPECIALIST AND HER WOUNDS ARE HEALING MUCH BETTER, THE REASON SHE WENT WAS SHE HAD TOO GO TO ER BECAUSE THEY HAVE A AIDE WHO SAYS SHE CALLS FOR THEM TOO MUCH.JUDE CALLS FOR HER ROOMMATE TOO. SO THEY DECIDED TO TRY AND DO FOR THEMSELVES HOPING THAT DAVE AND THE OTHER LADIES FAMILY WOULD BE THERE FOR THEM. THIS ONE AIDE DOES NOT LIKE JUDE , I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT. JUDE PRESSED THE BUTTON TO GET REPOSITIONED.WELL SHE NEVER CAME. JUDE WAS IN PAIN AND TRIED TO DO IT WITH JUST HER WRISTS AND UPPER STRENGTH. WELL SHE FELL OUT THE BED.SHE HAD HIT HER HEAD. SHE HAS BRUISES ALL OVER AND A BLACK EYE. SHE IS VERY SORE AND IS IN PAIN.THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME .NOTHING IS BROKEN THANK THE LORD. I WAS SO UPSET WHEN SHE TOLD ME THIS I WAS FURIOUS. IF THIS AIDE DOES NOT LIKE HER WORK THEN DAM GET ANOTHER JOB .EXCUSE ME FOR CURSING. SHE IS PLANNING ON GETTING OUT OF THEIR BY THE END OF THE MONTH.DAVE WILL BE RETIRED THEN SO SHE WILL BE BETTER OFF AT HOME SHE SAYS AND LET THE NURSE COME AND TEND TO HER SORES AT HOME .I JUST WISH I COULD DO MORE FOR HER BUT I CANNOT. CINDY MCELROY GAVE ME SOME GOOD INFO TO PASS ON TO JUDE I DID AND SHE IS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT. I CANNOT WAIT TO SHE GOES HOME. I WOULD OF THOUGHT THAT GUNNYS LETTER WOULD OF HELPED IT DID NOT. SHE SAID SHE LOVES YOU ALL AND CANNOT CHAT WITH YOU, SHE WILL AS SOON AS SHE CAN. SHE KNOWS SHE IS LOVED AND THANKS EVERYONE GOD BLESS JUDE AND OUR TM FAMILY TIAD PAM **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301)
RE: [TMIC] Unidentified subject!
Steve, Sorry to hear that you've experienced marital problems. With TM or any other life altering event there is a lot of stress. Stress kills. It kills people, marriages, hope, understanding and love. Your right that being a good father is the important thing. But you've got to remember that requires taking care of your self. Have you thought about seeking help? Seeing a therapist? Is there a single parents group in your area? Your church? Many years ago I was writing a paper on persons with spinal cord injury and relationships. I don't remember the exact numbers but I was surprised to find out that when it is the male that is injured, the relationship usually ends within the first 18 months. Something like 70% of the time. But when it is the female, only about 8% of the relationships end during the same time frame. Hmm I know that doesn't help much but it does show that it may not have been you. It was the TM. Get out, find someone that cares. Your the captain of your boat. Larry in Oklahoma who is so thankful it didn't snow! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:13:02 +Subject: [TMIC] Unidentified subject! Just wondering if due to TM if anybody has had problems in there marriage. Because I got a divorce a year ago. And today my kids told me that mommy has a boyfriend. And it hurts really bad, But there's nothing I can do about it! I know i'm feeling sorry for myself. I've gottin good at that over the past years! But as long as my kids are happy and i'm a good father that is the important part. Right? Steve Jabs from Pa
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I agree with you Larry. Stress does kill but not only the stress, I think any major illness also makes others, not only strangers but also love ones nearest you, look at themselves and realize how vulnerable they and their own lifes' are to the unknown and it really scares them! Whenever faced with adversity of any kind comes the fight or flight response. Sorry to say, I think most people choose the flight response - our society is known as the throw away society. - Original Message - From: Larry Throne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], TM tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 9:07:51 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: RE: [TMIC] Unidentified subject! Steve, Sorry to hear that you've experienced marital problems. With TM or any other life altering event there is a lot of stress. Stress kills. It kills people, marriages, hope, understanding and love. Your right that being a good father is the important thing. But you've got to remember that requires taking care of your self. Have you thought about seeking help? Seeing a therapist? Is there a single parents group in your area? Your church? Many years ago I was writing a paper on persons with spinal cord injury and relationships. I don't remember the exact numbers but I was surprised to find out that when it is the male that is injured, the relationship usually ends within the first 18 months. Something like 70% of the time. But when it is the female, only about 8% of the relationships end during the same time frame. Hmm I know that doesn't help much but it does show that it may not have been you. It was the TM. Get out, find someone that cares. Your the captain of your boat. Larry in Oklahoma who is so thankful it didn't snow! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:13:02 + Subject: [TMIC] Unidentified subject! Just wondering if due to TM if anybody has had problems in there marriage. Because I got a divorce a year ago. And today my kids told me that mommy has a boyfriend. And it hurts really bad, But there's nothing I can do about it! I know i'm feeling sorry for myself. I've gottin good at that over the past years! But as long as my kids are happy and i'm a good father that is the important part. Right? Steve Jabs from Pa
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Boy of boy Candis, you hit the nail right on the head. Fight of Flight response, for sure, and I think you're also right about most people choosing the flight response. Years ago I used to go to Lupus group meetings at one of the hospitals in downtown Seattle. My husband actually went with me once, and the next time I went all the ladies came up to me and said you're still married? - ALL of their husbands left! There were about 45 or so of us who went regularly and we were all in our 30's and 40's. I was absolutely shocked. Linda in Eagle, Idaho where it is actually springtime for the last 2 weeks. Yeah - Original Message - From: CANDIS KALLEYmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Larry Thronemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; TMmailto:tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [TMIC] Unidentified subject! I agree with you Larry. Stress does kill but not only the stress, I think any major illness also makes others, not only strangers but also love ones nearest you, look at themselves and realize how vulnerable they and their own lifes' are to the unknown and it really scares them! Whenever faced with adversity of any kind comes the fight or flight response. Sorry to say, I think most people choose the flight response - our society is known as the throw away society. - Original Message - From: Larry Throne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], TM tmic-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 9:07:51 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago Subject: RE: [TMIC] Unidentified subject! Steve, Sorry to hear that you've experienced marital problems. With TM or any other life altering event there is a lot of stress. Stress kills. It kills people, marriages, hope, understanding and love. Your right that being a good father is the important thing. But you've got to remember that requires taking care of your self. Have you thought about seeking help? Seeing a therapist? Is there a single parents group in your area? Your church? Many years ago I was writing a paper on persons with spinal cord injury and relationships. I don't remember the exact numbers but I was surprised to find out that when it is the male that is injured, the relationship usually ends within the first 18 months. Something like 70% of the time. But when it is the female, only about 8% of the relationships end during the same time frame. Hmm I know that doesn't help much but it does show that it may not have been you. It was the TM. Get out, find someone that cares. Your the captain of your boat. Larry in Oklahoma who is so thankful it didn't snow! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tmic-list@eskimo.com Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:13:02 + Subject: [TMIC] Unidentified subject! Just wondering if due to TM if anybody has had problems in there marriage. Because I got a divorce a year ago. And today my kids told me that mommy has a boyfriend. And it hurts really bad, But there's nothing I can do about it! I know i'm feeling sorry for myself. I've gottin good at that over the past years! But as long as my kids are happy and i'm a good father that is the important part. Right? Steve Jabs from Pa
