Re: [tor-dev] Roster introduction
Probably not graphs. But the rest yes. -V On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 at 03:33 nusenu nus...@openmailbox.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, do you plan to add CW,CW fraction, measured bw (as soon as available via onionoo [1]), guard/exit probability, ... graphs to tor-roster? (similar to atlas but aggregated to the family) thanks [1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/16020 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVt9j4AAoJEFv7XvVCELh0wdYQAK5unbRdVqWHLC6GNBI9D4Aw hctgDsxt/cNiGYCJkxrq0VJnbs8wEo+ny7yG4wmG4O2iQiW02qIOPMbsCCjVxR5+ Jv3ubxOuIjwhIcol31pWks6NoqWCQaY62Odam2YeJcR2aUVSaOzyYo90gMIuVMXY zEoDWLmWrvlOal8nUoA4fAhhPwR0TZR+JDBgnj9QC4FT25fRcHvbwCYZjmKu/Cfs 4L+wPw8mx1OzTobViuHuxF891hdFnitJFZdvLks2D0/QaSFUZpgiSVhmutSJKAgu Mr3bUeYUF38VsSuvtP0aLpFAcYoUBQA1dBNxhVeaYgNa7mIHz8ADo1X6YM63+uzD uBqrtxVPQI0CjwjrcqeWpHixhAO8iLQfjTGTfB8TYRGvfqZ8whabTM9X82u1fZMn eFX6q1vXtOeHhVg4+DmfV259QH6UBSuDvH/C3lTjSgyAvDG+jFm9FW8ymSXDQcB3 GmLuTybCZK5hvtXzUufQfOU5vl8Sl+JVxteBLfOjsci0UVmR1tE4/vj+jKDbbdke 3SK/Se3VVXPXaUjw0sJ+pHLNCOSEgMu0G73DW7QAXCgw7hy+qWFR2ibgAKdYrQiU Y/yqiJfDVBKoIQwaKG7UwoTAHCorfW7c4jfSMfL9312GoPA57M+L+zHyKKiv1KWU xklNGefKSemyvLZUJnAr =Li7H -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Roster introduction (Philipp Winter) (Sean Saito)
On Sun, Jul 05, 2015 at 09:21:38AM +, saitos...@ymail.com wrote: - I searched for my relay family by fingerprint and the resulting page's URL didn't contain my family, so I couldn't send the URL to somebody else. Could you give me some more details about this? Currently the search bar supports all running relays. The URL will contain the fingerprint you put into the search bar. I simply searched for the fingerprint 9B94CD0B7B8057EAF21BA7F023B7A1C8CA9CE645 in the top right search bar. While the site did show aggregate statistics, the URL in the browser bar was www.tor-roster.org/search. I thought it would be great if it contained my family ID, so I could easily send the URL to somebody else. Cheers, Philipp ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Roster introduction
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 The main difference between Roster and Globe/Atlas is that Roster provides information at the level of *operators*, not individual relays. Agreed, this was just a placeholder. Will put contact info instead for now. Thanks, alot better now. In the future I would like families to have ids/nicknames as well. How about renaming the contact column 'operator'? (the name 'contact' comes from the descriptor field but operator might be more fitting in this context) I find the family page a bit to big, do you consider a shorter table like compass' family overview? With an option to expand individual relays on click as it is right now. Do you plan to add information about number of countries, ASes netblocks netblocks and an indicator for exit/guard to the overview? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVmv1sAAoJEFv7XvVCELh0nrsP/1qnayToOvsTlXzH82D6rYoX QEdafbDUYiUThKWDEAeQrJqvRGHXjbINJ5QLFvN9wmhvG1eBccmm1stoq5oDbfJO AC4lBb6OHCCJGQAGNQ11+Mt1Mzn4O0qZG2nEvhIb+zRnATEjSNXzzw0cmkJM4R0X hc9xi03kJ2y3iAuL2N85bB1qmfAXr4sh9b7Xgjos2zbCrD9Z/OAoEmixFRVzrEaD E2kuTiPWWKtHsREhVKu0iDPHIxf6fMAzAVvHJzFSVtvX8/28+SH5L4BVEdt3zh3D QRPiRwi7Qv2kukVwSwB4EjMS+kQJZOoNpxL4mQOGP624ezYM/aaQQy98eqSpm0Tf JiyEr1ZGpx+I0SO+qZuMouBHS742jjbjNVmK/rmDbA9DXEVjMSCiblzeEDBFDDSB 11ic0dIvhYUz/Sdv/6jwo3OGR6xoPbA7zdQmSx1eu7EsOuYnGI5F9SYCy7RiPOHI Qpx26z1/lCszqIp+9v6Eetw4LjJS8+CR2tr0Vi6Aslj965610yY8KDTkoEYeFJ// UddVQCZK4lXyirYhwpLjGF+k8HRT7WS9Zw++yYUl0iwzko4bnugbw3EpOpXmpp1C ctTSlX4qQCko6NPFGtjKAzyHvne8i88FNXlBwbl3XGEFQJkmdGIB+Kbo5emTZiAq b2j5vSBbBGyP9wyOyr4l =sfL9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Roster introduction (Philipp Winter) (Sean Saito)
Hi Philipp, - I searched for my relay family by fingerprint and the resulting page's URL didn't contain my family, so I couldn't send the URL to somebody else. Could you give me some more details about this? Currently the search bar supports all running relays. The URL will contain the fingerprint you put into the search bar. - The colour coding for relay flags is hard to read because of the low contrast. Perhaps use green for assigned flags and grey for missing flags? - I would put the exit policy in a fixed-size box. Otherwise, there's a lot of scrolling for large exit policies. Certainly possible. Thanks a lot for the suggestions. Sean___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Roster introduction (nusenu) (Sean Saito)
Hi nusenu, A few comments: - - the page seems to be AS name centric - first column of the table is AS name - only clickable column in the table is AS name - - the AS column suggests that all relays in a family run in one AS only - - the family page of a specific family shows the AS name as title, this is a bit confusing as one might think that the page shows all families/relays in the selected AS after clicking an as name on the start page Agreed, this was just a placeholder. Will put contact info instead for now. In the future I would like families to have ids/nicknames as well. Family identifier - - by looking at your page I assume your family identifier is the fingerprint of the oldest relay in the family, does that mean that an operator has to start over at 0 with collecting points once he kills his oldest relay? That is not the case. Thanks for the comments! Sean___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Roster introduction
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Main things accomplished so far: * Setup the basic website at: http://www.tor-roster.org/ Thanks for doing this! A few comments: - - the page seems to be AS name centric - first column of the table is AS name - only clickable column in the table is AS name - - the AS column suggests that all relays in a family run in one AS only - - the family page of a specific family shows the AS name as title, this is a bit confusing as one might think that the page shows all families/relays in the selected AS after clicking an as name on the start page Family identifier - - by looking at your page I assume your family identifier is the fingerprint of the oldest relay in the family, does that mean that an operator has to start over at 0 with collecting points once he kills his oldest relay? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVl5wiAAoJEFv7XvVCELh0c1kP/1C5YbWsv8pEoHuTiISs8UzI ah7ZtlBO27YNLlPj2xdDDjkEb46kf8l+AatWnk6u1z5XjiGGnc3T3kLRRfVphj4B S2b55QwuUldXJtI59aOcfNOkHdOIBWKCGLBZKkI7lgsIcsE1YAEjSgKMBQ/Q4FTb yzXnEla5bZa0daAcPkPkPwm43DQSygVrnuKqdxOglQFkvFLTB03qiEW9pa0yAhts 2qEVQyXo14sfehu2c0NoyWREnttbgrjIVZqHAM7yVRqYl5AxTZwMA8s0IohGdFTE ZRakg8uOzjhgJuXmL67VnowrVBiDLirezbTZxHLpqSBzQwyClBCbY4qgt0gmYeZ8 LMNRDYLE4r7bK9kweLhg+iJbsD0JQJUOS6H5l0LraDAVfHKtiH+dgRqwtGI0xSLh zjY+aAXUc1fpULgO1BwXHuTGh0uhXFRN8A++Xmki7DtIKm6LP40NjfiCg9nTgXkf Gv1bCzUxh1feCoJXWR4dt9oMUwcnpxPO2S16MQ4mwC0VGPedhg2D10/Ltfe8BzkZ hFodw8MQyWjTT2Xz78BI4sXGfbldYIgng0bkfvWXJzNhJ4M35sTEPUvQyLbj7szg n6cZZ/aOzMlg33sgSaS2UG0UzCa5XUtqSdmkeNuc7rrGr4/+GvV93ZXofLJnvaYZ kFz7aLxyS8kr3LR9aM7O =v2Lf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
Re: [tor-dev] Roster introduction
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:22:57PM +0800, Virgil Griffith wrote: Main things accomplished so far: * Setup the basic website at: http://www.tor-roster.org/ Looks good so far! I know that this is work-in-progress, but I have some minor suggestions: - I searched for my relay family by fingerprint and the resulting page's URL didn't contain my family, so I couldn't send the URL to somebody else. - The colour coding for relay flags is hard to read because of the low contrast. Perhaps use green for assigned flags and grey for missing flags? - I would put the exit policy in a fixed-size box. Otherwise, there's a lot of scrolling for large exit policies. Cheers, Philipp ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
[tor-dev] Roster introduction
Hello everyone. This is my first report on the Roster project and I wanted to give you all an introduction what it is and where it's going. I'm interested in seeing Tor grow. Current work towards this is tor2web and now Roster. Roster is the rebranded continuation of the Torati proposal which I first mentioned here: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2014-June/006975.html In short the gist is to: * Socially incentivize operators to run relays. * Make the operator experience more compelling. * Gamify operating a Tor relay. The main difference between Roster and Globe/Atlas is that Roster provides information at the level of *operators*, not individual relays. In Roster information is aggregated and metrics are summed across all relays of a family. The idea is that when you run a relay, you generate nerd points and badges. And then when people Google your name/alias, they will see how many nerd points+badges you have and they will be in awe of your epic geek-street-cred. In addition to improving operator experience, there are proposals for encouraging operators to do things Tor management like them to do such as upgrading to the latest Tor version and/or probably setting up their Families. E.g., a badge for using the latest/recommended Tor software. That's the gist of it. I will be spending most of my time on tor-relays@ and talking with operators there. So if you want to follow day-to-day stuff subscribe there. Main things accomplished so far: * Setup the basic website at: http://www.tor-roster.org/ * I have an assistant whom I've taken under my wing. His name is Sean Saito saitos...@ymail.com. He's a Computer Science student at Yale-NUS here in Singapore. He wishes to become more involved in The Tor Project and this is his first Tor-related experience. * We also have discussed with the tor-relays@ list candidate badges. Are interested in additional badge proposals. --- https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2015-June/007228.html That's it so far. -Virgil ___ tor-dev mailing list tor-dev@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
