Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread niftybunny
exit or guard?

> On 18. Jan 2018, at 21:37, Fabian A. Santiago  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone here use a vsp hosting provider which offers unlimited bandwidth 
> usage at a reasonable cost monthly? 
> 
> Would need to run / offer Ubuntu.
> 
> Country is of little importance. 
> 
> Thanks. 
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread Fabian A. Santiago
On January 18, 2018 3:39:22 PM EST, niftybunny  
wrote:
>exit or guard?
>
>> On 18. Jan 2018, at 21:37, Fabian A. Santiago
> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone here use a vsp hosting provider which offers unlimited
>bandwidth usage at a reasonable cost monthly? 
>> 
>> Would need to run / offer Ubuntu.
>> 
>> Country is of little importance. 
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> --
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>> Thanks,
>> 
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Exit, specifically I like to run a reduced reduced policy.
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread niftybunny
online.net 
trabia.com  (ask first)

both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros

> On 18. Jan 2018, at 21:46, Fabian A. Santiago  
> wrote:
> 
> On January 18, 2018 3:39:22 PM EST, niftybunny 
>  wrote:
>> exit or guard?
>> 
>>> On 18. Jan 2018, at 21:37, Fabian A. Santiago
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone here use a vsp hosting provider which offers unlimited
>> bandwidth usage at a reasonable cost monthly? 
>>> 
>>> Would need to run / offer Ubuntu.
>>> 
>>> Country is of little importance. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks. 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread George
niftybunny:
> online.net 
> trabia.com  (ask first)
> 
> both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros
> 


This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's focused
on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.

https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md

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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread Fabian A. Santiago
January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George"  wrote:

> niftybunny:
> 
>> online.net 
>> trabia.com  (ask first)
>> 
>> both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros
> 
> This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's focused
> on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.
> 
> https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md
> 
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I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have the 
following dialog going:

"
Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD vps 
product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit policy. 
Thank you.



 Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
Hello,

Thanks for your ticket.
Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal activities, 
you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If not, you will 
reported accordingly.

I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire disposal for 
any further information.

Best regards,

Flavio 
Online / Scaleway
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 fabian.santi...@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM
By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to abuse 
reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:

1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to browse to 
learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes links to the tor 
project's own pages with additional information. I would also be published in 
the tor atlas showing my node's information for all to see that i am a tor 
node. 
2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be addressed 
to me directly as needed.

will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on your end that 
I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in case you do wind up 
receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I find (and have read) that with 
a reduced reduced exit policy the chance for complaint generating traffic is 
greatly minimized anyway. thank you.
"

so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he mean by 
"legal activities"? Thanks. 

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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread niftybunny
You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case scenario is: 
They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in charge to explain to a 
LEO that this is a Tor Exit. 
Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any personal 
data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore ISPs ban Tor Exists 
together with CP and hate speech. 

Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists.
Enjoy your stay.

Markus


> On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago  
> wrote:
> 
> January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George"  wrote:
> 
>> niftybunny:
>> 
>>> online.net 
>>> trabia.com  (ask first)
>>> 
>>> both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros
>> 
>> This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's focused
>> on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.
>> 
>> https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md
>> 
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> I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have the 
> following dialog going:
> 
> "
> Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD vps 
> product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit policy. 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for your ticket.
> Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal activities, 
> you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If not, you will 
> reported accordingly.
> 
> I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire disposal 
> for any further information.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Flavio 
> Online / Scaleway
> Looking for an amazing job? Join us NOW ! https://careers.scaleway.com/
> 
> 
> 
> fabian.santi...@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM
> By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to abuse 
> reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:
> 
> 1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to browse to 
> learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes links to the 
> tor project's own pages with additional information. I would also be 
> published in the tor atlas showing my node's information for all to see that 
> i am a tor node. 
> 2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be addressed 
> to me directly as needed.
> 
> will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on your end 
> that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in case you do wind 
> up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I find (and have read) that 
> with a reduced reduced exit policy the chance for complaint generating 
> traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank you.
> "
> 
> so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he mean by 
> "legal activities"? Thanks. 
> 
> --
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> Thanks,
> 
> Fabian S.
> 
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread Mirimir
On 01/18/2018 11:54 AM, niftybunny wrote:
> You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case scenario 
> is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in charge to 
> explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit. 
> Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any personal 
> data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore ISPs ban Tor 
> Exists together with CP and hate speech. 
> 
> Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists.
> Enjoy your stay.
> 
> Markus

How about HostSailor? They accept Bitcoin, and don't authenticate
customers. But I don't know how they'd handle Tor relays.

>> On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago  
>> wrote:
>>
>> January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George"  wrote:
>>
>>> niftybunny:
>>>
 online.net 
 trabia.com  (ask first)

 both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros
>>>
>>> This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's focused
>>> on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md
>>>
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>>>
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>> I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have the 
>> following dialog going:
>>
>> "
>> Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD vps 
>> product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit policy. 
>> Thank you.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thanks for your ticket.
>> Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal 
>> activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If not, 
>> you will reported accordingly.
>>
>> I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire disposal 
>> for any further information.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Flavio 
>> Online / Scaleway
>> Looking for an amazing job? Join us NOW ! https://careers.scaleway.com/
>>
>> 
>>
>> fabian.santi...@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM
>> By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to abuse 
>> reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:
>>
>> 1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to browse to 
>> learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes links to the 
>> tor project's own pages with additional information. I would also be 
>> published in the tor atlas showing my node's information for all to see that 
>> i am a tor node. 
>> 2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be 
>> addressed to me directly as needed.
>>
>> will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on your end 
>> that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in case you do wind 
>> up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I find (and have read) that 
>> with a reduced reduced exit policy the chance for complaint generating 
>> traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank you.
>> "
>>
>> so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he mean by 
>> "legal activities"? Thanks. 
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Fabian S.
>>
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread I
They mean that what you are intending to do on their servers should be within 
the law.

Rob

> 
> I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have the
> following dialog going:
> 
> "
> Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD
> vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit
> policy. Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
>  Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for your ticket.
> Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal
> activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If
> not, you will reported accordingly.
> 
> I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire
> disposal for any further information.
> 


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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread Fabian A. Santiago
On January 18, 2018 6:26:40 PM EST, Mirimir  wrote:
>On 01/18/2018 11:54 AM, niftybunny wrote:
>> You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case
>scenario is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in
>charge to explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit. 
>> Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any
>personal data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore
>ISPs ban Tor Exists together with CP and hate speech. 
>> 
>> Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists.
>> Enjoy your stay.
>> 
>> Markus
>
>How about HostSailor? They accept Bitcoin, and don't authenticate
>customers. But I don't know how they'd handle Tor relays.
>
>>> On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago
> wrote:
>>>
>>> January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George"  wrote:
>>>
 niftybunny:

> online.net 
> trabia.com  (ask first)
>
> both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros

 This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's
>focused
 on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.


>https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md

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>>> I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and
>have the following dialog going:
>>>
>>> "
>>> Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud
>SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced
>exit policy. Thank you.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your ticket.
>>> Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal
>activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If
>not, you will reported accordingly.
>>>
>>> I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire
>disposal for any further information.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Flavio 
>>> Online / Scaleway
>>> Looking for an amazing job? Join us NOW !
>https://careers.scaleway.com/
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> fabian.santi...@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM
>>> By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to
>abuse reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:
>>>
>>> 1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to
>browse to learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes
>links to the tor project's own pages with additional information. I
>would also be published in the tor atlas showing my node's information
>for all to see that i am a tor node. 
>>> 2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be
>addressed to me directly as needed.
>>>
>>> will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on
>your end that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in
>case you do wind up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I
>find (and have read) that with a reduced reduced exit policy the chance
>for complaint generating traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank
>you.
>>> "
>>>
>>> so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he
>mean by "legal activities"? Thanks. 
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Fabian S.
>>>
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Uggh, monthly recurring Bitcoin payments sounds painful. Nah. 

Maybe not a good idea then with online.net. they seem to offer vps' in Paris 
and Amsterdam and I have no idea what their LE would do when handed my info. So 
forget it. 

Ok, any decently priced unmetered providers with servers in the US? I am in the 
US.

I'll check out the csv someone mentioned as well. Thanks.

They also just added this response:

"
Flavio Pastore wrote: 

Hello,


Thanks for providing us more information about what services you're going to 
use in your server.

By the way, it is very difficult to give you an exhaustive reply in advance, 
there is not a full text explaining what can be considered as illegal and what 
legal instead.

But we ensure to apply the EU law as general set of rules, and the French law 
as specific set of rules.

Besides, it is impossible to give you all details about that u

Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread Fabian A. Santiago
On January 18, 2018 7:13:42 PM EST, I  wrote:
>They mean that what you are intending to do on their servers should be
>within the law.
>
>Rob
>
>> 
>> I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have
>the
>> following dialog going:
>> 
>> "
>> Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud
>SSD
>> vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced
>exit
>> policy. Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Thanks for your ticket.
>> Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal
>> activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used.
>If
>> not, you will reported accordingly.
>> 
>> I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire
>> disposal for any further information.
>> 
>
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Agreed. Thanks.
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread Mirimir
On 01/18/2018 01:13 PM, I wrote:
> They mean that what you are intending to do on their servers should be within 
> the law.
> 
> Rob

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love
under will."

>> I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and have the
>> following dialog going:
>>
>> "
>> Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud SSD
>> vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced exit
>> policy. Thank you.
>>
>> 
>>
>>  Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thanks for your ticket.
>> Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal
>> activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If
>> not, you will reported accordingly.
>>
>> I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire
>> disposal for any further information.
>>
> 
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-18 Thread I
Seriously!

Just run the relay and don't worry.
And don't listen to the nongs.


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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread niftybunny
Okay, you are from the US. Tor is legal in the US and legal in EU. You should 
be fine. I would not recommend  running a Tor Exit if you are from  Russia, UAE 
or Turkey. I used to have 20 Exists with Online.net  and I 
got lots of abuse but they were fine after verifying me. And by the way, you 
dont have much choice with traffic flat and Tor exit friendly anyway.

Markus


> On 19. Jan 2018, at 01:20, Fabian A. Santiago  
> wrote:
> 
> On January 18, 2018 6:26:40 PM EST, Mirimir  wrote:
>> On 01/18/2018 11:54 AM, niftybunny wrote:
>>> You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case
>> scenario is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in
>> charge to explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit. 
>>> Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any
>> personal data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore
>> ISPs ban Tor Exists together with CP and hate speech. 
>>> 
>>> Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists.
>>> Enjoy your stay.
>>> 
>>> Markus
>> 
>> How about HostSailor? They accept Bitcoin, and don't authenticate
>> customers. But I don't know how they'd handle Tor relays.
>> 
 On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago
>>  wrote:
 
 January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George"  wrote:
 
> niftybunny:
> 
>> online.net 
>> trabia.com  (ask first)
>> 
>> both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros
> 
> This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's
>> focused
> on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.
> 
> 
>> https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md
> 
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>> have the following dialog going:
 
 "
 Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud
>> SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced
>> exit policy. Thank you.
 
 
 
 Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
 Hello,
 
 Thanks for your ticket.
 Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal
>> activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If
>> not, you will reported accordingly.
 
 I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire
>> disposal for any further information.
 
 Best regards,
 
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 Online / Scaleway
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 fabian.santi...@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM
 By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to
>> abuse reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:
 
 1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to
>> browse to learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes
>> links to the tor project's own pages with additional information. I
>> would also be published in the tor atlas showing my node's information
>> for all to see that i am a tor node. 
 2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be
>> addressed to me directly as needed.
 
 will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on
>> your end that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in
>> case you do wind up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I
>> find (and have read) that with a reduced reduced exit policy the chance
>> for complaint generating traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank
>> you.
 "
 
 so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he
>> mean by "legal activities"? Thanks. 
 
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> Uggh, monthly recurring Bitcoin payments sounds painful. Nah. 
> 
> Maybe not a good idea then with online.net. they seem to offer vps' in Paris 
> and Amsterdam and I have no idea what their LE would do when handed my info. 
> So forget it. 
> 

Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread Fabian A. Santiago
On January 19, 2018 4:16:33 AM EST, niftybunny  
wrote:
>Okay, you are from the US. Tor is legal in the US and legal in EU. You
>should be fine. I would not recommend  running a Tor Exit if you are
>from  Russia, UAE or Turkey. I used to have 20 Exists with Online.net
> and I got lots of abuse but they were fine after
>verifying me. And by the way, you dont have much choice with traffic
>flat and Tor exit friendly anyway.
>
>Markus
>
>
>> On 19. Jan 2018, at 01:20, Fabian A. Santiago
> wrote:
>> 
>> On January 18, 2018 6:26:40 PM EST, Mirimir 
>wrote:
>>> On 01/18/2018 11:54 AM, niftybunny wrote:
 You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case
>>> scenario is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now
>in
>>> charge to explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit. 
 Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want
>any
>>> personal data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore
>>> ISPs ban Tor Exists together with CP and hate speech. 
 
 Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists.
 Enjoy your stay.
 
 Markus
>>> 
>>> How about HostSailor? They accept Bitcoin, and don't authenticate
>>> customers. But I don't know how they'd handle Tor relays.
>>> 
> On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago
>>>  wrote:
> 
> January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George"  wrote:
> 
>> niftybunny:
>> 
>>> online.net 
>>> trabia.com  (ask first)
>>> 
>>> both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros
>> 
>> This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's
>>> focused
>> on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.
>> 
>> 
>>>
>https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md
>> 
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>>> have the following dialog going:
> 
> "
> Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your
>cloud
>>> SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced
>reduced
>>> exit policy. Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for your ticket.
> Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal
>>> activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used.
>If
>>> not, you will reported accordingly.
> 
> I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire
>>> disposal for any further information.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Flavio 
> Online / Scaleway
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> 
> 
> 
> fabian.santi...@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM
> By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to
>>> abuse reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:
> 
> 1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to
>>> browse to learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also
>includes
>>> links to the tor project's own pages with additional information. I
>>> would also be published in the tor atlas showing my node's
>information
>>> for all to see that i am a tor node. 
> 2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can
>be
>>> addressed to me directly as needed.
> 
> will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on
>>> your end that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in
>>> case you do wind up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I
>>> find (and have read) that with a reduced reduced exit policy the
>chance
>>> for complaint generating traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank
>>> you.
> "
> 
> so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he
>>> mean by "legal activities"? Thanks. 
> 
> --
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> Thanks,
> 
> Fabian S.
> 
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2018-01-19 Thread I
Good Man!

I had forty and not one waterboarding or letter.

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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread Tyler Johnson
Are the advertised bandwidths from online.net what you will see in actual
practice? For instance, if one of their LTS servers comes with 300Mbps,
will you get close to that throughput?

 I have a few servers with oneprovider.com (online.net reseller I believe)
and it's about 1/10 what is advertised, which is still good, considering
the cost, but I'd like to run higher bandwidth relays.

Also, does anyone know if the KVM offered through online.net have virtual
media capabilities?

Thanks,

Tyler

On Jan 19, 2018 03:16, "niftybunny"  wrote:

Okay, you are from the US. Tor is legal in the US and legal in EU. You
should be fine. I would not recommend  running a Tor Exit if you are from
 Russia, UAE or Turkey. I used to have 20 Exists with Online.net and I got
lots of abuse but they were fine after verifying me. And by the way, you
dont have much choice with traffic flat and Tor exit friendly anyway.

Markus


On 19. Jan 2018, at 01:20, Fabian A. Santiago 
wrote:

On January 18, 2018 6:26:40 PM EST, Mirimir  wrote:

On 01/18/2018 11:54 AM, niftybunny wrote:

You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case

scenario is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in
charge to explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit.

Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any

personal data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore
ISPs ban Tor Exists together with CP and hate speech.


Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists.
Enjoy your stay.

Markus


How about HostSailor? They accept Bitcoin, and don't authenticate
customers. But I don't know how they'd handle Tor relays.

On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago

 wrote:


January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George"  wrote:

niftybunny:

online.net 
trabia.com  (ask first)

both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros


This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's

focused

on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.


https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md


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I asked online.net about their cloud ssd vps service and tor and

have the following dialog going:


"
Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud

SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced
exit policy. Thank you.




Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
Hello,

Thanks for your ticket.
Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal

activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If
not, you will reported accordingly.


I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire

disposal for any further information.


Best regards,

Flavio
Online / Scaleway
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https://careers.scaleway.com/




fabian.santi...@gmail.com 1/18/18 5:40 PM
By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to

abuse reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:


1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to

browse to learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes
links to the tor project's own pages with additional information. I
would also be published in the tor atlas showing my node's information
for all to see that i am a tor node.

2.> i publish contact information so that complaint concerns can be

addressed to me directly as needed.


will this suffice in your opinion? could you also make a note on

your end that I would be running an exit relay so that you know, in
case you do wind up receiving complaints about my node's traffic? I
find (and have read) that with a reduced reduced exit policy the chance
for complaint generating traffic is greatly minimized anyway. thank
you.

"

so they seem to be kewl with it but in your opinions, what does he

mean by "legal activities"? Thanks.


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Uggh, monthly recurring Bitcoin payments sounds painful. Nah.

Maybe not a good idea then with online.net. they seem to offer vps' in
Paris and Amsterdam and I have no idea what their LE would do when handed
my info. So forget it.

Ok, any decently 

Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread niftybunny
I got around 80-100mbit with an 200mbit VPS. Please remember: Tor will NOT use 
all your bw. So this is as good as it gets. 

> On 19. Jan 2018, at 15:03, Tyler Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Are the advertised bandwidths from online.net  what you 
> will see in actual practice? For instance, if one of their LTS servers comes 
> with 300Mbps, will you get close to that throughput?
> 
>  I have a few servers with oneprovider.com  
> (online.net  reseller I believe) and it's about 1/10 what 
> is advertised, which is still good, considering the cost, but I'd like to run 
> higher bandwidth relays.
> 
> Also, does anyone know if the KVM offered through online.net 
>  have virtual media capabilities?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tyler 
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018 03:16, "niftybunny"  > wrote:
> Okay, you are from the US. Tor is legal in the US and legal in EU. You should 
> be fine. I would not recommend  running a Tor Exit if you are from  Russia, 
> UAE or Turkey. I used to have 20 Exists with Online.net  
> and I got lots of abuse but they were fine after verifying me. And by the 
> way, you dont have much choice with traffic flat and Tor exit friendly anyway.
> 
> Markus
> 
> 
>> On 19. Jan 2018, at 01:20, Fabian A. Santiago > > wrote:
>> 
>> On January 18, 2018 6:26:40 PM EST, Mirimir > > wrote:
>>> On 01/18/2018 11:54 AM, niftybunny wrote:
 You will held responsible to your actions (traffic). So worst case
>>> scenario is: They give your personal data to a LEA and you are now in
>>> charge to explain to a LEO that this is a Tor Exit. 
 Depends on your country if this is a good idea. If you dont want any
>>> personal data with your VPS, get a bulletproof VPS but even offshore
>>> ISPs ban Tor Exists together with CP and hate speech. 
 
 Welcome to the wonderful world of Tor Exists.
 Enjoy your stay.
 
 Markus
>>> 
>>> How about HostSailor? They accept Bitcoin, and don't authenticate
>>> customers. But I don't know how they'd handle Tor relays.
>>> 
> On 18. Jan 2018, at 23:45, Fabian A. Santiago
>>> mailto:fsanti...@garbage-juice.com>> wrote:
> 
> January 18, 2018 4:50 PM, "George"  > wrote:
> 
>> niftybunny:
>> 
>>> online.net  >
>>> trabia.com  >> > (ask first)
>>> 
>>> both offer 100mbit for less than 5 euros
>> 
>> This is a CSV file that TDP is slowly tinkering with. While it's
>>> focused
>> on BSD-providing VPSs, most offer more.
>> 
>> 
>>> https://github.com/torbsd/torbsd.github.io/blob/master/docs/bsd-vps.md 
>>> 
>> 
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> and tor and
>>> have the following dialog going:
> 
> "
> Hello. I'm interested in running a Tor relay exit node on your cloud
>>> SSD vps product. Is this allowed? I would be running a reduced reduced
>>> exit policy. Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> Flavio Pastore 1/18/18 5:13 PM
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for your ticket.
> Our platform is a IaaS one. So, if you're willing to set up legal
>>> activities, you're more than welcome regardless of the service used. If
>>> not, you will reported accordingly.
> 
> I hope I have this point clear, but we remain here at your entire
>>> disposal for any further information.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Flavio 
> Online / Scaleway
> Looking for an amazing job? Join us NOW !
>>> https://careers.scaleway.com/ 
> 
> 
> 
> fabian.santi...@gmail.com  1/18/18 5:40 
> PM
> By legal services, do you mean a mechanism in order to respond to
>>> abuse reports? if so, i have covered that need by the following:
> 
> 1.> i publish a tor readme html page on the server for anyone to
>>> browse to learn about tor and what my server is doing. it also includes
>>> links to the tor project's own pages with additional information. I
>>> would also be published in the tor atlas showing my node's information
>>> for all to see that i am a tor node. 
> 2.> i pub

Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread Tyler Johnson
Even if RelayBandwidthRate is set to maximize the available bandwidth?

On Jan 19, 2018 08:07, "niftybunny"  wrote:

I got around 80-100mbit with an 200mbit VPS. Please remember: Tor will NOT
use all your bw. So this is as good as it gets.
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2018-01-19 Thread Anders Burmeister
Will recommend OVH.ie, running 6 relays in 5 different countries.
/Anders

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> Does anyone here use a vsp hosting provider which offers unlimited bandwidth 
> usage at a reasonable cost monthly?
>
> Would need to run / offer Ubuntu.
>
> Country is of little importance.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread niftybunny
OVH does NOT accept any more Exit at all. Never. Even if hell freezes over. 
They hate us with every pore in their bodies.

Source: Called and e-mailed them a few times over the last 3 years.


> On 19. Jan 2018, at 17:25, Anders Burmeister 
>  wrote:
> 
> Will recommend OVH.ie, running 6 relays in 5 different countries.
> /Anders
> 
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>  Original Message 
> On January 18, 2018 9:37 PM, Fabian A. Santiago  
> wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone here use a vsp hosting provider which offers unlimited bandwidth 
>> usage at a reasonable cost monthly?
>>  
>> Would need to run / offer Ubuntu.
>>  
>> Country is of little importance.
>>  
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Fabian S.
>>  
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread Anders Burmeister
Oh really, Maybe I meet no problem because I have 2 middle-relay and 4 Fallback 
relay, Thanks for the info Fabian.

Happy hunting :)
/anders

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On January 19, 2018 5:31 PM, niftybunny  wrote:

> OVH does NOT accept any more Exit at all. Never. Even if hell freezes over. 
> They hate us with every pore in their bodies.
>
> Source: Called and e-mailed them a few times over the last 3 years.
>
>> On 19. Jan 2018, at 17:25, Anders Burmeister 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Will recommend OVH.ie, running 6 relays in 5 different countries.
>> /Anders
>>
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>>
>>  Original Message 
>> On January 18, 2018 9:37 PM, Fabian A. Santiago 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone here use a vsp hosting provider which offers unlimited 
>>> bandwidth usage at a reasonable cost monthly?
>>>
>>> Would need to run / offer Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Country is of little importance.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Fabian S.
>>>
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>>>OVH does NOT accept any more Exit at all. Never. Even if hell freezes over. 
>>>They hate us with every pore in their bodies

If you ask them they don't but if you just get on with it apparently they don't 
notice. 


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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread niftybunny
Besides the abuse mails. Am I the only one who gets 100s of abuse mails a day?

> On 20. Jan 2018, at 00:30, I  wrote:
> 
 OVH does NOT accept any more Exit at all. Never. Even if hell freezes 
 over. They hate us with every pore in their bodies
> 
> If you ask them they don't but if you just get on with it apparently they 
> don't notice. 
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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread teor

> On Jan 19, 2018 08:07, "niftybunny"  wrote:
> I got around 80-100mbit with an 200mbit VPS. Please remember: Tor will NOT 
> use all your bw. So this is as good as it gets. 

> On 20 Jan 2018, at 01:45, Tyler Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Even if RelayBandwidthRate is set to maximize the available bandwidth?

Yes.
RelayBandwidthRate is the maximum limit on your relay's traffic.

The bandwidth authorities allocate a consensus weight to your relay
based on the RelayBandwidthRate and measured bandwidth.

Then clients use your relay in proportion to its weight.
This usage is below your RelayBandwidthWeight.

Here are some good reasons why usage isn't 100% :
* Tor needs some extra bandwidth for SSL/TCP/IP, and directory fetches
* Tor usage varies throughout the day
* Networks need reserve bandwidth to provide good latency
* Networks need extra bandwidth to handle extra loads

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Re: [tor-relays] Good vsp providers

2018-01-19 Thread Tyler Johnson
Thank you!

On Jan 19, 2018 20:42, "teor"  wrote:

>
> On Jan 19, 2018 08:07, "niftybunny"  wrote:
>
> I got around 80-100mbit with an 200mbit VPS. Please remember: Tor will NOT
> use all your bw. So this is as good as it gets.
>
>
> On 20 Jan 2018, at 01:45, Tyler Johnson  wrote:
>
> Even if RelayBandwidthRate is set to maximize the available bandwidth?
>
>
> Yes.
> RelayBandwidthRate is the maximum limit on your relay's traffic.
>
> The bandwidth authorities allocate a consensus weight to your relay
> based on the RelayBandwidthRate and measured bandwidth.
>
> Then clients use your relay in proportion to its weight.
> This usage is below your RelayBandwidthWeight.
>
> Here are some good reasons why usage isn't 100% :
> * Tor needs some extra bandwidth for SSL/TCP/IP, and directory fetches
> * Tor usage varies throughout the day
> * Networks need reserve bandwidth to provide good latency
> * Networks need extra bandwidth to handle extra loads
>
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