Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
Most all of the Radios from the 30s, 40s and 50s tuned from 530kHz to 30mHz. They had a band spread dial which was calibrated for most of Ham bands if you set the main tuning dial correct. We used crystal calibrators for the band edges. By the way, you did't know if he was on 14020kCs or 14025kCs. 73 de Price W0RI and W0CKC On Friday, January 23, 2015 7:36 PM, Hardy Landskov wrote: Don and everyone, Don't forget the ON4KST chat room. I have many Europe Q's for new ones when the station in Europe would say when they were going to call CQ and where. I would go and camp on the freq. Yes, the early bird catches the station b4 the East Coast is aware he is on. 73 Hardy N7RT - Original Message - From: "Don Kirk" To: "Tom W8JI" Cc: "JC" ; "HAROLD SMITH JR" ; "topband" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world > From my viewpoint things really changed on 160 meters in line with the use > of Internet spotting. > > I'm not going to say the change is good or bad, just that it has really > changed things. I enjoyed tuning up and down the band for hours on end > with the objective of "the early bird catches the worm", but that has all > changed with Internet spotting. Also the Internet spotting has brought > along some very bad practices and many operator mistakes that impacts us > all. > > 73, > Don (wd8dsb) > > > > > On Friday, January 23, 2015, Tom W8JI wrote: > >> But that would mean it stopped being a gentleman's band when the very >> first radios were manufactured, since the first radios including 160. 160 >> disappeared from most (not all) equipment when we lost the band to LORAN >> after WWII, and then slowly reappeared. >> >> Problem people are always a certain part of the general population. 160 >> had people jamming DX nightly through the 1970's and 80's as a "hobby" or >> "group sport". It isn't new behavior, and it really is not any worse then >> it ever was, with the exception people might worry less about the FCC any >> more. >> >> But then..we all love deregulation and less Government as a social >> advancement. :) >> >> One of the biggest recent hoots was when a group of AMers called the >> "think tank", whose spokesperson would get in AM vs. SSB fights, >> petitioned >> the FCC for no restrictions on where AM (or any mode) could operate. The >> ultimate deregulation. >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "HAROLD SMITH JR" < >> w0ri...@sbcglobal.net> >> To: "JC" ; "'topband'" >> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:52 AM >> Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world >> >> >> Very well put JC! You hit the nail on the head. >>> >>> 73 de Price W0RI >>> >>> >>> On Friday, January 23, 2015 10:36 AM, JC wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream >>> manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of >>> their rigs & linears... >>> <<< >>> >>> >>> 100% disagree.. 160m is a gentleman's band by choice, all of us can >>> make >>> that choice, we respect the visitors that come and go, we don't blame >>> them >>> we educate them by example. >>> >>> We don't fight the pig because the pig will get you into the mud and he >>> loves it. >>> >>> Gentleman's and gentlewoman's are here to stay! >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> JC >>> N4IS >>> >>> _ >>> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband >>> _ >>> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband >>> >>> >>> - >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4257/8982 - Release Date: >>> 01/23/15 >>> >>> >> _ >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband >> > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
Don and everyone, Don't forget the ON4KST chat room. I have many Europe Q's for new ones when the station in Europe would say when they were going to call CQ and where. I would go and camp on the freq. Yes, the early bird catches the station b4 the East Coast is aware he is on. 73 Hardy N7RT - Original Message - From: "Don Kirk" To: "Tom W8JI" Cc: "JC" ; "HAROLD SMITH JR" ; "topband" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world From my viewpoint things really changed on 160 meters in line with the use of Internet spotting. I'm not going to say the change is good or bad, just that it has really changed things. I enjoyed tuning up and down the band for hours on end with the objective of "the early bird catches the worm", but that has all changed with Internet spotting. Also the Internet spotting has brought along some very bad practices and many operator mistakes that impacts us all. 73, Don (wd8dsb) On Friday, January 23, 2015, Tom W8JI wrote: But that would mean it stopped being a gentleman's band when the very first radios were manufactured, since the first radios including 160. 160 disappeared from most (not all) equipment when we lost the band to LORAN after WWII, and then slowly reappeared. Problem people are always a certain part of the general population. 160 had people jamming DX nightly through the 1970's and 80's as a "hobby" or "group sport". It isn't new behavior, and it really is not any worse then it ever was, with the exception people might worry less about the FCC any more. But then..we all love deregulation and less Government as a social advancement. :) One of the biggest recent hoots was when a group of AMers called the "think tank", whose spokesperson would get in AM vs. SSB fights, petitioned the FCC for no restrictions on where AM (or any mode) could operate. The ultimate deregulation. - Original Message - From: "HAROLD SMITH JR" < w0ri...@sbcglobal.net> To: "JC" ; "'topband'" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world Very well put JC! You hit the nail on the head. 73 de Price W0RI On Friday, January 23, 2015 10:36 AM, JC wrote: 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of their rigs & linears... <<< 100% disagree.. 160m is a gentleman's band by choice, all of us can make that choice, we respect the visitors that come and go, we don't blame them we educate them by example. We don't fight the pig because the pig will get you into the mud and he loves it. Gentleman's and gentlewoman's are here to stay! Regards JC N4IS _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4257/8982 - Release Date: 01/23/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
>"Commercial transmitters and receivers for 160 meters have long been >available." To Frank¹s point, here are some additional early commercial 160m receiver examples: National SW-3 (ca. 1931 regenerative with dedicated 160m band spread coils) National HRO (ca. 1935 with sliding 160m coil drawer and bandspread taps) National NC-101X (ca. 1938 with 160m sliding catacomb assembly). Produced in 1931, the National SW-3 may be the first commercial receiver with dedicated 160m operation. For Hallicrafters and Hammarlund, I¹m not sure how early these sets were produced with a 160m band-spread position. For Hammarlund, possibly the first Comet in 1934 with plug-in coils. For commercial transmitters, Collins had 160m coil sets going as far back as 1935 with the 30FX and 30FXB and similar variants on these models. I own a ca. 1935 Collins 30FX with three 160m coils (Osc., Buffer, and 211 Final). Paul, W9AC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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>From my viewpoint things really changed on 160 meters in line with the use of Internet spotting. I'm not going to say the change is good or bad, just that it has really changed things. I enjoyed tuning up and down the band for hours on end with the objective of "the early bird catches the worm", but that has all changed with Internet spotting. Also the Internet spotting has brought along some very bad practices and many operator mistakes that impacts us all. 73, Don (wd8dsb) On Friday, January 23, 2015, Tom W8JI wrote: > But that would mean it stopped being a gentleman's band when the very > first radios were manufactured, since the first radios including 160. 160 > disappeared from most (not all) equipment when we lost the band to LORAN > after WWII, and then slowly reappeared. > > Problem people are always a certain part of the general population. 160 > had people jamming DX nightly through the 1970's and 80's as a "hobby" or > "group sport". It isn't new behavior, and it really is not any worse then > it ever was, with the exception people might worry less about the FCC any > more. > > But then..we all love deregulation and less Government as a social > advancement. :) > > One of the biggest recent hoots was when a group of AMers called the > "think tank", whose spokesperson would get in AM vs. SSB fights, petitioned > the FCC for no restrictions on where AM (or any mode) could operate. The > ultimate deregulation. > > > > > - Original Message ----- From: "HAROLD SMITH JR" < > w0ri...@sbcglobal.net> > To: "JC" ; "'topband'" > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world > > > Very well put JC! You hit the nail on the head. >> >> 73 de Price W0RI >> >> >> On Friday, January 23, 2015 10:36 AM, JC wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream >> manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of >> their rigs & linears... >> <<< >> >> >> 100% disagree.. 160m is a gentleman's band by choice, all of us can make >> that choice, we respect the visitors that come and go, we don't blame them >> we educate them by example. >> >> We don't fight the pig because the pig will get you into the mud and he >> loves it. >> >> Gentleman's and gentlewoman's are here to stay! >> >> >> Regards >> JC >> N4IS >> >> _ >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband >> _ >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4257/8982 - Release Date: 01/23/15 >> >> > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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But that would mean it stopped being a gentleman's band when the very first radios were manufactured, since the first radios including 160. 160 disappeared from most (not all) equipment when we lost the band to LORAN after WWII, and then slowly reappeared. Problem people are always a certain part of the general population. 160 had people jamming DX nightly through the 1970's and 80's as a "hobby" or "group sport". It isn't new behavior, and it really is not any worse then it ever was, with the exception people might worry less about the FCC any more. But then..we all love deregulation and less Government as a social advancement. :) One of the biggest recent hoots was when a group of AMers called the "think tank", whose spokesperson would get in AM vs. SSB fights, petitioned the FCC for no restrictions on where AM (or any mode) could operate. The ultimate deregulation. - Original Message - From: "HAROLD SMITH JR" To: "JC" ; "'topband'" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world Very well put JC! You hit the nail on the head. 73 de Price W0RI On Friday, January 23, 2015 10:36 AM, JC wrote: 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of their rigs & linears... <<< 100% disagree.. 160m is a gentleman's band by choice, all of us can make that choice, we respect the visitors that come and go, we don't blame them we educate them by example. We don't fight the pig because the pig will get you into the mud and he loves it. Gentleman's and gentlewoman's are here to stay! Regards JC N4IS _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4257/8982 - Release Date: 01/23/15 _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Very well put JC! You hit the nail on the head. 73 de Price W0RI On Friday, January 23, 2015 10:36 AM, JC wrote: >>> 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of their rigs & linears... <<< 100% disagree.. 160m is a gentleman's band by choice, all of us can make that choice, we respect the visitors that come and go, we don't blame them we educate them by example. We don't fight the pig because the pig will get you into the mud and he loves it. Gentleman's and gentlewoman's are here to stay! Regards JC N4IS _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
>>> 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of their rigs & linears... <<< 100% disagree.. 160m is a gentleman's band by choice, all of us can make that choice, we respect the visitors that come and go, we don't blame them we educate them by example. We don't fight the pig because the pig will get you into the mud and he loves it. Gentleman's and gentlewoman's are here to stay! Regards JC N4IS _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
Commercial transmitters and receivers for 160 meters have long been available . During the 1950s and 1960s the 75A-4 and NC-300/303 were popular receivers and the Viking Ranger and Valiant were popular transmitters. The Drake R4C and T4XC became the "must have" equipment for serious topbanders during the mid 1970s. Big changes started to occur with the advent of transceivers that covered 160 meters, perhaps the first was the Yaesu FT-101B in 1973 soon followed by the TS-820 in 1976. Topband experienced a rebirth with the demise of LORAN-A in the United States in 1980 and the elimination of complex band segments and power restrictions below 1900 kHz soon thereafter. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: mstang...@comcast.net To: "Eddy Swynar" , "topband" Cc: "Mike Waters" , "Dave Olean" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 3:58:41 PM Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world I'll have to agree with Eddy. When I started on 160 meters in the early 1970's I had to build a receive converter and used a Johnson Viking 2 for the transmitter. I recall the only radios that supported 160 were Collins and Drake and I could not afford either. I the Yaesu FT-101B was introduced in the mid 1970's. This was a reasonably priced radio that supported 160 and was very popular. I finally landed a good job after college and purchased a Drake TR-7 in 1979. My recollection on radios with 160 are hazy. What other radios supported 160? What radios you used for 160 before the 1970's? Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Eddy Swynar To: Mike Waters Cc: Dave Olean , topband Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:37:37 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world On 2015-01-23, at 7:34 AM, Mike Waters wrote: Hi Mike, 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of their rigs & linears... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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I'll have to agree with Eddy. When I started on 160 meters in the early 1970's I had to build a receive converter and used a Johnson Viking 2 for the transmitter. I recall the only radios that supported 160 were Collins and Drake and I could not afford either. I the Yaesu FT-101B was introduced in the mid 1970's. This was a reasonably priced radio that supported 160 and was very popular. I finally landed a good job after college and purchased a Drake TR-7 in 1979. My recollection on radios with 160 are hazy. What other radios supported 160? What radios you used for 160 before the 1970's? Mike N2MS - Original Message - From: Eddy Swynar To: Mike Waters Cc: Dave Olean , topband Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:37:37 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world On 2015-01-23, at 7:34 AM, Mike Waters wrote: Hi Mike, 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of their rigs & linears... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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I still think for the most part that 160 is the most gentlemen's band of all of the HF bands. I think the one thing that makes a barrier to the masses are the antenna requirements. I believe there are a lot of gentlemen and gentle women on 160. I still hear people holding back when giving their calls in trying to reach DX, to allow another to make the call who is trying. I know I do for the most part and I try not to transmit over someone else trying to reach the DX. I guess the only exception to this that I can think of is during a contest and even then if I hear the DX coming back to somebody else, I stop transmitting as I don't want to steal their Q from them any more than I would want them to steal one from me. But a contest requires a little more dignified aggression than you would use at any other time, call it the ham radio contest version of Queensbury rules for boxing. When I have the hardest time wrapping my head around is the mentality behind the people who are intentionally QRMing. For them to have the equipment to do so means they put a lot of time and effort into establishing their station, only to use it to harass and interfere with others. The behavior is very sociopathic and is a mental illness; it's a thug and gang related mentality and those kind of people aren't gentlemen and they will never fit well in ham radio and especially not on the gentlemen's band. 73, Gary KA1J > Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ lamented: > > 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream > manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of > their rigs & linears... > > > > I think you are right, Eddy. However, I can remember as recently as the > 70's and maybe into the 80's being in a "gentleman's pileup" for a DX > station on 160 and finding it completely different. First of all, no one > called zero beat with the DX. With signal levels on top band, it is the > height of stupidity and simply bad manners to do that! Secondly, believe > it or not, if there were three or four stations calling...they generally > took their turn, giving the other guys in the "pile-up" a clear shot. > Calls tended to be quite short and you didn't call unless you heard the > DX. Those types of behavior seem to be long gone from top band. > > I used to refer to the "gentlemen's band" at the breakfast table when I was > telling my XYL about interesting DX and QSOs that I had had on top band the > night before. I don't remember exactly when, but at some point I started > calling it "Marconi's band." She asked about Marconi and I explained his > role in the development of "DXing." She then wanted to know why I had > changed from working on the "gentlemen's band" and moved to "Marconi's > band." My answer was that " it was the same place, but things have > changed." > > 73, > > -- > Ken - K4XL > BoatAnchor Manual Archive > BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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>From my perspective it is. However, I can appreciate that it was even better in years past. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Bob Garrett wrote: > Ken and others, at least last evening, there was very few times when > somebody called on the frequency and unlike the other bands, there was no > great pile up or piling on. I believe at least for now the gentleman's band > is still alive and well Bob, K3 UL > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Ken and others, at least last evening, there was very few times when somebody called on the frequency and unlike the other bands, there was no great pile up or piling on.I believe at least for now the gentleman's band is still alive and wellBob, K3 UL Robert B. Garrett, President/C.E.O. North Central Sight Services, Inc. 2121 Reach Road Williamsport, PA 17701 P: 570-323-9401 Ext.126 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2015, at 10:09 AM, Kenneth Grimm wrote: > > Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ lamented: > > 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream > manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of > their rigs & linears... > > > > I think you are right, Eddy. However, I can remember as recently as the > 70's and maybe into the 80's being in a "gentleman's pileup" for a DX > station on 160 and finding it completely different. First of all, no one > called zero beat with the DX. With signal levels on top band, it is the > height of stupidity and simply bad manners to do that! Secondly, believe > it or not, if there were three or four stations calling...they generally > took their turn, giving the other guys in the "pile-up" a clear shot. > Calls tended to be quite short and you didn't call unless you heard the > DX. Those types of behavior seem to be long gone from top band. > > I used to refer to the "gentlemen's band" at the breakfast table when I was > telling my XYL about interesting DX and QSOs that I had had on top band the > night before. I don't remember exactly when, but at some point I started > calling it "Marconi's band." She asked about Marconi and I explained his > role in the development of "DXing." She then wanted to know why I had > changed from working on the "gentlemen's band" and moved to "Marconi's > band." My answer was that " it was the same place, but things have > changed." > > 73, > > -- > Ken - K4XL > BoatAnchor Manual Archive > BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ lamented: 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of their rigs & linears... I think you are right, Eddy. However, I can remember as recently as the 70's and maybe into the 80's being in a "gentleman's pileup" for a DX station on 160 and finding it completely different. First of all, no one called zero beat with the DX. With signal levels on top band, it is the height of stupidity and simply bad manners to do that! Secondly, believe it or not, if there were three or four stations calling...they generally took their turn, giving the other guys in the "pile-up" a clear shot. Calls tended to be quite short and you didn't call unless you heard the DX. Those types of behavior seem to be long gone from top band. I used to refer to the "gentlemen's band" at the breakfast table when I was telling my XYL about interesting DX and QSOs that I had had on top band the night before. I don't remember exactly when, but at some point I started calling it "Marconi's band." She asked about Marconi and I explained his role in the development of "DXing." She then wanted to know why I had changed from working on the "gentlemen's band" and moved to "Marconi's band." My answer was that " it was the same place, but things have changed." 73, -- Ken - K4XL BoatAnchor Manual Archive BAMA - http://bama.edebris.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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On 2015-01-23, at 7:34 AM, Mike Waters wrote: > Dave, this sort of immature behavior on the low end of 160 is rather > unusual, especially when we compare this sort of occurrence to the higher > HF bands. You're certainly correct that this sort of behavior is getting > worse, and not just in amateur radio. But don't give up on 160 because of a > few idiots. What you experienced is the exception, rather than the rule. > There's a reason that 160 is still rightly called the Gentleman's Band. :-) Hi Mike, 160 stopped becoming the "Gentleman's Band" ever since mainstream manufacturers started incoroporating a spot marked "160" on the front of their rigs & linears... ~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Dave, this sort of immature behavior on the low end of 160 is rather unusual, especially when we compare this sort of occurrence to the higher HF bands. You're certainly correct that this sort of behavior is getting worse, and not just in amateur radio. But don't give up on 160 because of a few idiots. What you experienced is the exception, rather than the rule. There's a reason that 160 is still rightly called the Gentleman's Band. :-) As for propagation getting better on 160, check out http://k9la.us/html/160m.html and specifically http://k9la.us/Predicting_160m_Propagation.pdf . It's tough to predict, but that's one of the things that makes 160m interesting. Just like tropo openings on 2m and above. 73, Mike www.w0btu.com On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Dave Olean wrote: > ... but so far, it looks like EP6T will be tough to get on 160 for me. I > did hear a few jammers, and from the strength I would say the jammers I > heard were in the USA. I don't understand that. What ever happened to the > Amateur's code? I guess some people hate contests with a vengeance, and > then some must hate DXing with equal malice, but that is no reason for such > bad behavior. I guess it means that basically the world is doomed and we > are in a death spiral towards utter mayhem and murder. I wonder if there is > this much aggression and psychotic behavior evident in stamp collecting? > I'll try EP6T again. Condx have been poor on 160 of late. Maybe it will get > better? > Dave K1WHS > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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Hello brethren, I have to complain and name the names. It is a second day in a row that I become the object of QRM. I come to a freq 3514 in particular, ask QRL? and, not receiving any objections, begin to call CQ. A few minutes later the frequency is under massive attack from EP6T callers whose TX frequency is at 3503 and he listens up 2-3. Now tell me is it within HAM SPIRIT to call a DX on a frequency in use? If it is okay and my understanding of ham radio is outdated, I will certainly do the same. Vive anarchy! Do not complain... As for split. Many novice expeditions like to CQ at the lower end therefore on some occasions making entire bands useless for those not involved. Why not CQ and split at the higher end of bands, where usually lesser activity is observed. 73 Alex HC2AO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
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On topband, I have not yet heard EP6T myself, but I have enjoyed listening to strong-signal stations in EU pileups when EP6T is spotted on 160M. Tim N3QE On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 3:26 PM, ALEXEY OGORODOV wrote: > That has kept me preplexed since the expedition began - not a single word > in the TB reflector. How come? Usually even a minor expedition with TB > claims is being widely discussed. I think everyone in NA, SA, OC hopes to > log them despite East EU wall and QRN/QRM issues fellows have been dealing > with. I've been hearing them on TB on my SS till abt 2.12 UT up and down, > max S4. Other bands they are resonably loud but focused mostly on EU. I > hope they will find time for SA. > > Congratulations to Florida Plumbers Team (since they have the pipeline)! > Well done, boys! > > 73 Alex > HC2AO > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
Hi Dave & all, Your observations of EP6T on 80 & 160 are the same here (in New England) Most of the past evenings, towards their sunrise, the 80 meter cw signal was very loud at times but hardly a NA QSO was heard. Mine sure wasn't Finally heard them, first time, last night on 160m about the same as you. for a few minutes, then gone. Both the 80 & 160 meter signals peaked on my 78 deg Beverage vs my 33 deg Beverage. No QSO of course. They must have quite a noise problem at their RX end. Will keep trying. Good luck to all! Dick, W1ZC Mason, NH -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Dave Olean Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:28 AM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world Hello Gary I got to listen first time for EP6T on 160 early Monday evening Jan 19. It was just before their sunrise. I could hardly hear them, but at times they would peak up to about 539, so a QSO was possible. They definitely peaked at sunrise. They were not hearing any northeast USA stations even though many were calling. Many times they came back to a wall of callers with another CQ or they worked an EU or Russian. I wonder if possibly my antenna is not aimed so good for EP6T. I was only hearing them on my EU beverage. It is aimed at 45 degrees and is over 1000 ft long They were inaudible on the vertical alone, Nil on the JA/ Brazil wire (un terminated). I do not have a beverage that aims east or southeast. I am not sure what the best heading would be with skewed paths etc. etc. but so far, it looks like EP6T will be tough to get on 160 for me. I did hear a few jammers, and from the strength I would say the jammers I heard were in the USA. I don't understand that. What ever happene d to the Amateur's code? I guess some people hate contests with a vengeance, and then some must hate DXing with equal malice, but that is no reason for such bad behavior. I guess it means that basically the world is doomed and we are in a death spiral towards utter mayhem and murder. I wonder if there is this much aggression and psychotic behavior evident in stamp collecting? I'll try EP6T again. Condx have been poor on 160 of late. Maybe it will get better? Dave K1WHS Message: 16 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:09:40 -0500 From: "Gary Smith" To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world Message-ID: <54bec414.17080.87b8...@gary.ka1j.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have been listening for them but barely hear them on 80 and never once yet on 160. Amazingly I worked them on 40 through the bastards QRMing on their frequency. I can't think of any DXpedetion I have heard with greater QRMing than this EP6T operation is enduring. I see a few of the fellows with excellent Rx antennas in NA posting hearing them, so they are being heard by some. Perhaps there are nulls in the 160 signal making it difficult/impossible for most to copy? Maybe it's just where we are in the cycle. If most of us could hear them, I'm guessing there would be more mention on the reflector? 73, Gary, KA1J That has kept me preplexed since the expedition began - not a single word in the TB reflector. How come? Usually even a minor expedition with TB claims is being widely discussed. I think everyone in NA, SA, OC hopes to log them despite East EU wall and QRN/QRM issues fellows have been dealing with. I've been hearing them on TB on my SS till abt 2.12 UT up and down, max S4. Other bands they are resonably loud but focused mostly on EU. I hope they will find time for SA. > > Congratulations to Florida Plumbers Team (since they have the pipeline)! Well done, boys! > > 73 Alex > HC2AO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
Hello Gary I got to listen first time for EP6T on 160 early Monday evening Jan 19. It was just before their sunrise. I could hardly hear them, but at times they would peak up to about 539, so a QSO was possible. They definitely peaked at sunrise. They were not hearing any northeast USA stations even though many were calling. Many times they came back to a wall of callers with another CQ or they worked an EU or Russian. I wonder if possibly my antenna is not aimed so good for EP6T. I was only hearing them on my EU beverage. It is aimed at 45 degrees and is over 1000 ft long They were inaudible on the vertical alone, Nil on the JA/ Brazil wire (un terminated). I do not have a beverage that aims east or southeast. I am not sure what the best heading would be with skewed paths etc. etc. but so far, it looks like EP6T will be tough to get on 160 for me. I did hear a few jammers, and from the strength I would say the jammers I heard were in the USA. I don't understand that. What ever happene d to the Amateur's code? I guess some people hate contests with a vengeance, and then some must hate DXing with equal malice, but that is no reason for such bad behavior. I guess it means that basically the world is doomed and we are in a death spiral towards utter mayhem and murder. I wonder if there is this much aggression and psychotic behavior evident in stamp collecting? I'll try EP6T again. Condx have been poor on 160 of late. Maybe it will get better? Dave K1WHS Message: 16 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:09:40 -0500 From: "Gary Smith" To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world Message-ID: <54bec414.17080.87b8...@gary.ka1j.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I have been listening for them but barely hear them on 80 and never once yet on 160. Amazingly I worked them on 40 through the bastards QRMing on their frequency. I can't think of any DXpedetion I have heard with greater QRMing than this EP6T operation is enduring. I see a few of the fellows with excellent Rx antennas in NA posting hearing them, so they are being heard by some. Perhaps there are nulls in the 160 signal making it difficult/impossible for most to copy? Maybe it's just where we are in the cycle. If most of us could hear them, I'm guessing there would be more mention on the reflector? 73, Gary, KA1J That has kept me preplexed since the expedition began - not a single word in the TB reflector. How come? Usually even a minor expedition with TB claims is being widely discussed. I think everyone in NA, SA, OC hopes to log them despite East EU wall and QRN/QRM issues fellows have been dealing with. I've been hearing them on TB on my SS till abt 2.12 UT up and down, max S4. Other bands they are resonably loud but focused mostly on EU. I hope they will find time for SA. > > Congratulations to Florida Plumbers Team (since they have the pipeline)! Well done, boys! > > 73 Alex > HC2AO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
Hi Jim, I think authorities did their best to allow ON folks all frequencies they wanted. The problem,I think, is purely technical. Their low band signals aren't strong even here in KN29AU. Just compare them to 9K2HN's on 160 in last contest. So the problem is engineering - not political. Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:25:40 -0800 от Jim Brown : >On Tue,1/20/2015 2:46 PM, David Raymond wrote: >> Zero copy here in Iowa on 160 for the EP6 op > >So far, this group is a non-event out here in 6-land. I've never heard >them, few others have either, and no one from our DX club has said that >they worked them. This is starting to smell like another EU trip for EU. >Or perhaps the authorities have seriously limited what they can do and >they're making the best of it. > >Quite different from other recent expeditions who made very successful >efforts to make a lot of Qs to the most difficult places. > >Last year, N6PSE arranged several skeds with EP3PK on 20 CW. He had a >very modest station, but a few dozen or more of us managed to work him. >I was among the lucky ones, and he promptly loaded his log to LOTW. > >73, Jim K9YC >_ >Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband -- 73, Victor Goncharsky US5WE/K1WE (UW5W in VHF contests, EO90WF in 2014), P.E. UARL Technical and VHF Committies DXCC Honor Roll #1 (Mixed, Phone) DXCC card checker (160 meters). _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
On Tue,1/20/2015 2:46 PM, David Raymond wrote: Zero copy here in Iowa on 160 for the EP6 op So far, this group is a non-event out here in 6-land. I've never heard them, few others have either, and no one from our DX club has said that they worked them. This is starting to smell like another EU trip for EU. Or perhaps the authorities have seriously limited what they can do and they're making the best of it. Quite different from other recent expeditions who made very successful efforts to make a lot of Qs to the most difficult places. Last year, N6PSE arranged several skeds with EP3PK on 20 CW. He had a very modest station, but a few dozen or more of us managed to work him. I was among the lucky ones, and he promptly loaded his log to LOTW. 73, Jim K9YC _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
Zero copy here in Iowa on 160 for the EP6 op. . . not even a hint A 160m Q will be out of the question. Very, very weak signals on 80. . .probably not strong enough to be workable. Signals on 40 are strong enough to be copyable but still very weak. I think the highest S meter reading I've seen on 40 is about S4 with 2el @ 130'. Many hours of calling on 40 with no Q. My common window of sunlight for the higher freq bands is only 10 minutes. I did manage to work them on 20 ssb yesterday and today on 15 ssb and 12 cw. . .but the openings are weak and short. I've never seen a signal on any band or mode more than S4. 73. . .Dave, W0FLS - Original Message - From: "ALEXEY OGORODOV" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:26 PM Subject: Topband: EP6T and outside world That has kept me preplexed since the expedition began - not a single word in the TB reflector. How come? Usually even a minor expedition with TB claims is being widely discussed. I think everyone in NA, SA, OC hopes to log them despite East EU wall and QRN/QRM issues fellows have been dealing with. I've been hearing them on TB on my SS till abt 2.12 UT up and down, max S4. Other bands they are resonably loud but focused mostly on EU. I hope they will find time for SA. Congratulations to Florida Plumbers Team (since they have the pipeline)! Well done, boys! 73 Alex HC2AO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
I was at my farm over in SW MS this weekend for 3 days and never heard EP6T. I talked to some friends in Oklahoma and they had the same reply. All we hear are the east coast guys calling. 73, Alan Clark, N5PA Ellisville, MS Email: n...@n5pa.com URL: http://www.n5pa.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Re: Topband: EP6T and outside world
I have been listening for them but barely hear them on 80 and never once yet on 160. Amazingly I worked them on 40 through the bastards QRMing on their frequency. I can't think of any DXpedetion I have heard with greater QRMing than this EP6T operation is enduring. I see a few of the fellows with excellent Rx antennas in NA posting hearing them, so they are being heard by some. Perhaps there are nulls in the 160 signal making it difficult/impossible for most to copy? Maybe it's just where we are in the cycle. If most of us could hear them, I'm guessing there would be more mention on the reflector? 73, Gary, KA1J > That has kept me preplexed since the expedition began - not a single word in the TB reflector. How come? Usually even a minor expedition with TB claims is being widely discussed. I think everyone in NA, SA, OC hopes to log them despite East EU wall and QRN/QRM issues fellows have been dealing with. I've been hearing them on TB on my SS till abt 2.12 UT up and down, max S4. Other bands they are resonably loud but focused mostly on EU. I hope they will find time for SA. > > Congratulations to Florida Plumbers Team (since they have the pipeline)! Well done, boys! > > 73 Alex > HC2AO > _ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
Topband: EP6T and outside world
That has kept me preplexed since the expedition began - not a single word in the TB reflector. How come? Usually even a minor expedition with TB claims is being widely discussed. I think everyone in NA, SA, OC hopes to log them despite East EU wall and QRN/QRM issues fellows have been dealing with. I've been hearing them on TB on my SS till abt 2.12 UT up and down, max S4. Other bands they are resonably loud but focused mostly on EU. I hope they will find time for SA. Congratulations to Florida Plumbers Team (since they have the pipeline)! Well done, boys! 73 Alex HC2AO _ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
