Re: Topband: 3C6A
On 2012-02-24, at 4:47 PM, k6xt wrote: There's two sides to the DX Code of Conduct pictured on the site. One of them is our side, the callers. The other is the DX side. Referring especially to sticking with a partial call until its correct in the log, no matter the jamming level. Often what we hear is the DX gives up and moves on to one of the intentional QRM jammer incessant callers. A tactic guaranteed to increase the incessant caller activity level. Hi Guys, A look back through my late 1920's issues of QST magazine reveals a monthly column entitled, I believe, PREHISTORIC SIGNALS. Therein, for all to behold, were the specific call signs of stations heard during the previous month that had not pulled-up their bootstraps on the eve of newer, more stringent regulations from the then FCC regarding signal quality... These offenders were guilty of such things listed as raw AC on signal, extreme drift, excessive chirp, etc. etc. etc. The idea, obviously, was that offenders so outed would be inspired (shamed is more like it!) to re-vamp their transmitters, bringing them up to the then modern standards. I wonder if a similar such list of PREHISTORIC OPERATING STANDARDS might be in order to-day? DX-pedition operators know the repeated callers, the out-of-turn callers, etc. only too well---as do those of us on this side of the pile-up. Does working these offenders not, effectively, REWARD their prehistoric operating standards? Would it, perhaps, be better for the organizers of such DX treks to publish the call signs of REPEAT offenders on their web site, for all to see (including, hopefully, the offenders themselves)...? I don't know what general consensus might be on such an idea, but it's apparent that whatever excellent codes of DX conduct exist in the printed form on-line, in the various Amateur publications, etc., they are completely utterly lost upon a GROWING cadre of so-called DX'ers. Perhaps the time is nigh to stop relying upon the honour system to elevate standards, and to instead, cite poor operating standards etiquette in a public way...because things are hardly improving on the air, such as they are. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
The problem is that there is nothing to prevent someone from using YOUR call, making a complete ass of himself on the air and thus trashing your reputation. 73, Roger On 2/25/2012 8:06 AM, Eddy Swynar wrote: Hi Guys, A look back through my late 1920's issues of QST magazine reveals a monthly column entitled, I believe, PREHISTORIC SIGNALS. Therein, for all to behold, were the specific call signs of stations heard during the previous month that had not pulled-up their bootstraps on the eve of newer, more stringent regulations from the then FCC regarding signal quality... These offenders were guilty of such things listed as raw AC on signal, extreme drift, excessive chirp, etc. etc. etc. The idea, obviously, was that offenders so outed would be inspired (shamed is more like it!) to re-vamp their transmitters, bringing them up to the then modern standards. I wonder if a similar such list of PREHISTORIC OPERATING STANDARDS might be in order to-day? DX-pedition operators know the repeated callers, the out-of-turn callers, etc. only too well---as do those of us on this side of the pile-up. Does working these offenders not, effectively, REWARD their prehistoric operating standards? Would it, perhaps, be better for the organizers of such DX treks to publish the call signs of REPEAT offenders on their web site, for all to see (including, hopefully, the offenders themselves)...? I don't know what general consensus might be on such an idea, but it's apparent that whatever excellent codes of DX conduct exist in the printed form on-line, in the various Amateur publications, etc., they are completely utterly lost upon a GROWING cadre of so-called DX'ers. Perhaps the time is nigh to stop relying upon the honour system to elevate standards, and to instead, cite poor operating standards etiquette in a public way...because things are hardly improving on the air, such as they are. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
On 2012-02-25, at 8:19 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: The problem is that there is nothing to prevent someone from using YOUR call, making a complete ass of himself on the air and thus trashing your reputation. Hi Roger, Quite true. I agree. I guess that wouldn't say too much about the honour ethics of the person impersonating me, would it...?! ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
Several months ago, Eddy, in more of an act of frustration than anything, I cited several hams, by call sign, on another reflector for blatant adherance to the non-DX code of conduct. These two stations were heard in several pileups simply blasting away, never...NEVER listening, it appeared...unbelievably bad form. One fella wrote me back offering his assistance - he had crafted a LID award certificate and was more than willing to send it to the offenders I'd mentioned. I said, Hey. Go for it! Works for me. However, the PROBLEM is - this hand wringing and knashing of teeth over those types of 'operators' (operators used loosely) doesn't do a thing for us - we feel better, momentarily, LID certificates are sent and then...the next time we're engaged in a pileup, you/I/we will find more..there just are too many of 'em. I hear 'em on all band and have resigned myself - particularly given that I'm operting at QRP levels - to the fact that I've got to outsmart two groups of DX chasersthe ones who abide by the rules of conduct AND the doofus types. In short, and most often, that means I NEED to listen for both groups and pick my transmitting frequency with great care (i.e., avoid the doofus types AND understand where the DX station is listening, based on where I hear the calling station that he/she is working). I will say I did have an enjoyable, non-stressed time working VP6T on 160, QRP --- simply 'cuz I happen to be listening on his QRG when he came on! Hah...now THAT was a stroke of luck, 'eh I'm sorta reminded by this little ditty, when the conversation regarding poor operating styles picks up: Life is hardthen you die! 72, ma Mon! Jim Rodenkirch, K9JWV From: deswy...@xplornet.ca Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:06:43 -0500 To: k...@arrl.net CC: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: 3C6A On 2012-02-24, at 4:47 PM, k6xt wrote: There's two sides to the DX Code of Conduct pictured on the site. One of them is our side, the callers. The other is the DX side. Referring especially to sticking with a partial call until its correct in the log, no matter the jamming level. Often what we hear is the DX gives up and moves on to one of the intentional QRM jammer incessant callers. A tactic guaranteed to increase the incessant caller activity level. Hi Guys, A look back through my late 1920's issues of QST magazine reveals a monthly column entitled, I believe, PREHISTORIC SIGNALS. Therein, for all to behold, were the specific call signs of stations heard during the previous month that had not pulled-up their bootstraps on the eve of newer, more stringent regulations from the then FCC regarding signal quality... These offenders were guilty of such things listed as raw AC on signal, extreme drift, excessive chirp, etc. etc. etc. The idea, obviously, was that offenders so outed would be inspired (shamed is more like it!) to re-vamp their transmitters, bringing them up to the then modern standards. I wonder if a similar such list of PREHISTORIC OPERATING STANDARDS might be in order to-day? DX-pedition operators know the repeated callers, the out-of-turn callers, etc. only too well---as do those of us on this side of the pile-up. Does working these offenders not, effectively, REWARD their prehistoric operating standards? Would it, perhaps, be better for the organizers of such DX treks to publish the call signs of REPEAT offenders on their web site, for all to see (including, hopefully, the offenders themselves)...? I don't know what general consensus might be on such an idea, but it's apparent that whatever excellent codes of DX conduct exist in the printed form on-line, in the various Amateur publications, etc., they are completely utterly lost upon a GROWING cadre of so-called DX'ers. Perhaps the time is nigh to stop relying upon the honour system to elevate standards, and to instead, cite poor operating standards etiquette in a public way...because things are hardly improving on the air, such as they are. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
Really nothing you can do if someone decides to go that way. But agree with me, if I hear some callsigns making kind of mess on the bands, i.e. W4ZV, K3LR, W5UN, DF2PY, (and many more to mention some of them), I definitly DO NO TRUST they are the real ones..!! Our reputation is preceeded by respect to others and good behaviour. So, any good TB operator will identify in a second who is who..! I am not worried about my reputation, nor anyone of the TB operators I know from many years..They are all great people that I am happy to have as friends, and do know they never do such things on the air.. My respect to all of you guys..! Josep EA6BF - Original Message - From: Eddy Swynar To: Roger D Johnson Cc: topband@contesting.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Topband: 3C6A On 2012-02-25, at 8:19 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: The problem is that there is nothing to prevent someone from using YOUR call, making a complete ass of himself on the air and thus trashing your reputation. ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
I started that thread without a real thought of its applicability to 3C6A. Just pointing out the facts, ma'am as Jack might say. In fact 3C6A ops seem to be doing very well sticking with a call til its accurately logged. My own experience with them on 30M is instructive. I worked them twice (insurance since no online log) on 30M, both times weak with QSB and the usual QRM such that they had to reply twice, the second reply sending my call twice. A good job! 73 Art K6XT~~ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm. On 2/25/2012 6:06 AM, Eddy Swynar wrote: On 2012-02-24, at 4:47 PM, k6xt wrote: There's two sides to the DX Code of Conduct pictured on the site. One of them is our side, the callers. The other is the DX side. Referring especially to sticking with a partial call until its correct in the log, no matter the jamming level. Often what we hear is the DX gives up and moves on to one of the intentional QRM jammer incessant callers. A tactic guaranteed to increase the incessant caller activity level. Hi Guys, A look back through my late 1920's issues of QST magazine reveals a monthly column entitled, I believe, PREHISTORIC SIGNALS. Therein, for all to behold, were the specific call signs of stations heard during the previous month that had not pulled-up their bootstraps on the eve of newer, more stringent regulations from the then FCC regarding signal quality... These offenders were guilty of such things listed as raw AC on signal, extreme drift, excessive chirp, etc. etc. etc. The idea, obviously, was that offenders so outed would be inspired (shamed is more like it!) to re-vamp their transmitters, bringing them up to the then modern standards. I wonder if a similar such list of PREHISTORIC OPERATING STANDARDS might be in order to-day? DX-pedition operators know the repeated callers, the out-of-turn callers, etc. only too well---as do those of us on this side of the pile-up. Does working these offenders not, effectively, REWARD their prehistoric operating standards? Would it, perhaps, be better for the organizers of such DX treks to publish the call signs of REPEAT offenders on their web site, for all to see (including, hopefully, the offenders themselves)...? I don't know what general consensus might be on such an idea, but it's apparent that whatever excellent codes of DX conduct exist in the printed form on-line, in the various Amateur publications, etc., they are completely utterly lost upon a GROWING cadre of so-called DX'ers. Perhaps the time is nigh to stop relying upon the honour system to elevate standards, and to instead, cite poor operating standards etiquette in a public way...because things are hardly improving on the air, such as they are. ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
What we in NA need is the period from 0500 to 0545 UTC for the dawn enhancement effect. Hope they don't get tired from listening to static for 2 or 3 hours, and go to bed and miss the beautiful sunrise. Bert VE3QAA On 24/02/2012 6:47 AM, Josep Torres wrote: Had a nessage from Elmo and he says they will try 160m on March 2nd 2300z tx 1825. Hope condx are good and many of us can work them..!!! 73, Josep EA6BF Sent from my iPhone 4 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
This is an unfortunate pick of time for 160 as 1 hour after his opening time (23:00 gmt) the ARRL DX contest begins and even if he stays on for our sunrise window, the band will be filled with loud SSB stations calling CQ contest I am afraid this will be a repeat of all of the previous 3C0 dxpeditions as far as 160 is concerned. Bob W4DR - Original Message - From: Bert Barry bertba...@xplornet.ca To: topband@contesting.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Topband: 3C6A What we in NA need is the period from 0500 to 0545 UTC for the dawn enhancement effect. Hope they don't get tired from listening to static for 2 or 3 hours, and go to bed and miss the beautiful sunrise. Bert VE3QAA On 24/02/2012 6:47 AM, Josep Torres wrote: Had a nessage from Elmo and he says they will try 160m on March 2nd 2300z tx 1825. Hope condx are good and many of us can work them..!!! 73, Josep EA6BF Sent from my iPhone 4 ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
On 2/24/2012 5:31 AM, Bert Barry wrote: What we in NA need is the period from 0500 to 0545 UTC for the dawn enhancement effect. Hope they don't get tired from listening to static for 2 or 3 hours, and go to bed and miss the beautiful sunrise. Actually, what we need is a long time commitment to 160, with an experienced operator, high power, and a decent RX antenna pointed WNW. Remember that NA is a very big place -- openings to the west are rare and brief, and are often spotlights that jump over the east coast. The few AF I've worked have mostly been around 0200-0330. Stations on the east coast have it REAL easy -- as you move west, it gets increasingly difficult. 73, Jim K9YC ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
On 02/24/2012 01:46 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Actually, what we need is a long time commitment to 160, with an experienced operator, high power, and a decent RX antenna pointed WNW. Agreed! Which prompts me to ask, what is it about 3C / 3C0 that I don't know? Are there exclusive travel restrictions? I am wondering why there hasn't been a major DXpedition or a topband focused op from either entity (in my time on the band). Both seem sufficiently rare to warrant more attention. Just curious and trying to learn something. 73, Paul N1BUG ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 3C6A
Try 160 at 2300Z? What it will take is a daily dedication to the low bands (80 and 40 needed here as well) for as long as its dark in 3C0. 2300Z is still 90 minutes to sunset in CO and 3 hours on the west coast. Bearing in mind there's just two ops, that would mean a sharply decreased emphasis on daytime operation, converting it to sleep time. From what I've read and observed so far, it doesn't seem likely. Lots of folks who need 3C0 anywhere at all won't appreciate the suggestion. Bearing also in mind 3C0 hasn't been on low bands any time recently, the pile ups will be huge and unforgiving. It'll take real low band dedication to work thru them. It'll take even more dedication to work west US stations thru the EU and east coast curtains. There's two sides to the DX Code of Conduct pictured on the site. One of them is our side, the callers. The other is the DX side. Referring especially to sticking with a partial call until its correct in the log, no matter the jamming level. Often what we hear is the DX gives up and moves on to one of the intentional QRM jammer incessant callers. A tactic guaranteed to increase the incessant caller activity level. Well I don't know about the WF part but I'll surely be W'ing til they're in the log. Lets hope for the best, c'yall in the pileups. 73 Art ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
