Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160
The amp is doing its job, and the swr trip threshold is 1.6:1. It is best to set the SPE atu toi bypass if used, and use an external eg; Palstar manual tuner to tune the SPE display 1.10:1 or better on standby TX and in operate, adj the Tuner input/output capacitors for best under power, leaving the roller inductor alone. After taking a 157m Helium balloon antenna off a 630m session last night , I was able use it for 160m last night with the SPE / Palstar, with max 400w using this method, with the SPE happy. If I had removed 40m off the lower suspended antenna line (easy enough to do) I could have used USA power limits. For a dedicated 160m antenna this treatment to allow the SPE to see a more favorable swr without trip will be good for 1kw +. The SPE antenna programming for the output to the Palstar will be set 1b etc (b for bypass). Again the tuner should be a manual like the AT2K, AT4K etc. Nothing to do with an unreliable amp, SPE are very swr sensitive for good reason. In any case I advise using low power profile if you feel the antenna has a risk, as the LDMOS is much more likely to survive a sudden load impedance change. Just need to know how to set it up to keep it happy, I have no doubt the nearby AM station would not be an issue with above procedure. vk4tux On 30/10/21 04:46, Ian Fugler wrote: I'm afraid that I as soon as I saw the email header I guessed there would be mention of an Expert amp. If you have the opportunity to borrow a more reliable amp and try that, I would be interested in your results, please. 73, Ian G4iiY -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+zen90387=zen.co...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jose_Carlos Sent: 29 October 2021 16:17 To: WW3S; FZ Bruce Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160 My old friend N8PR(SK) had a similar problem. Peter QTH was few miles for a AM station. The SPE amp is very sensitive, the signal from the AM station was strong enough to trip the amp. The solution was a 2 KW high pass filter to attenuate 30 db the signal from the AM station. Keep attenuation only as necessary to avoid the amp to trip and keep insertion loss very low.. You can use few 10W 10db attenuator to figure out now much attenuation you need. If it is external signal coming in, you don’t need to transmit, the amp will trip just actuating the PTT. 73’s JC N4IS Sent from Mail for Windows From: WW3S Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 11:06 AM To: FZ Bruce Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160 I have toroids on all the cables….and even started pulling cables out of the shack to see if it made a difference….im beginning to wonder if the amp has a fault…. Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, FZ Bruce wrote: It is likely RF traveling into the amp via multiple wires, cables. Recommend you put RFI cores on the coax between the radio and amp, and on the antenna coax near the amp. ( also possible getting on power supply connections) 73 Bruce-K1FZ - From: "WW3S" To: "topband@contesting.com" Cc: Sent: Friday October 29 2021 10:44:39AM Subject: Topband: amp tripping on 160 After two great nights of being able to receive, I am beyond frustrated, as I cannot transmitsomething happened recently, and I cannot figure it out... I suspect its RFI, but not sure why.as soon as I transmit on my Inverted L, my SPE 1.3KFA amp trips, saying SWRT exceeds limits.yet the SWR displayed is 1.46 to 1.new to me, but not new to this season is my tower which holds my Inverted L.it was 50' of Rohn 25, with a Hazer, its now a Alumnatower 48', with a wonderpole...but.that setup did work, as I worked S9OK and 3DA0RU with itI added a second receiving loop in the front yard, so thought that was it, but I took those cables out from the shack and still have a problemyesterday morning, I found the short piece of coax had a nick in it, from the mower I guess, so replaced it, and shortened my L a bit to bring the SWR a bit further up the band.I tested yesterday morning and it was great, low , mid and high power, even 1300 watts of RTTY, no failure, I tried several times during the day and all was great until darkness, and as soon as I keyed the amp, failure.I pulled out what little I have left of my hair trying to figure this out..the wonderpole is grounded and I "assume" the tower is grounded thru that..should I separately ground the tower? Doing so will complicate tilting it over, plus I only have copper grounding attachments, I thought I read where I shouldn't use dissimilar metals.but willing to try anything to get my 160 TX ability back...thoughts? _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160
I'm afraid that I as soon as I saw the email header I guessed there would be mention of an Expert amp. If you have the opportunity to borrow a more reliable amp and try that, I would be interested in your results, please. 73, Ian G4iiY -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+zen90387=zen.co...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jose_Carlos Sent: 29 October 2021 16:17 To: WW3S; FZ Bruce Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160 My old friend N8PR(SK) had a similar problem. Peter QTH was few miles for a AM station. The SPE amp is very sensitive, the signal from the AM station was strong enough to trip the amp. The solution was a 2 KW high pass filter to attenuate 30 db the signal from the AM station. Keep attenuation only as necessary to avoid the amp to trip and keep insertion loss very low.. You can use few 10W 10db attenuator to figure out now much attenuation you need. If it is external signal coming in, you don’t need to transmit, the amp will trip just actuating the PTT. 73’s JC N4IS Sent from Mail for Windows From: WW3S Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 11:06 AM To: FZ Bruce Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160 I have toroids on all the cables….and even started pulling cables out of the shack to see if it made a difference….im beginning to wonder if the amp has a fault…. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, FZ Bruce wrote: > > It is likely RF traveling into the amp via multiple wires, cables. Recommend > you put RFI cores on the coax between the radio and amp, and on the antenna > coax near the amp. > > ( also possible getting on power supply connections) > > 73 > Bruce-K1FZ > > - > > From: "WW3S" > To: "topband@contesting.com" > Cc: > Sent: Friday October 29 2021 10:44:39AM > Subject: Topband: amp tripping on 160 > > After two great nights of being able to receive, I am beyond frustrated, > as I cannot transmitsomething happened recently, and I cannot figure > it out... I suspect its RFI, but not sure why.as soon as I transmit > on my Inverted L, my SPE 1.3KFA amp trips, saying SWRT exceeds > limits.yet the SWR displayed is 1.46 to 1.new to me, but not > new to this season is my tower which holds my Inverted L.it was 50' > of Rohn 25, with a Hazer, its now a Alumnatower 48', with a > wonderpole...but.that setup did work, as I worked S9OK and > 3DA0RU with itI added a second receiving loop in the front yard, so > thought that was it, but I took those cables out from the shack and > still have a problemyesterday morning, I found the short piece of > coax had a nick in it, from the mower I guess, so replaced it, and > shortened my L a bit to bring the SWR a bit further up the band.I > tested yesterday morning and it was great, low , mid and high power, > even 1300 watts of RTTY, no failure, I tried several times during the > day and all was great until darkness, and as soon as I keyed the amp, > failure.I pulled out what little I have left of my hair trying to > figure this out..the wonderpole is grounded and I "assume" the tower > is grounded thru that..should I separately ground the tower? Doing > so will complicate tilting it over, plus I only have copper grounding > attachments, I thought I read where I shouldn't use dissimilar > metals.but willing to try anything to get my 160 TX ability > back...thoughts? > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160
My old friend N8PR(SK) had a similar problem. Peter QTH was few miles for a AM station. The SPE amp is very sensitive, the signal from the AM station was strong enough to trip the amp. The solution was a 2 KW high pass filter to attenuate 30 db the signal from the AM station. Keep attenuation only as necessary to avoid the amp to trip and keep insertion loss very low.. You can use few 10W 10db attenuator to figure out now much attenuation you need. If it is external signal coming in, you don’t need to transmit, the amp will trip just actuating the PTT. 73’s JC N4IS Sent from Mail for Windows From: WW3S Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 11:06 AM To: FZ Bruce Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160 I have toroids on all the cables….and even started pulling cables out of the shack to see if it made a difference….im beginning to wonder if the amp has a fault…. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, FZ Bruce wrote: > > It is likely RF traveling into the amp via multiple wires, cables. Recommend > you put RFI cores on the coax between the radio and amp, and on the antenna > coax near the amp. > > ( also possible getting on power supply connections) > > 73 > Bruce-K1FZ > > - > > From: "WW3S" > To: "topband@contesting.com" > Cc: > Sent: Friday October 29 2021 10:44:39AM > Subject: Topband: amp tripping on 160 > > After two great nights of being able to receive, I am beyond frustrated, > as I cannot transmitsomething happened recently, and I cannot figure > it out... I suspect its RFI, but not sure why.as soon as I transmit > on my Inverted L, my SPE 1.3KFA amp trips, saying SWRT exceeds > limits.yet the SWR displayed is 1.46 to 1.new to me, but not > new to this season is my tower which holds my Inverted L.it was 50' > of Rohn 25, with a Hazer, its now a Alumnatower 48', with a > wonderpole...but.that setup did work, as I worked S9OK and > 3DA0RU with itI added a second receiving loop in the front yard, so > thought that was it, but I took those cables out from the shack and > still have a problemyesterday morning, I found the short piece of > coax had a nick in it, from the mower I guess, so replaced it, and > shortened my L a bit to bring the SWR a bit further up the band.I > tested yesterday morning and it was great, low , mid and high power, > even 1300 watts of RTTY, no failure, I tried several times during the > day and all was great until darkness, and as soon as I keyed the amp, > failure.I pulled out what little I have left of my hair trying to > figure this out..the wonderpole is grounded and I "assume" the tower > is grounded thru that..should I separately ground the tower? Doing > so will complicate tilting it over, plus I only have copper grounding > attachments, I thought I read where I shouldn't use dissimilar > metals.but willing to try anything to get my 160 TX ability > back...thoughts? > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160
I have toroids on all the cables….and even started pulling cables out of the shack to see if it made a difference….im beginning to wonder if the amp has a fault…. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2021, at 10:57 AM, FZ Bruce wrote: > > It is likely RF traveling into the amp via multiple wires, cables. Recommend > you put RFI cores on the coax between the radio and amp, and on the antenna > coax near the amp. > > ( also possible getting on power supply connections) > > 73 > Bruce-K1FZ > > - > > From: "WW3S" > To: "topband@contesting.com" > Cc: > Sent: Friday October 29 2021 10:44:39AM > Subject: Topband: amp tripping on 160 > > After two great nights of being able to receive, I am beyond frustrated, > as I cannot transmitsomething happened recently, and I cannot figure > it out... I suspect its RFI, but not sure why.as soon as I transmit > on my Inverted L, my SPE 1.3KFA amp trips, saying SWRT exceeds > limits.yet the SWR displayed is 1.46 to 1.new to me, but not > new to this season is my tower which holds my Inverted L.it was 50' > of Rohn 25, with a Hazer, its now a Alumnatower 48', with a > wonderpole...but.that setup did work, as I worked S9OK and > 3DA0RU with itI added a second receiving loop in the front yard, so > thought that was it, but I took those cables out from the shack and > still have a problemyesterday morning, I found the short piece of > coax had a nick in it, from the mower I guess, so replaced it, and > shortened my L a bit to bring the SWR a bit further up the band.I > tested yesterday morning and it was great, low , mid and high power, > even 1300 watts of RTTY, no failure, I tried several times during the > day and all was great until darkness, and as soon as I keyed the amp, > failure.I pulled out what little I have left of my hair trying to > figure this out..the wonderpole is grounded and I "assume" the tower > is grounded thru that..should I separately ground the tower? Doing > so will complicate tilting it over, plus I only have copper grounding > attachments, I thought I read where I shouldn't use dissimilar > metals.but willing to try anything to get my 160 TX ability > back...thoughts? > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160
It is likely RF traveling into the amp via multiple wires, cables. Recommend you put RFI cores on the coax between the radio and amp, and on the antenna coax near the amp. ( also possible getting on power supply connections) 73Bruce-K1FZ -From: "WW3S" To: "topband@contesting.com" Cc: Sent: Friday October 29 2021 10:44:39AM Subject: Topband: amp tripping on 160 After two great nights of being able to receive, I am beyond frustrated, as I cannot transmitsomething happened recently, and I cannot figure it out... I suspect its RFI, but not sure why.as soon as I transmit on my Inverted L, my SPE 1.3KFA amp trips, saying SWRT exceeds limits.yet the SWR displayed is 1.46 to 1..new to me, but not new to this season is my tower which holds my Inverted L.it was 50' of Rohn 25, with a Hazer, its now a Alumnatower 48', with a wonderpole...but.that setup did work, as I worked S9OK and 3DA0RU with itI added a second receiving loop in the front yard, so thought that was it, but I took those cables out from the shack and still have a problem.yesterday morning, I found the short piece of coax had a nick in it, from the mower I guess, so replaced it, and shortened my L a bit to bring the SWR a bit further up the band.I tested yesterday morning and it was great, low , mid and high power, even 1300 watts of RTTY, no failure, I tried several times during the day and all was great until darkness, and as soon as I keyed the amp, failure.I pulled out what little I have left of my hair trying to figure this out..the wonderpole is grounded and I "assume" the tower is grounded thru that..should I separately ground the tower? Doing so will complicate tilting it over, plus I only have copper grounding attachments, I thought I read where I shouldn't use dissimilar metals.but willing to try anything to get my 160 TX ability back...thoughts? _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband [1] - Topband Reflector Links: -- [1] http://www.contesting.com/_topband _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Re: Topband: amp tripping on 160
If everything is fine at lower power but trips at higher power, it could be RFI. But I would suspect an arcover somewhere. It sounds like your feedpoint is low impedance but there can be arcovers on the insulator at the end of your L, too. Or if your L is spaced off from the tower with insulators, those could be arcing over. And those may be more susceptible to moisture so might happen depending on temperature and humidity. Tim N3QE On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:44 AM WW3S wrote: > After two great nights of being able to receive, I am beyond frustrated, > as I cannot transmitsomething happened recently, and I cannot figure > it out... I suspect its RFI, but not sure why.as soon as I transmit > on my Inverted L, my SPE 1.3KFA amp trips, saying SWRT exceeds > limits.yet the SWR displayed is 1.46 to 1..new to me, but not > new to this season is my tower which holds my Inverted L.it was 50' > of Rohn 25, with a Hazer, its now a Alumnatower 48', with a > wonderpole...but.that setup did work, as I worked S9OK and > 3DA0RU with itI added a second receiving loop in the front yard, so > thought that was it, but I took those cables out from the shack and > still have a problem.yesterday morning, I found the short piece of > coax had a nick in it, from the mower I guess, so replaced it, and > shortened my L a bit to bring the SWR a bit further up the band.I > tested yesterday morning and it was great, low , mid and high power, > even 1300 watts of RTTY, no failure, I tried several times during the > day and all was great until darkness, and as soon as I keyed the amp, > failure.I pulled out what little I have left of my hair trying to > figure this out..the wonderpole is grounded and I "assume" the tower > is grounded thru that..should I separately ground the tower? Doing > so will complicate tilting it over, plus I only have copper grounding > attachments, I thought I read where I shouldn't use dissimilar > metals.but willing to try anything to get my 160 TX ability > back...thoughts? > _ > Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband > Reflector > _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
Topband: amp tripping on 160
After two great nights of being able to receive, I am beyond frustrated, as I cannot transmitsomething happened recently, and I cannot figure it out... I suspect its RFI, but not sure why.as soon as I transmit on my Inverted L, my SPE 1.3KFA amp trips, saying SWRT exceeds limits.yet the SWR displayed is 1.46 to 1..new to me, but not new to this season is my tower which holds my Inverted L.it was 50' of Rohn 25, with a Hazer, its now a Alumnatower 48', with a wonderpole...but.that setup did work, as I worked S9OK and 3DA0RU with itI added a second receiving loop in the front yard, so thought that was it, but I took those cables out from the shack and still have a problem.yesterday morning, I found the short piece of coax had a nick in it, from the mower I guess, so replaced it, and shortened my L a bit to bring the SWR a bit further up the band.I tested yesterday morning and it was great, low , mid and high power, even 1300 watts of RTTY, no failure, I tried several times during the day and all was great until darkness, and as soon as I keyed the amp, failure.I pulled out what little I have left of my hair trying to figure this out..the wonderpole is grounded and I "assume" the tower is grounded thru that..should I separately ground the tower? Doing so will complicate tilting it over, plus I only have copper grounding attachments, I thought I read where I shouldn't use dissimilar metals.but willing to try anything to get my 160 TX ability back...thoughts? _ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
