Re: Topband: JT65 to EU?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian Duffell
I'm similarly half way to DXCC and in Europe. WSJT has been exclusively in
the 1838 segment and accounts for at least half of my DXCC total.

We cannot use 1800-1810 here.



Jim Miller j...@jtmiller.com wrote:

 I'm about half way to DXCC on 160 and looking for any way to move the
 needle. Most of my EU 160 has been CW but I've been wondering if any have
 had luck using WSJT modes either JT65 or JT9. If so is the 1838 segment
 where this occurs or do EU DX call in the DX window?
 
 73
 
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 http://www.contesting.com/_topband
 
 


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Re: Topband: JT65 to EU?

2014-11-11 Thread Jim Miller
Hi Brian

Thanks for the quick reply! Has it been mostly JT65 or have you seen JT9 in
use?

Thanks again

Jim
ab3cv

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Brian Duffell topb...@planet3.freeuk.co.uk
 wrote:

 I'm similarly half way to DXCC and in Europe. WSJT has been exclusively in
 the 1838 segment and accounts for at least half of my DXCC total.

 We cannot use 1800-1810 here.



 Jim Miller j...@jtmiller.com wrote:

  I'm about half way to DXCC on 160 and looking for any way to move the
  needle. Most of my EU 160 has been CW but I've been wondering if any have
  had luck using WSJT modes either JT65 or JT9. If so is the 1838 segment
  where this occurs or do EU DX call in the DX window?
 
  73
 
  jim ab3cv _ Topband Reflector Archives -
  http://www.contesting.com/_topband
 
 


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 G3VGZ
 Yarm England Europe


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Re: Topband: Balun or no balun

2014-11-11 Thread Tom W8JI
I have put up a 160 meter horizontal loop fed with 30 feet of 450 ohm feed 
line to my tuner.  I have a Radioworks 4 to 1 balun. I am considering 
splicing into the feed line at 10 feet so I can run 20 feet of  coax into 
the shack.  Thoughts?  I run a qrp plus on 160.




Hi Kirk,

Are you using the antenna on multiple bands? The best way to feed really 
depends on how you want to use the antenna.


A resonant 160 meter loop around 20-30 feet above the ground has a feedpoint 
impedance of around 50 ohms on 160, and about 80 ohms on 80 meters.  The 
antenna impedance isn't really high until 40 meters, where it would be 
resonant far outside the band and have a terrible mismatch to any feedline.


450 ohm line (which are usually around 400 ohms) is a needless mismatch for 
160 and 80, but would be better for 40 meters and up.


The 4:1 balun is the wrong impedance balun on any band for any feedline.

73 Tom

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Re: Topband: New RF interference killing RX at my QTH

2014-11-11 Thread Tom W8JI


By looking at the panadapter on my flex 6500, I can see KEES; they're not 
even THAT strong, (around -40 dbm) but the crud is definitely there, only 
down about 30 db from the main signal.  It takes multiple phone calls, 
emails, mean facebook posts, and text messages to KEES and the FCC to get 
anything done about it.  Same thing happened couple years ago...




When this happened before, do you know what happened to fix it?

I've had problems like that several times, sometimes from stations hundreds 
of miles away. Sometimes it is parasitics in the transmitter, and sometimes 
it is arcing in the antenna system.


Although it could be anything, for my cases the real long distance stuff has 
always been parasitics in transmitters. Parasitics are frequency selective, 
perhaps a few hundred kilohertz wide.


The close-in stuff from local stations has usually been arcing in antenna 
systems. Arcing in antennas is generally very wide bandwidth.


About half the time a nice call to the correct person at the radio station 
will get things fixed. The rest of the time it takes FCC involvement, which 
can be difficult. In the interests of smaller government and lack of skilled 
field engineers, the FCC has become far understaffed. You have to figure out 
how to work around the field engineer shortage problem, if you are sure it 
is the station's problem and the station does not want to fix it.


73 Tom 


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Re: Topband: JT65 to EU?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian D G3VGZ
Of my 55 dxccs on topband, 48 are cw, 34 JT65 and only 11 are JT9. There
seems little JT9 activity on 160 here. JT9 tends to overlap the JT65 segment
as phone is often using the higher end. Quite a few europeans are calling CQ
most evenings with few takers. W tends to start coming in around z in
the winter months peaking around 0300 after which I'm rarely around, but I
was surprised to get W1AW/4 in VA at 2220z cw last month. 

Jim Miller j...@jtmiller.com wrote:

 Hi Brian
 
 Thanks for the quick reply! Has it been mostly JT65 or have you seen JT9
 in use?
 
 Thanks again
 
 Jim ab3cv
 
 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Brian Duffell
 topb...@planet3.freeuk.co.uk
  wrote:
 
  I'm similarly half way to DXCC and in Europe. WSJT has been exclusively
  in the 1838 segment and accounts for at least half of my DXCC total.
 
  We cannot use 1800-1810 here.
 
 
 
  Jim Miller j...@jtmiller.com wrote:
 
   I'm about half way to DXCC on 160 and looking for any way to move the
   needle. Most of my EU 160 has been CW but I've been wondering if any
   have had luck using WSJT modes either JT65 or JT9. If so is the 1838
   segment where this occurs or do EU DX call in the DX window?
  
   73
  
   jim ab3cv _ Topband Reflector Archives -
   http://www.contesting.com/_topband
  
  
 
 
  -- Brian D G3VGZ Yarm England Europe
 
 
 _ Topband Reflector Archives -
 http://www.contesting.com/_topband
 
 


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Re: Topband: Balun or no balun

2014-11-11 Thread W7RF Dan

Kirk,

I put up a large horizontal loop and can use it just about everywhere but since 
I have a Yagi for 20-6M, the loop gets used primarily on 160-30M.
The loop I put up is about 1100 feet of wire in a square up 65 feet (supported 
by four 70 foot utility poles I planted in my field) fed with about 220 feet of 
450 ohm window line. The 1100 feet amount of wire was chosen more based on what 
I could fit but I wanted about 2 wavelengths on 160M. It works VERY well for DX 
on 80-40-30M and depending on wave angles, can work very well for DX on 160M. 
Stateside signals on 160-30M are very good as well. I worked FT5ZM on Amsterdam 
on 160M and I had a time window of about 20 minutes in my morning with signals 
up to 4 S units out of the noise, no headphones needed!
There are many mechanical considerations when using a feedpoint that is not 
supported but floating (I use a pulley system to raise and lower each corner).
I bring it back to the shack horizontally supported by PVC topped 10 foot TV 
mast. Then right where it enters my shack through a board pinched by the 
sliding window, I use RG-213 for about 5 feet to get through the wood and not 
to worry about unbalancing the parallel conductors as it is near metals in the 
window frame, etc.
To do this, I use the center conductors of the coax as each leg of the feedline 
and ground the shields at the tuner but leave the shields open where it meets 
the 450 ohm feedline. I use simple banana plugs/jacks at that outside junction 
to quickly disconnect for lightning.
I tune it with a Palstar BT-1500A true balanced line tuner.

I hope this gives you some food for thought showing how one Ham did it. On 80M 
results are sometimes better, sometimes worse than my full size 80M vertical, 
depending on what DX I'm working.
It has been said by many once you put up a loop, you never take it down.

If you are feeding it with 30 feet of 450 ohm window line that means it will 
not be up very high so I would expect your DX results would be limited on 160 
and 80M.

Undoubtedly there will be opinions but I can tell you that this configuration 
works incredibly well for me.

73, Dan W7RF
www.radiodan.com
Fort Collins, CO


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I have put up a 160 meter horizontal loop fed with 30 feet of 450 ohm feed line 
to my tuner.  I have a Radioworks 4 to 1 balun. I am considering splicing into 
the feed line at 10 feet so I can run 20 feet of  coax into the shack.  
Thoughts?  I run a qrp plus on 160.

Kirk
W3AW
Illinois

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Re: Topband: Balun or no balun

2014-11-11 Thread Dan Maguire via Topband
Tom wrote:
 A resonant 160 meter loop around 20-30 feet above the ground has a 
 feedpoint impedance of around 50 ohms on 160, and about 80 ohms on 80 
 meters. The antenna impedance isn't really high until 40 meters, where it 
 would be resonant far outside the band and have a terrible mismatch to any 
 feedline.

Expanding a bit on what Tom said, the source resistance at resonance will also 
depend on the type of ground.

With AutoEZ, I first used this dialog to create a 4-sided horizontal loop 
having a perimeter of P ft at a height of H ft above ground.

http://ac6la.com/adhoc/160mLoop1.png

I then created a series of test cases with H ranging from 10 to 90 ft (~0.02 
to 0.16 λ at 1.8 MHz) in 5 ft steps and with P having an initial value of 560 
ft (~1005/Freq).  Then the Resonate button was used to automatically adjust 
the loop perimeter P for resonance at each height.

http://ac6la.com/adhoc/160mLoop2.png

Repeating that process for three different ground types gives this result for 
the source resistance.

http://ac6la.com/adhoc/160mLoop3.png

With the perimeter frozen at 560 ft, on 40m the loop will not be resonant, as 
Tom said.  The source *reactance* will be a few hundred ohms negative.  The 
source *resistance* will look like this.

http://ac6la.com/adhoc/160mLoop4.png

On the other hand, if you calculate the source resistance for a 40m *resonant* 
loop (*not* the scenario that the OP described nor which Tom addressed but just 
to illustrate), where the loop perimeter is ~145 ft and where 90 ft above 
ground is ~0.65 λ instead of ~0.16 λ, you'll get this.

http://ac6la.com/adhoc/160mLoop5.png

If you'd like to duplicate these results, or run calculations for a different 
band, the following model file is suitable for use with the free demo version 
of AutoEZ (http://ac6la.com/autoez.html).  You'll also need EZNEC and Microsoft 
Excel.

http://ac6la.com/adhoc/160mLoop.weq

Download that file, use the AutoEZ Open Model File button to open it, tab to 
the Calculate sheet, select all the P values (cells D11-D27), and click the 
Resonate button.  Or change all the frequencies to your new choice and set 
all the initial P values to ~1005/Freq (initial value not critical), then 
click Resonate.  Or just set all the frequencies and P values as desired 
and click Calculate All Rows instead of Resonate.  In any case, make sure 
EZNEC is already open in a separate window beforehand.

When the calculations finish tab to the Custom chart sheet.  Select R at Src 
for the chart Y axis and Variable 1 (which is H, height) for the chart X 
axis.

Dan, AC6LA
http://ac6la.com
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Topband: Nintendo 3DS After Market Power Supply 160 meters RFI

2014-11-11 Thread Don Kirk
This past weekend I encountered interference on 160 meters that I tracked
down to a neighbors Nintendo 3DS after market power supply.  Full details
can be found on a simple website I created to document this case.  My
website URL is http://sites.google.com/site/3dspowersupplyrfi/

73,
Don Kirk (wd8dsb)
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