RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
But what if I am using form based auth? if I use apache and tomcat my form based auth doesn't work... Is it possible to use apache and tomcat and use form based auth? > -Original Message- > From: Jose Euclides da Silva Junior - DIGR.O > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 5:11 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RES: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? > > > However, its better used as an application server only, for > performance > improvement. But i dont know why?! > Regards, > > José Euclides Júnior > __ > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://euclides.8m.com > > > > -Mensagem original- > > De: Martin Mauri [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Enviada em: Segunda-feira, 5 de Março de 2001 15:49 > > Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Assunto:Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is > > > > also a web > > > > > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone > as a web server > > > > > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. > > > > > > > > Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages > > > > or standard CGI > > > > programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. > > > > > > > > -- Brett > > > > > > This is INCORRECT. Tomcat will serve static content as > well as dynamic. > > > This is very simple to test. Create a html file and > place it in your > > > webapp then try to access it. Bet if you have your > context configured > > > correctly it works! Depending on what you define as > "standard" cgi's > > > they will run as well. > > > > > > > In fact I'm using it to serve dynamic and static content, there's no > > problem > > with it, tomcat is a web enabled servlet container. > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > Or maybe your could just pass the cgi to a shell of some sort, it would set > up the enviroment ( .cshrc etc ) for you. The shell should inherit its > initial environment from its parent, ie the java exec. > > Oh yes, this causes 2 calls to exec|CreateProcess but if you really really > have to have CGI... I think for all that trouble, it might be easier to just use Apache, since it handles CGI very efficiently (especially if you want to use mod_perl). -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ Cutler Webster's Law: There are two sides to every argument, unless a person is personally involved, in which case there is only one. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
Or maybe your could just pass the cgi to a shell of some sort, it would set up the enviroment ( .cshrc etc ) for you. The shell should inherit its initial environment from its parent, ie the java exec. Oh yes, this causes 2 calls to exec|CreateProcess but if you really really have to have CGI... -Original Message- From: Randy Layman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? Its one of those things that is, and isn't, very easy. In its most simplistic form, running a CGI is as easy as calling exec. Passing parameters specificed by GET are set as enviornment parameters, which exec supports passing. Pasing POST data is as easy as connecting the CGI's input stream to the servlet's input stream. The HTML output is also just as simple. The real difficulty comes in when the CGI expects to have all of the regular machine's environment variables set (i.e. PATH, CLASSPATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, USER, etc). Setting them isn't the problem, getting them is, as Java has no way to read these. You could fetch them with a bit of native code, or a shell script (exec something like echo on MS-DOS, read, parse, and store the response). Randy -Original Message- From: Jan Labanowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:22 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Jan Labanowski Subject: RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a stand > alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run cgi progams. > Where is this simple servlet? Please do not confuse people... Supporting the CGI protocol according to specs is quite involved since Environment variables are concerned... If the servlet simple, I would like to see it... Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Milt Epstein wrote: > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Brett W. McCoy wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > > > > > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a > > > stand alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run > > > cgi progams. > > > > Sorry, I had been under the original impression that Tomcat couldn't > > do static pages or serverd them very inefficiently. I stand > > corrected. Running CGI via a servlet sounds dreadfully slow, > > though, especially if it has to do something like start up a Perl > > interpreter, unless someone creates mod_jperl or something. :-) > > This thread just goes to prove the old mailing list/newsgroup adage, > the best way to get responses is to post incorrect information :-). > > On a related note, I'm assuming it's possible to disable Tomcat as a > standalong web server (i.e. to just use it with Apache), but how does > one do that? Thanks. OK, I'll answer my own question, having found the solution five minutes after I sent that post out :-). Good thing I continued to search through the documentation :-). There are tags in server.xml that control how/what things "connect" to tomcat. The provided server.xml file contains connectors for standalone operation and interfacing with Apache (and a commented-out one for standalone SSL operation). Removing (or commenting-out) the one for standalone operation will disable standalone operation. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Software/Systems Development Group Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
>On a related note, I'm assuming it's possible to disable Tomcat as a >standalong web server (i.e. to just use it with Apache), but how does >one do that? Thanks. I would assume to just remove the HTTP connector in server.xml Filip > -Original Message- > From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:36 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? > > > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Brett W. McCoy wrote: > > > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > > > > > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a > > > stand alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run > > > cgi progams. > > > > Sorry, I had been under the original impression that Tomcat couldn't > > do static pages or serverd them very inefficiently. I stand > > corrected. Running CGI via a servlet sounds dreadfully slow, > > though, especially if it has to do something like start up a Perl > > interpreter, unless someone creates mod_jperl or something. :-) > > This thread just goes to prove the old mailing list/newsgroup adage, > the best way to get responses is to post incorrect information :-). > > On a related note, I'm assuming it's possible to disable Tomcat as a > standalong web server (i.e. to just use it with Apache), but how does > one do that? Thanks. > > Milt Epstein > Research Programmer > Software/Systems Development Group > Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO) > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
Its one of those things that is, and isn't, very easy. In its most simplistic form, running a CGI is as easy as calling exec. Passing parameters specificed by GET are set as enviornment parameters, which exec supports passing. Pasing POST data is as easy as connecting the CGI's input stream to the servlet's input stream. The HTML output is also just as simple. The real difficulty comes in when the CGI expects to have all of the regular machine's environment variables set (i.e. PATH, CLASSPATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, USER, etc). Setting them isn't the problem, getting them is, as Java has no way to read these. You could fetch them with a bit of native code, or a shell script (exec something like echo on MS-DOS, read, parse, and store the response). Randy -Original Message- From: Jan Labanowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:22 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Jan Labanowski Subject: RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a stand > alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run cgi progams. > Where is this simple servlet? Please do not confuse people... Supporting the CGI protocol according to specs is quite involved since Environment variables are concerned... If the servlet simple, I would like to see it... Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
Remove the line from the server.xml file for the HttpConnector (lines involving port 8080). Randy -Original Message- From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:36 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Brett W. McCoy wrote: > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > > > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a > > stand alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run > > cgi progams. > > Sorry, I had been under the original impression that Tomcat couldn't > do static pages or serverd them very inefficiently. I stand > corrected. Running CGI via a servlet sounds dreadfully slow, > though, especially if it has to do something like start up a Perl > interpreter, unless someone creates mod_jperl or something. :-) This thread just goes to prove the old mailing list/newsgroup adage, the best way to get responses is to post incorrect information :-). On a related note, I'm assuming it's possible to disable Tomcat as a standalong web server (i.e. to just use it with Apache), but how does one do that? Thanks. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Software/Systems Development Group Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
you can do that by disabling HTTP protocal from server.xml I think. The port # for that is 8080 by default... -Original Message- From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:36 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Brett W. McCoy wrote: > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > > > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a > > stand alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run > > cgi progams. > > Sorry, I had been under the original impression that Tomcat couldn't > do static pages or serverd them very inefficiently. I stand > corrected. Running CGI via a servlet sounds dreadfully slow, > though, especially if it has to do something like start up a Perl > interpreter, unless someone creates mod_jperl or something. :-) This thread just goes to prove the old mailing list/newsgroup adage, the best way to get responses is to post incorrect information :-). On a related note, I'm assuming it's possible to disable Tomcat as a standalong web server (i.e. to just use it with Apache), but how does one do that? Thanks. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Software/Systems Development Group Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Brett W. McCoy wrote: > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > > > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a > > stand alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run > > cgi progams. > > Sorry, I had been under the original impression that Tomcat couldn't > do static pages or serverd them very inefficiently. I stand > corrected. Running CGI via a servlet sounds dreadfully slow, > though, especially if it has to do something like start up a Perl > interpreter, unless someone creates mod_jperl or something. :-) This thread just goes to prove the old mailing list/newsgroup adage, the best way to get responses is to post incorrect information :-). On a related note, I'm assuming it's possible to disable Tomcat as a standalong web server (i.e. to just use it with Apache), but how does one do that? Thanks. Milt Epstein Research Programmer Software/Systems Development Group Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a stand > alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run cgi progams. > Where is this simple servlet? Please do not confuse people... Supporting the CGI protocol according to specs is quite involved since Environment variables are concerned... If the servlet simple, I would like to see it... Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
> > On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > > > > > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is > > also a web > > > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > > > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. > > > > Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages > > or standard CGI > > programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. > > > > -- Brett > > This is INCORRECT. Tomcat will serve static content as well as dynamic. > This is very simple to test. Create a html file and place it in your > webapp then try to access it. Bet if you have your context configured > correctly it works! Depending on what you define as "standard" cgi's > they will run as well. > In fact I'm using it to serve dynamic and static content, there's no problem with it, tomcat is a web enabled servlet container. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Samson, Lyndon [IT] wrote: > But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a stand > alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run cgi progams. Sorry, I had been under the original impression that Tomcat couldn't do static pages or serverd them very inefficiently. I stand corrected. Running CGI via a servlet sounds dreadfully slow, though, especially if it has to do something like start up a Perl interpreter, unless someone creates mod_jperl or something. :-) -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ And so it was, later, As the miller told his tale, That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale. -- Procol Harum - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
> On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > > > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is > also a web > > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. > > Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages > or standard CGI > programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. > > -- Brett This is INCORRECT. Tomcat will serve static content as well as dynamic. This is very simple to test. Create a html file and place it in your webapp then try to access it. Bet if you have your context configured correctly it works! Depending on what you define as "standard" cgi's they will run as well. --- Michael Wentzel Software Developer Software As We Think - http://www.aswethink.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Punisher of those who cannot spell dumb! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
But but but... tomcat does serve static pages. It can be used as a stand alone web server, and with a simple servlet, it could run cgi progams. -Original Message- From: Brett W . McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 5:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: tomcat Subject: Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is also a web > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages or standard CGI programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ Murphy's Law is recursive. Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Brett W . McCoy wrote: | On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: | | > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is also a web | > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server | > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. | | Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages or standard CGI | programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. This is not entirely correct, I believe.. All tomcats can be used as fully functioning stand alone webservers. But whether you'd want that or not is another question. Apache is faster on serving static webpages. So you can tie them together.. CGI programs I'm not quite sure about.. But I guess you could make an invoker or whatever it's called to do that too.. -- Mvh, Endre - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is also a web > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. I've used it in both situations and have been happy with each. Of course, there's no percievable difference when accessing static pages on unloaded servers, so one question becomes how many hits you expect. Bear in mind that the bottleneck for many servers will be the line speed, not the cpu or disk access times, so in many cases, your question becomes academic (IMHO). I don't think though that anyone would question the statement that Apache as native code will always perform better than a JVM server. But if Tomcat suits your needs (as it often does mine), who cares? Better keeping things simple. Kevin Sangeelee p.s. make sure, esp. if you run Tomcat 3.2.x standalone, that you get the latest version - there's an important bug-fix from version 3.2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
Tomcat will serve static pages also. Jay -Original Message- From: Brett W . McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: tomcat Subject: Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is also a web > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages or standard CGI programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ Murphy's Law is recursive. Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
you can use tomcat for static pages, but it's not recommended, since other web servers are faster, more reliable and already established as web servers. there is no way to use tomcat for CGI or PERL michael -Original Message- From: Brett W . McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: tomcat Subject: Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer? On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is also a web > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages or standard CGI programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ Murphy's Law is recursive. Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
"Brett W . McCoy" wrote: > > On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > > > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is also a web > > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. > > Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages or standard CGI > programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. > I wouldn't put "static pages" in that list where you did.. For basic use Tomcat serves "static pages" just fine... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is also a web > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. Yes... It just isn't recommended for high volume sites, as well as the fact that there are configuration directives that can be perfomed in Apache that aren't available in Tomcat. Tomcat is more "basic" as a web server. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat usability as a WebServer?
On 2001.03.05 12:36 Manish Shahdadpuri wrote: > I am a new Tomcat user. As far as I understand, tomcat is also a web > server in itself. Is it possible to use tomcat alone as a web server > without using any other WebServer e.g Apache etc. Only if you are serving JSP and servlets and no static pages or standard CGI programs. For that you will need Apache, iPlanet, IIS, etc. -- Brett http://www.chapelperilous.net/~bmccoy/ Murphy's Law is recursive. Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
