Re: Topband: K5P

[Don Kirk]

K5P was very strong on 160 meters this morning around 0830 UTC and QRN was
very low (no static crashes due to the lack of thunder storms in the US),
and I finally got into their log running my 100 watts and 68 foot base
loaded vertical.  I uploaded another recording of them calling CQ this
morning to document just how solid they really were on 160 meters, and here
is a link to the video for those interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDUK4CsJb9g=youtu.be

Looking at my pan adapter there were numerous stations calling K5P during
this recording which K5P apparently did not hear.

Thanks to the entire K5P crew, and based on clublog it looks like I owe
K9CT a big hug (shows him as the operator I worked).

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Mike Waters  wrote:

> I heard K5P and a JA a little over an hour ago (but didn't try and work
> them). Nice signals, both of them, on 580' Beverages SW and NW.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Stan Stockton  wrote:
>
> > Conditions must be pretty good right now.  I just worked them using an
> > inverted L with no radials, 20 over line noise (in SSB filter position)
> and
> > 100w.
> >
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Re: Topband: K5P 1/25/16 on 160 meters

[Don Kirk]

Hi Lou and gang,

Lou thanks for the link to your K5P recording, and below is a link to a
youtube video I made on Jan 16 while copying K5P on 160 meters that also
includes comparison of my approximate half size pennant versus my 68 foot
base loaded TX vertical for copying K5P (with noise floor set equal on them
so you can instantly see the improvement in signal to noise ratio when
using the pennant).

I was copying K5P just fine around 09:45 UTC today (6 dB above my noise
floor), but they could not hear my 100 watt station (they kept on calling
CQ with numerous stations calling them but it was apparent they were not
hearing a majority of them).  Normally if a Dxpedition is 6 dB above my
noise floor I don't have a problem working them running 100 watts, but that
has not been the case with K5P (probably partly due to the big pile ups,
but that was not the case this morning).

Unfortunately I leave the house at 1100 UTC for work, so I always miss
happy hour (sunrise enhancement).

Youtube Link to wd8dsb recording of K5P:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbyXcyatsYs

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Louis Parascondola via Topband <
topband@contesting.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Lou+w1qj
>
>
> Enjoy, Lou W1QJ
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Topband: K5P 1/25/16 on 160 meters

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Lou+w1qj


Enjoy, Lou W1QJ
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Topband: K5P

[Art Snapper]

I found this on their website today. Forgive me if it is a duplication of a
previous post.de Art NK8X


Update: 21-Jan @ 2300z.The aging Battle Creek Special has had
several problems.  Last night, we finally discovered an open connection in
the sloping inverted L off the top of the antenna and replaced it with new
copper wire.  Tonight we'll be on TopBand starting at 0500 UTC and every
night until next Tuesday..keep checking back for further updates.
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Wayne Kline]

I finally  bite and responded... 
 
My .02  ... IMO  and we all have one and they all don't agree  and  
things start spiraling out of control  FAST
 
IT's one thing to state an Opinion but if the Opinion takes on a tone of 
personal   attacks ...   HU
 
Have no place on a message boardPERIOUD 
 
 Back to my hole. 
 
 Wayne W3EA 
 
PS  no K5P this  am the 20th in EPA 

 
> From: g...@ka1j.com
> To: Topband@contesting.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:21:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
> 
> I agree and if that happens to me, then it's my stupidity that got me 
> there.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
> > For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of bad 
> > behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.  
> > There is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't behave 
> > like "gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be banned.  
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Bob/AA6VB
> > 
> > 
> > From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff 
> > <chac...@cableone.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
> > To: g...@ka1j.com
> > Cc: Topband@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
> > 
> > Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I 
> > expect the same here.
> > 
> > There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I 
> > would imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant 
> > (as are mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without 
> > Tom to focus their hate upon.
> > 
> > And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value 
> > with his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical 
> > state of the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.
> > 
> > But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and 
> > the group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the 
> > crap and move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)
> > 
> > I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should 
> > be banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought 
> > over someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to 
> > be solved here and only causes damage and pain.
> > 
> > I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty 
> > box with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second 
> > offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck 
> > (inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.
> > 
> > Cecil
> > K5DL
> > 
> > 
> > Sent using recycled electrons.
> > 
> > On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> > >> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> > >>
> > >> 73
> > >> Joe VO1NA
> > >
> > > As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham
> > > Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are
> > > available no more, what is left?
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Gary
> > > KA1J
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> 
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Don Lynch]

Pleasantly surprised to be able to snag K5P on 160 meters this morning.
Conditions were marginal but improving when I worked him.  QSO confirmed on
Club Log within 2 hours.  What a super operation!

The operator was K9CT - a superb operator with excellent ears.

Vy 73,

Don W4ZYT
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On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Tree <t...@kkn.net> wrote:

> I'll say a little about this subject - and then hope we can just focus on
> K5P and VP8STI posts.
>
> 1. I will continue to try and not approve each and every post.  It slows
> things way down.
>
> 2. I ask everyone to be a bit more selective in what they post.  Compose
> your message - does it really move the discussion forward - or is it just a
> me too post.  Is it really relevant to Topband?
>
> 3. Remove anything that suggests someone is wrong.  Try to frame it in a
> more positive way.  "You are wrong" doesn't work so well.  "Here is what I
> think and my experience" works so much better.
>
> 4. There are always a small number of people who cause problems - both on
> the air and here on the list.  Probably the people causing the issues on
> the air are not reading this list.
>
> 5. If you ever aren't sure if a posting is appropriate - or if you see one
> that you don't think is appropriate - then you can contact me.
>
> 6. W8JI doesn't make or break this reflector.  He is a great resource - and
> I am sorry that things got under his skin.
>
> 7. There is nothing wrong with only looking at posts with a web browser or
> getting the digest version.  If you feel you need to read each message
> right when it comes out - and respond to them right away - you might
> re-think your priorities.
>
> THANKS!
>
> Tree N6TR/XE1
> Guadalaraja, Mexico
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:24 AM, Chortek, Robert L. <
> robert.chor...@berliner.com> wrote:
>
> > For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of
> bad
> > behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.
> > There is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't
> behave
> > like "gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be
> banned.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Bob/AA6VB
> >
> > ________
> > From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff
> <
> > chac...@cableone.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
> > To: g...@ka1j.com
> > Cc: Topband@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
> >
> > Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I
> > expect the same here.
> >
> > There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I
> > would imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are
> insignificant
> > (as are mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without
> > Tom to focus their hate upon.
> >
> > And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great
> value
> > with his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the
> technical
> > state of the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.
> >
> > But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and
> > the group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the
> > crap and move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)
> >
> > I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should
> > be banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought
> > over someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to
> > be solved here and only causes damage and pain.
> >
> > I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty
> > box with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second
> > offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a
> buck
> > (inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.
> >
> > Cecil
> > K5DL
> >
> >
> > Sent using recycled electrons.
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> > >> rank his su

Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[jon jones]

K5P was surprisingly solid on 1.821.5 with just a wire attached to one of the 
rain gutter downspouts this morning in eastern KS around local sunrise.  
Motivated me to put up a wire inverted L today, will see what tomorrow brings.
 - N0JK


> They had great sigs this AM.  Heard Jack VE1ZZ work them around 1025 utc
> after I shovelled the driveway in the dawn.
> 
> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA

  
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Gary Smith]

I agree and if that happens to me, then it's my stupidity that got me 
there.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of bad 
> behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.  
> There is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't behave 
> like "gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be banned.  
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bob/AA6VB
> 
> 
> From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff 
> <chac...@cableone.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: g...@ka1j.com
> Cc: Topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
> 
> Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I 
> expect the same here.
> 
> There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I would 
> imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant (as are 
> mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without Tom to 
> focus their hate upon.
> 
> And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value 
> with his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical 
> state of the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.
> 
> But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and the 
> group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the crap and 
> move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)
> 
> I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should be 
> banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought over 
> someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to be 
> solved here and only causes damage and pain.
> 
> I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty box 
> with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second 
> offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck 
> (inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.
> 
> Cecil
> K5DL
> 
> 
> Sent using recycled electrons.
> 
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
> 
> >> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> >> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Joe VO1NA
> >
> > As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham
> > Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are
> > available no more, what is left?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Gary Smith]

> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA

As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham 
Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are 
available no more, what is left?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[jcraig]

Congtats Mike.

They had great sigs this AM.  Heard Jack VE1ZZ work them around 1025 utc
after I shovelled the driveway in the dawn.

Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.

73
Joe VO1NA


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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Cecil Acuff]

Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I expect 
the same here.

There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I would 
imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant (as are 
mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without Tom to focus 
their hate upon.

And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value with 
his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical state of 
the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.

But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and the 
group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the crap and 
move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)

I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should be 
banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought over 
someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to be solved 
here and only causes damage and pain.

I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty box 
with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second 
offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck 
(inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.

Cecil
K5DL


Sent using recycled electrons.

On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith  wrote:

>> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
>> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
>> 
>> 73
>> Joe VO1NA
> 
> As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham 
> Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are 
> available no more, what is left?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Chortek, Robert L.]

For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of bad 
behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.  There 
is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't behave like 
"gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be banned.  

73,

Bob/AA6VB


From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff 
<chac...@cableone.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
To: g...@ka1j.com
Cc: Topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I expect 
the same here.

There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I would 
imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant (as are 
mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without Tom to focus 
their hate upon.

And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value with 
his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical state of 
the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.

But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and the 
group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the crap and 
move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)

I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should be 
banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought over 
someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to be solved 
here and only causes damage and pain.

I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty box 
with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second 
offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck 
(inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.

Cecil
K5DL


Sent using recycled electrons.

On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:

>> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
>> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
>>
>> 73
>> Joe VO1NA
>
> As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham
> Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are
> available no more, what is left?
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
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Topband: K5P this morning

[Milt]

Courtesy of the Jack's peak Amateur Radio Assn. there is a live (1 minute 
delayed)


stream of the K5P 160 Meter operation at

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/22086/web

Enjoy until the sun comes up and the signal goes away.

73, de Milt, N5IA 


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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[GALE STEWARD via Topband]

They had a great signal on 160 this AM. Worked at 1145Z here in SE PA.
There was a nice SR peak here on 80M also. Worked at 1228Z.
Stew K3ND
 

 
   
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Tree]

I'll say a little about this subject - and then hope we can just focus on
K5P and VP8STI posts.

1. I will continue to try and not approve each and every post.  It slows
things way down.

2. I ask everyone to be a bit more selective in what they post.  Compose
your message - does it really move the discussion forward - or is it just a
me too post.  Is it really relevant to Topband?

3. Remove anything that suggests someone is wrong.  Try to frame it in a
more positive way.  "You are wrong" doesn't work so well.  "Here is what I
think and my experience" works so much better.

4. There are always a small number of people who cause problems - both on
the air and here on the list.  Probably the people causing the issues on
the air are not reading this list.

5. If you ever aren't sure if a posting is appropriate - or if you see one
that you don't think is appropriate - then you can contact me.

6. W8JI doesn't make or break this reflector.  He is a great resource - and
I am sorry that things got under his skin.

7. There is nothing wrong with only looking at posts with a web browser or
getting the digest version.  If you feel you need to read each message
right when it comes out - and respond to them right away - you might
re-think your priorities.

THANKS!

Tree N6TR/XE1
Guadalaraja, Mexico

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:24 AM, Chortek, Robert L. <
robert.chor...@berliner.com> wrote:

> For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of bad
> behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.
> There is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't behave
> like "gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be banned.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob/AA6VB
>
> 
> From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff <
> chac...@cableone.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: g...@ka1j.com
> Cc: Topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
> Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I
> expect the same here.
>
> There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I
> would imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant
> (as are mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without
> Tom to focus their hate upon.
>
> And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value
> with his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical
> state of the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.
>
> But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and
> the group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the
> crap and move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)
>
> I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should
> be banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought
> over someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to
> be solved here and only causes damage and pain.
>
> I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty
> box with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second
> offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck
> (inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.
>
> Cecil
> K5DL
>
>
> Sent using recycled electrons.
>
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> >> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Joe VO1NA
> >
> > As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham
> > Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are
> > available no more, what is left?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[mstangelo]

When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them.

You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad feelings.

If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to 
person. Be diplomatic.

Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing 
something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention that 
other listeners have noted the fact. 

If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting or 
DX'ing forum such as this

I find it is better to show them the way.

Mike N2MS 



- Original Message -
From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 01:54:50 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.

When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are 
unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it.

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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Hank Garretson]

Good advice. I suggest taking it a step farther.

It is the rare ham who takes criticism, even constructive, well. So,...

Privately suggest to them how doing it differently will increase their fun,
will increase their chances of making the QSO. Suggest listening a bit.
Suggest timing. Etcetera. Help them be better and use the carrot of better
results and more fun.

Ham Exuberantly,

Hank, W6SX



On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:00 AM,  wrote:

>
> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
> them.
>
> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
> feelings.
>
> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to
> person. Be diplomatic.
>
> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>
> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>
> I find it is better to show them the way.
>
> Mike N2MS
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Roger D Johnson]

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more 
times you

send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.

I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on 
top of
someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about 
them!


73, Roger


On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:


When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them.

You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad feelings.

If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to 
person. Be diplomatic.

Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing 
something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention that 
other listeners have noted the fact.

If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting or 
DX'ing forum such as this

I find it is better to show them the way.

Mike N2MS





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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Doug Renwick]

Reminds me of our 'catch and release' justice? system.

Doug/VE5RA

I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.

-Original Message-

Good advice. I suggest taking it a step farther.

It is the rare ham who takes criticism, even constructive, well. So,...

Privately suggest to them how doing it differently will increase their fun,
will increase their chances of making the QSO. Suggest listening a bit.
Suggest timing. Etcetera. Help them be better and use the carrot of better
results and more fun.

Ham Exuberantly,

Hank, W6SX



On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:00 AM,  wrote:

>
> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
> them.
>
> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
> feelings.
>
> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to
> person. Be diplomatic.
>
> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>
> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>
> I find it is better to show them the way.
>
> Mike N2MS
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Doug Renwick]

Good point.  I use that same technique when the callers get out of sync.
What appears to be lids are actually folks who are out of sync.  I gave the
callsign twice on 160 phone from Clipperton to keep things under control.
I will admit that I have used the continuous calling technique when the DX
station was listening randomly without any pattern (i.e. crap shoot).  Also
I will call when I believe the DX has busted my call, which happens too
often.

Doug/VE5RA

I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.

-Original Message-

I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling
(I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but
thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some
light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete
solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes
deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc).

As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest
cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out
of the pile up 2 times.  My best guess was that operators that have longer
calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't
hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still
sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync
(they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick
out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to
start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.).  I
would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the
problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts),
I would implement this technique with great success.

I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls
two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the
results are normally very impressive.  This technique is not often
discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might
think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful
(and often the most efficient method).

Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year.

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson 
wrote:

> The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.
>
> I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're
> calling on top of
> someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all
> about them!
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
>> them.
>>
>> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
>> feelings.
>>
>> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person
>> to person. Be diplomatic.
>>
>> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
>> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
>> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>>
>> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
>> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>>
>> I find it is better to show them the way.
>>
>> Mike N2MS
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

That's correct, and the ones who do it know it.  It's a real nasty way to "tail 
end". "Tail ending" is nothing new and has been proven also as a tactic.  
Sometimes it works real good and it all depends on the Dx operator and his 
habits.  Constant calling is a combination of tail ending and what ever other 
purpose it serves on getting "picked out".  When a dx station is operating 
split, it means nothing, it's only when the operation is simplex.  It seems 
that the "call area" system by the DX op's has gone by the wayside due to the 
call sign assignment, but one could still use /X if they want.  That used to 
narrow down the pile up somewhat on a simplex operation.  I suppose working 
split does away with the need for that.  There has been numerous articles 
written on the subject of increasing your odds on working a rare DX station in 
pile  ups.  As long as a DX op is constant you can usually find an MO.  

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.




-Original Message-
From: Don Kirk <wd8...@gmail.com>
To: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
Cc: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 11:39 am
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling
(I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but
thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some
light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete
solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes
deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc).

As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest
cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out
of the pile up 2 times.  My best guess was that operators that have longer
calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't
hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still
sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync
(they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick
out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to
start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.).  I
would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the
problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts),
I would implement this technique with great success.

I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls
two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the
results are normally very impressive.  This technique is not often
discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might
think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful
(and often the most efficient method).

Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year.

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.
>
> I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're
> calling on top of
> someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all
> about them!
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
>> them.
>>
>> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
>> feelings.
>>
>> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person
>> to person. Be diplomatic.
>>
>> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
>> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
>> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>>
>> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
>> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>>
>> I find it is better to show them the way.
>>
>> Mike N2MS
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Larry via Topband]

hi roger,


just what do you mean by "calling on top of someone else"? of course they are 
since a rare station creates so many callers that it is impossible to find a 
calling frequency that is clear. even if it seems clear doesn't mean that it 
actually is. there are probably tons of stations that you can't hear. for those 
who do not have the ability to "dual receive" do you expect them to check their 
TX frequency before transmitting? i would guess that you have never been on the 
DX end of the pile up.


if you want a clear frequency then try this- if the DX announces he is 
listening between 14205 and 14210 then cluster spot him listening on 14209.5. 
80% of the callers will move up which gives you the best chance when you call 
between 14205 and 14206. it's a PILE UP my friend, almost everything goes.


also, would you please include your call sign to the comments that you make. i 
am replying to roger who?


73,
larry
n7dd  

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more 
times you
send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.

I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on 
top of
someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about 
them!

73, Roger




-Original Message-
From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more 
times you
send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.

I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on 
top of
someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about 
them!

73, Roger


On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them.
>
> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad 
> feelings.
>
> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to 
> person. Be diplomatic.
>
> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing 
> something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention 
> that other listeners have noted the fact.
>
> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting 
> or DX'ing forum such as this
>
> I find it is better to show them the way.
>
> Mike N2MS
>
>
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Don Kirk]

I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling
(I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but
thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some
light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete
solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes
deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc).

As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest
cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out
of the pile up 2 times.  My best guess was that operators that have longer
calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't
hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still
sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync
(they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick
out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to
start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.).  I
would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the
problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts),
I would implement this technique with great success.

I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls
two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the
results are normally very impressive.  This technique is not often
discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might
think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful
(and often the most efficient method).

Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year.

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson 
wrote:

> The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.
>
> I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're
> calling on top of
> someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all
> about them!
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
>> them.
>>
>> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
>> feelings.
>>
>> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person
>> to person. Be diplomatic.
>>
>> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
>> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
>> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>>
>> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
>> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>>
>> I find it is better to show them the way.
>>
>> Mike N2MS
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

There is one particular ham who always does this and is in the top 5 in the 
challenge.

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !


There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what station
the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.

73, Roger


On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>
> What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
> was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would all
> come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> discern who he was coming back to?
>
>
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Randy Lake <randyn1...@gmail.com>
To: Louis Parascondola <gudguy...@aol.com>; topband@contesting.com 
<Topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !




Who
 is it? A little peer pressure goes a long way.Randy
 N1KWF
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Louis 
Parascondola via Topband <mailto:topband@contesting.com;>topband@contesting.com>
 wrote:
There is one particular ham 
who always does this and is in the top 5 in the challenge.



Sent from AOL Mobile Mail





-Original Message-

From: Roger D Johnson <mailto:n...@roadrunner.com;>n...@roadrunner.com>

To: topband <mailto:topband@contesting.com;>topband@contesting.com>

Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM

Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !





There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what station

the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.



73, Roger





On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:

>

> What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)

> was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would all

> come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are

> these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to

> discern who he was coming back to?

>

>

>

>

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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Roger D Johnson]

There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what station
the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.

73, Roger


On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:


What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would all
come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
discern who he was coming back to?





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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Randy Lake]

The problem is that it does not work 99% of the time and slows down and
frustrates the DX and slows down and frustrates the people trying to work
the DX. We should all start outing these problem ops. Like the VE9 said, if
it is close it is one thing but usually and most of the time it is not even
close. People talk about using the P3 to find where the DX is listening. I
have NEVER been able to use that method as 500 ops are calling out of turn !

Randy N1KWF

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Louis Parascondola <gudguy...@aol.com>
wrote:

> I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Lake <randyn1...@gmail.com>
> To: Louis Parascondola <gudguy...@aol.com>; topband@contesting.com <
> Topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> Who is it? A little peer pressure goes a long way.
> Randy N1KWF
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband <
> topband@contesting.com> wrote:
>
> There is one particular ham who always does this and is in the top 5 in
> the challenge.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what
> station
> the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> >
> > What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many
> decades)
> > was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
> all
> > come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> > these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> > discern who he was coming back to?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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> 73 Gunn Rd.
> Keene,NH
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Randy Lake]

Who is it? A little peer pressure goes a long way.
Randy N1KWF

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband <
topband@contesting.com> wrote:

> There is one particular ham who always does this and is in the top 5 in
> the challenge.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what
> station
> the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> >
> > What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many
> decades)
> > was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
> all
> > come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> > these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> > discern who he was coming back to?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Topband: K5P good job!

[Kevin Stover]

Most of this can be laid at the feet of a few things.

1. People trying to work a big pile like K5P and not really being able 
to copy Morse.
They can't tell who's being called. They're relying on a computer or 
rig, in the case of the K3, to decode for them and the technology is not 
nearly as good as a trained human brain.


2. People have no clue how to run split on their rigs or they figure if 
they TX on top of the DX enough they'll get worked just to be rid of 
them. It's the nuisance factor. If it was me they'd NEVER make it in the 
log.
Yes, people do make mistakes and the brighter folks can tell when 
something is wrong and fix it. Continuously calling for half an hour on 
top of the DX or out of turn is NO mistake. Blacklist 'em!


3. Poor upbringing. This is all about them and they don't give a hoot 
about anybody else.

Another group of people who would NEVER end up in the log.

On 1/17/2016 11:40 AM, lmlangenf...@tds.net wrote:

Message: 16
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:55:36 -0400
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve...@nbnet.nb.ca>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: K5P good job !

If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't hearing
him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
only have so many days)

gah !

Mike VE9AA

**


Mike, you're quite right.  There seems to be a real epidemic of those 
constantly calling out-of-turn (COOTs??) lately, and there's no question 
Q-rates are suffering as a result of this senseless (and now seemingly 
pervasive) QRM.  There's no rational excuse for it.

Both yesterday and this morning I heard many more than a few "easy" Qs fail to 
go to completion when K5P diligently and accurately tried to reply to callers who 
responded with nothing more than relentless repetitions of their calls.  Apparently you 
did , too.

Jeepers!

73,

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Re: Topband: K5P good job!

[Larry]

If the op gives in to the pummeling then even worse chaos generally ensues. 
Of course, trying to hold out kills the rate. The op may have "heard" a call 
that really wasn't there or a station that finally just fell out of the 
propagation range.  It's a challenge to decide when to abandon a call and to 
go on.


73, Larry  W6NWS
-Original Message- 
From: lmlangenf...@tds.net

Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:40 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job!

Message: 16
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:55:36 -0400
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve...@nbnet.nb.ca>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: K5P good job !

If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't hearing
him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
only have so many days)

gah !

Mike VE9AA

**


Mike, you're quite right.  There seems to be a real epidemic of those 
constantly calling out-of-turn (COOTs??) lately, and there's no question 
Q-rates are suffering as a result of this senseless (and now seemingly 
pervasive) QRM.  There's no rational excuse for it.


Both yesterday and this morning I heard many more than a few "easy" Qs fail 
to go to completion when K5P diligently and accurately tried to reply to 
callers who responded with nothing more than relentless repetitions of their 
calls.  Apparently you did , too.


Jeepers!

73,

Mark -- WA9ETW
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Art Snapper]

This crazy behavior may be related to mob mentality.

73

Art NK8X
ᐧ

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Larry <lkn...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Sadly, a number of A1 Op members use this tactic and you would think they
> would know better.
>
> 73, Larry  W6NWS
>
> -Original Message- From: Louis Parascondola via Topband
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:19 PM
> To: n...@roadrunner.com ; topband@contesting.com
>
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
> There is one particular ham who always does this and is in the top 5 in
> the challenge.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what
> station
> the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>
>>
>> What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many
>> decades)
>> was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
>> all
>> come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
>> these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
>> discern who he was coming back to?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:

I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.


When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are 
unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you 
understand.

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 08:55 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !


On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.

When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are 
unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it.

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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Tree]

Guys - these types of threads are really just noise.  Let's try to improve
the quality of each and every post on this reflector.  After you have typed
a message - think about what 10 similar messages would look like on the
reflector and hit delete if the comment really does not have high value.

Thanks.

Tree N6TR

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband <
topband@contesting.com> wrote:

> The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you
> understand.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 08:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> > I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.
>
> When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are
> unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,1/17/2016 6:02 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:

The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you 
understand.


Of course. But there are times when we need the courage to take a stand. 
A bully is a bully.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

Of course depending on the band you may not hear him, but he's on every band 
from 160 to 6 meters.  I'm not complaining and I didn't start the thread, I 
just said I knew someone that uses the ploy and it usually works as he 
generally gets in ahead of me who waits patiently.  If I don't get in se LA 
vie.  Lou W1QJ

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 09:29 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !


On Sun,1/17/2016 6:02 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you 
> understand.

Of course. But there are times when we need the courage to take a stand. 
A bully is a bully.

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Topband: K5P good job !

[Mike Smith VE9AA]

Whoever the 160m op was this morning was doing a really great job, moving
right along at aprox 32-33wpm.  (I have to wonder if it was K9CT)

I managed to get in the log at 1155z (10mins before SR here), however there
were a few W1's and a VE1 that were worked 10-15mins before that.

 

What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would all
come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
discern who he was coming back to?  

 

Now, In full disclosure, I am no saint, and have been known to respond to a
DX stn if there's an unruly p/u I hear something like VE3A? VE3A? or 9AA?,
9AA? ,IT9A? IT9A? or VE8AU? VE8AU? or VE1AAA? VE1AAA? but all those dance
around my call (VE9AA). If there's any change "away" from my call, I stop
calling.  I also listen to my xmit QRG and if there's someone with a closer
call, I will stop calling.  Luckily, it almost always starts off with VE9?
or 9AA? so I am good 99% of the time and rarely step on anyones toes. (and
always feel bad if I do)

 

If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't hearing
him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
only have so many days)

 

gah !

 

Anyways, they were doing an incredible job despite incessant callers..some
of whom NEVER stopped calling.  They were in here solid for a good hour at
about 529-549 (no preamp on), inverted L @ 35' a mile of radials..and up to
26mins past SR here before slipping into the dust.

 

Well done Islanders ! Well done.

 

Mike VE9AA

 

Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB

 

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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Tim Shoppa]

Mike, if you go to clublog.org, search K5P DXpedition log for your call,
and mouse over the greenie, you will see the operator for your QSO (his
call and picture). I don't think they've uploaded this morning's QSO's yet
but they are doing uploads several times a day.

W0GJ was the operator for my 160M QSO. Sharp looking guy!

Tim N3QE

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA  wrote:

> Whoever the 160m op was this morning was doing a really great job, moving
> right along at aprox 32-33wpm.  (I have to wonder if it was K9CT)
>
> I managed to get in the log at 1155z (10mins before SR here), however there
> were a few W1's and a VE1 that were worked 10-15mins before that.
>
>
>
> What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
> was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
> all
> come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> discern who he was coming back to?
>
>
>
> Now, In full disclosure, I am no saint, and have been known to respond to a
> DX stn if there's an unruly p/u I hear something like VE3A? VE3A? or 9AA?,
> 9AA? ,IT9A? IT9A? or VE8AU? VE8AU? or VE1AAA? VE1AAA? but all those dance
> around my call (VE9AA). If there's any change "away" from my call, I stop
> calling.  I also listen to my xmit QRG and if there's someone with a closer
> call, I will stop calling.  Luckily, it almost always starts off with VE9?
> or 9AA? so I am good 99% of the time and rarely step on anyones toes. (and
> always feel bad if I do)
>
>
>
> If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
> who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't
> hearing
> him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
> original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
> only have so many days)
>
>
>
> gah !
>
>
>
> Anyways, they were doing an incredible job despite incessant callers..some
> of whom NEVER stopped calling.  They were in here solid for a good hour at
> about 529-549 (no preamp on), inverted L @ 35' a mile of radials..and up to
> 26mins past SR here before slipping into the dust.
>
>
>
> Well done Islanders ! Well done.
>
>
>
> Mike VE9AA
>
>
>
> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>
> Keswick Ridge, NB
>
>
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Gary Smith]

Tim,

I just checked as you mentioned and it was indeed K9CT I worked on 
160 that first night. One fine op and I am amazed I got in the log at 
all, I could hear them but the QSB was so deep they were dropping out 
mid call and coming up only to drop out again. Tough conditions on my 
end and surely on theirs as well.

Love 160

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Mike, if you go to clublog.org, search K5P DXpedition log for your call,
> and mouse over the greenie, you will see the operator for your QSO (his
> call and picture). I don't think they've uploaded this morning's QSO's yet
> but they are doing uploads several times a day.
> 
> W0GJ was the operator for my 160M QSO. Sharp looking guy!
> 
> Tim N3QE
> 
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA  wrote:
> 
> > Whoever the 160m op was this morning was doing a really great job, moving
> > right along at aprox 32-33wpm.  (I have to wonder if it was K9CT)
> >
> > I managed to get in the log at 1155z (10mins before SR here), however there
> > were a few W1's and a VE1 that were worked 10-15mins before that.
> >
> >
> >
> > What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
> > was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
> > all
> > come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> > these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> > discern who he was coming back to?
> >
> >
> >
> > Now, In full disclosure, I am no saint, and have been known to respond to a
> > DX stn if there's an unruly p/u I hear something like VE3A? VE3A? or 9AA?,
> > 9AA? ,IT9A? IT9A? or VE8AU? VE8AU? or VE1AAA? VE1AAA? but all those dance
> > around my call (VE9AA). If there's any change "away" from my call, I stop
> > calling.  I also listen to my xmit QRG and if there's someone with a closer
> > call, I will stop calling.  Luckily, it almost always starts off with VE9?
> > or 9AA? so I am good 99% of the time and rarely step on anyones toes. (and
> > always feel bad if I do)
> >
> >
> >
> > If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
> > who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't
> > hearing
> > him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
> > original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
> > only have so many days)
> >
> >
> >
> > gah !
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyways, they were doing an incredible job despite incessant callers..some
> > of whom NEVER stopped calling.  They were in here solid for a good hour at
> > about 529-549 (no preamp on), inverted L @ 35' a mile of radials..and up to
> > 26mins past SR here before slipping into the dust.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well done Islanders ! Well done.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike VE9AA
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike, Coreen & Corey
> >
> > Keswick Ridge, NB
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Nodir Tursoon-Zadeh]

Dedicated operation on 160! Very pationed operator and great ears. Heard few 
station from Central Asia got through and even UA4. Many JA's.


Best report is 599 on my QTH.

Two peaks. 30 minutes before their SR for about 10 minutes and another peak 
right on SR time.





Regards,

Nodir Tursun-Zade
EY8MM
http://www.ey8mm.com/

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Re: Topband: K5P good job!

[lmlangenf...@tds.net]

Message: 16
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:55:36 -0400
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve...@nbnet.nb.ca>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: K5P good job !

If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't hearing
him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
only have so many days)

gah !

Mike VE9AA

**


Mike, you're quite right.  There seems to be a real epidemic of those 
constantly calling out-of-turn (COOTs??) lately, and there's no question 
Q-rates are suffering as a result of this senseless (and now seemingly 
pervasive) QRM.  There's no rational excuse for it.

Both yesterday and this morning I heard many more than a few "easy" Qs fail to 
go to completion when K5P diligently and accurately tried to reply to callers 
who responded with nothing more than relentless repetitions of their calls.  
Apparently you did , too.

Jeepers!

73,

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Topband: K5P 160m run

[Mike via Topband]

What a run K5P has had on 160 the last 2 nights!  I run an inverted L  with 
the vertical portion up 65" and 90 radials of which 60 are 120'.  It's  not 
a bad Tx ant, but not so hot on Rx, and I need a bit better Wx to put up 
the  Hi-Z array I bought.  I usually hear stations in the pacific for 30- 60 
min  before my sunrise here in the black hole of DX in southern Michigan and 
they are  only workable for 15-30 min.  These guys were workable for hours 
prior to  my sunrise (worked them @ 0530 EST, 1030Z, 2.5h before sunrise, 550 
W) and  I heard them for an hour after when most stations fade within 
minutes after  sunrise.  Impressive.
 
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Re: Topband: K5P 160m run

[Art Snapper]

I was surprised how much stronger they are here on TB than on 80.

Art NK8X

ᐧ

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Mike via Topband 
wrote:

> What a run K5P has had on 160 the last 2 nights!  I run an inverted L  with
> the vertical portion up 65" and 90 radials of which 60 are 120'.  It's  not
> a bad Tx ant, but not so hot on Rx, and I need a bit better Wx to put up
> the  Hi-Z array I bought.  I usually hear stations in the pacific for 30-
> 60
> min  before my sunrise here in the black hole of DX in southern Michigan
> and
> they are  only workable for 15-30 min.  These guys were workable for hours
> prior to  my sunrise (worked them @ 0530 EST, 1030Z, 2.5h before sunrise,
> 550
> W) and  I heard them for an hour after when most stations fade within
> minutes after  sunrise.  Impressive.
>
> Mike KD8RQE
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Re: Topband: K5P 160m run

[Tim Shoppa]

They had huge signal on 160M here in W3 last night.

On 80M... my unconfirmed suspicion is that they have one ?Battle Creek
Special? and maybe one ?lowband receive system?, and cannot activate both
160M and 80M simultaneously with the good stuff.

Right now the stats in clublog say they 120 in zone 3 on 160M, but only 23
in zone 3 on 80M.

They certainly had the good stuff on 160M last night! Their signal was
entirely comparable to that E5 activation in October on that first
exceptional morning.

Tim N3QE

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Art Snapper  wrote:

> I was surprised how much stronger they are here on TB than on 80.
>
> Art NK8X
>
> ᐧ
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Mike via Topband  >
> wrote:
>
> > What a run K5P has had on 160 the last 2 nights!  I run an inverted L
> with
> > the vertical portion up 65" and 90 radials of which 60 are 120'.  It's
> not
> > a bad Tx ant, but not so hot on Rx, and I need a bit better Wx to put up
> > the  Hi-Z array I bought.  I usually hear stations in the pacific for 30-
> > 60
> > min  before my sunrise here in the black hole of DX in southern Michigan
> > and
> > they are  only workable for 15-30 min.  These guys were workable for
> hours
> > prior to  my sunrise (worked them @ 0530 EST, 1030Z, 2.5h before sunrise,
> > 550
> > W) and  I heard them for an hour after when most stations fade within
> > minutes after  sunrise.  Impressive.
> >
> > Mike KD8RQE
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Topband: K5P in Zone 14

[Doug Turnbull]

Dear OMs,
 Please do not think I am criticizing the team.   So far at 17:27 GMT on
Jan16 there has only been one 160M QSO with zone 14 which includes EI, G, DL
etc.The propagation gods are not favouring us at all.   K5P is a hard
reach on most bands and once you go away from 17 through 40 meters there are
literally only about five QSOs total on the other bands.

  Some are losing their reason and making poor comments which reflect
badly on both them and their nations.   We as a hobby need to do better in
recognizing the troubles of the DXpedition.

  73 Doug EI2CN

PS The comments about reception in the States are most interesting.

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   1. Re: strange propagation (Roger D Johnson)
   2. K5P 160m run (kd8...@aol.com)
   3. Re: K5P 160m run (Art Snapper)
   4. 160m monoband amp (was strange propagation) (Louis Parascondola)
   5. Re: K5P 160m run (Tim Shoppa)
   6. Asia lowband contest right now? (Tim Shoppa)
   7. Re: FCC regulations circa 1960's (John Frazier)
   8. Re: strange propagation (kol...@rcn.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 09:08:29 -0500
From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
To: Top Band Reflector <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: strange propagation
Message-ID: <569a4edd.8000...@roadrunner.com>
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Sounds like someone retreating to his Homogenous Cluster where everyone
agrees with him.

Bye, Tom


On 1/16/2016 8:37 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
> This reflector has gone down the toilet with personal BS that serves no
> purpose except to pick fights.
>
> After 20 years, I'm leaving it.It sure went down the tubes.
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Louis Parascondola via Topband"
> <topband@contesting.com>
> To: <n...@roadrunner.com>; <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Topband: strange propagation
>
>
>> That was not nice.
>>
>>
>> Lou W1QJ
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
>> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2016 7:09 am
>> Subject: Re: Topband: strange propagation
>>
>>
>> Sounds a lot like the RHR folks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A friend of mine at the Georgia State Public Service Training Center
(right
>>> down my street) says this social trend, made pandemic through Internet,
has
>>> even been assigned a name now. It is called Homogeneous Clustering. This
is
>>> where groups of people cluster together and invent their own reality,
feed off
>>> each other's emotions, and dismiss anyone outside their group as a
problem and
>>> dishonest.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 Tom
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 10:09:55 -0500
From: kd8...@aol.com
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Topband: K5P 160m run
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What a run K5P has had on 160 the last 2 nights!  I run an inverted L  with 
the vertical portion up 65" and 90 radials of which 60 are 120'.  It's  not 
a bad Tx ant, but not so hot on Rx, and I need a bit better Wx to put up 
the  Hi-Z array I bought.  I usually hear stations in the pacific for 30- 60

min  before my sunrise here in the black hole of DX in southern Michigan and

they are  only workable for 15-30 min.  These gu

Re: Topband: K5P in Zone 14

[Roger D Johnson]

According to Clublog's Leaderboard stations east of the Mississippi are almost 
nil.

73, Roger


On 1/16/2016 12:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Sat,1/16/2016 9:31 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:

The propagation gods are not favouring us at all.   K5P is a hard
reach on most bands and once you go away from 17 through 40 meters there are
literally only about five QSOs total on the other bands.


Now you know what life can be like in W6 with expeditions that are in the back 
yard of EU. :)


The island K5P is a protected wild life refuge, and access is quite 
restricted, even to the extent of the size of aircraft they could land on the 
island. That caused them to decide to travel light, including antennas. Rigs 
are K3s with KPA500s, HF antennas are SteppIR verticals. The 160 antenna is a 
Battle Creek special, and I suspect they have run some Beverages. BTW -- that 
aircraft got even smaller a day or so before they took off, causing them to 
trim the team by several men.


Here in NorCal, we're only 3400 miles from them over water. Sigs are great on 
160M, not great on the HF bands. 160M is a lot louder than 80M. I managed to 
work them yesterday on 10 and 12 CW, but I had to wait several hours for them 
to get from "vapor" to 229 to call them (and be able to copy my call), and 
they never got louder than that 229.


I know about half the team, and I know they are dedicated to putting unique 
calls in the log, and are favoring EU as much as they can when they think 
there's an opening. On one of their first nights on 30M calling EU, there were 
EU spots saying that 10115 had bad QRM, please go to 10116. I emailed one of 
the guys, and the next day they were on a different frequency.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P 160m run

[George]

Guys

They have a BCS which is what they are using on 160.  The BCS also has 80 m 
capability but that trap shorted so it isn't working on that band.


But the BCS wasn't to be their main 80 m antenna, anyway.  They were gg to 
use a Steppir vertical, as I recall.  I haven't heard there is a problem 
with the latter but the 80 m sigs seem to be weaker than expected.


They are a resourceful bunch of ops so I would expect plenty of 80 m action 
from some antenna.


GL

73  George  W8UVZ

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Shoppa

Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:32 AM
To: Art Snapper
Cc: kd8...@aol.com ; 160
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P 160m run

They had huge signal on 160M here in W3 last night.

On 80M... my unconfirmed suspicion is that they have one ?Battle Creek
Special? and maybe one ?lowband receive system?, and cannot activate both
160M and 80M simultaneously with the good stuff.

Right now the stats in clublog say they 120 in zone 3 on 160M, but only 23
in zone 3 on 80M.

They certainly had the good stuff on 160M last night! Their signal was
entirely comparable to that E5 activation in October on that first
exceptional morning.

Tim N3QE

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Art Snapper <a...@nk8x.net> wrote:


I was surprised how much stronger they are here on TB than on 80.

Art NK8X

ᐧ

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Mike via Topband <topband@contesting.com
>
wrote:

> What a run K5P has had on 160 the last 2 nights!  I run an inverted L
with
> the vertical portion up 65" and 90 radials of which 60 are 120'.  It's
not
> a bad Tx ant, but not so hot on Rx, and I need a bit better Wx to put up
> the  Hi-Z array I bought.  I usually hear stations in the pacific for 
> 30-

> 60
> min  before my sunrise here in the black hole of DX in southern Michigan
> and
> they are  only workable for 15-30 min.  These guys were workable for
hours
> prior to  my sunrise (worked them @ 0530 EST, 1030Z, 2.5h before 
> sunrise,

> 550
> W) and  I heard them for an hour after when most stations fade within
> minutes after  sunrise.  Impressive.
>
> Mike KD8RQE
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Re: Topband: K5P 160m run

[Mark K3MSB]

I emailed the East Coast pilot station this morning inquiring about the 80M
situation, and said I had heard that they may be having 80M TX problems.

Don was kind enough to respond, and said "It seems they do",  and that they
are receiving OK.

Lot of chomping at the bit to work them on 80M (myself included) !!

73 Mark K3MSB









On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:27 PM, George <w8...@voyager.net> wrote:

> Guys
>
> They have a BCS which is what they are using on 160.  The BCS also has 80
> m capability but that trap shorted so it isn't working on that band.
>
> But the BCS wasn't to be their main 80 m antenna, anyway.  They were gg to
> use a Steppir vertical, as I recall.  I haven't heard there is a problem
> with the latter but the 80 m sigs seem to be weaker than expected.
>
> They are a resourceful bunch of ops so I would expect plenty of 80 m
> action from some antenna.
>
> GL
>
> 73  George  W8UVZ
>
> -Original Message- From: Tim Shoppa
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:32 AM
> To: Art Snapper
> Cc: kd8...@aol.com ; 160
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P 160m run
>
>
> They had huge signal on 160M here in W3 last night.
>
> On 80M... my unconfirmed suspicion is that they have one ?Battle Creek
> Special? and maybe one ?lowband receive system?, and cannot activate both
> 160M and 80M simultaneously with the good stuff.
>
> Right now the stats in clublog say they 120 in zone 3 on 160M, but only 23
> in zone 3 on 80M.
>
> They certainly had the good stuff on 160M last night! Their signal was
> entirely comparable to that E5 activation in October on that first
> exceptional morning.
>
> Tim N3QE
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Art Snapper <a...@nk8x.net> wrote:
>
> I was surprised how much stronger they are here on TB than on 80.
>>
>> Art NK8X
>>
>> ᐧ
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Mike via Topband <
>> topband@contesting.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > What a run K5P has had on 160 the last 2 nights!  I run an inverted L
>> with
>> > the vertical portion up 65" and 90 radials of which 60 are 120'.  It's
>> not
>> > a bad Tx ant, but not so hot on Rx, and I need a bit better Wx to put up
>> > the  Hi-Z array I bought.  I usually hear stations in the pacific for >
>> 30-
>> > 60
>> > min  before my sunrise here in the black hole of DX in southern Michigan
>> > and
>> > they are  only workable for 15-30 min.  These guys were workable for
>> hours
>> > prior to  my sunrise (worked them @ 0530 EST, 1030Z, 2.5h before >
>> sunrise,
>> > 550
>> > W) and  I heard them for an hour after when most stations fade within
>> > minutes after  sunrise.  Impressive.
>> >
>> > Mike KD8RQE
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Re: Topband: K5P in Zone 14

[James C. Hall, MD]

K5P was very loud last night and I had just thrown a 500' BOG down yesterday 
afternoon. Craig K9CT was at the key. I'm in NW TN, about 30 miles East of MS 
River.

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 16, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Roger D Johnson  wrote:
> 
> According to Clublog's Leaderboard stations east of the Mississippi are 
> almost nil.
> 
> 73, Roger
> 
> 
>> On 1/16/2016 12:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On Sat,1/16/2016 9:31 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>>> The propagation gods are not favouring us at all.   K5P is a hard
>>> reach on most bands and once you go away from 17 through 40 meters there are
>>> literally only about five QSOs total on the other bands.
>> 
>> Now you know what life can be like in W6 with expeditions that are in the 
>> back yard of EU. :)
>> 
>> The island K5P is a protected wild life refuge, and access is quite 
>> restricted, even to the extent of the size of aircraft they could land on 
>> the island. That caused them to decide to travel light, including antennas. 
>> Rigs are K3s with KPA500s, HF antennas are SteppIR verticals. The 160 
>> antenna is a Battle Creek special, and I suspect they have run some 
>> Beverages. BTW -- that aircraft got even smaller a day or so before they 
>> took off, causing them to trim the team by several men.
>> 
>> Here in NorCal, we're only 3400 miles from them over water. Sigs are great 
>> on 160M, not great on the HF bands. 160M is a lot louder than 80M. I managed 
>> to work them yesterday on 10 and 12 CW, but I had to wait several hours for 
>> them to get from "vapor" to 229 to call them (and be able to copy my call), 
>> and they never got louder than that 229.
>> 
>> I know about half the team, and I know they are dedicated to putting unique 
>> calls in the log, and are favoring EU as much as they can when they think 
>> there's an opening. On one of their first nights on 30M calling EU, there 
>> were EU spots saying that 10115 had bad QRM, please go to 10116. I emailed 
>> one of the guys, and the next day they were on a different frequency.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P in Zone 14

[James C. Hall, MD]

Hi Lloyd:

Normally, I have reversible Beverages deployed but this year I decided to
purchase a shared apex loop (SAL) from Array Solutions. Unfortunately, due
to work, poor wx, and recent illness, I have been unable to deploy it. So
yesterday was a relatively warm day and the light rain had moved east - I
decided to just lay 500 feet of insulated wire (I purchased at Lowe's)
running SW and just jam the end into the Beverage connector outside (an F
connector). Inside at the station, I have an ICE preamp (also preamps in the
K3 which were unnecessary) and that was it. Nothing fancy. It works quite
well on 80M but sometimes the 4-square verticals do better. 

I was pleasantly surprised to hear K5P just booming in last night and it was
a one call deal and in the log. Hopefully I'll hear them on 80M and I can
compare better. This morning when I checked (about an hour before SR), he
was still loud and clear on 160M.

To be clear, the BOG is just a throw it on the ground, last minute antenna
for me. I think you could use more length on your antenna. 

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd - N9LB [mailto:lloydb...@charter.net] 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 2:06 PM
To: 'James C. Hall, MD'
Subject: RE: Topband: K5P in Zone 14

Hello James!

I see you have a 500 foot bog, I need some advice.

I put down a 200 foot BOG for 80m & 160m.  Seems to work well on 80 but
virtually no directionality on 160m.  I was told that performance would drop
dramatically on both 80 and 160 if I went over 200 feet in length.

I do have a ground rod already in the earth 300  feet beyond the starting
point of my bog, but it won't be fun relocating things, but if it would
improve 160m ( even at the cost of 80m) I'd make the effort this winter.

Please tell me about your 500 foot BOG.

73

Lloyd - N9LB


-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of James C.
Hall, MD
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:35 PM
To: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P in Zone 14

K5P was very loud last night and I had just thrown a 500' BOG down yesterday
afternoon. Craig K9CT was at the key. I'm in NW TN, about 30 miles East of
MS River.

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 16, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> According to Clublog's Leaderboard stations east of the Mississippi 
> are
almost nil.
> 
> 73, Roger
> 
> 
>> On 1/16/2016 12:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On Sat,1/16/2016 9:31 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>>> The propagation gods are not favouring us at all.   K5P is a hard
>>> reach on most bands and once you go away from 17 through 40 meters 
>>> there are literally only about five QSOs total on the other bands.
>> 
>> Now you know what life can be like in W6 with expeditions that are in 
>> the back yard of EU. :)
>> 
>> The island K5P is a protected wild life refuge, and access is quite
restricted, even to the extent of the size of aircraft they could land on
the island. That caused them to decide to travel light, including antennas.
Rigs are K3s with KPA500s, HF antennas are SteppIR verticals. The 160
antenna is a Battle Creek special, and I suspect they have run some
Beverages. BTW -- that aircraft got even smaller a day or so before they
took off, causing them to trim the team by several men.
>> 
>> Here in NorCal, we're only 3400 miles from them over water. Sigs are
great on 160M, not great on the HF bands. 160M is a lot louder than 80M. I
managed to work them yesterday on 10 and 12 CW, but I had to wait several
hours for them to get from "vapor" to 229 to call them (and be able to copy
my call), and they never got louder than that 229.
>> 
>> I know about half the team, and I know they are dedicated to putting
unique calls in the log, and are favoring EU as much as they can when they
think there's an opening. On one of their first nights on 30M calling EU,
there were EU spots saying that 10115 had bad QRM, please go to 10116. I
emailed one of the guys, and the next day they were on a different
frequency.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P in Zone 14

[Jim Brown]

On Sat,1/16/2016 10:48 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote:

Yesterday to my big surprise I could copy K5P on 160m for
about 30 minutes, seemed to peak around 1445Z. They where
as strong as 559 on the peaks with deep QSB. I never ever
was thinking it was possible to even hear them the way
160m is these days. 
1445Z is good propagation to western NA (west coast sunrise), so they 
were probably listening there. If they knew there was propagation to EU, 
they would probably have listened there instead. Let your pilot know.



Big problem also was that the K5P operator never did announce
the RX frequency, he seemed to listen both up and down.
I am sorry but this is a very bad way of operating. 


They are very close to JA. JA can TX 1810 to 1825. K5P TX is 1825.5. 
They listen DOWN for JA, UP for everyone else.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Art Snapper]

Perhaps they are using RHRJust Kidding!

Art NK8X

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Carl Braun 
wrote:

> At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on Topband.
> Maybe someone found the ON button for the amp?
>
> Carl AG6X
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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Tim Shoppa]

Heard very well here in MD from 1120Z-1220Z on my west-facing pennant, deep
fade at my sunrise to ESP. Working mostly JA's but trying for NA. (Although
at least once K5P called for EU!)

Tim N3QE

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Carl Braun 
wrote:

> At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on Topband.
> Maybe someone found the ON button for the amp?
>
> Carl AG6X
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Topband: K5P signal strength

[Carl Braun]

At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on Topband.  Maybe 
someone found the ON button for the amp?

Carl AG6X
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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Les Kalmus]

Apparently, they had problems tuning the Battle Creek Special and were 
using a SteppIR vertical the first day.

That's been fixed and was what they were using today.

It's bad enough they were working JA's during this morning's opening but 
I heard them call EU too and was shaking my head.


Les W2LK


On 1/15/2016 7:23 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote:

Heard very well here in MD from 1120Z-1220Z on my west-facing pennant, deep
fade at my sunrise to ESP. Working mostly JA's but trying for NA. (Although
at least once K5P called for EU!)

Tim N3QE

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Carl Braun 
wrote:


At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on Topband.
Maybe someone found the ON button for the amp?

Carl AG6X
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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Herbert Schoenbohm]

I called K5P for four hours on 160 while at the same time nearby KH6AT 
was reporting my signal was 589 in Hawaii and even FW8JJ spotted me in 
the pile up.  They were up to 579 most of the time and stead.  Before I 
tear my antenna apart I hope my problem was that their RX antenna for 
160 has a deep null in my direction.  I even called on the exact 
frequency of station they just work many times only to get a CQ in my 
face.  I have a 1/4 top loaded vertical and an Alpha 87A which should 
conceivably be able to do better. But for some reason they could easily 
work NA stations with a low dipole or a bent inverted L all across the 
country.


Very strange.


Herb

On 1/15/2016 10:11 AM, Les Kalmus wrote:
Apparently, they had problems tuning the Battle Creek Special and were 
using a SteppIR vertical the first day.

That's been fixed and was what they were using today.

It's bad enough they were working JA's during this morning's opening 
but I heard them call EU too and was shaking my head.


Les W2LK


On 1/15/2016 7:23 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
Heard very well here in MD from 1120Z-1220Z on my west-facing 
pennant, deep
fade at my sunrise to ESP. Working mostly JA's but trying for NA. 
(Although

at least once K5P called for EU!)

Tim N3QE

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Carl Braun 
wrote:

At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on 
Topband.

Maybe someone found the ON button for the amp?

Carl AG6X
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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Tim Shoppa]

Les, I am 100% sure, when they called for EU, that it was not intentional.
I betcha they thought that function key did "CQ NA".

I think they were doing a decent job working NA until JA sunset. Might be a
clue for what hours I should try in coming week.

Tim N3QE

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Les Kalmus  wrote:

> Apparently, they had problems tuning the Battle Creek Special and were
> using a SteppIR vertical the first day.
> That's been fixed and was what they were using today.
>
> It's bad enough they were working JA's during this morning's opening but I
> heard them call EU too and was shaking my head.
>
> Les W2LK
>
>
>
> On 1/15/2016 7:23 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
>
>> Heard very well here in MD from 1120Z-1220Z on my west-facing pennant,
>> deep
>> fade at my sunrise to ESP. Working mostly JA's but trying for NA.
>> (Although
>> at least once K5P called for EU!)
>>
>> Tim N3QE
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Carl Braun 
>> wrote:
>>
>> At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on Topband.
>>> Maybe someone found the ON button for the amp?
>>>
>>> Carl AG6X
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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Carl Braun]

K5P announced QRX at 1513...20 minutes after my local SR.  Very stron when QRX 
and being reported by other west coast stations.

Now at 1517 still no return with no stations calling.  Maybe a Latte break.

Carl AG6X

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K4SAV
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:13 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

K5P had a big signal around 0900Z this morning.  We had thunderstorms and the 
bands were very noisy but he came in over the top of that.  He faded a little 
later on but still good copy.  I worked him at 0800Z up 1 with no pile to bust. 
 The piles have been large close to sunrise but at 2AM local time it was first 
call, no waiting. He was listening UP during the very early morning hours but a 
little later switched to listening DOWN.

The first day his signal was weak but very persistent.  Copy was OK even though 
he was weak, and I could copy him up to 1 hour after sunrise.  
That's very unusual here.  The piles were huge as you know.

The first day he was on 1826.5 listening UP and working mostly NA but he also 
worked a bunch of JAs.  I was wondering how he did that but now maybe I have a 
clue.

Jerry, K4SAV


On 1/15/2016 8:11 AM, Les Kalmus wrote:
> Apparently, they had problems tuning the Battle Creek Special and were 
> using a SteppIR vertical the first day.
> That's been fixed and was what they were using today.
>
> It's bad enough they were working JA's during this morning's opening 
> but I heard them call EU too and was shaking my head.
>
> Les W2LK
>
>
> On 1/15/2016 7:23 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
>> Heard very well here in MD from 1120Z-1220Z on my west-facing 
>> pennant, deep fade at my sunrise to ESP. Working mostly JA's but 
>> trying for NA.
>> (Although
>> at least once K5P called for EU!)
>>
>> Tim N3QE
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Carl Braun 
>> <carl.br...@lairdtech.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on 
>>> Topband.
>>> Maybe someone found the ON button for the amp?
>>>
>>> Carl AG6X
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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[K4SAV]

K5P had a big signal around 0900Z this morning.  We had thunderstorms 
and the bands were very noisy but he came in over the top of that.  He 
faded a little later on but still good copy.  I worked him at 0800Z up 1 
with no pile to bust.  The piles have been large close to sunrise but at 
2AM local time it was first call, no waiting. He was listening UP during 
the very early morning hours but a little later switched to listening DOWN.


The first day his signal was weak but very persistent.  Copy was OK even 
though he was weak, and I could copy him up to 1 hour after sunrise.  
That's very unusual here.  The piles were huge as you know.


The first day he was on 1826.5 listening UP and working mostly NA but he 
also worked a bunch of JAs.  I was wondering how he did that but now 
maybe I have a clue.


Jerry, K4SAV


On 1/15/2016 8:11 AM, Les Kalmus wrote:
Apparently, they had problems tuning the Battle Creek Special and were 
using a SteppIR vertical the first day.

That's been fixed and was what they were using today.

It's bad enough they were working JA's during this morning's opening 
but I heard them call EU too and was shaking my head.


Les W2LK


On 1/15/2016 7:23 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
Heard very well here in MD from 1120Z-1220Z on my west-facing 
pennant, deep
fade at my sunrise to ESP. Working mostly JA's but trying for NA. 
(Although

at least once K5P called for EU!)

Tim N3QE

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Carl Braun 
wrote:

At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on 
Topband.

Maybe someone found the ON button for the amp?

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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Jim Brown]

On Fri,1/15/2016 6:11 AM, Les Kalmus wrote:
It's bad enough they were working JA's during this morning's opening 


As promised, they were on at their sunset (around 0800Z) with a great 
signal, a fine op, and hearing well. There was an instant pileup, and I 
heard them working those with better stations east of the Mississippi. 
From my QTH near San Francisco, I worked them with 5W. That path is 
roughly like W1 to western EU.


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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Jim Brown]

On Fri,1/15/2016 6:20 AM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
Before I tear my antenna apart I hope my problem was that their RX 
antenna for 160 has a deep null in my direction. 


Herb,

My 160M antennas are comparable to yours. There are MANY times over the 
years when you've been more than 10 dB above my noise but you couldn't 
hear repeated calls with my 1,500W amp turned on.


A post on one of the DX sites noted that they have been surprised by the 
level of equatorial QRN. Perhaps that could be part of the problem.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Bill Breeden]

K5P was solid copy here on the Mississippi Gulf Coast last night when I 
worked them at 0627z.  Was running 500 watts from a K3 and KPA500 to an 
inverted "L" working against a single counterpoise raised about chest 
high on garden stakes.  Was listening on a Pixel RF-PRO-1B to reduce the 
static crashes from an approaching thunderstorm.


73,

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Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

[Milt]

K5P just came back from his QRX.

He is VERY GOOD COPY, 529, at 1535 Z, here at Virden, NM. in DM52.

The RX is an Elecraft K3 and the RX antenna is a 900' long 2-wire Beverage.

This is one hour and 15 minutes after local sunrise.  I last heard him at 
1525 Z two mornings ago.  So, today the TX antenna is better, OR the 
propagation is better.


The transmit antenna is working very well, and propagation is fairly good 
this AM.


Earlier I was listening on the 2nd RX to the JA stations he was working. 
Most of them were in the range of 429.


BUT, I also hear MANY, MANY NA stations calling after K5P CQs which are NOT 
heard by K5P.


Good luck to all in the quest to put K5P in the log on Top Band.

K5P is now fading into the ether at 1538.

73 de Milt, N5IA


-Original Message- 
From: Carl Braun

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:16 AM
To: K4SAV ; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

K5P announced QRX at 1513...20 minutes after my local SR.  Very stron when 
QRX and being reported by other west coast stations.


Now at 1517 still no return with no stations calling.  Maybe a Latte break.

Carl AG6X

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of K4SAV
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:13 AM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P signal strength

K5P had a big signal around 0900Z this morning.  We had thunderstorms and 
the bands were very noisy but he came in over the top of that.  He faded a 
little later on but still good copy.  I worked him at 0800Z up 1 with no 
pile to bust.  The piles have been large close to sunrise but at 2AM local 
time it was first call, no waiting. He was listening UP during the very 
early morning hours but a little later switched to listening DOWN.


The first day his signal was weak but very persistent.  Copy was OK even 
though he was weak, and I could copy him up to 1 hour after sunrise.

That's very unusual here.  The piles were huge as you know.

The first day he was on 1826.5 listening UP and working mostly NA but he 
also worked a bunch of JAs.  I was wondering how he did that but now maybe I 
have a clue.


Jerry, K4SAV


On 1/15/2016 8:11 AM, Les Kalmus wrote:

Apparently, they had problems tuning the Battle Creek Special and were
using a SteppIR vertical the first day.
That's been fixed and was what they were using today.

It's bad enough they were working JA's during this morning's opening
but I heard them call EU too and was shaking my head.

Les W2LK


On 1/15/2016 7:23 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote:

Heard very well here in MD from 1120Z-1220Z on my west-facing
pennant, deep fade at my sunrise to ESP. Working mostly JA's but
trying for NA.
(Although
at least once K5P called for EU!)

Tim N3QE

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Carl Braun
<carl.br...@lairdtech.com>
wrote:


At 1040z here in so cal the K5P station went from NIL to 599 on
Topband.
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Topband: K5P signal strength

[Clive GM3POI]

And what should they be working, in the hour before Western EU SR,  JA No,
USA No.  Give us a break, or do I have to break yet another USA pile up for
a new one.  Just because an area of the World is audible does not mean they
should be worked all the time. Some areas will be there a long time whilst
EU will get a bare few hours at best.  73 Clive GM3POI

 

 

On Fri,1/15/2016 6:11 AM, Les Kalmus wrote:

> It's bad enough they were working JA's during this morning's opening

 

As promised, they were on at their sunset (around 0800Z) with a great
signal, a fine op, and hearing well. There was an instant pileup, and I
heard them working those with better stations east of the Mississippi. 

 From my QTH near San Francisco, I worked them with 5W. That path is roughly
like W1 to western EU.

 

73, Jim K9YC

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Topband: K5P QRV 160

[wb6rse1]

Just noted 2336Z per K9CT on the 160 chat:

“Hello from Palmyra …..we have fixed the 160m antenna and will be on at our SS 
… GL"

Steve WB6RSE
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Re: Topband: K5P first night

[Mike Waters]

Never mind. I just found a web site that said "Palmyra *Atoll*".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Atoll
All I have to do now is find your 160m  operating schedule, which so far
escapes my searches and browsing.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Mike Waters  wrote:

> Milt, are you on a DXpedition operating from Palmyra in Syria?! Of all the
> places!
>
> I should switch my antenna back to 160m and see if we can work you.
>
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Re: Topband: K5P first night

[Carl Braun]

Herb and Topbanders

I, too, heard K5P on TB well after my sunrise here in San Diego...about 25 
minutes past SR.  In fact, the K5P signal on TB was better than it was on 80M.  
I witnessed some real QSB fades on 80 and saw none of that on 160. The pile up 
on 80 was also much less organized than it was on 160...token jammers and such.

FYI, on 80 I use two phased 65' verticals and 1/4 wl spacing with a comtek box 
which was phased SW at Palmyra...I use those same two verticals (in phase 
currently) with base loading for 160...basically an OMNI on 160.  I'll change 
my phasing tonight that allows me to phase wither SW or NE and usually gets me 
a db or two toward the direction of interest.  Maybe tomorrow I can offer an 
update on the signals out of K5P vs SR times for the group.

Let's all support the guys who are making the K5P DXpedition a 
success...especially for us TBers.

Regards 

Carl AG6X

-Original Message-
From: Topband [mailto:topband-boun...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Herbert 
Schoenbohm
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:36 PM
To: Mike Waters; TopBand List
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P first night

First night I heard K5P fine one a nice post S/R peak on TB 45 minutes after my 
SR.  Unfortunately the wall from the mainland was non-penetrable. I noticed 
from the prop chart that the operation doesn't see the wonderful opening I an 
other Caribbean stations would have from
9:00 to 10:00.  Even on 80 CW the ops did a great job an hour or so past my 
S/R.  I know they are concentrating on N/A and I shouldn't try to nudge them on 
an hour earlier.  But this is the constant dilemma with Pacific DX-peditions 
who watch the Sunrise-sunset charts as the boss.  I will also try the EU only 
attempts at their Sunset but the Euros have an even more difficult problem of 
only a few minute window at best.  If only they could stay on after the EU path 
is closed for a few minutes or in the alternative set the alarm clock and get 
one of the top band gurus to light up the path and forget those darn computer 
generate SR/SS charts for just a moment it would be great.

I am going again to the donation page to help a bit with the awesome expenses 
and put some money where my mouth is.


Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ

On 1/14/2016 4:08 PM, Mike Waters wrote:
> Never mind. I just found a web site that said "Palmyra *Atoll*".
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Atoll
> All I have to do now is find your 160m  operating schedule, which so far
> escapes my searches and browsing.
>
> 73, Mike
> www.w0btu.com
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Mike Waters <mikew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Milt, are you on a DXpedition operating from Palmyra in Syria?! Of all the
>> places!
>>
>> I should switch my antenna back to 160m and see if we can work you.
>>
>>
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Topband: K5P first night

[Milt]

Congratulations to all the stations who made it into the log; a lot of them.

To my knowledge the first ten into the log, in order,  were...

N5IA
N7GP
K7ZV
WA7LNW
N6TR
N6RW
VE5UA
AA6RR
N7DD
KJ6P

I made a 2-channel recording of the entire first night of the K5P operation on 
160 Meters.

My setup was as follows.

Left channel from a reciver listening with the 8-Circle TX antenna to 1.827.5 
set at 2.5 kHz bandwidth.  The 8-Circle was oriented due west.

Right channel from a receiver listening with the 245 degree, 1 WL Beverage, to 
the K5P frequency of 1.826.5.  The bandwidth was set at 2.5 kHz.

There is only one hole (~ 10 Minutes) in the entire night of recording when I 
saved the file and started a new one at approximately 1155 Z, prior to leaving 
home for the day.

When examining the recording this morning, the last time I hear K5P is at ~1525 
Z.  This is a full hour after sunrise here in DM52.  K5P completes a Q with 
JA2ONB and after one more CQ sequence, I never hear his signal again.

The signal from K5P was Q-5 from the time he called me when he came on the air 
at 0521 Z, until he faded away at 1525 Z.  That is a full 10 hours of solid 
copy.  Amazing.  A real good job on the expedition’s end.

If you made a Q with K5P during this time period, and think you may have been 
heard at my location within the RX frequency and bandwidth I had set, plus 
being heard off the rear or side of the 8-Circle, send me the time stamp of 
your logged Q and I will attempt to find your call along with K5P’s response.  
If I can find it, I will extract the audio clip and send it to you in MP3 
format.  Send the request to me direct, off list.

73, and good luck to those who didn’t make it the first night.

de Milt, N5IA


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Re: Topband: K5P first night

[Herbert Schoenbohm]

First night I heard K5P fine one a nice post S/R peak on TB 45 minutes 
after my SR.  Unfortunately the wall from the mainland was 
non-penetrable. I noticed from the prop chart that the operation doesn't 
see the wonderful opening I an other Caribbean stations would have from 
9:00 to 10:00.  Even on 80 CW the ops did a great job an hour or so past 
my S/R.  I know they are concentrating on N/A and I shouldn't try to 
nudge them on an hour earlier.  But this is the constant dilemma with 
Pacific DX-peditions who watch the Sunrise-sunset charts as the boss.  I 
will also try the EU only attempts at their Sunset but the Euros have an 
even more difficult problem of only a few minute window at best.  If 
only they could stay on after the EU path is closed for a few minutes or 
in the alternative set the alarm clock and get one of the top band gurus 
to light up the path and forget those darn computer generate SR/SS 
charts for just a moment it would be great.


I am going again to the donation page to help a bit with the awesome 
expenses and put some money where my mouth is.



Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ

On 1/14/2016 4:08 PM, Mike Waters wrote:

Never mind. I just found a web site that said "Palmyra *Atoll*".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Atoll
All I have to do now is find your 160m  operating schedule, which so far
escapes my searches and browsing.

73, Mike
www.w0btu.com

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Mike Waters  wrote:


Milt, are you on a DXpedition operating from Palmyra in Syria?! Of all the
places!

I should switch my antenna back to 160m and see if we can work you.



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Re: Topband: K5P first night

[Mike Waters]

Milt, are you on a DXpedition operating from Palmyra in Syria?! Of all the
places!

I should switch my antenna back to 160m and see if we can work you.

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Topband: K5P

[Chortek, Robert L.]

Good Day All!


Does anyone know if K5P will be qrv on 160?  I can't find any information on 
their website.


Thanks,


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Re: Topband: K5P

[Art Snapper]

Another ham mentioned to me that they were setting up their Battle Creek
Special today. That's a good sign.

73
Art NK8X
ᐧ

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Chortek, Robert L. <
robert.chor...@berliner.com> wrote:

> Good Day All!
>
>
> Does anyone know if K5P will be qrv on 160?  I can't find any information
> on their website.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Bob/AA6VB
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Re: Topband: K5P

[Herbert Schoenbohm]

With Jerry WB9Z and other 160 regulars i would guess they are setting up 
the antenna right now at the crack of dawn.



Herb, KV4FZ

On 1/12/2016 1:47 PM, Chortek, Robert L. wrote:

Good Day All!


Does anyone know if K5P will be qrv on 160?  I can't find any information on 
their website.


Thanks,


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