Re: [Toolserver-l] Pleasse cleanup user-store

2014-01-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
I reduced /mnt/user-store/git/ by about 4 GB with git gc. I doubt it 
helps much but there's nothing else I can do.


Nemo

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Re: [Toolserver-l] What will happen with the Toolserver domain?

2014-01-18 Thread Dr. Trigon
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I would vote strongly to keep the wiki and also JIRA somewhere
accessible. Both contain a serious amount of history and documentation.

Can that be done?

Greetings
DrTrigon


On 25.12.2013 21:05, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote:
 Hi all;
 
 I'm not sure if this has been discussed anywhere but, what will
 happen with the Toolserver domain?
 
 I'm not sure if ALL servers are going to be removed or a basic
 Apache is going to run in the domain the next years.
 
 Perhaps we can mantain a basic site, with the wiki, and a little
 museum?
 
 Regards, emijrp
 
 
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Re: [Toolserver-l] What will happen with the Toolserver domain?

2014-01-18 Thread Marlen Caemmerer

Hey,

this would be very easy from the technical side. The host that does this is not 
part of the cluster but sits in the US.
Still this host needs some sort of maintenance as long as its online so the 
perspective would probably be to reimport the data somewhere.
Adding Coren so he can keep it in mind.

Cheers
Marlen/nosy

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014, Dr. Trigon wrote:


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I would vote strongly to keep the wiki and also JIRA somewhere
accessible. Both contain a serious amount of history and documentation.

Can that be done?

Greetings
DrTrigon


On 25.12.2013 21:05, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote:

Hi all;

I'm not sure if this has been discussed anywhere but, what will
happen with the Toolserver domain?

I'm not sure if ALL servers are going to be removed or a basic
Apache is going to run in the domain the next years.

Perhaps we can mantain a basic site, with the wiki, and a little
museum?

Regards, emijrp


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Re: [Toolserver-l] Pleasse cleanup user-store

2014-01-18 Thread Marlen Caemmerer

Hello,


On Sat, 18 Jan 2014, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

I reduced /mnt/user-store/git/ by about 4 GB with git gc. I doubt it 
helps much but there's nothing else I can do.




I just wanted people to delete what they dont need anymore anyway.
Thanks for your effort.

Kind regards
Marlen/nosy

PS: the .usage file is still not complete but will be soon

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Re: [Toolserver-l] What will happen with the Toolserver domain?

2014-01-18 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/18/2014 03:29 PM, Dr. Trigon wrote:
 I would vote strongly to keep the wiki and also JIRA somewhere
 accessible. Both contain a serious amount of history and documentation.

There is an issue about both living on non-free platforms we have to
address before that's possible (I very much doubt that we can reasonably
maintain either Jira or Confluence on our infrastructure).

I don't know how /useful/ they would be, but static copies might be
appropriate; or we might need to find some other method by which to keep
those for history.

-- Marc


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Re: [Toolserver-l] What will happen with the Toolserver domain?

2014-01-18 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 01/18/2014 08:43 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
 or Confluence on our infrastructure

For some reason, I was convinced that Confluence was used as wiki
software on Toolserver.  Given that this is in fact Mediawiki, keeping a
historical copy for historical reasons is relatively simple and quite okay.

-- Marc



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Re: [Toolserver-l] What will happen with the Toolserver domain?

2014-01-18 Thread K. Peachey
It was (or attempted) I believe at one stage, which is why you might of had
that thought (see, you're not crazy!)


On 19 January 2014 11:54, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:

 On 01/18/2014 08:43 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
  or Confluence on our infrastructure

 For some reason, I was convinced that Confluence was used as wiki
 software on Toolserver.  Given that this is in fact Mediawiki, keeping a
 historical copy for historical reasons is relatively simple and quite okay.

 -- Marc



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Re: [Toolserver-l] What will happen with the Toolserver domain?

2014-01-18 Thread Tim Landscheidt
(anonymous) wrote:

 I would vote strongly to keep the wiki and also JIRA somewhere
 accessible. Both contain a serious amount of history and documentation.

 Can that be done?

 [...]

These are two very different problems.

AFAICS the wiki can be moved rather easily; your mail trig-
gered me to finally create the bug from my notes written
long ago :-) (cf. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/60220).
The Toolserver admins need to decouple the wiki from the
Toolserver SSO and dump users and data, the WMF admins need
to set up a (= just another) wiki without CentralAuth
(wmgUseCentralAuth = false IIRC), load users and data, reset
the/mail out new users' passwords and then
wiki.toolserver.org needs to be set as a CNAME for text-lb.

JIRA however is much more complicated.  You know from your
own experience (https://jira.toolserver.org/browse/TS-748
has now been unresolved for over three years) that few of
the Toolserver admins have time and knowledge with regard to
JIRA, while in the WMF camp they have probably zero.  So
compared with MediaWiki where (security) updates will be
regularly deployed with the rest of the cluster, someone
would have to keep a dedicated eye on a totally foreign sys-
tem.  And we only have a free licence from Atlassian which
could at some point be discontinued.  On the other hand the
benefits are very small as Merlijn wrote the fantastic JIRA/
Bugzilla importer which handles almost all cases.

Tim


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