Re: Topband: 1810
Yes, changing one's log after the fact to cover up a violation is scienter or guilty knowledge, meaning fraud. DQ is the only appropriate action. Lee, AA4GA On Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 1:11 PM W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > If you have violated the terms of your license that should be a DQ. > Changing the frequency makes it even worse as it was an attempt to cover > up the action. If USA makes contacts out of band in CQ WW or ARRL DX > what happens to them? Are the QSO's simply removed and the op > admonished for the issues or worse? > > For this contest, maybe the solution is to remove the bad contacts, warn > all the participants and move on. For those that altered their logs a > DQ is fitting. > > W0MU > > On 12/25/2021 10:46 AM, Dan Flaig NP2J wrote: > > My 2 cents > > > > > > It makes sense to me to have the contest rules mirror the regulations > > regarding frequency allocations. > > > > No one is asking the contest sponsors to regulate anything. > > Enforcing a frequency rule in a contest is no different than enforcing > > any other contest rule. If the rules are broken on purpose > > disqualification should be enforced. > > > > If you just let anyone do anything what is to keep someone from > > Running on 1798 kHz?? > > If a eu station works somebody on 1805 then changes log to say 1810 > > they obviously knew what they did was against the rules and are trying > > to hide the fact. > > > > I doubt that the ability for us stations to work other US stations > > below 1810 is any huge advantage. > > I can understand why qrp stations in the US would like to use that > > less crowed portion of the band. > > > > Seems to me either leave rules as they are and enforce no Europe qsos > > below 1810 or change rules so no operation below 1810 is allowed. > > Personally I like rules how they are but either way is fine with me. > > > > Thanks to Boring ARC and Tree for sponsoring this fantastic contest! > > > > 73 > > Dan k8rf/np2j > > _ > > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > > Reflector > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: 1810
If you have violated the terms of your license that should be a DQ. Changing the frequency makes it even worse as it was an attempt to cover up the action. If USA makes contacts out of band in CQ WW or ARRL DX what happens to them? Are the QSO's simply removed and the op admonished for the issues or worse? For this contest, maybe the solution is to remove the bad contacts, warn all the participants and move on. For those that altered their logs a DQ is fitting. W0MU On 12/25/2021 10:46 AM, Dan Flaig NP2J wrote: My 2 cents It makes sense to me to have the contest rules mirror the regulations regarding frequency allocations. No one is asking the contest sponsors to regulate anything. Enforcing a frequency rule in a contest is no different than enforcing any other contest rule. If the rules are broken on purpose disqualification should be enforced. If you just let anyone do anything what is to keep someone from Running on 1798 kHz?? If a eu station works somebody on 1805 then changes log to say 1810 they obviously knew what they did was against the rules and are trying to hide the fact. I doubt that the ability for us stations to work other US stations below 1810 is any huge advantage. I can understand why qrp stations in the US would like to use that less crowed portion of the band. Seems to me either leave rules as they are and enforce no Europe qsos below 1810 or change rules so no operation below 1810 is allowed. Personally I like rules how they are but either way is fine with me. Thanks to Boring ARC and Tree for sponsoring this fantastic contest! 73 Dan k8rf/np2j _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: 1810
My 2 cents It makes sense to me to have the contest rules mirror the regulations regarding frequency allocations. No one is asking the contest sponsors to regulate anything. Enforcing a frequency rule in a contest is no different than enforcing any other contest rule. If the rules are broken on purpose disqualification should be enforced. If you just let anyone do anything what is to keep someone from Running on 1798 kHz?? If a eu station works somebody on 1805 then changes log to say 1810 they obviously knew what they did was against the rules and are trying to hide the fact. I doubt that the ability for us stations to work other US stations below 1810 is any huge advantage. I can understand why qrp stations in the US would like to use that less crowed portion of the band. Seems to me either leave rules as they are and enforce no Europe qsos below 1810 or change rules so no operation below 1810 is allowed. Personally I like rules how they are but either way is fine with me. Thanks to Boring ARC and Tree for sponsoring this fantastic contest! 73 Dan k8rf/np2j _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: 1810 spur status and resolution
Full and final details on the recent spurious signal and how it was located can be found on the following website. http://sites.google.com/site/wgymsignal/ 73's Rick K2XT Don WD8DSB ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810 spur status and resolution
Very interesting and well done. Was it ever discovered what was actually causing the spurious signal? In other words, what did the station engineer do that caused the signal to disappear? Rudy is awesome too! On 10/17/2012 7:00 PM, Don Kirk wrote: Full and final details on the recent spurious signal and how it was located can be found on the following website. http://sites.google.com/site/wgymsignal/ 73's Rick K2XT Don WD8DSB ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info. -- 73, Gary K9GS Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810 spur status and resolution
It seems to be back. Or perhaps it's another one. On 1813 now. 73, Roger -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Topband: 1810 spur status and resolution
This is current status, as promised, to all the group on Topband reflector who have been interested in what was happening with the 1810 spur situation. The station engineer for WGYM, Hammonton NJ responded this afternoon to our observation of a spur on 1810/1812. He visited the transmitter site and verified that the spur was, indeed, originating in their transmitter. He adjusted the transmitter while K2XT simultaneously monitored the spur from his QTH 42 miles north of Hammonton, in Cream Ridge, NJ. The engineer was able to get the spur eliminated. Details of the cause and how it was resolved were not provided. The station is in the midst of a modernization program. It is licensed to operate 1 kw during the day and 6 watts nighttime. It is currently operating a standby transmitter at a 6 watt level until a new 1 kw transmitter can be installed. The engineer said he expects it to be completed in one month. For the past few years the station has been operating on greatly reduced power with the standby transmitter because of problems with the main 1 kw transmitter. The engineer was unaware of spurs being radiated, and was 100% cooperative in working to resolve the problem. He is not a ham, and was AMAZED that a low powered signal such as this could be heard from Maine, to Georgia, to Canada, to Iowa, to Indiana. I told him there are a bunch of EXTREMELY competent radio operators, with big antennas, and equipment, and skills who are VERY serious about what they do that makes it possible. I told him he was lucky he didn't have a spur on 7 or 14 MHz or he'd be hearing from Russians and Australians. He asked me to pass along his regards. I will post again later this evening how Don, WD8DSB managed to home in on the location of the spur. As I think I said Friday or Saturday, if you give him a few data points he can talk you right into the back yard of where a signal originates. Now, a huge thank you for your patience and understanding. On Saturday, when I announced that we had located the spur, I had some conversations with some guys who have far more experience than I in the broadcast industry and with the FCC, and who really care about 160 meters, and getting this spur fixed asap. They said they might be able to get it fixed diplomatically and Don and I agreed that there should only be one path of resolution, and so we got out of their way. They also said it would be done immediately, and by noon Saturday phone calls were already being made. This morning we had a commitment that it would get prompt attention. So... we want to acknowledge with great gratitude, and you should as well, the guys who fixed this thing behind the scenes for us - and they are Tim, K3LR; Tom, W8JI; Glen, W3JL; and Tree, N6TR. Don WD8DSB Rick K2XT ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Topband: 1810 culprit has been identified
The signal on 1810 has been positively identified, and located ! One of our topbanders has triangulated it right down to the exact location, and done it from 800 miles away in Indiana. The credit goes to Don, WD8DSB, with a yard full of Pennants, and the expertise to use them. He directed K2XT, with a loop antenna, GPS, compass, cellphone and a St. Bernard right to the spot early this morning. Yes it is in SNJ, like Don has been saying all week long. That's the good news. The bad news is it is an AM broadcast station and still on the air. Details to follow, and possibly video if you guys would be interested. Fun stuff. Rick K2XT ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Topband: 1810 QRM source
All - Just wanted to let everyone know that the source of the signal on 1810 is being contacted through the station engineer. Likely - there won't be a response until Monday. This issue is trying to be solved without involving the FCC unless necessary. There will be updates when progress has been made. Once the situation has been resolved, the details will all come out including some videos. The Management ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810-1813 signal
I seem to remember that an AM BCB transmitter with a high efficiency modulator can produce this type of crud when it's not working properly. My money is on a BC station in the NYC/Phila area. 73, Roger On 10/3/2012 8:59 PM, ZR wrote: Has anyone listened down around 452 KHz for a sick sounding NDB and up thru the BC band for its harmonics or something else? Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com To: Topband@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: Topband: 1810-1813 signal Today the signal changed characteristics significantly. It is now on multiple frequencies from 1810 to 1815, with the strongest on 1813.5 This is why we don't want to ignore this stuff. ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5307 - Release Date: 10/03/12 ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info. -- Remember the Liberty (AGTR-5) http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/ http://www.gtr5.com/ ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Topband: 1810
So what do we know so far? No one has used an extremely sharp directional antenna like a loop, but the Beverages, KA9Ys, etc. from Maine to NC seem to be roughly pointing to the mid-Atlantic area like NJ, NYC, Delaware? I am in central NJ 15 mi east of Trenton, and the signal here is not extremely loud (S5 on a NE/SW Beverage, bidirectional). If it was thought to be local to me (few hours drive) I would spend an afternoon hunting it down with a loop antenna, but we sure could use some additional data points from stations with loops with sharp nulls to get us headed in the right direction. Ideas for simple, useful loops would be helpful. One thing I would suggest - standardize on receiver settings. I used CW, 400 Hz bandwidth on my K3, no preamp of course. Rick K2XT ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 1810
On 2012-10-03, at 8:04 AM, Rick Stealey wrote: One thing I would suggest - standardize on receiver settings. I used CW, 400 Hz bandwidth on my K3, no preamp of course. Hi Guys, Not to sound rude or demeaning, but do you know what I would suggest...? STAY OFF OF 1810-KHz. There's never any DX way down in that part of the band anyway... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 1810
It was loud by the ocean here in NJ, grid square FN20xj, at 1100UTC this morning. I'm going to dig out my Palomar Loop and see if I can DF the signal. Mike N2MS ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 1810
On Wed, 2012-10-03 at 08:23 -0400, N1BUG wrote: ---snip-- There's never any DX way down in that part of the band anyway... Au contraire! I have personally worked several JA stations between 1810 and 1811. If I had the patience to investigate my log I am certain I would find European and other DX worked that low. I know of at least one big gun just east of me who has run strings of JA's on 1810.5 at sunset (yes, long path). Hi, This also presupposes that the only reason to even be on top band is to chase after DX. I have no aversion to chatting with DX hams but I am more interested in rag chewing and North American hams are fair game as far as I'm concerned. 73, Bill KU8H ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
Re: Topband: 1810 kHz signal, what is important
The only thing that is useful at this point is: 1.) location of someone with a signal that does not change very much day or night 2.) direction with some absolute certainly within a reasonable range of headings. This would require a known good small loop or multiple direction antenna system able to sort within 20-30 degrees (if close to the source). It looks like from what we have the signal is somewhere around VA to NJ. :-) 73 Tom ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810 kHz signal
Currently @ 1430 UTC, location FN20ee Chester County, PA, the offending signal on or about 1810.6 is fluctuating between S8 and S9, occasionally dropping to S7. Radio is set to CW@500 hz. Don't have any directional capabilities - antenna is a 160 meter OCF windom at 50 ft. broadside basically east/west. Neal N4XU On 10/3/2012 9:57 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote: If someone here could take a map and plot all of the the data points, the area from which the signal originates will become clear. Then someone can travel to that area and do some local direction finding. Dave WX7G ___ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810 kHz signal
If someone here could take a map and plot all of the the data points, thearea from which the signal originates will become clear. I did that this morning using Google Earth, and while the data is noisy (some stray data points), so far it appears the signal is originating from the half of New Jersey State that's south of New York State (somewhere between New York City and Atlantic City and within 60 miles of the ocean or out in the ocean off the shoreline). Additional data might cause the picture to shift slightly up or down the coast. Don (wd8dsb) ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810 kHz signal
I have it at about 210 on a loop, measured last night after work (~2300z). Mike N1TA Original Message Subject: Re: Topband: 1810 kHz signal From: Don Kirk wd8...@aol.com Date: Wed, October 03, 2012 10:38 am To: telegraph...@gmail.com, topband@contesting.com If someone here could take a map and plot all of the the data points, thearea from which the signal originates will become clear. I did that this morning using Google Earth, and while the data is noisy (some stray data points), so far it appears the signal is originating from the half of New Jersey State that's south of New York State (somewhere between New York City and Atlantic City and within 60 miles of the ocean or out in the ocean off the shoreline). Additional data might cause the picture to shift slightly up or down the coast. Don (wd8dsb) ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info. ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810 kHz signal
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Don Kirk wd8...@aol.com wrote: I did that this morning using Google Earth, and while the data is noisy (some stray data points), so far it appears the signal is originating from the half of New Jersey State that's south of New York State (somewhere between New York City and Atlantic City and within 60 miles of the ocean or out in the ocean off the shoreline). Many thanks to Don for working on the map. I would like to suggest that we have located this signal close enough with the possible observations on this list. As W8JI suggested, we really need someone who can hear the signal during the daytime to get some direction readings in the local area. There has been a LOT of traffic on the list about this and I am starting to get some complaints. So - unless you have specific information on the exact location or reason for this signal - let's hold off on more DX observations. Thanks. The Mangement ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info. ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Topband: 1810 signal
For what it is worth, I am about 60 miles northwest of N3QE, who reports hearing the signal about the same strength day and night. I am hearing it S9 at night but right at my S5 noise level daytime, which suggests, to me at least, that it's a lot closer to him than me, and that I'm maybe right at the outer edge of ground wave. I'm using a TX vertical - no RX antennas deployed yet. -- 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 and arcluster.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810
On 2012-10-03, at 8:35 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: Oh, so now it's all about DX and not about the little guy? Did you forget that 1810 is listed as the QRP frequency? I've heard Jon, AA1K, down around there calling CQ DX several times in the morningand I recall making lots of Qs down that way during last year's CQ and ARRL contests; Sheesh! I vote for figuring out how to get a message to the el heffies that there are interlopers down there and to do sumpin' about it! Oh Brother...! Who would have thought that the Political Correctness Kops would have migrated down to 1.8-MHz in such earnest...?! A thousand apologies, sahib! I promise that I'll be a good little Topband Dxer from now on, will keep my big fat trap shut...! : ) ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Topband: 1810-1813 signal
Today the signal changed characteristics significantly. It is now on multiple frequencies from 1810 to 1815, with the strongest on 1813.5 This is why we don't want to ignore this stuff. ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810-1813 signal
This is why we don't want to ignore this stuff. __ I'm coming to the realization after spending the better part of the last 24 hours working on my Beverages that we can't get meaningful data this way. Tom - do you think portable loops, say 2 ft on a side, would provide enough signal and directivity that if enough guys built them we could begin to pinpoint the location? I am still hearing it on 1810.3, cw mode. You didn't switch to SSB did you? K2XT ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
Re: Topband: 1810-1813 signal
Has anyone listened down around 452 KHz for a sick sounding NDB and up thru the BC band for its harmonics or something else? Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Tom W8JI w...@w8ji.com To: Topband@contesting.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: Topband: 1810-1813 signal Today the signal changed characteristics significantly. It is now on multiple frequencies from 1810 to 1815, with the strongest on 1813.5 This is why we don't want to ignore this stuff. ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5307 - Release Date: 10/03/12 ___ Remember the PreStew coming on October 20th. http://www.kkn.net/stew for more info.
