Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[John Zantek]

> To keep this on-topic, I worked H40TT on 20 SSB today and told him that we'd 
> like some CW on topband. He said that was the other op, but thought he would 
> be trying tonight (our morning).

That would have been Grant/KZ1W, who organized the trip and does SSB/FT8.  
Rob/N7QT does the CW and is _very_ good.  Both are members of Western WA DX 
Club and are great fellows.  They're packing up and coming home on Thursday.  
It's been a REALLY wet trip for them; there were delays in getting the low band 
receive antennas up, since the local boys couldn't safely climb the slippery 
trees in the rain/wind.  I was fortunate to work Rob the first night (my 
morning) they were on TB, then Grant the next night on digital.  There was also 
no Internet access, so back-channel comms were limited to Rob's Garmin InReach.

73 John W7CD


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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Michael Walker]

I wasn't hiding anything.  My callsign is in my email address.

Just tired about hearing from all the whiners.  It is like they are being
told to use it or .. what ever.

The comment was posted full well knowing that it was going cause another
sh*tstorm so to speak.

Mike va3mw

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:43 PM Doug Renwick  wrote:

> Well Mr Walker you don't even have the balls to sign your message. Your
> problem is you can't handle the truth and have to resort to name calling
> which makes you the bully. Good work Alan!!
> Doug
>
> "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its
> limits." Albert Einstein
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: November-25-19 8:30 PM
> To: Alan Swinger
> Cc: Wes; topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
>
> Nice.
>
> Your comment was really not even worth making. Let’s call it bullying
>
> > On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Alan Swinger 
> wrote:
> >
> > So, your computer worked him while you were out of the room and not at
> the rig!? If only there was an award for computers vice operators. - Alan
> K9MBQ
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >> From: Wes 
> >> Sent: Nov 25, 2019 7:42 AM
> >> To: topband@contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
> >>
> >> Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.  Haven't figured out
> whether
> >> it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of
> FT8.
> >> Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile
> before
> >> deciding to come into the office and check my email.
> >>
> >> I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at
> 12:26:30 with
> >> a -15 signal report.
> >>
> >> Wes  N7WS
> >>
> >>> On 11/25/2019 4:46 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> >>> I finally worked them, just a couple
> >>> minutes ago FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836
> >>> band plan, Right in the middle of my gray
> >>> line, 6:30AM local.
> >>>
> >>> I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm
> >>> 75' from AMTRAK and gray line is always
> >>> obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic
> >>> with me being 5 minutes away from New
> >>> London, CT, a major hub between Boston &
> >>> NYC. During the contest I missed several
> >>> gray line contacts because I couldn't hear
> >>> anything for 30 seconds with each passing
> >>> train and that's the busiest commuter
> >>> time.
> >>>
> >>> Grouse grouse...
> >>>
> >>> One of the impressive things I notice with
> >>> JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows
> >>> bright red obliteration of the signal and
> >>> headphones are also obliterated when the
> >>> trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there
> >>> is almost no indication of the RFI from
> >>> the train passing. I was -22 & they were
> >>> -18 so the signals were low indeed.
> >>>
> >>> Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160,
> >>> it's never a sure bet.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>> KA1J
> >>>
> >>
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Michael Walker]

Nice.   

Your comment was really not even worth making. Let’s call it bullying

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Alan Swinger  wrote:
> 
> So, your computer worked him while you were out of the room and not at the 
> rig!? If only there was an award for computers vice operators. - Alan K9MBQ
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Wes 
>> Sent: Nov 25, 2019 7:42 AM
>> To: topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
>> 
>> Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.  Haven't figured out 
>> whether 
>> it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8. 
>> Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before 
>> deciding to come into the office and check my email.
>> 
>> I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at 12:26:30 
>> with 
>> a -15 signal report.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>>> On 11/25/2019 4:46 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>>> I finally worked them, just a couple
>>> minutes ago FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836
>>> band plan, Right in the middle of my gray
>>> line, 6:30AM local.
>>> 
>>> I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm
>>> 75' from AMTRAK and gray line is always
>>> obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic
>>> with me being 5 minutes away from New
>>> London, CT, a major hub between Boston &
>>> NYC. During the contest I missed several
>>> gray line contacts because I couldn't hear
>>> anything for 30 seconds with each passing
>>> train and that's the busiest commuter
>>> time.
>>> 
>>> Grouse grouse...
>>> 
>>> One of the impressive things I notice with
>>> JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows
>>> bright red obliteration of the signal and
>>> headphones are also obliterated when the
>>> trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there
>>> is almost no indication of the RFI from
>>> the train passing. I was -22 & they were
>>> -18 so the signals were low indeed.
>>> 
>>> Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160,
>>> it's never a sure bet.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> KA1J
>>> 
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Wes]

My friend Larry, is being a bit too effusive, but I'll take it.

I have no animosity toward guys who use FT8, this is a personal hobby and 
everyone has their own set of rules.  Personally, it isn't my cup of tea and I 
do not apply for DXCC credits for FT8 QSOs.  I do QSL via LoTW for the other guys.


A couple of clubs I'm in have almost unspoken internal competition for the most 
slots worked on some of the bigger DXpeditions and to remain competitive I'm 
forced into using FT8.  Frankly, I don't do this on every expedition. 
Nevertheless, that's why the program is on the computer.


To keep this on-topic, I worked H40TT on 20 SSB today and told him that we'd 
like some CW on topband. He said that was the other op, but thought he would be 
trying tonight (our morning).


Wes   N7WS


On 11/25/2019 3:18 PM, Larry wrote:
I think that you guys are missing the point. Knowing Wes I am sure that post 
was pure sarcasm. He is a CW op surpreme.

Larry
N7DD

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Re: Topband: VU2 on top band

[vu2gsm via Topband]

Hello All,
It is 1800 -1825 khz.presently and there has been no change as on date.
Interestingly, during the last week 's contest I noticed no stations operating 
from 1800 -1810 khz.  ( only EU?. ). What are the band allocations , on Top 
Band,  for Americas?
Thanks
de
vu2gsm

Kanti


> On Nov 25, 2019, at 22:26, K9FD  wrote:
> 
> I have worked VU on top band just before their rules changed and they were
> not allowed to use freq around 1840,   today I worked VU2 on top band again
> and he was on 1840.   I wonder if any one knows if the rules have changed
> again and they are allowed to use those freqs.
> 
> One thing I notice "that" mode is good for is watching for peaks and nulls in
> received signals,   I hear a lot of folks saying they are not seeing sunrise 
> and
> sunset peaks,   I see them as I have for the past 50 plus years of operating 
> top band.
> I watched today as the VU2 went from -20 at 1634Z to -13 at 1650Z, my
> sunrise is 1646Z,  so there was a definite peak at my sunrise as there
> normally is.   I also have a peak about an hour before sunrise normally,
> Sunset is the same,  signals peak at sunset and again an hour after.
> 
> I was hoping to catch 5H3 on top band for one of the two last zones for
> WAZ from this QTH.   But heard or saw nothing of him.   I think I have a
> shot if he would hang around until my sunrise.   But not to be.
> 
> 73 Merv K9FD  Molokai Island Hawaii.
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Alan Swinger]

Perhaps, but he (and I & S57AD) makes my point about no-operator Computer 
contacts. As I have said before, have no objection to such operation but think 
for award purposes there should be a separate FT-xx category . . . different 
and separate from the current DXCC/Challenge Digital and all other 
DXCC/Challenge categories. - Alan K9MBQ


-Original Message-
>From: Larry via Topband 
>Sent: Nov 25, 2019 5:18 PM
>To: topband@contesting.com
>Cc: wes_n...@triconet.org, topband@contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
>
>I think that you guys are missing the point. Knowing Wes I am sure that post 
>was pure sarcasm. He is a CW op surpreme.LarryN7DD
>
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>
>So, your computer worked him while you were out of the room and not at the 
>rig!? If only there was an award for computers vice operators. - Alan K9MBQ
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Wes 
>>Sent: Nov 25, 2019 7:42 AM
>>To: topband@contesting.com
>>Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
>>
>>Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.  Haven't figured out 
>>whether 
>>it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8. 
>>Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before 
>>deciding to come into the office and check my email.
>>
>>I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at 12:26:30 
>>with 
>>a -15 signal report.
>>
>>Wes  N7WS
>>
>>On 11/25/2019 4:46 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>>> I finally worked them, just a couple
>>> minutes ago FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836
>>> band plan, Right in the middle of my gray
>>> line, 6:30AM local.
>>>
>>> I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm
>>> 75' from AMTRAK and gray line is always
>>> obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic
>>> with me being 5 minutes away from New
>>> London, CT, a major hub between Boston &
>>> NYC. During the contest I missed several
>>> gray line contacts because I couldn't hear
>>> anything for 30 seconds with each passing
>>> train and that's the busiest commuter
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Grouse grouse...
>>>
>>> One of the impressive things I notice with
>>> JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows
>>> bright red obliteration of the signal and
>>> headphones are also obliterated when the
>>> trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there
>>> is almost no indication of the RFI from
>>> the train passing. I was -22 & they were
>>> -18 so the signals were low indeed.
>>>
>>> Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160,
>>> it's never a sure bet.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Gary
>>> KA1J
>>>
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Larry via Topband]

I think that you guys are missing the point. Knowing Wes I am sure that post 
was pure sarcasm. He is a CW op surpreme.LarryN7DD

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-Original Message-
>From: Wes 
>Sent: Nov 25, 2019 7:42 AM
>To: topband@contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
>
>Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.  Haven't figured out whether 
>it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8. 
>Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before 
>deciding to come into the office and check my email.
>
>I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at 12:26:30 
>with 
>a -15 signal report.
>
>Wes  N7WS
>
>On 11/25/2019 4:46 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>> I finally worked them, just a couple
>> minutes ago FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836
>> band plan, Right in the middle of my gray
>> line, 6:30AM local.
>>
>> I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm
>> 75' from AMTRAK and gray line is always
>> obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic
>> with me being 5 minutes away from New
>> London, CT, a major hub between Boston &
>> NYC. During the contest I missed several
>> gray line contacts because I couldn't hear
>> anything for 30 seconds with each passing
>> train and that's the busiest commuter
>> time.
>>
>> Grouse grouse...
>>
>> One of the impressive things I notice with
>> JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows
>> bright red obliteration of the signal and
>> headphones are also obliterated when the
>> trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there
>> is almost no indication of the RFI from
>> the train passing. I was -22 & they were
>> -18 so the signals were low indeed.
>>
>> Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160,
>> it's never a sure bet.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>>
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[fmoeves]

Oh boy here we go again... Lol Fred KB4QZH 
 Original message From: Alan Swinger  
Date: 11/25/19  4:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Wes , 
topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m So, your computer 
worked him while you were out of the room and not at the rig!? If only there 
was an award for computers vice operators. - Alan K9MBQ-Original 
Message->From: Wes >Sent: Nov 25, 2019 7:42 AM>To: 
topband@contesting.com>Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m>>Conditions are 
awful with horrible noise this AM.  Haven't figured out whether >it is local or 
what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8. >Nevertheless, I set 
up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before >deciding to come into 
the office and check my email.>>I just stepped back into the shack and see that 
"I" worked him at 12:26:30 with >a -15 signal report.>>Wes  N7WS>>On 11/25/2019 
4:46 AM, Gary Smith wrote:>> I finally worked them, just a couple>> minutes ago 
FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836>> band plan, Right in the middle of my gray>> 
line, 6:30AM local. I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm>> 75' from 
AMTRAK and gray line is always>> obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic>> with 
me being 5 minutes away from New>> London, CT, a major hub between Boston &>> 
NYC. During the contest I missed several>> gray line contacts because I 
couldn't hear>> anything for 30 seconds with each passing>> train and that's 
the busiest commuter>> time. Grouse grouse... One of the impressive 
things I notice with>> JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows>> bright red 
obliteration of the signal and>> headphones are also obliterated when the>> 
trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there>> is almost no indication of the RFI 
from>> the train passing. I was -22 & they were>> -18 so the signals were low 
indeed. Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160,>> it's never a sure 
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[S57AD]

But, his computer used a handkey :P


V V pon., 25. nov. 2019 ob 22:55 je oseba Alan Swinger <
awswin...@earthlink.net> napisala:

> So, your computer worked him while you were out of the room and not at the
> rig!? If only there was an award for computers vice operators. - Alan K9MBQ
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Wes 
> >Sent: Nov 25, 2019 7:42 AM
> >To: topband@contesting.com
> >Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
> >
> >Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.  Haven't figured out
> whether
> >it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8.
> >Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile
> before
> >deciding to come into the office and check my email.
> >
> >I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at
> 12:26:30 with
> >a -15 signal report.
> >
> >Wes  N7WS
> >
> >On 11/25/2019 4:46 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> >> I finally worked them, just a couple
> >> minutes ago FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836
> >> band plan, Right in the middle of my gray
> >> line, 6:30AM local.
> >>
> >> I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm
> >> 75' from AMTRAK and gray line is always
> >> obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic
> >> with me being 5 minutes away from New
> >> London, CT, a major hub between Boston &
> >> NYC. During the contest I missed several
> >> gray line contacts because I couldn't hear
> >> anything for 30 seconds with each passing
> >> train and that's the busiest commuter
> >> time.
> >>
> >> Grouse grouse...
> >>
> >> One of the impressive things I notice with
> >> JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows
> >> bright red obliteration of the signal and
> >> headphones are also obliterated when the
> >> trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there
> >> is almost no indication of the RFI from
> >> the train passing. I was -22 & they were
> >> -18 so the signals were low indeed.
> >>
> >> Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160,
> >> it's never a sure bet.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Gary
> >> KA1J
> >>
> >
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Alan Swinger]

So, your computer worked him while you were out of the room and not at the 
rig!? If only there was an award for computers vice operators. - Alan K9MBQ


-Original Message-
>From: Wes 
>Sent: Nov 25, 2019 7:42 AM
>To: topband@contesting.com
>Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m
>
>Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.  Haven't figured out whether 
>it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8. 
>Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before 
>deciding to come into the office and check my email.
>
>I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at 12:26:30 
>with 
>a -15 signal report.
>
>Wes  N7WS
>
>On 11/25/2019 4:46 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>> I finally worked them, just a couple
>> minutes ago FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836
>> band plan, Right in the middle of my gray
>> line, 6:30AM local.
>>
>> I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm
>> 75' from AMTRAK and gray line is always
>> obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic
>> with me being 5 minutes away from New
>> London, CT, a major hub between Boston &
>> NYC. During the contest I missed several
>> gray line contacts because I couldn't hear
>> anything for 30 seconds with each passing
>> train and that's the busiest commuter
>> time.
>>
>> Grouse grouse...
>>
>> One of the impressive things I notice with
>> JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows
>> bright red obliteration of the signal and
>> headphones are also obliterated when the
>> trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there
>> is almost no indication of the RFI from
>> the train passing. I was -22 & they were
>> -18 so the signals were low indeed.
>>
>> Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160,
>> it's never a sure bet.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>>
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Re: Topband: AS / EU QRM - The Cocktail Party Effect

[Richard McLachlan]

The QRM levels here in EU are only really a big problem during contests. In 
early evening our time (1600-2000 UTC) there are a lot of Eastern Europeans on 
but as the band is not yet open to the West that is not a problem. I tend not 
to operate from around 2200 to 0500 but if I get up early 160 is really quiet 
between 0530 UTC and dawn at 0700ish. I can then typically only hear a few USA 
stalwarts on the band with no QRM whatsoever.

73
Richard
G3OQT

> On 25 Nov 2019, at 19:13, David Olean  wrote:
> 
> OK I guess the problem is QRM levels in EU.  The CQ WW weekend is a big 
> difference from a typical Wednesday or Thursday evening. I was just getting 
> paranoid when many stations in a row could not copy me while I was hearing 
> them with great signals and 559 to 589.  I am thinking that maybe my Europe 
> beverage is working very well. It is long at about 1100-1200 ft (350M) and 
> consists of two sets of wires spaced 400 ft apart. (120M)  We had terrific 
> winds on Friday night and I was not QRV but wondered if any trees had fallen 
> in the woods due to the high winds. I had just fixed all my receive wires two 
> weeks ago. I walked along my beverage wires today, and found a huge tree had 
> fallen across my South beverage and broken the wire. It also ripped the 
> termination off the far end.  Next I found another tree that managed to fall 
> across both the South beverage as well as one of my Europe beverages. I had 
> to get the chainsaw out and now I have a full pickup truck load of firewood 
> and the two an
 tennas are working well again. I also had a tree across the JA beverage.  My 
East, Southwest, and West wires all were OK. There are a few more I have not 
gotten to yet. Maintaining wires in the woods is never ending!
> 
> On Saturday night, I saw no problem with the EU wires or the JA wire (It 
> works well towards Hawaii and CA) even though they had problems. I did sense 
> that my South wire was not so hot. No wonder, it was broken in half and 
> laying on the ground with no termination on the southern end.  The EU wire 
> seemed OK to me even with a tree across it. Same with the JA wire.  Oh well, 
> at least I got some firewood out of the deal.
> 
> 73
> 
> Dave K1WHS
> 
>> On 11/25/2019 3:08 PM, Fred Kleber wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Top Banders,
>> Having operated from the other end on a number of continents, I offer the 
>> following explanations of why NA hams may wonder why they can't work distant 
>> stations:
>> SE Asia - The amount of non-ham QRM in the ham bands is unbelievable.  Most 
>> notable are the Indonesian (and probably other countries) fisherman who 
>> populate wide swaths of spectrum and have little to no regard for spectrum 
>> allocations.  They just go buy a cheap ham rig, make it general coverage, 
>> and off they go.  Additionally the beacons on fishing nets can also create 
>> quite a racket.  Oh yes, the commercial power suppliers in poorer countries 
>> most likely don't even care about repairing line nose.  One other challenge 
>> is the echo from NA stations which is frequently present on the low bands.  
>> Pileups particularly exacerbate this phenomenon.
>> Europe - Here's the cocktail party analogy.  When a cocktail party starts, a 
>> few people come in the door, grab a drink and start talking to each other.  
>> As more people join the party, the room fills up and the ambient noise (QRM) 
>> rises.  In order to be communicate, guests talk louder.  More people join 
>> the party and the audible QRM noise floor rises.  In the radio world 
>> parallel, equate guest's speech with RF and talking louder with running more 
>> power.  Then consider that many countries don't effectively regulate TX 
>> power output, and you have a real mess.  Most north american's can't 
>> understand when I tell them that if you're not at least S-9 on 80-20 meters, 
>> you're most likely not going to be heard.
>> I hope you find this information useful.
>> 73 & good DX,Fred, NP2X / K9VV et al.
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Re: Topband: AS / EU QRM - The Cocktail Party Effect

[David Olean]

OK I guess the problem is QRM levels in EU.  The CQ WW weekend is a big 
difference from a typical Wednesday or Thursday evening. I was just 
getting paranoid when many stations in a row could not copy me while I 
was hearing them with great signals and 559 to 589.  I am thinking that 
maybe my Europe beverage is working very well. It is long at about 
1100-1200 ft (350M) and consists of two sets of wires spaced 400 ft 
apart. (120M)  We had terrific winds on Friday night and I was not QRV 
but wondered if any trees had fallen in the woods due to the high winds. 
I had just fixed all my receive wires two weeks ago. I walked along my 
beverage wires today, and found a huge tree had fallen across my South 
beverage and broken the wire. It also ripped the termination off the far 
end.  Next I found another tree that managed to fall across both the 
South beverage as well as one of my Europe beverages. I had to get the 
chainsaw out and now I have a full pickup truck load of firewood and the 
two antennas are working well again. I also had a tree across the JA 
beverage.  My East, Southwest, and West wires all were OK. There are a 
few more I have not gotten to yet. Maintaining wires in the woods is 
never ending!


On Saturday night, I saw no problem with the EU wires or the JA wire (It 
works well towards Hawaii and CA) even though they had problems. I did 
sense that my South wire was not so hot. No wonder, it was broken in 
half and laying on the ground with no termination on the southern end.  
The EU wire seemed OK to me even with a tree across it. Same with the JA 
wire.  Oh well, at least I got some firewood out of the deal.


73

Dave K1WHS

On 11/25/2019 3:08 PM, Fred Kleber wrote:


Hi Top Banders,
Having operated from the other end on a number of continents, I offer the 
following explanations of why NA hams may wonder why they can't work distant 
stations:
SE Asia - The amount of non-ham QRM in the ham bands is unbelievable.  Most 
notable are the Indonesian (and probably other countries) fisherman who 
populate wide swaths of spectrum and have little to no regard for spectrum 
allocations.  They just go buy a cheap ham rig, make it general coverage, and 
off they go.  Additionally the beacons on fishing nets can also create quite a 
racket.  Oh yes, the commercial power suppliers in poorer countries most likely 
don't even care about repairing line nose.  One other challenge is the echo 
from NA stations which is frequently present on the low bands.  Pileups 
particularly exacerbate this phenomenon.
Europe - Here's the cocktail party analogy.  When a cocktail party starts, a 
few people come in the door, grab a drink and start talking to each other.  As 
more people join the party, the room fills up and the ambient noise (QRM) 
rises.  In order to be communicate, guests talk louder.  More people join the 
party and the audible QRM noise floor rises.  In the radio world parallel, 
equate guest's speech with RF and talking louder with running more power.  Then 
consider that many countries don't effectively regulate TX power output, and 
you have a real mess.  Most north american's can't understand when I tell them 
that if you're not at least S-9 on 80-20 meters, you're most likely not going 
to be heard.
I hope you find this information useful.
73 & good DX,Fred, NP2X / K9VV et al.
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Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 203, Issue 22

[Ross Johnson]

Well to even admit you have installed WSJT in you computer , use it to 
work H40TT

then stab FT8 in the back is some hypercritical me thinks !!
"I"  also worked said station FT8 and tried cw.

Ross   ZL3RJ   ( from small sized section ( lot )  at the other end of 
our world.


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: H40TT on 160 (ws6x@gmail.com)
   2. Saturday Night (Roger Kennedy)
   3. AS / EU QRM - The Cocktail Party Effect (Fred Kleber)
   4. Re: Saturday Night (g3nkc)
   5. OFF TOPIC: AMP NEEDS RIDE FROM DFW TO FL (Artek Manuals)
   6. VU2 on top band (K9FD)


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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 05:42:54 -0700

From: Wes 

Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m



Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.? Haven't figured out whether

it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8.

Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before

deciding to come into the office and check my email.



I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at 12:26:30 with

a -15 signal report.







Wes,

Can you check your playback text files to see if "I" worked him around 12:20? ?

Jim - WS6X



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I too came on for a couple of hours on 160m during the CQ WW . . .

Top Band wasn't at all noisy here in Europe, although conditions weren't
nearly as good as during the week - most signals were about 15dB down.

I worked everyone I could hear (about 20 NA stations, and a couple of
Caribbeans) . . . but as Dave G3NKC posted, the problem is that there are
dozens of very strong Europeans on the band (some S9 +40dB with me!), so
picking out the weak DX signals in-between can be hard work, even with good
filters ! (especially as they weren't as strong as normal)

That's the problem with Top Band, even compared to 80m, there's no Skip, so
you hear everyone on the band ! (on 80m even other Gs can sometimes be quite
weak . . . but that never happens on 160m)

Actually I heard several other NA stations . . . including K1WHS . . . but
they were calling EU stations, so I couldn't call them. If they had called
CQ I'm sure I could have worked them.  (I didn't want to put out a CQ call
myself, as I would have had hundreds of EU stations calling me! Do you think
you can call CQ DX during a Contest?!))

Roger G3YRO



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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:08:56 + (UTC)
From: Fred Kleber 
To: "topband@contesting.com" 
Subject: Topband: AS / EU QRM - The Cocktail Party Effect
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Hi Top Banders,
Having operated from the other end on a number of continents, I offer the 
following explanations of why NA hams may wonder why they can't work distant 
stations:?
SE Asia - The amount of non-ham QRM in the ham bands is unbelievable.? Most 
notable are the Indonesian (and probably other countries) fisherman who 
populate wide swaths of spectrum and have little to no regard for spectrum 
allocations.? They just go buy a cheap ham rig, make it general coverage, and 
off they go.? Additionally the beacons on fishing nets can also create quite a 
racket.? Oh yes, the commercial power suppliers in poorer countries most likely 
don't even care about repairing line nose.? One other challenge is the echo 
from NA stations which is frequently present on the low bands.? Pileups 
particularly exacerbate this phenomenon.??
Europe - Here's the cocktail party analogy.? When a cocktail party starts, a 
few people come in the door, grab a drink and start talking to each other.? As 
more people join the party, the room fills up and the ambient noise (QRM) 
rises.? In order to be communicate, guests talk louder.? More people join the 
party and the audible QRM noise floor rises.? In the radio world parallel, 
equate gu

Topband: Stew Perry Plaques

[Tree]

The plaques for the 2018 Stew Perry are at the engravers and should ship
out in the first week of December.

The list of plaques sponsored for the 2019 event continues to grow.

Both the list of winners from 2018 and plaques available for 2019 can be
viewed on this page - https://www.kkn.net/stew/stew_plaques.html

For another week - we will hold the price at $65 for each plaque - but that
might change after I see how much it costs so ship these puppies to the
four corners of the Earth.

While conditions kind of sucked this past weekend, they have generally been
excellent on Topband.  We expect good conditions for the big Stew coming up
on December 28th/29th.

Tree N6TR
Temporary, and not as elegant, plaque-meister
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Topband: VU2 on top band

[K9FD]

I have worked VU on top band just before their rules changed and they were
not allowed to use freq around 1840,   today I worked VU2 on top band again
and he was on 1840.   I wonder if any one knows if the rules have changed
again and they are allowed to use those freqs.

One thing I notice "that" mode is good for is watching for peaks and 
nulls in
received signals,   I hear a lot of folks saying they are not seeing 
sunrise and
sunset peaks,   I see them as I have for the past 50 plus years of 
operating top band.

I watched today as the VU2 went from -20 at 1634Z to -13 at 1650Z, my
sunrise is 1646Z,  so there was a definite peak at my sunrise as there
normally is.   I also have a peak about an hour before sunrise normally,
Sunset is the same,  signals peak at sunset and again an hour after.

I was hoping to catch 5H3 on top band for one of the two last zones for
WAZ from this QTH.   But heard or saw nothing of him.   I think I have a
shot if he would hang around until my sunrise.   But not to be.

73 Merv K9FD  Molokai Island Hawaii.

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Topband: OFF TOPIC: AMP NEEDS RIDE FROM DFW TO FL

[Artek Manuals]

Apologies in advance for off topic post

If there is anyone on the list in the DFW area that is DRIVING to 
FLORIDA between now and the end of the year?   I have an 80 lb amplifier 
( Alpha 9500) that needs a ride. Would obviously much rather it make the 
trip in someone's trunk than pay the gorillas at the various shipping 
services to drop test  it several times.


We will have the unit delivered to your house and we will meet you on 
this end preferably in the Tampa/Orlando area but other spots in Florida 
are workable. beggars cant be too choosy. We will gladly pay your gas 
bill as a return for the favor


I suppose anyone driving round trip from Tampa/Orlando to DFW for the 
holidays would also work, bringing the amp back on your return?


Contact me OFF LIST PLEASE

Dave
NR1DX
nr...@arrl.net
manu...@artekmanuals.com



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Re: Topband: Saturday Night

[g3nkc via Topband]

Just waiting for my flight back From GD.Whenever I ran, we had immense pile 
ups, seems that there is less discipline each year.  It can be frustrating in 
EU for us too  , I am betting some dx would have called me  , but wouldn't have 
got through the wall.I did work FY5, CX6, KP2, KP3,  JT5, PJ4, V47, and all US 
zones.Couldn't raise HI3CC, C6AGU, or ZW5BI think 160 was in good shape. 73 
Dave G3NKC  / MD4K Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Roger Kennedy 
 Date: 25/11/2019  14:49  (GMT+00:00) To: 
topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: Saturday Night I too came on for a 
couple of hours on 160m during the CQ WW . . .Top Band wasn't at all noisy here 
in Europe, although conditions weren'tnearly as good as during the week - most 
signals were about 15dB down.I worked everyone I could hear (about 20 NA 
stations, and a couple ofCaribbeans) . . . but as Dave G3NKC posted, the 
problem is that there aredozens of very strong Europeans on the band (some S9 
+40dB with me!), sopicking out the weak DX signals in-between can be hard work, 
even with goodfilters ! (especially as they weren't as strong as normal)That's 
the problem with Top Band, even compared to 80m, there's no Skip, soyou hear 
everyone on the band ! (on 80m even other Gs can sometimes be quiteweak . . . 
but that never happens on 160m)Actually I heard several other NA stations . . . 
including K1WHS . . . butthey were calling EU stations, so I couldn't call 
them. If they had calledCQ I'm sure I could have worked them.  (I didn't want 
to put out a CQ callmyself, as I would have had hundreds of EU stations calling 
me! Do you thinkyou can call CQ DX during a Contest?!))Roger 
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Topband: AS / EU QRM - The Cocktail Party Effect

[Fred Kleber]

Hi Top Banders,
Having operated from the other end on a number of continents, I offer the 
following explanations of why NA hams may wonder why they can't work distant 
stations: 
SE Asia - The amount of non-ham QRM in the ham bands is unbelievable.  Most 
notable are the Indonesian (and probably other countries) fisherman who 
populate wide swaths of spectrum and have little to no regard for spectrum 
allocations.  They just go buy a cheap ham rig, make it general coverage, and 
off they go.  Additionally the beacons on fishing nets can also create quite a 
racket.  Oh yes, the commercial power suppliers in poorer countries most likely 
don't even care about repairing line nose.  One other challenge is the echo 
from NA stations which is frequently present on the low bands.  Pileups 
particularly exacerbate this phenomenon.  
Europe - Here's the cocktail party analogy.  When a cocktail party starts, a 
few people come in the door, grab a drink and start talking to each other.  As 
more people join the party, the room fills up and the ambient noise (QRM) 
rises.  In order to be communicate, guests talk louder.  More people join the 
party and the audible QRM noise floor rises.  In the radio world parallel, 
equate guest's speech with RF and talking louder with running more power.  Then 
consider that many countries don't effectively regulate TX power output, and 
you have a real mess.  Most north american's can't understand when I tell them 
that if you're not at least S-9 on 80-20 meters, you're most likely not going 
to be heard.  
I hope you find this information useful.
73 & good DX,Fred, NP2X / K9VV et al.
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Topband: Saturday Night

[Roger Kennedy]

I too came on for a couple of hours on 160m during the CQ WW . . .

Top Band wasn't at all noisy here in Europe, although conditions weren't
nearly as good as during the week - most signals were about 15dB down.

I worked everyone I could hear (about 20 NA stations, and a couple of
Caribbeans) . . . but as Dave G3NKC posted, the problem is that there are
dozens of very strong Europeans on the band (some S9 +40dB with me!), so
picking out the weak DX signals in-between can be hard work, even with good
filters ! (especially as they weren't as strong as normal)

That's the problem with Top Band, even compared to 80m, there's no Skip, so
you hear everyone on the band ! (on 80m even other Gs can sometimes be quite
weak . . . but that never happens on 160m)

Actually I heard several other NA stations . . . including K1WHS . . . but
they were calling EU stations, so I couldn't call them. If they had called
CQ I'm sure I could have worked them.  (I didn't want to put out a CQ call
myself, as I would have had hundreds of EU stations calling me! Do you think
you can call CQ DX during a Contest?!))

Roger G3YRO

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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160

[ws6x.ars]

Message: 18

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 05:42:54 -0700

From: Wes 

Subject: Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

 

Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.? Haven't figured out whether 

it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8. 

Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before 

deciding to come into the office and check my email.

 

I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at 12:26:30 with 

a -15 signal report.

 

 

Wes,

Can you check your playback text files to see if "I" worked him around 12:20? 😊

Jim - WS6X  

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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Wes]

Conditions are awful with horrible noise this AM.  Haven't figured out whether 
it is local or what. I don't need H40 and I'm defiantly not a fan of FT8. 
Nevertheless, I set up the rig and unsuccessfully called for awhile before 
deciding to come into the office and check my email.


I just stepped back into the shack and see that "I" worked him at 12:26:30 with 
a -15 signal report.


Wes  N7WS

On 11/25/2019 4:46 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

I finally worked them, just a couple
minutes ago FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836
band plan, Right in the middle of my gray
line, 6:30AM local.

I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm
75' from AMTRAK and gray line is always
obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic
with me being 5 minutes away from New
London, CT, a major hub between Boston &
NYC. During the contest I missed several
gray line contacts because I couldn't hear
anything for 30 seconds with each passing
train and that's the busiest commuter
time.

Grouse grouse...

One of the impressive things I notice with
JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows
bright red obliteration of the signal and
headphones are also obliterated when the
trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there
is almost no indication of the RFI from
the train passing. I was -22 & they were
-18 so the signals were low indeed.

Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160,
it's never a sure bet.

73,

Gary
KA1J



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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Gary Smith]

I finally worked them, just a couple 
minutes ago FT8 @ 11:30Z, on their 1.836 
band plan, Right in the middle of my gray 
line, 6:30AM local.

I'm lucky to hear them at this time, I'm 
75' from AMTRAK and gray line is always 
obliterated heavy commuter rail traffic 
with me being 5 minutes away from New 
London, CT, a major hub between Boston & 
NYC. During the contest I missed several 
gray line contacts because I couldn't hear 
anything for 30 seconds with each passing 
train and that's the busiest commuter 
time.

Grouse grouse... 

One of the impressive things I notice with 
JTDX's FT8 waterfall, while the P3 shows 
bright red obliteration of the signal and 
headphones are also obliterated when the 
trains pass, with the JTDX waterfall there 
is almost no indication of the RFI from 
the train passing. I was -22 & they were 
-18 so the signals were low indeed.

Ah well, they're in the log now. Love 160, 
it's never a sure bet.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Dave nothing heard in UK either. Their antenna is a top loaded 18m
> vertical with 2 elevated radials 30ft from the sea. They´re still on
> 160m FT8 atm (1114z) I believe. Good luck John G3XHZ
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 25 Nov 2019, at 09:27, Artek Manuals 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Nothing here in Florida ...not even a hint. Nothing else heard from
> > the Pacific in general could be condx What are they using for an
> > antenna?
> > 
> > Dave
> > NR1DX
> > 
> >> On 11/25/2019 2:13 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> >> Hi John,
> >> 
> >> Listening with 3 different Rx antennas in
> >> CT & no cigar at this QTH.
> >> 
> >> Not the first time, but I usually hear
> >> something. Tough Condx I think.
> >> 
> >> Cheers & 73,
> >> 
> >> Gary
> >> KA1J
> >> 
> >>> GM all. At the moment the plan is H40TT Rob will be on 160m around
> >>> his sunset 0700z (EU Monday morning). If condx are no good he will
> >>> switch to 80m and the same again Tuesday morning. Then they will
> >>> pack up in the hope of flying on Thursday. Good luck 73 John G3XHZ
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
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> > 
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[John Farrer via Topband]

Dave nothing heard in UK either. Their antenna is a top loaded 18m vertical 
with 2 elevated radials 30ft from the sea. They’re still on 160m FT8 atm 
(1114z) I believe.
Good luck
John G3XHZ

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Nov 2019, at 09:27, Artek Manuals  wrote:
> 
> Nothing here in Florida ...not even a hint. Nothing else heard from the 
> Pacific in general could be condx
> �What are they using for an antenna?
> 
> Dave
> NR1DX
> 
>> On 11/25/2019 2:13 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Listening with 3 different Rx antennas in
>> CT & no cigar at this QTH.
>> 
>> Not the first time, but I usually hear
>> something. Tough Condx I think.
>> 
>> Cheers & 73,
>> 
>> Gary
>> KA1J
>> 
>>> GM all. At the moment the plan is H40TT Rob will be on 160m around his
>>> sunset 0700z (EU Monday morning). If condx are no good he will switch
>>> to 80m and the same again Tuesday morning. Then they will pack up in
>>> the hope of flying on Thursday. Good luck 73 John G3XHZ
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
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Re: Topband: H40TT on 160m

[Artek Manuals]

Nothing here in Florida ...not even a hint. Nothing else heard from the 
Pacific in general could be condx

�What are they using for an antenna?

Dave
NR1DX

On 11/25/2019 2:13 AM, Gary Smith wrote:

Hi John,

Listening with 3 different Rx antennas in
CT & no cigar at this QTH.

Not the first time, but I usually hear
something. Tough Condx I think.

Cheers & 73,

Gary
KA1J


GM all. At the moment the plan is H40TT Rob will be on 160m around his
sunset 0700z (EU Monday morning). If condx are no good he will switch
to 80m and the same again Tuesday morning. Then they will pack up in
the hope of flying on Thursday. Good luck 73 John G3XHZ

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