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solved thanks, all, moron me

[Hiller, Dean D (Dean)]

I should have read this e-mail better I realized.  Sorry for being a
timesuck.  Should have just use 1.4 from the start.
dean

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From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:11 PM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: RE: tomcat build broken with strange javac error(never seen
this one before)

Hi,
The build file works for me.

Your servlet-api jar was built with JDK 1.5, so you must build the rest
of Tomcat with JDK 1.5.  Alternatively, build servlet-api.jar with JDK
1.4 and build the rest of Tomcat with JDK 1.4 as well.  You get the
general point ;)


Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


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>From: Hiller, Dean D (Dean) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:00 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: tomcat build broken with strange javac error(never seen this
one
>before)
>
>I have never seen an error from javac like this before(and I am by no
>means new to java).  I have even read the JLS and am not sure what in
>the world this is.  Can anyone point me somewhere on how to resolve
this
>issue?  Or possibly point me to a build.xml for tomcat5 that works?
The
>one on the website does not work as I get the below.  I am using
>1.4.2_05.  Does the build.xml file work for anyone else?  If so, what
>version of java are you using?
>
>
>
>
>
>build-catalina-core:
>
>[javac] Compiling 302 source files to
>C:\ROOT\views\jakartaviews\tomcatTry\jakarta-tomcat-5\build\classes
>
>[javac]
>C:\ROOT\views\jakartaviews\tomcatTry\jakarta-tomcat-catalina\catalina\s
r
>c\share\org\apache\catalina\Container.java:23: cannot access
>javax.servlet.ServletException
>
>[javac] bad class file:
>C:\usr\share\java\servlet-api-2.4\lib\servlet-api.jar(javax/servlet/Ser
v
>letException.class)
>
>[javac] class file has wrong version 49.0, should be 48.0
>
>[javac] Please remove or make sure it appears in the correct
>subdirectory of the classpath.
>
>[javac] import javax.servlet.ServletException;
>
>[javac]  ^
>
>[javac] 1 error
>
>
>
>Also, I really want to know more about this error and how it is
>possible.  Does anyone know what this means?  Ps.  Am I on the wrong
>list?  Is this really a problem with the servlet api jar?, but which
>project is that and who do I talk to???
>
>thanks,
>
>dean


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WHy am I on this list?

Hod do I get off?


On Apr 29, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Matt Woodings wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I know this is not strictly protocol but I wanted to do it anyway.
>
> I just wanted to say thank you to the dev team for all their hard work 
> and patience in creating an awesome java app server.  I have been in 
> production mode for about 6 months now and Tomcat has run flawlessly 
> in that time (ok, so I personally had a few coding issues in that :-) 
> but not to do with Tomcat) and because of that I have been able to 
> create a client/server product that I am extremely proud of which is 
> getting heavily hit 24/7.
>
> Matt
> Win 2k Server -> Apache 2.0.47 -> JK2.0.2 -> Tomcat 4.1.30
Tucker Balch, Assistant Professor
College of Computing, Georgia Tech
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WHy am I on this list?

Hod do I get off?

On Apr 29, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Matt Woodings wrote:

Hi,

I know this is not strictly protocol but I wanted to do it anyway.

I just wanted to say thank you to the dev team for all their hard work 
and patience in creating an awesome java app server.  I have been in 
production mode for about 6 months now and Tomcat has run flawlessly 
in that time (ok, so I personally had a few coding issues in that :-) 
but not to do with Tomcat) and because of that I have been able to 
create a client/server product that I am extremely proud of which is 
getting heavily hit 24/7.

Matt
Win 2k Server -> Apache 2.0.47 -> JK2.0.2 -> Tomcat 4.1.30
Tucker Balch, Assistant Professor
College of Computing, Georgia Tech
801 Atlantic Drive Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280
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Re: Many thanks to the dev team

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On Apr 29, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote:

Woohoo, cool, a happy user :D
Yes, much thanks. The University of Florida is happy too. We've been 
migrating webapps that don't need a full J2EE stack to Tomcat 5 over 
the last months and have been very pleased. While we don't have the 
admin tools for managing a cluster like we have for WebSphere, it still 
requires less time and effort to keep things running smoothly.

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Matt Woodings wrote:
Hi,

I know this is not strictly protocol but I wanted to do it anyway.

I just wanted to say thank you to the dev team for all their hard work and patience in creating an awesome java app server.  I have been in production mode for about 6 months now and Tomcat has run flawlessly in that time (ok, so I personally had a few coding issues in that :-) but not to do with Tomcat) and because of that I have been able to create a client/server product that I am extremely proud of which is getting heavily hit 24/7.
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Hola,
Cool!  Glad you like it ;)  Thanks,

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


>-Original Message-
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>Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:43 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Many thanks to the dev team
>
>Hi,
>
>I know this is not strictly protocol but I wanted to do it anyway.
>
>I just wanted to say thank you to the dev team for all their hard work
and
>patience in creating an awesome java app server.  I have been in
production
>mode for about 6 months now and Tomcat has run flawlessly in that time
(ok,
>so I personally had a few coding issues in that :-) but not to do with
>Tomcat) and because of that I have been able to create a client/server
>product that I am extremely proud of which is getting heavily hit 24/7.
>
>Matt
>Win 2k Server -> Apache 2.0.47 -> JK2.0.2 -> Tomcat 4.1.30



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Many thanks to the dev team

[Matt Woodings]

Hi,

I know this is not strictly protocol but I wanted to do it anyway.

I just wanted to say thank you to the dev team for all their hard work and patience in 
creating an awesome java app server.  I have been in production mode for about 6 
months now and Tomcat has run flawlessly in that time (ok, so I personally had a few 
coding issues in that :-) but not to do with Tomcat) and because of that I have been 
able to create a client/server product that I am extremely proud of which is getting 
heavily hit 24/7.

Matt
Win 2k Server -> Apache 2.0.47 -> JK2.0.2 -> Tomcat 4.1.30

Thanks Craig (Was: Re: TC evolment)

[Sriram N]

--- Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> And to think it was only a couple of years ago that I got thorougly 
> chastised (by more than a few people participating in this thread :-) 
> for suggesting that Tomcat standalone might actually be a viable 
> production solution for some applications.
> 

If it makes you feel good:

I was a lurker on those old threads. I'm happy to say that I decided to go
along with your judgement and use Tomcat for some solutions that we'd need to
deliver. I'd used TC 4.0.1 way back then, and our apps are still running fine
on the following configuration :Win98, Pentium 200MMX, 64 MB RAM, JDK 1.3.1.

> 
> Craig McClanahan
> 

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Thanks to all commiters here

[Guenter Knauf]

Hi all,
I want to say a big THANKS to all commiters here for their fantastic work and co-work 
with the others here from the list -- that makes participating on an OpenSource 
project like the jt connectors much more fun.
Now we have not only made compiling for NetWare a lot easier, but also got mod_jk2 
running on NetWare, and improved the mod_jk2 module for all platforms!
Also I want to give some more positive feedback I got from other users which where 
brave enough to test all the CVS builds I did in the past even already in production: 
they all said mod_jk2 is faster than mod_jk, and that on both NetWare and Win32 
platforms! Now only a release can show up the remaining issues if there are any.

Again, thanks for all your help!

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RE RE: If you know........................ Thanks !

[Correo]

I follow your tutorial bat can't start my servlet !!!
Error 404: ..   !!!%#$@!*7^
I change the name directory Servlet1 to  myApp and modifi web.xml
what happen ?



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[Shapira, Yoav]

Hi,
By the way: this belongs in tomcat-user, not tomcat-dev.  I replied to
tomcat-dev by accident.  Sorry about that, and please post only dev
questions to this list.

Yoav Shapira
Millennium ChemInformatics


>-Original Message-
>From: Correo [mailto:hefperez@;ar.inter.net]
>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:57 PM
>To: Tomcat Developers List
>Subject: If you know.... Thanks !
>
>I all.
>I'm using Tomcat on win98
>Have a problem when call my class error:404 
>My class are in :
>
>Tomcat 4.1/webapps/servlet1/web-inf/classes/st/Servlet1.class
>
>How call in a brobser my class?
>Where put Servlet1.shtml?
>
>I send Servlet1.java  and web.xml to you see.
>
>I'm new in Tomcat !!
>
>Thank for all and excuse my English...I from Argentina.
>
>
>
>
>
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[Shapira, Yoav]

Hi,

>Tomcat 4.1/webapps/servlet1/web-inf/classes/st/Servlet1.class
>
>How call in a brobser my class?

http://yourhost:yourport/servlet1/servlet/st/Servlet1

I suggest you give your web application a name other than "servlet1"
because that name might confuse you.  A name like "myApp" is better.

The web.xml file goes in the
tomcat/webapps/myApp/WEB-INF directory.

You can add the following to your web.xml:


  MyServletName
  st.Servlet1



  MyServletName
  /MyServlet


Then your servlet will be accessible from
http://yourhost:yourport/MyApp/MyServlet

>Where put Servlet1.shtml?

in tomcat/webapps/MyApp. (or subdirectories of it, but not under
WEB-INF).

>I send Servlet1.java  and web.xml to you see.

I didn't see any attachments.

>I'm new in Tomcat !!

Welcome ;)

>Thank for all and excuse my English...I from Argentina.

I'm a Boca Juniors fan ;) 

Yoav Shapira
Millennium ChemInformatics

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[Correo]

I all.
I'm using Tomcat on win98
Have a problem when call my class error:404 
My class are in :

Tomcat 4.1/webapps/servlet1/web-inf/classes/st/Servlet1.class
 
How call in a brobser my class?
Where put Servlet1.shtml?

I send Servlet1.java  and web.xml to you see.

I'm new in Tomcat !!

Thank for all and excuse my English...I from Argentina.






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THANKS

[Mister Nobody]

I've been working with TC4.0, installing and configuring, for the past 
week, and I just want to say to the active developers on this list:

THANK YOU

This is a beautifully functional, beautifully documented, really slick 
piece of work.  Y'all are GREAT.

Re: Thanks for the note on JNI and class loading in the release notes

[Jochen Schneider]

Hi Jonathan,

we had the same problem and fixed it in the way described now in the Tomcat
documentation.

Probably one additional remark should be added to the documentation :

If you place the Java code loading the native library outside of the web
application (for example in $CATALINA_HOME/common/lib) it is loaded only
once and the problem is solved.

This sollution has some implication : The classes containing the native code
are loaded by a classloader which has no knowledge about any class which
resides in \Web-inf\lib. You will get an exception if you try to instanciate
a class which resides in the \Web-inf\lib directory from your native code!
You will also get an exception if you try to import a class which resides in
the \Web-inf\lib\ directory from your java code in $CATALINA_HOME/common/lib
since the two classes are loaded by different classloaders.

This will not work (ClassA in $CATALINA_HOME/common/lib ansd ClassB in
\Web-inf\lib\ ) :

ClassA :

  import ClassB;
  public native static void doSomething(ClassB obj);


ClassB :

  import ClassA
  public static void main(String[] args) {
  ClassA.doSomething(this);
  }


Now it works again :

ClassA :


  public native static void doSomething(Object obj);


ClassB :

  import ClassA
  public static void main(String[] args) {
  ClassA.doSomething((Object)this);
  }


Is this description correct? How do you handle this problem? Is there a more
elegant sollution ?

Regards,
Jochen


P.S: Sorry for posting this message to tomcat-user. Mea culpa.


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Applications that require native libraries must ensure that the libraries
have
been loaded prior to use.  Typically, this is done with a call like:

  static {
System.loadLibrary("path-to-library-file");
  }

in some class.  However, the application must also ensure that the library
is
not loaded more than once.  If the above code were placed in a class inside
the web application (i.e. under /WEB-INF/classes or /WEB-INF/lib), and the
application were reloaded, the loadLibrary() call would be attempted a
second
time.

To avoid this problem, place classes that load native libraries outside of
the
web application, and ensure that the loadLibrary() call is executed only
once
during the lifetime of a particular JVM.



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From: "Jonathan Eric Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tomcat Developer List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:59 AM
Subject: Thanks for the note on JNI and class loading in the release notes


> I'm guessing that Craig is the one that added the section about JNI and
> class loading in the RC1 release notes. I just wanted to say that I
> appreciate that you documented this.
>
> I also noticed that you fixed a problem that I noticed with the Base64
> encoder where it had trailing zeroes.
>
> Thanks, Jon
>
>

Thanks for the note on JNI and class loading in the release notes

[Jonathan Eric Miller]

I'm guessing that Craig is the one that added the section about JNI and
class loading in the RC1 release notes. I just wanted to say that I
appreciate that you documented this.

I also noticed that you fixed a problem that I noticed with the Base64
encoder where it had trailing zeroes.

Thanks, Jon

Unsubscribe please! Thanks

[Cheng, I-Ying]

-Original Message-
From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 4:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rob S.
Subject: Re: TC4 base dir




On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Rob S. wrote:

> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:41:00 PDT
> From: Rob S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: TC4 base dir
>
> > > That's cool about the server.xml file, and you can do the individual
> > > elements, as you said (logger, default valve's logger for access,
> > > etc.) but what I'm wondering about is if there's anything analogous to
> > > changing the entire base dir (not just apps, but entire thing a la
> > > 3.x) ?
> >
> > The entire base directory is wherever the CATALINA_HOME environment
> > variable says it is, if you have that defined already.  I have my
> > CATALINA_HOME always set, so that I can have little scripts like
> > "catstart" to start it on demand from whatever directory I'm in:
> >
> >   $CATALINA_HOME/bin/catalina.sh start $@
>
> Ok my last try since I think I'm not being clear enough =)
>
> TC 3.x has this:
>
> 
> 
>
> ...allowing me to use a single $TOMCAT_HOME/conf, /bin, etc. dir, but
> many instances of /webapps, /work and /logs spread out wherever I
> like.  If Catalina has this something similar, then I'd like to make
> sure I document it in my "Running Multiple Instances" doc =)
>
> - r
>
>

No, Tomcat 4 doesn't currently have a thing like "home" -- patches are
welcome!  But, my point is you don't *need* "home" to accomplish the
goals you have articulated:

* For spreading webapp directories around, you have two options:

  - Use an absolute path for the  attribute

  - Use an absolute path for the  attribute
to set the base directory for all apps on that particular
virtual host, and let the contexts inside stay relative to that.
You'll note that in the default configuration, appBase is set
to "webapps" which (since it is relative) is resolved against
$CATALINA_HOME.

NOTE:  automatic context loading works in the "appBase" directory
of every  that you define.

* For spearding logs around, use the "directory" attribute on your
   elements.  Default value is "$CATALINA_HOME/logs".

* For spreading work directories around, use the "workDir" attribute
  on your  elements.  Default is calculated based on
  "$CATALINA_HOME/work" and then adding directory levels for the
  virtual host and the context path (minus the slash).

The only things that are fixed is that the following directories are
always assumed to be relative to $CATALINA_HOME:
* bin
* classes
* common/classes
* common/lib
* conf
* jasper
* lib
* server/classes
* server/lib

Everything else is just convenient defaults, whose values were initially
selected to be familiar to Tomcat 3.x users.

Craig



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Thanks (was Re: TC3.x - status)

[Paul Libbrecht]

Thanks,

Yes, real thanks for Tomcat, it does help our project a lot and was 
prbably one of the main tool we're using that encouraged us to go in 
the open-source spirit.

We are making a mathematical learning system called activemath (see 
www.mathweb.org/activemath) and are close to release. We are happily 
using tomcat as the only web and servlet engine, the jakart license 
provides us a worry-free environnement allowing us to concentrate on 
more math and learning oriented features.

It will be time one day we contribute to Tomcat, for sure... actually 
all my frustrations of web.xml were a lack of logging with them (this 
was fixed in 3.2 I think) and another we had suspected to be a real 
bug (an applet finally querying to load classes from another server) 
which  I believe is was, after all, a class-missing dumb problem. 
Those two contributions to Tomcat would have been... well... this 
should have turned to documentation.

So thanks again, this is a great tool and advances a fair amount the 
web-world and the freely-accessible knowledge philosophy.

Paul

PS: this class-missing problem turning out to be a security exception 
is a real problem (this was with NS4) and should be in some FAQ if 
there's any one day: an applet tries to load a class from the 
official source, not finding it tries some other stuffs... including 
the sun.* packages or (it happened to us) follows the link in the 
content delivered by the servlet (which happens to be in another 
package). Verbose class-loading is THE solution here.


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>I hope our ( those who contributed time to tomcat3 ) work on tomcat helps
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Re: Thanks for the make links and a rant

[Nick Bauman]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Roy Wilson wrote:

> Nick,
> 
> I agree that your example is simple. Even I can understand and create 
> such "toy" makefile. What I am complaining about is getting 

Not a toy. Really works.

By the way, Matthew, my boss, sent this earlier but it somehow never made
it to the list:

MATTHEW
 Hi Roy!
>
> If someone can provide a link to something like "Make for Dummies" I'd
> appreciate it.
>

You betcha, and fyi-- this format is VERY similar to the make file Nick
Bauman, myself and others use at our place of employment.  (Some might
say better!?)

At the very least, it's well documented.

 http://geosoft.no/javamake.html

enjoy.

 -Matthew

 PS>I've been resisting the temptation to get involved on the ant rant
 thread, but this link might suggest I'm a Make fan.

 PPS> I'm not.
MATTHEW


> evil/nasty/nested makefiles that don't work (unlike the MAKE_CONF 
> experience you've had) and having to understand all [exaggeration] of it 
> to find the presumably few line(s) that must be changed.

If you don't know make, this will happen. Same with Ant. =)
 
> I assume you're referring to Nash the game theorist. Back before WWII and 
> after, von Neumann (a founder of the discipline of computing) applied 
> functional analysis as developed by Banach to problems of mathematical 
> physics and economics. I didn't know that Nash used functional analysis 
> in game theory. Thanks for the opportunity to rant :-).

Well, Nash is purported to have solved the embedding theorem and was
working on a general theorem on turbulance before he lost his mind (maybe
he was writing Makefiles when he snapped. I rememeber it was either
Makefiles or Fermat's Last Theorem, I don't recall exactly, gah!)

> Roy
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> 
> On 11/13/00, 5:58:34 PM, Nick Bauman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding 
> Re: Thanks for the make links and a rant:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> > The makefile I used to compile Tomcat is thus:
> 
> > -8<--
> > # Keep track of the package name
> > PACKAGE=org.apache
> 
> > # Keep track of the package version
> > VERSION=3_2
> 
> > # where the maketools be
> > MAKE_CONF=./maketools
> 
> > include $(MAKE_CONF)/config.mk
> > include $(MAKE_CONF)/rules.mk
> > -8<--
> 
> > Can it be any simpler?
> 
> > Now I know that there is a lot of magic in the MAKE_CONF, but then you
> > don't have to worry about that. It just works.
> 
> > On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Roy Wilson wrote:
> 
> > > Nick,
> > >
> > > I have a copy of the FSF make manual: As our president used to say "I
> > > recur to my former statement [about make documentation]." :-) I'll have
> > > to check out the O'Reilly reference. See my rant below.
> > >
> > > Roy
> > >
> 
> > --
> > Nicolaus Bauman
> > Software Engineer
> > Simplexity Systems
> 
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Re: Thanks for the make links and a rant

[Roy Wilson]

Nick,

I agree that your example is simple. Even I can understand and create 
such "toy" makefile. What I am complaining about is getting 
evil/nasty/nested makefiles that don't work (unlike the MAKE_CONF 
experience you've had) and having to understand all [exaggeration] of it 
to find the presumably few line(s) that must be changed.

I assume you're referring to Nash the game theorist. Back before WWII and 
after, von Neumann (a founder of the discipline of computing) applied 
functional analysis as developed by Banach to problems of mathematical 
physics and economics. I didn't know that Nash used functional analysis 
in game theory. Thanks for the opportunity to rant :-).

Roy

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 11/13/00, 5:58:34 PM, Nick Bauman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding 
Re: Thanks for the make links and a rant:


 

> The makefile I used to compile Tomcat is thus:

> -8<--
> # Keep track of the package name
> PACKAGE=org.apache

> # Keep track of the package version
> VERSION=3_2

> # where the maketools be
> MAKE_CONF=./maketools

> include $(MAKE_CONF)/config.mk
> include $(MAKE_CONF)/rules.mk
> -8<--

> Can it be any simpler?

> Now I know that there is a lot of magic in the MAKE_CONF, but then you
> don't have to worry about that. It just works.

> On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Roy Wilson wrote:

> > Nick,
> >
> > I have a copy of the FSF make manual: As our president used to say "I
> > recur to my former statement [about make documentation]." :-) I'll have
> > to check out the O'Reilly reference. See my rant below.
> >
> > Roy
> >

> --
> Nicolaus Bauman
> Software Engineer
> Simplexity Systems



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Re: Thanks for the make links and a rant

[Nick Bauman]

Roy,

Having just read a biography of John Forbes Nash, I have but a wisp of
understanding of what a Banach space is.

However, you echo what I already said. Make is unlike any other tool in
the unix world. I think you could write a white paper on this,
seriously; like, entitled "where the hell did Make come from?" because
it's actually an example of how diverse a genius (or sadist,
depending on your prespective. I prefer the former) RMS is. It
resembles, at times, treatise on lingusitics. But I digress.

The makefile I used to compile Tomcat is thus:

-8<--
# Keep track of the package name
PACKAGE=org.apache

# Keep track of the package version
VERSION=3_2

# where the maketools be
MAKE_CONF=./maketools

include $(MAKE_CONF)/config.mk
include $(MAKE_CONF)/rules.mk
-8<--

Can it be any simpler?

Now I know that there is a lot of magic in the MAKE_CONF, but then you
don't have to worry about that. It just works.

On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Roy Wilson wrote:

> Nick,
> 
> I have a copy of the FSF make manual: As our president used to say "I 
> recur to my former statement [about make documentation]." :-) I'll have 
> to check out the O'Reilly reference. See my rant below.
> 
> Roy
> 

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Software Engineer
Simplexity Systems



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Thanks for the make links and a rant

[Roy Wilson]

Nick,

I have a copy of the FSF make manual: As our president used to say "I 
recur to my former statement [about make documentation]." :-) I'll have 
to check out the O'Reilly reference. See my rant below.

Roy
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>> Original Message <<



> http://www.gnu.org/manual/make/index.html

> It's not really that hard. 



Nothing is THAT hard once you have a context for new knowledge. For 
example, once you know what a Banach space is (a normed linear space), it 
is not THAT hard to understand what a Hilbert space is (a normed linear 
space endowed with an inner product). Now you know what a Hilbert space 
is, right? I don't take any pride in my "explanation" precisely because 
it assumes knowledge that few non/new mathematicians have. If you have 
that knowledge, I offer my congratulations/condolences. :-)

To begin to understand in a practical/computational way (yes, Dorothy, 
economists and physicists do digital computation in Banach and Hilbert 
space) the "explanation" I gave, however, you need to have worked with 
simple abstract spaces like the vector space built on top of the set of 
all continuous functions on the unit interval. Each continuous function 
is like a point: You then define a distance function, consider sequences 
of functions/points, convergence, topological completeness, etc. I would 
only say that such work is not that HARD for those who already have the 
context. My point was that most make documents I had seen seemed to 
presuppose that I had that kind of contextual knowledge.

> But ant is much less opaque, to be sure. I think this is important and 
the
> ant developers should be proud of this accomplishment.

> --
> Nicolaus Bauman



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