Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Wayne Kline]

I finally  bite and responded... 
 
My .02  ... IMO  and we all have one and they all don't agree  and  
things start spiraling out of control  FAST
 
IT's one thing to state an Opinion but if the Opinion takes on a tone of 
personal   attacks ...   HU
 
Have no place on a message boardPERIOUD 
 
 Back to my hole. 
 
 Wayne W3EA 
 
PS  no K5P this  am the 20th in EPA 

 
> From: g...@ka1j.com
> To: Topband@contesting.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 23:21:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
> 
> I agree and if that happens to me, then it's my stupidity that got me 
> there.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
> > For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of bad 
> > behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.  
> > There is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't behave 
> > like "gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be banned.  
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Bob/AA6VB
> > 
> > 
> > From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff 
> > <chac...@cableone.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
> > To: g...@ka1j.com
> > Cc: Topband@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
> > 
> > Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I 
> > expect the same here.
> > 
> > There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I 
> > would imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant 
> > (as are mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without 
> > Tom to focus their hate upon.
> > 
> > And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value 
> > with his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical 
> > state of the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.
> > 
> > But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and 
> > the group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the 
> > crap and move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)
> > 
> > I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should 
> > be banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought 
> > over someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to 
> > be solved here and only causes damage and pain.
> > 
> > I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty 
> > box with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second 
> > offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck 
> > (inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.
> > 
> > Cecil
> > K5DL
> > 
> > 
> > Sent using recycled electrons.
> > 
> > On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> > >> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> > >>
> > >> 73
> > >> Joe VO1NA
> > >
> > > As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham
> > > Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are
> > > available no more, what is left?
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Gary
> > > KA1J
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> 
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Don Lynch]

Pleasantly surprised to be able to snag K5P on 160 meters this morning.
Conditions were marginal but improving when I worked him.  QSO confirmed on
Club Log within 2 hours.  What a super operation!

The operator was K9CT - a superb operator with excellent ears.

Vy 73,

Don W4ZYT
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On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Tree <t...@kkn.net> wrote:

> I'll say a little about this subject - and then hope we can just focus on
> K5P and VP8STI posts.
>
> 1. I will continue to try and not approve each and every post.  It slows
> things way down.
>
> 2. I ask everyone to be a bit more selective in what they post.  Compose
> your message - does it really move the discussion forward - or is it just a
> me too post.  Is it really relevant to Topband?
>
> 3. Remove anything that suggests someone is wrong.  Try to frame it in a
> more positive way.  "You are wrong" doesn't work so well.  "Here is what I
> think and my experience" works so much better.
>
> 4. There are always a small number of people who cause problems - both on
> the air and here on the list.  Probably the people causing the issues on
> the air are not reading this list.
>
> 5. If you ever aren't sure if a posting is appropriate - or if you see one
> that you don't think is appropriate - then you can contact me.
>
> 6. W8JI doesn't make or break this reflector.  He is a great resource - and
> I am sorry that things got under his skin.
>
> 7. There is nothing wrong with only looking at posts with a web browser or
> getting the digest version.  If you feel you need to read each message
> right when it comes out - and respond to them right away - you might
> re-think your priorities.
>
> THANKS!
>
> Tree N6TR/XE1
> Guadalaraja, Mexico
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:24 AM, Chortek, Robert L. <
> robert.chor...@berliner.com> wrote:
>
> > For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of
> bad
> > behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.
> > There is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't
> behave
> > like "gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be
> banned.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Bob/AA6VB
> >
> > ________________
> > From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff
> <
> > chac...@cableone.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
> > To: g...@ka1j.com
> > Cc: Topband@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
> >
> > Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I
> > expect the same here.
> >
> > There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I
> > would imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are
> insignificant
> > (as are mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without
> > Tom to focus their hate upon.
> >
> > And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great
> value
> > with his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the
> technical
> > state of the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.
> >
> > But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and
> > the group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the
> > crap and move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)
> >
> > I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should
> > be banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought
> > over someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to
> > be solved here and only causes damage and pain.
> >
> > I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty
> > box with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second
> > offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a
> buck
> > (inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.
> >
> > Cecil
> > K5DL
> >
> >
> > Sent using recycled electrons.
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> > >> rank his su

Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[jon jones]

K5P was surprisingly solid on 1.821.5 with just a wire attached to one of the 
rain gutter downspouts this morning in eastern KS around local sunrise.  
Motivated me to put up a wire inverted L today, will see what tomorrow brings.
 - N0JK


> They had great sigs this AM.  Heard Jack VE1ZZ work them around 1025 utc
> after I shovelled the driveway in the dawn.
> 
> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA

  
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Gary Smith]

I agree and if that happens to me, then it's my stupidity that got me 
there.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of bad 
> behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.  
> There is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't behave 
> like "gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be banned.  
> 
> 73,
> 
> Bob/AA6VB
> 
> 
> From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff 
> <chac...@cableone.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: g...@ka1j.com
> Cc: Topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
> 
> Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I 
> expect the same here.
> 
> There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I would 
> imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant (as are 
> mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without Tom to 
> focus their hate upon.
> 
> And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value 
> with his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical 
> state of the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.
> 
> But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and the 
> group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the crap and 
> move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)
> 
> I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should be 
> banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought over 
> someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to be 
> solved here and only causes damage and pain.
> 
> I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty box 
> with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second 
> offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck 
> (inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.
> 
> Cecil
> K5DL
> 
> 
> Sent using recycled electrons.
> 
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
> 
> >> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> >> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Joe VO1NA
> >
> > As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham
> > Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are
> > available no more, what is left?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Gary Smith]

> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA

As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham 
Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are 
available no more, what is left?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[jcraig]

Congtats Mike.

They had great sigs this AM.  Heard Jack VE1ZZ work them around 1025 utc
after I shovelled the driveway in the dawn.

Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.

73
Joe VO1NA


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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Cecil Acuff]

Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I expect 
the same here.

There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I would 
imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant (as are 
mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without Tom to focus 
their hate upon.

And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value with 
his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical state of 
the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.

But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and the 
group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the crap and 
move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)

I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should be 
banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought over 
someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to be solved 
here and only causes damage and pain.

I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty box 
with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second 
offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck 
(inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.

Cecil
K5DL


Sent using recycled electrons.

On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith  wrote:

>> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
>> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
>> 
>> 73
>> Joe VO1NA
> 
> As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham 
> Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are 
> available no more, what is left?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Chortek, Robert L.]

For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of bad 
behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.  There 
is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't behave like 
"gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be banned.  

73,

Bob/AA6VB


From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff 
<chac...@cableone.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
To: g...@ka1j.com
Cc: Topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I expect 
the same here.

There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I would 
imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant (as are 
mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without Tom to focus 
their hate upon.

And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value with 
his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical state of 
the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.

But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and the 
group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the crap and 
move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)

I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should be 
banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought over 
someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to be solved 
here and only causes damage and pain.

I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty box 
with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second 
offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck 
(inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.

Cecil
K5DL


Sent using recycled electrons.

On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:

>> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
>> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
>>
>> 73
>> Joe VO1NA
>
> As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham
> Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are
> available no more, what is left?
>
> 73,
>
> Gary
> KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[GALE STEWARD via Topband]

They had a great signal on 160 this AM. Worked at 1145Z here in SE PA.
There was a nice SR peak here on 80M also. Worked at 1228Z.
Stew K3ND
 

 
   
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Tree]

I'll say a little about this subject - and then hope we can just focus on
K5P and VP8STI posts.

1. I will continue to try and not approve each and every post.  It slows
things way down.

2. I ask everyone to be a bit more selective in what they post.  Compose
your message - does it really move the discussion forward - or is it just a
me too post.  Is it really relevant to Topband?

3. Remove anything that suggests someone is wrong.  Try to frame it in a
more positive way.  "You are wrong" doesn't work so well.  "Here is what I
think and my experience" works so much better.

4. There are always a small number of people who cause problems - both on
the air and here on the list.  Probably the people causing the issues on
the air are not reading this list.

5. If you ever aren't sure if a posting is appropriate - or if you see one
that you don't think is appropriate - then you can contact me.

6. W8JI doesn't make or break this reflector.  He is a great resource - and
I am sorry that things got under his skin.

7. There is nothing wrong with only looking at posts with a web browser or
getting the digest version.  If you feel you need to read each message
right when it comes out - and respond to them right away - you might
re-think your priorities.

THANKS!

Tree N6TR/XE1
Guadalaraja, Mexico

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:24 AM, Chortek, Robert L. <
robert.chor...@berliner.com> wrote:

> For what it's worth, I would be in favor of a little less tolerance of bad
> behavior. I'm talking about folks who repeatedly make personal attacks.
> There is a point at which it should not be tolerated. If folks can't behave
> like "gentlemen" on the Gentlemen's Band Reflector" they should be banned.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob/AA6VB
>
> 
> From: Topband <topband-boun...@contesting.com> on behalf of Cecil Acuff <
> chac...@cableone.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: g...@ka1j.com
> Cc: Topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
> Hate to say it but when he left the Amps group he never looked back...I
> expect the same here.
>
> There is a dedicated group of haters here...small but they are here.  I
> would imagine their contributions to the group otherwise are insignificant
> (as are mine) and will now probably find little joy in being here without
> Tom to focus their hate upon.
>
> And no I'm not a Tom groupie or cheerleader.  But he did bring great value
> with his accurate technical insight and interest in advancing the technical
> state of the art of 160/80m antennas and radio sport in general.
>
> But he's not the only brain on this group...there are several others and
> the group will go on in one form or another until they get tired of the
> crap and move on as well. (Some no doubt may have already exited quietly)
>
> I personally think discussion of RHR or any commercial look a like should
> be banned from this groupstrictly!  It's a toxic subject best fought
> over someplace else.  As has already been demonstrated, it's not going to
> be solved here and only causes damage and pain.
>
> I'm not driving the bus but if I were it would be straight to the penalty
> box with you if you brought it up or participated in it...second
> offense..ejectionbut that's just my personal opinion...that and a buck
> (inflation) will get you a cheap cup of coffee or maybe a QSL direct.
>
> Cecil
> K5DL
>
>
> Sent using recycled electrons.
>
> On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Gary Smith <g...@ka1j.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hoping to see more posts from W8JI.  I'm not remotely qualified to
> >> rank his substantial expertise and contributions to this group.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Joe VO1NA
> >
> > As am I. Tom leaving will be part of the end of learning about Ham
> > Radio as I've always known it to be. When the knowledge bases are
> > available no more, what is left?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[mstangelo]

When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them.

You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad feelings.

If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to 
person. Be diplomatic.

Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing 
something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention that 
other listeners have noted the fact. 

If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting or 
DX'ing forum such as this

I find it is better to show them the way.

Mike N2MS 



- Original Message -
From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 01:54:50 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.

When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are 
unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Hank Garretson]

Good advice. I suggest taking it a step farther.

It is the rare ham who takes criticism, even constructive, well. So,...

Privately suggest to them how doing it differently will increase their fun,
will increase their chances of making the QSO. Suggest listening a bit.
Suggest timing. Etcetera. Help them be better and use the carrot of better
results and more fun.

Ham Exuberantly,

Hank, W6SX



On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:00 AM,  wrote:

>
> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
> them.
>
> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
> feelings.
>
> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to
> person. Be diplomatic.
>
> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>
> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>
> I find it is better to show them the way.
>
> Mike N2MS
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Roger D Johnson]

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more 
times you

send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.

I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on 
top of
someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about 
them!


73, Roger


On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:


When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them.

You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad feelings.

If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to 
person. Be diplomatic.

Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing 
something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention that 
other listeners have noted the fact.

If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting or 
DX'ing forum such as this

I find it is better to show them the way.

Mike N2MS





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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Doug Renwick]

Reminds me of our 'catch and release' justice? system.

Doug/VE5RA

I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.

-Original Message-

Good advice. I suggest taking it a step farther.

It is the rare ham who takes criticism, even constructive, well. So,...

Privately suggest to them how doing it differently will increase their fun,
will increase their chances of making the QSO. Suggest listening a bit.
Suggest timing. Etcetera. Help them be better and use the carrot of better
results and more fun.

Ham Exuberantly,

Hank, W6SX



On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 7:00 AM,  wrote:

>
> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
> them.
>
> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
> feelings.
>
> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to
> person. Be diplomatic.
>
> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>
> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>
> I find it is better to show them the way.
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Doug Renwick]

Good point.  I use that same technique when the callers get out of sync.
What appears to be lids are actually folks who are out of sync.  I gave the
callsign twice on 160 phone from Clipperton to keep things under control.
I will admit that I have used the continuous calling technique when the DX
station was listening randomly without any pattern (i.e. crap shoot).  Also
I will call when I believe the DX has busted my call, which happens too
often.

Doug/VE5RA

I wasn't born in Saskatchewan, but I got here as soon as I could.

-Original Message-

I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling
(I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but
thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some
light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete
solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes
deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc).

As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest
cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out
of the pile up 2 times.  My best guess was that operators that have longer
calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't
hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still
sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync
(they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick
out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to
start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.).  I
would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the
problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts),
I would implement this technique with great success.

I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls
two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the
results are normally very impressive.  This technique is not often
discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might
think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful
(and often the most efficient method).

Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year.

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson 
wrote:

> The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.
>
> I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're
> calling on top of
> someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all
> about them!
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
>> them.
>>
>> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
>> feelings.
>>
>> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person
>> to person. Be diplomatic.
>>
>> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
>> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
>> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>>
>> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
>> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>>
>> I find it is better to show them the way.
>>
>> Mike N2MS
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

That's correct, and the ones who do it know it.  It's a real nasty way to "tail 
end". "Tail ending" is nothing new and has been proven also as a tactic.  
Sometimes it works real good and it all depends on the Dx operator and his 
habits.  Constant calling is a combination of tail ending and what ever other 
purpose it serves on getting "picked out".  When a dx station is operating 
split, it means nothing, it's only when the operation is simplex.  It seems 
that the "call area" system by the DX op's has gone by the wayside due to the 
call sign assignment, but one could still use /X if they want.  That used to 
narrow down the pile up somewhat on a simplex operation.  I suppose working 
split does away with the need for that.  There has been numerous articles 
written on the subject of increasing your odds on working a rare DX station in 
pile  ups.  As long as a DX op is constant you can usually find an MO.  

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.




-Original Message-
From: Don Kirk <wd8...@gmail.com>
To: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
Cc: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 11:39 am
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling
(I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but
thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some
light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete
solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes
deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc).

As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest
cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out
of the pile up 2 times.  My best guess was that operators that have longer
calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't
hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still
sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync
(they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick
out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to
start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.).  I
would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the
problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts),
I would implement this technique with great success.

I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls
two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the
results are normally very impressive.  This technique is not often
discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might
think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful
(and often the most efficient method).

Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year.

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.
>
> I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're
> calling on top of
> someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all
> about them!
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
>> them.
>>
>> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
>> feelings.
>>
>> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person
>> to person. Be diplomatic.
>>
>> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
>> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
>> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>>
>> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
>> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>>
>> I find it is better to show them the way.
>>
>> Mike N2MS
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Larry via Topband]

hi roger,


just what do you mean by "calling on top of someone else"? of course they are 
since a rare station creates so many callers that it is impossible to find a 
calling frequency that is clear. even if it seems clear doesn't mean that it 
actually is. there are probably tons of stations that you can't hear. for those 
who do not have the ability to "dual receive" do you expect them to check their 
TX frequency before transmitting? i would guess that you have never been on the 
DX end of the pile up.


if you want a clear frequency then try this- if the DX announces he is 
listening between 14205 and 14210 then cluster spot him listening on 14209.5. 
80% of the callers will move up which gives you the best chance when you call 
between 14205 and 14206. it's a PILE UP my friend, almost everything goes.


also, would you please include your call sign to the comments that you make. i 
am replying to roger who?


73,
larry
n7dd  

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more 
times you
send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.

I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on 
top of
someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about 
them!

73, Roger




-Original Message-
From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !

The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The more 
times you
send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.

I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're calling on 
top of
someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all about 
them!

73, Roger


On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass them.
>
> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad 
> feelings.
>
> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person to 
> person. Be diplomatic.
>
> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are doing 
> something which interferes with good operating practices and also mention 
> that other listeners have noted the fact.
>
> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a contesting 
> or DX'ing forum such as this
>
> I find it is better to show them the way.
>
> Mike N2MS
>
>
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Don Kirk]

I was holding back on posting a comment on this topic of continuous calling
(I actually typed out a response but deleted it twice yesterday) but
thought I would finally hit the send key in an attempt to should shed some
light on part of the problem as well as a partial solution (not a complete
solution as there are many different reasons for the problem which includes
deep fading, as well as just being totally clueless, desperate, etc).

As a W1AW/9 centennial station and operator (all CW), I found the biggest
cure for the problem was sending the call sign of the station I picked out
of the pile up 2 times.  My best guess was that operators that have longer
calls (like myself), and/or send slow, or run "semi break in" often don't
hear the DXpedition station respond to someone else because they are still
sending (or muted), and this gets worse when everyone gets out of sync
(they would really get out of sync from each other when I could not pick
out even a partial call the first time around and this caused stations to
start repeating their calls in hopes of being the "chosen one", etc.).  I
would not always use the "sending calls two times" technique, but when the
problem started to impact my receive capabilities (or just drove me nuts),
I would implement this technique with great success.

I've heard a few DXpedition operators on 160 meters use the "sending calls
two times" technique under certain conditions (but not often), and the
results are normally very impressive.  This technique is not often
discussed (as far as I know), and probably frowned upon by some who might
think it slows things down, but I certainly found this technique useful
(and often the most efficient method).

Just some thoughts from my end based on my experience last year.

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Roger D Johnson 
wrote:

> The big problem is that this "system" works! It's simple statistics. The
> more times you
> send your call, the better chance of the DX picking it out of a pileup.
>
> I don't think the people that do this give a rats behind if they're
> calling on top of
> someone else. They are like people who cut in line ahead of you. It's all
> about them!
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/18/2016 10:00 AM, mstang...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>
>> When someone is doing something wrong we should not "out" or embarrass
>> them.
>>
>> You should try to settle the situation offline without leaving any bad
>> feelings.
>>
>> If you know the offender you should discuss it with him (or her) person
>> to person. Be diplomatic.
>>
>> Don't lecture to them, discuss it with them. You have noticed they are
>> doing something which interferes with good operating practices and also
>> mention that other listeners have noted the fact.
>>
>> If you cannot contact the person you can mention the offense on a
>> contesting or DX'ing forum such as this
>>
>> I find it is better to show them the way.
>>
>> Mike N2MS
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

There is one particular ham who always does this and is in the top 5 in the 
challenge.

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !


There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what station
the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.

73, Roger


On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>
> What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
> was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would all
> come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> discern who he was coming back to?
>
>
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Randy Lake <randyn1...@gmail.com>
To: Louis Parascondola <gudguy...@aol.com>; topband@contesting.com 
<Topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:25 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !




Who
 is it? A little peer pressure goes a long way.Randy
 N1KWF
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Louis 
Parascondola via Topband <mailto:topband@contesting.com;>topband@contesting.com>
 wrote:
There is one particular ham 
who always does this and is in the top 5 in the challenge.



Sent from AOL Mobile Mail





-Original Message-

From: Roger D Johnson <mailto:n...@roadrunner.com;>n...@roadrunner.com>

To: topband <mailto:topband@contesting.com;>topband@contesting.com>

Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM

Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !





There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what station

the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.



73, Roger





On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:

>

> What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)

> was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would all

> come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are

> these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to

> discern who he was coming back to?

>

>

>

>

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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Roger D Johnson]

There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what station
the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.

73, Roger


On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:


What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would all
come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
discern who he was coming back to?





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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Randy Lake]

The problem is that it does not work 99% of the time and slows down and
frustrates the DX and slows down and frustrates the people trying to work
the DX. We should all start outing these problem ops. Like the VE9 said, if
it is close it is one thing but usually and most of the time it is not even
close. People talk about using the P3 to find where the DX is listening. I
have NEVER been able to use that method as 500 ops are calling out of turn !

Randy N1KWF

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Louis Parascondola <gudguy...@aol.com>
wrote:

> I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Lake <randyn1...@gmail.com>
> To: Louis Parascondola <gudguy...@aol.com>; topband@contesting.com <
> Topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> Who is it? A little peer pressure goes a long way.
> Randy N1KWF
>
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband <
> topband@contesting.com> wrote:
>
> There is one particular ham who always does this and is in the top 5 in
> the challenge.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what
> station
> the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> >
> > What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many
> decades)
> > was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
> all
> > come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> > these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> > discern who he was coming back to?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Keene,NH
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Randy Lake]

Who is it? A little peer pressure goes a long way.
Randy N1KWF

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband <
topband@contesting.com> wrote:

> There is one particular ham who always does this and is in the top 5 in
> the challenge.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what
> station
> the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> >
> > What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many
> decades)
> > was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
> all
> > come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> > these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> > discern who he was coming back to?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Topband: K5P good job!

[Kevin Stover]

Most of this can be laid at the feet of a few things.

1. People trying to work a big pile like K5P and not really being able 
to copy Morse.
They can't tell who's being called. They're relying on a computer or 
rig, in the case of the K3, to decode for them and the technology is not 
nearly as good as a trained human brain.


2. People have no clue how to run split on their rigs or they figure if 
they TX on top of the DX enough they'll get worked just to be rid of 
them. It's the nuisance factor. If it was me they'd NEVER make it in the 
log.
Yes, people do make mistakes and the brighter folks can tell when 
something is wrong and fix it. Continuously calling for half an hour on 
top of the DX or out of turn is NO mistake. Blacklist 'em!


3. Poor upbringing. This is all about them and they don't give a hoot 
about anybody else.

Another group of people who would NEVER end up in the log.

On 1/17/2016 11:40 AM, lmlangenf...@tds.net wrote:

Message: 16
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:55:36 -0400
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve...@nbnet.nb.ca>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: K5P good job !

If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't hearing
him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
only have so many days)

gah !

Mike VE9AA

**


Mike, you're quite right.  There seems to be a real epidemic of those 
constantly calling out-of-turn (COOTs??) lately, and there's no question 
Q-rates are suffering as a result of this senseless (and now seemingly 
pervasive) QRM.  There's no rational excuse for it.

Both yesterday and this morning I heard many more than a few "easy" Qs fail to 
go to completion when K5P diligently and accurately tried to reply to callers who 
responded with nothing more than relentless repetitions of their calls.  Apparently you 
did , too.

Jeepers!

73,

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Re: Topband: K5P good job!

[Larry]

If the op gives in to the pummeling then even worse chaos generally ensues. 
Of course, trying to hold out kills the rate. The op may have "heard" a call 
that really wasn't there or a station that finally just fell out of the 
propagation range.  It's a challenge to decide when to abandon a call and to 
go on.


73, Larry  W6NWS
-Original Message- 
From: lmlangenf...@tds.net

Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:40 PM
To: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job!

Message: 16
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:55:36 -0400
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve...@nbnet.nb.ca>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: K5P good job !

If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't hearing
him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
only have so many days)

gah !

Mike VE9AA

**


Mike, you're quite right.  There seems to be a real epidemic of those 
constantly calling out-of-turn (COOTs??) lately, and there's no question 
Q-rates are suffering as a result of this senseless (and now seemingly 
pervasive) QRM.  There's no rational excuse for it.


Both yesterday and this morning I heard many more than a few "easy" Qs fail 
to go to completion when K5P diligently and accurately tried to reply to 
callers who responded with nothing more than relentless repetitions of their 
calls.  Apparently you did , too.


Jeepers!

73,

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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Art Snapper]

This crazy behavior may be related to mob mentality.

73

Art NK8X
ᐧ

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Larry <lkn...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Sadly, a number of A1 Op members use this tactic and you would think they
> would know better.
>
> 73, Larry  W6NWS
>
> -Original Message- From: Louis Parascondola via Topband
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:19 PM
> To: n...@roadrunner.com ; topband@contesting.com
>
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
> There is one particular ham who always does this and is in the top 5 in
> the challenge.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger D Johnson <n...@roadrunner.com>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 04:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> There are some Top band operators that call incessantly no matter what
> station
> the DX comes back to. Of course that is not limited to 160m.
>
> 73, Roger
>
>
> On 1/17/2016 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
>
>>
>> What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many
>> decades)
>> was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
>> all
>> come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
>> these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
>> discern who he was coming back to?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:

I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.


When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are 
unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it.


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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you 
understand.

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 08:55 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !


On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.

When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are 
unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it.

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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Tree]

Guys - these types of threads are really just noise.  Let's try to improve
the quality of each and every post on this reflector.  After you have typed
a message - think about what 10 similar messages would look like on the
reflector and hit delete if the comment really does not have high value.

Thanks.

Tree N6TR

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband <
topband@contesting.com> wrote:

> The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you
> understand.
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 08:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !
>
>
> On Sun,1/17/2016 1:26 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> > I'd rather not say, I'm just citing that the ploy works.
>
> When those who observe and are able to identify bad behavior are
> unwilling to "out" the bad guys, they keep on doing it.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,1/17/2016 6:02 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:

The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you 
understand.


Of course. But there are times when we need the courage to take a stand. 
A bully is a bully.


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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Louis Parascondola via Topband]

Of course depending on the band you may not hear him, but he's on every band 
from 160 to 6 meters.  I'm not complaining and I didn't start the thread, I 
just said I knew someone that uses the ploy and it usually works as he 
generally gets in ahead of me who waits patiently.  If I don't get in se LA 
vie.  Lou W1QJ

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


-Original Message-
From: Jim Brown <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 09:29 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: K5P good job !


On Sun,1/17/2016 6:02 PM, Louis Parascondola via Topband wrote:
> The guy knows me and would probably me mad if I gave him up. I'm sure you 
> understand.

Of course. But there are times when we need the courage to take a stand. 
A bully is a bully.

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Topband: K5P good job !

[Mike Smith VE9AA]

Whoever the 160m op was this morning was doing a really great job, moving
right along at aprox 32-33wpm.  (I have to wonder if it was K9CT)

I managed to get in the log at 1155z (10mins before SR here), however there
were a few W1's and a VE1 that were worked 10-15mins before that.

 

What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would all
come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
discern who he was coming back to?  

 

Now, In full disclosure, I am no saint, and have been known to respond to a
DX stn if there's an unruly p/u I hear something like VE3A? VE3A? or 9AA?,
9AA? ,IT9A? IT9A? or VE8AU? VE8AU? or VE1AAA? VE1AAA? but all those dance
around my call (VE9AA). If there's any change "away" from my call, I stop
calling.  I also listen to my xmit QRG and if there's someone with a closer
call, I will stop calling.  Luckily, it almost always starts off with VE9?
or 9AA? so I am good 99% of the time and rarely step on anyones toes. (and
always feel bad if I do)

 

If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't hearing
him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
only have so many days)

 

gah !

 

Anyways, they were doing an incredible job despite incessant callers..some
of whom NEVER stopped calling.  They were in here solid for a good hour at
about 529-549 (no preamp on), inverted L @ 35' a mile of radials..and up to
26mins past SR here before slipping into the dust.

 

Well done Islanders ! Well done.

 

Mike VE9AA

 

Mike, Coreen & Corey

Keswick Ridge, NB

 

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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Tim Shoppa]

Mike, if you go to clublog.org, search K5P DXpedition log for your call,
and mouse over the greenie, you will see the operator for your QSO (his
call and picture). I don't think they've uploaded this morning's QSO's yet
but they are doing uploads several times a day.

W0GJ was the operator for my 160M QSO. Sharp looking guy!

Tim N3QE

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA  wrote:

> Whoever the 160m op was this morning was doing a really great job, moving
> right along at aprox 32-33wpm.  (I have to wonder if it was K9CT)
>
> I managed to get in the log at 1155z (10mins before SR here), however there
> were a few W1's and a VE1 that were worked 10-15mins before that.
>
>
>
> What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
> was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
> all
> come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> discern who he was coming back to?
>
>
>
> Now, In full disclosure, I am no saint, and have been known to respond to a
> DX stn if there's an unruly p/u I hear something like VE3A? VE3A? or 9AA?,
> 9AA? ,IT9A? IT9A? or VE8AU? VE8AU? or VE1AAA? VE1AAA? but all those dance
> around my call (VE9AA). If there's any change "away" from my call, I stop
> calling.  I also listen to my xmit QRG and if there's someone with a closer
> call, I will stop calling.  Luckily, it almost always starts off with VE9?
> or 9AA? so I am good 99% of the time and rarely step on anyones toes. (and
> always feel bad if I do)
>
>
>
> If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
> who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't
> hearing
> him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
> original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
> only have so many days)
>
>
>
> gah !
>
>
>
> Anyways, they were doing an incredible job despite incessant callers..some
> of whom NEVER stopped calling.  They were in here solid for a good hour at
> about 529-549 (no preamp on), inverted L @ 35' a mile of radials..and up to
> 26mins past SR here before slipping into the dust.
>
>
>
> Well done Islanders ! Well done.
>
>
>
> Mike VE9AA
>
>
>
> Mike, Coreen & Corey
>
> Keswick Ridge, NB
>
>
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Gary Smith]

Tim,

I just checked as you mentioned and it was indeed K9CT I worked on 
160 that first night. One fine op and I am amazed I got in the log at 
all, I could hear them but the QSB was so deep they were dropping out 
mid call and coming up only to drop out again. Tough conditions on my 
end and surely on theirs as well.

Love 160

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Mike, if you go to clublog.org, search K5P DXpedition log for your call,
> and mouse over the greenie, you will see the operator for your QSO (his
> call and picture). I don't think they've uploaded this morning's QSO's yet
> but they are doing uploads several times a day.
> 
> W0GJ was the operator for my 160M QSO. Sharp looking guy!
> 
> Tim N3QE
> 
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Mike Smith VE9AA  wrote:
> 
> > Whoever the 160m op was this morning was doing a really great job, moving
> > right along at aprox 32-33wpm.  (I have to wonder if it was K9CT)
> >
> > I managed to get in the log at 1155z (10mins before SR here), however there
> > were a few W1's and a VE1 that were worked 10-15mins before that.
> >
> >
> >
> > What surprised me (why, I don't know-It just does, even after many decades)
> > was when K5P would say AA0R? AA0R?, .WB2Z.'s, KB4Q.'s and VE7S..'s would
> > all
> > come back to him.  Yes, most did stop calling, so I have to wonder...are
> > these folks just plain rude or were they not hearing K5P well enough to
> > discern who he was coming back to?
> >
> >
> >
> > Now, In full disclosure, I am no saint, and have been known to respond to a
> > DX stn if there's an unruly p/u I hear something like VE3A? VE3A? or 9AA?,
> > 9AA? ,IT9A? IT9A? or VE8AU? VE8AU? or VE1AAA? VE1AAA? but all those dance
> > around my call (VE9AA). If there's any change "away" from my call, I stop
> > calling.  I also listen to my xmit QRG and if there's someone with a closer
> > call, I will stop calling.  Luckily, it almost always starts off with VE9?
> > or 9AA? so I am good 99% of the time and rarely step on anyones toes. (and
> > always feel bad if I do)
> >
> >
> >
> > If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
> > who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't
> > hearing
> > him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
> > original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
> > only have so many days)
> >
> >
> >
> > gah !
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyways, they were doing an incredible job despite incessant callers..some
> > of whom NEVER stopped calling.  They were in here solid for a good hour at
> > about 529-549 (no preamp on), inverted L @ 35' a mile of radials..and up to
> > 26mins past SR here before slipping into the dust.
> >
> >
> >
> > Well done Islanders ! Well done.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike VE9AA
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike, Coreen & Corey
> >
> > Keswick Ridge, NB
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Topband: K5P good job !

[Nodir Tursoon-Zadeh]

Dedicated operation on 160! Very pationed operator and great ears. Heard few 
station from Central Asia got through and even UA4. Many JA's.


Best report is 599 on my QTH.

Two peaks. 30 minutes before their SR for about 10 minutes and another peak 
right on SR time.





Regards,

Nodir Tursun-Zade
EY8MM
http://www.ey8mm.com/

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Re: Topband: K5P good job!

[lmlangenf...@tds.net]

Message: 16
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:55:36 -0400
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve...@nbnet.nb.ca>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Topband: K5P good job !

If the DX said WB6Z? I certainly wouldn't call.  Full credit to the K5P op
who tried to stick with it til he figured the original caller wasn't hearing
him or they were getting pummeled so badly from calls not even close to the
original, that he moved on.  Rate is king when time is limited.(dxpeditions
only have so many days)

gah !

Mike VE9AA

**


Mike, you're quite right.  There seems to be a real epidemic of those 
constantly calling out-of-turn (COOTs??) lately, and there's no question 
Q-rates are suffering as a result of this senseless (and now seemingly 
pervasive) QRM.  There's no rational excuse for it.

Both yesterday and this morning I heard many more than a few "easy" Qs fail to 
go to completion when K5P diligently and accurately tried to reply to callers 
who responded with nothing more than relentless repetitions of their calls.  
Apparently you did , too.

Jeepers!

73,

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