Re: Why tmux doesn't have command line help, --help or --version?
Ok. Posted here http://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2014-June/032668.html Thanks for the feedback. On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Nicholas Marriott nicholas.marri...@gmail.com wrote: Go and persuade OpenSSH to add --help and I will reconsider the question for tmux. Original message From: anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com Date: 22/06/2014 04:44 (GMT+00:00) To: Nicholas Marriott nicholas.marri...@gmail.com Cc: tmux-us...@lists.sf.net Subject: Re: Why tmux doesn't have command line help, --help or --version? On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:36 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Nicholas Marriott nicholas.marri...@gmail.com wrote: tmux is an OpenBSD program and they do not typically support long options, and use a man page rather than builtin help or info pages. It is not OpenBSD program anymore. Check userbase. =) I also see possible regression in evolution of OpenBSD. To implement some practice as a standard OpenBSD need it to be widely accepted, but OpenBSD people insist that practice should not be applied because there is different practice that users should be aware of. Even if that practice failed, OpenBSD still insists that other practice should be denied, so there is no place for evolution at all. -- anatoly t. -- anatoly t. -- Open source business process management suite built on Java and Eclipse Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community Edition Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft___ tmux-users mailing list tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmux-users
Re: Why tmux doesn't have command line help, --help or --version?
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:36 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Nicholas Marriott nicholas.marri...@gmail.com wrote: tmux is an OpenBSD program and they do not typically support long options, and use a man page rather than builtin help or info pages. It is not OpenBSD program anymore. Check userbase. =) I also see possible regression in evolution of OpenBSD. To implement some practice as a standard OpenBSD need it to be widely accepted, but OpenBSD people insist that practice should not be applied because there is different practice that users should be aware of. Even if that practice failed, OpenBSD still insists that other practice should be denied, so there is no place for evolution at all. -- anatoly t. -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems___ tmux-users mailing list tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmux-users
Re: Why tmux doesn't have command line help, --help or --version?
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Nicholas Marriott nicholas.marri...@gmail.com wrote: tmux is an OpenBSD program and they do not typically support long options, and use a man page rather than builtin help or info pages. It is not OpenBSD program anymore. Check userbase. =) -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems___ tmux-users mailing list tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmux-users
Re: Why tmux doesn't have command line help, --help or --version?
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Thomas Adam tho...@xteddy.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 02:13:47PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: Subj. Tmux is awesome, but I can not use it without Google. For example, I tried to get some version to see if some changes in last releases can be the source of weirdness that I am experiencing running irssi under it. ps26398:~# tmix --version Because this isn't GNU. You want to say that programs have command line help only because they are GNU? =) That implies that OS X utilities or Windows utilities can't have command line help, but that's not true. More that that, all cross-platform utilities implemented --help option. Check your VCSes. It is de-facto standard. Not implementing it is a good non-conformist position and I could support it, but I don't see the reason why. There's -V for a version in more recent versions of tmux, and for everything else, there's the man page. And what does GNU say about man pages? =) -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems___ tmux-users mailing list tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmux-users
Re: Why tmux doesn't have command line help, --help or --version?
tmux is an OpenBSD program and they do not typically support long options, and use a man page rather than builtin help or info pages. On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 01:47:42AM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Thomas Adam [1]tho...@xteddy.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 02:13:47PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: Subj. Tmux is awesome, but I can not use it without Google. For example, I tried to get some version to see if some changes in last releases can be the source of weirdness that I am experiencing running irssi under it. ps26398:~# tmix --version Because this isn't GNU. You want to say that programs have command line help only because they are GNU? =) That implies that OS X utilities or Windows utilities can't have command line help, but that's not true. More that that, all cross-platform utilities implemented --help option. Check your VCSes. It is de-facto standard. Not implementing it is a good non-conformist position and I could support it, but I don't see the reason why. ** There's -V for a version in more recent versions of tmux, and for everything else, there's the man page. And what does GNU say about man pages? =) References Visible links 1. mailto:tho...@xteddy.org -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ tmux-users mailing list tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmux-users -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ tmux-users mailing list tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmux-users
Re: Why tmux doesn't have command line help, --help or --version?
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 02:13:47PM +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: Subj. Tmux is awesome, but I can not use it without Google. For example, I tried to get some version to see if some changes in last releases can be the source of weirdness that I am experiencing running irssi under it. ps26398:~# tmix --version Because this isn't GNU. There's -V for a version in more recent versions of tmux, and for everything else, there's the man page. -- Thomas Adam -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ tmux-users mailing list tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmux-users
Re: Why tmux doesn't have command line help, --help or --version?
anatoly techtonik wrote: Tmux is awesome, but I can not use it without Google. For example, I tried to get some version to see if some changes in last releases can be the source of weirdness that I am experiencing running irssi under it. Why google, when there's a perfectly fine manual? % man tmux = -VReport the tmux version. Regards, Frank -- In protocol design, perfection has been reached not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- RFC 1925 -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ tmux-users mailing list tmux-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tmux-users
