Re: [tor-talk] blutmagie exits shut down

[grarpamp]

> Echoing...

Ditto. BM was an early, long running, high bandwidth and stable node.
I don't think its importance to all the good packets that passed through
it, and to Tor and the anonspace as a whole, can be underestimated.
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Re: [tor-talk] Hotmail

[John Boingboing]

> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:16:15 -0500
> From: joebtfs...@gmx.com
> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org

> When you say,
> 
> "with TorButton gone Hotmail is accessible again"
>
 you mean that you've turned Tor off?  By turning off Torbutton, you 
disable Tor in FF (not just Torbutton).  If that's what you did, can't 
tell if Torbutton was the problem or Tor itself.
> 

Sorry, I meant that TorButton was the cause.

What I don't understand is why TB blocks Hotmail's functionality when it runs 
in the browser.

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Re: [tor-talk] Fw: Hotmail with Tor [is their a solution!?]

[Mike Perry]

Thus spake William Wrightman (williamwright...@yahoo.com):

> I just checked today and it's still not possible to use Tor with
> Hotmail.
> 
> Does anyone (Andrew, Roger, Mike, etc) know why this is happening?
> 
> I realise we cannot expect immediate solutions but I would like to
> know what the problem is even if there is no immediate work-around.

We cannot safely fix this issue for Torbutton. You must use Tor
Browser to access hotmail safely.

See https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3580 for details
on how to use hotmail with Torbutton unsafely, if you insist on using
Torbutton with regular Firefox.

Otherwise, download Tor Browser:
https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser


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Re: [tor-talk] blutmagie exits shut down

[Jon]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM, William Wrightman <
williamwright...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> --- On *Mon, 9/26/11, Olaf Selke * wrote:
>
>
> From: Olaf Selke 
> Subject: [tor-talk] blutmagie exits shut down
> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 2:25 PM
>
> My fellow citizens,
>
> today blutmagie exits nodes ceased operation.
>
> My special hosting contract providing cheap traffic has been canceled
> cause I'm no longer with Telefónica Germany. Trouble with feds, police,
> or the content industry is certainly not the reason. It's only a
> question of money to pay traffic market price I can't afford.
> Nevertheless many thx to Telefónica for providing excellent network
> services in the last four years.
>
> regards Olaf
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> -Thanks for all your support.  May I ask how much the traffic was
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Echoing Roger's response " Thanks for all you have done for Tor. Am sorry to
see you go, but I think we all understand. Good luck to your future
endeavors and hope to see you back down the road.  :)
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Re: [tor-talk] Hotmail

[Joe Btfsplk]

On 9/26/2011 6:23 PM, John Boingboing wrote:

Hello

I might be on to something.

I entered localhost port 9050 in Firefox 6.0 disabled Java and Flash and 
imposed a firewall block on firefox.exe except for localhost port 9050 
(outbound).

When using TorButton I couldn't view or compose a message, but with TorButton 
gone Hotmail is accessible again.

There may be a downside, but as long as you are only interested in
pseudonymity, changing the originating IP in the mail header is good
enough for me.

Anyone care to comment on the the following solution?
http://anonymous-proxy-servers.net/en/help/flash-applets.html

When you say,

"with TorButton gone Hotmail is accessible again"
you mean that you've turned Tor off?  By turning off Torbutton, you disable Tor 
in FF (not just Torbutton).  If that's what you did, can't tell if Torbutton 
was the problem or Tor itself.

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Re: [tor-talk] Tor and resumed TLS handshakes

[Mike Perry]

Thus spake Mansour Moufid (mansourmou...@gmail.com):

> I'm reading about TLS, and just read more about the "resumed TLS
> handshake" shortcut.
>
> Seems like a nice way for Google Analytics or others to track users
> across exit nodes... Is this likely? Did I miss something?
> 
> [1] https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/Fingerprinting#SessionIDs

Ugh, you are absolutely right.

Previously we dealt with SSL Session IDs only by clearing them upon
toggle, on the assumption that Tor sessions would be short lived. We
also clear them with the "New Identity" button in Tor Browser, so Tor
Browser users are not entirely defenseless.

However, you are right: We should not allow third parties to use TLS
session resumption from different top-level origins in Tor Browser.

I've created two tickets for this:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/4099 and
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/4100

The first ticket is to just disable TLS session resumption, and the
related HTTP Keep-Alive feature for Tor Browser Bundle 2.2.x. The
second ticket is to find a proper way to actually isolate these
features to the URL bar domain. #4100 may not happen on a reasonable
timescale, but I set the milestone to TBB 2.3.x anyway.

Thanks for finding this!

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Re: [tor-talk] Fw: Hotmail with Tor [is their a solution!?]

[Joe Btfsplk]

On 9/26/2011 5:34 PM, William Wrightman wrote:

--- On Mon, 9/26/11, Joe Btfsplk  wrote:

From: Joe Btfsplk
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Fw: Hotmail with Tor [is their a solution!?]
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 1:08 PM

I don't use Hotmail, but it may / may not be related to javascript. 
Either way, make sure that (at least) session cookies are allowed to be

set for HM.

-Cookies work as per usual.

For grins, after disabling NOScript, look in about:config, type
"javascript" in search,&  see if any are still set to deny javascript,
even though may have disabled / uninstalled an addon.  Uninstalling them
(assume disabling, too) does NOT always reset the preferences they
changed back to default.  It should, but doesn't always.

-I disabled JavaScript and there were a few options that were "false" which 
I set to true:

javascript.options.mem.log
javascript.options.methodjit_always
javascript.options.strict
network.protocol-handler.external.javascript

However did this not solve the problem - same behaviour as previously.

Are you using the same install&  same profile of FF w/ Tor, as used for
everyday use w/o Tor?  Or is it a separate FF / profile, w/ diff addons
or plugins, that you're running w/ Tor?

-Same as I use for all other Tor browsing.

Look at the error console to see what, if any, errors show when trying
to load the pages that show basically blank.  AFAIK, if FF has problems
w/ a page, it will log errors in error console.
If given option, try changing the viewing mode of msgs to text only.

-No "errors" but lots of "warning" messages:

Warning: reference to undefined property e[d]
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 9

Warning: assignment to undeclared variable HM_CustomLogo
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 46

Warning: assignment to undeclared variable LM_HIPLogin
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 29

Warning: assignment to undeclared variable LM_LockOut
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 29

Warning: assignment to undeclared variable FNode_Disabled
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 48

Also a TorButton error:

Warning: "window" is read-only
Source File: chrome://torbutton/content/torbutton.js
Line: 4412


Many thanks - any more suggestions?

William, as suggested, not sure if js purely by itself is the problem.  
What's IN the error / warnings is important.  I do NOT claim to be an 
expert on the warning msgs in FF error console.  By any chance, have you 
tried the latest Tor browser bundle, to see if this problem is related 
something like Torbutton or some thing to do w/ Tor pkg vs TBB?  You 
don't have to install TBB -unzip to folder or USB drive, etc.  Just (for 
now) don't run TBB & Tor pkg at same time.  See if TBB allows viewing 
the email msgs.


You didn't say if started FF in safe mode (disable all addons / 
plugins), then started Tor?  Maybe not here, but addons can cause lots 
of problems.


It's been a while since I played w/ settings in Torbutton, but many have 
run into pages occasionally that don't work w/ Tor.  Sometimes error is 
discovered - sometimes not.

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Re: [tor-talk] blutmagie exits shut down

[William Wrightman]

--- On Mon, 9/26/11, Olaf Selke  wrote:

From: Olaf Selke 
Subject: [tor-talk] blutmagie exits shut down
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 2:25 PM

My fellow citizens,

today blutmagie exits nodes ceased operation.

My special hosting contract providing cheap traffic has been canceled
cause I'm no longer with Telefónica Germany. Trouble with feds, police,
or the content industry is certainly not the reason. It's only a
question of money to pay traffic market price I can't afford.
Nevertheless many thx to Telefónica for providing excellent network
services in the last four years.

regards Olaf
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-Thanks for all your support.  May I ask how much the traffic was costing 
you?
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Re: [tor-talk] Fw: Hotmail with Tor [is their a solution!?]

[William Wrightman]

--- On Mon, 9/26/11, Joe Btfsplk  wrote:

From: Joe Btfsplk 
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Fw: Hotmail with Tor [is their a solution!?]
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 1:08 PM

I don't use Hotmail, but it may / may not be related to javascript.  
Either way, make sure that (at least) session cookies are allowed to be 
set for HM.

-Cookies work as per usual. 

For grins, after disabling NOScript, look in about:config, type 
"javascript" in search, & see if any are still set to deny javascript, 
even though may have disabled / uninstalled an addon.  Uninstalling them 
(assume disabling, too) does NOT always reset the preferences they 
changed back to default.  It should, but doesn't always.

-I disabled JavaScript and there were a few options that were "false" which 
I set to true:

javascript.options.mem.log
javascript.options.methodjit_always
javascript.options.strict
network.protocol-handler.external.javascript

However did this not solve the problem - same behaviour as previously. 

Are you using the same install & same profile of FF w/ Tor, as used for 
everyday use w/o Tor?  Or is it a separate FF / profile, w/ diff addons 
or plugins, that you're running w/ Tor?

-Same as I use for all other Tor browsing. 

Look at the error console to see what, if any, errors show when trying 
to load the pages that show basically blank.  AFAIK, if FF has problems 
w/ a page, it will log errors in error console.
If given option, try changing the viewing mode of msgs to text only.

-No "errors" but lots of "warning" messages:

Warning: reference to undefined property e[d]
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 9

Warning: assignment to undeclared variable HM_CustomLogo
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 46

Warning: assignment to undeclared variable LM_HIPLogin
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 29

Warning: assignment to undeclared variable LM_LockOut
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 29

Warning: assignment to undeclared variable FNode_Disabled
Source File: https://login.live.com/pp1100/js/WLWorkflow.js?x=11.0.18474.0
Line: 48

Also a TorButton error:

Warning: "window" is read-only
Source File: chrome://torbutton/content/torbutton.js
Line: 4412


Many thanks - any more suggestions?


On 9/26/2011 10:03 AM, William Wrightman wrote:
> I just checked today and it's still not possible to use Tor with Hotmail.
>
> Does anyone (Andrew, Roger, Mike, etc) know why this is happening?
>
> I realise we cannot expect immediate solutions but I would like to know what 
> the problem is even if there is no immediate work-around.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/14/11, William Wrightman  wrote:
>
> From: William Wrightman
> Subject: Hotmail with Tor
> To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 3:22 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> I cannot seem to properly use Hotmail and Tor.
>
> I have disabled NoScript and HTTPS-Everywhere but to no avail.
>
> I can login with no problems and see the inbox but when I click on a message 
> then one of two things happens.  Either I get sent back to the "Home" page 
> which shows me the "Hotmail Highlights" or else the page seems to load itself 
> but the message does not get opened.
>
> I have tried with multiple Tor exit nodes.  Same problems.
>
> Has anyone else experienced the same issue?  Is their a solution? 
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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[tor-talk] Hotmail

[John Boingboing]

Hello



I might be on to something.



I entered localhost port 9050 in Firefox 6.0 disabled Java and Flash and 
imposed a firewall block on firefox.exe except for localhost port 9050 
(outbound).



When using TorButton I couldn't view or compose a message, but with TorButton 
gone Hotmail is accessible again.



There may be a downside, but as long as you are only interested in 
pseudonymity, changing the originating IP in the mail header is good 
enough for me.



Anyone care to comment on the the following solution?



http://anonymous-proxy-servers.net/en/help/flash-applets.html







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Re: [tor-talk] Why am I "sending" so much traffic when connecting to websites?

[William Wrightman]

--- On Mon, 9/26/11, cmeclax-sazri  wrote:

From: cmeclax-sazri 
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Why am I "sending" so much traffic when connecting to 
websites?
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011, 11:05 AM

On Monday 26 September 2011 11:06:25 William Wrightman wrote:
> I was looking at the "bandwidth" graph in Vidalia and there was one thing I
> did not understand. 
>
> I loaded three webpages (www.telegraph.co.uk), (www.wired.com/threatlevel),
> and (www.bbc.co.uk).  I received 6.7MB of traffic (which seems a lot but I
> guess not when everyone is using broadband) but what I found surprising was
> that I also sent 3.6MB.
>
> I have no idea why I would be sending so much traffic?
>
> I tried with a couple of other exit nodes and roughly got the same results.

The Telegraph has 331 images. Fetching each one requires that you send a 
request for it. This request is expanded to a Tor packet, which is 586 bytes 
including some overhead. That multiplies out to 194 kB. Then each of those 
connections has to be opened and closed, which takes another two Tor packets 
per connection. I'm not sure how that works out when many images are on the 
same site.
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I see your point.  So in effect the more graphically intensive the page the 
more traffic a Tor user is sending.
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[tor-talk] blutmagie exits shut down

[Olaf Selke]

My fellow citizens,

today blutmagie exits nodes ceased operation.

My special hosting contract providing cheap traffic has been canceled
cause I'm no longer with Telefónica Germany. Trouble with feds, police,
or the content industry is certainly not the reason. It's only a
question of money to pay traffic market price I can't afford.
Nevertheless many thx to Telefónica for providing excellent network
services in the last four years.

regards Olaf
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Re: [tor-talk] Is there Tor Browser Bundle with FireFox 3.x?

[Roger Dingledine]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 01:55:06AM +0400, ? ? wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I have really carefully looked through torproject.org but couldn't found any 
> links to download old version of Tor Browser Bundle with FireFox 3.x
> 
> Is there any of it?

You might like
https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/

But really, the answer is that Firefox 3.x is increasingly going to have
privacy and security problems that nobody fixes. Bundling it would be
irresponsible (and a waste of our limited packaging resources).

--Roger

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[tor-talk] Is there Tor Browser Bundle with FireFox 3.x?

[Антон Клесс]

Hello!

I have really carefully looked through torproject.org but couldn't found any 
links to download old version of Tor Browser Bundle with FireFox 3.x

Is there any of it?

Thank you!
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Re: [tor-talk] blutmagie exits shut down

[Roger Dingledine]

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:25:47PM +0200, Olaf Selke wrote:
> My fellow citizens,
> 
> today blutmagie exits nodes ceased operation.
> 
> My special hosting contract providing cheap traffic has been canceled
> cause I'm no longer with Telefónica Germany. Trouble with feds, police,
> or the content industry is certainly not the reason. It's only a
> question of money to pay traffic market price I can't afford.
> Nevertheless many thx to Telefónica for providing excellent network
> services in the last four years.

Thanks for your contributions to making the world a better place, Olaf!

It will be interesting to see how
https://metrics.torproject.org/network.html#bandwidth
and
https://metrics.torproject.org/performance.html#torperf
change over the next few days.

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Re: [tor-talk] Fw: Hotmail with Tor [is their a solution!?]

[Joe Btfsplk]

I don't use Hotmail, but it may / may not be related to javascript.  
Either way, make sure that (at least) session cookies are allowed to be 
set for HM.
For grins, after disabling NOScript, look in about:config, type 
"javascript" in search, & see if any are still set to deny javascript, 
even though may have disabled / uninstalled an addon.  Uninstalling them 
(assume disabling, too) does NOT always reset the preferences they 
changed back to default.  It should, but doesn't always.


Are you using the same install & same profile of FF w/ Tor, as used for 
everyday use w/o Tor?  Or is it a separate FF / profile, w/ diff addons 
or plugins, that you're running w/ Tor?
Look at the error console to see what, if any, errors show when trying 
to load the pages that show basically blank.  AFAIK, if FF has problems 
w/ a page, it will log errors in error console.

If given option, try changing the viewing mode of msgs to text only.

Either way, try starting FF in safe mode to disable all addons / 
plugins, then start Tor & check.


Since you CAN login, it's not a problem of using exit nodes in a diff 
country than when HM acct was setup, which some email providers don't like.



On 9/26/2011 10:03 AM, William Wrightman wrote:

I just checked today and it's still not possible to use Tor with Hotmail.

Does anyone (Andrew, Roger, Mike, etc) know why this is happening?

I realise we cannot expect immediate solutions but I would like to know what 
the problem is even if there is no immediate work-around.

Thanks.


--- On Thu, 7/14/11, William Wrightman  wrote:

From: William Wrightman
Subject: Hotmail with Tor
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 3:22 PM

Hello,

I cannot seem to properly use Hotmail and Tor.

I have disabled NoScript and HTTPS-Everywhere but to no avail.

I can login with no problems and see the inbox but when I click on a message then one of two things 
happens.  Either I get sent back to the "Home" page which shows me the "Hotmail 
Highlights" or else the page seems to load itself but the message does not get opened.

I have tried with multiple Tor exit nodes.  Same problems.

Has anyone else experienced the same issue?  Is their a solution? 


Thanks.



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Re: [tor-talk] Why am I "sending" so much traffic when connecting to websites?

[cmeclax-sazri]

On Monday 26 September 2011 11:06:25 William Wrightman wrote:
> I was looking at the "bandwidth" graph in Vidalia and there was one thing I
> did not understand. 
>
> I loaded three webpages (www.telegraph.co.uk), (www.wired.com/threatlevel),
> and (www.bbc.co.uk).  I received 6.7MB of traffic (which seems a lot but I
> guess not when everyone is using broadband) but what I found surprising was
> that I also sent 3.6MB.
>
> I have no idea why I would be sending so much traffic?
>
> I tried with a couple of other exit nodes and roughly got the same results.

The Telegraph has 331 images. Fetching each one requires that you send a 
request for it. This request is expanded to a Tor packet, which is 586 bytes 
including some overhead. That multiplies out to 194 kB. Then each of those 
connections has to be opened and closed, which takes another two Tor packets 
per connection. I'm not sure how that works out when many images are on the 
same site.
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[tor-talk] Why am I "sending" so much traffic when connecting to websites?

[William Wrightman]

I was looking at the "bandwidth" graph in Vidalia and there was one thing I did 
not understand.  

I loaded three webpages (www.telegraph.co.uk), (www.wired.com/threatlevel), and 
(www.bbc.co.uk).  I received 6.7MB of traffic (which seems a lot but I guess 
not when everyone is using broadband) but what I found surprising was that I 
also sent 3.6MB.

I have no idea why I would be sending so much traffic?

I tried with a couple of other exit nodes and roughly got the same results.

Thanks.
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[tor-talk] Fw: Hotmail with Tor [is their a solution!?]

[William Wrightman]

I just checked today and it's still not possible to use Tor with Hotmail.

Does anyone (Andrew, Roger, Mike, etc) know why this is happening?

I realise we cannot expect immediate solutions but I would like to know what 
the problem is even if there is no immediate work-around.

Thanks. 


--- On Thu, 7/14/11, William Wrightman  wrote:

From: William Wrightman 
Subject: Hotmail with Tor
To: tor-talk@lists.torproject.org
Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 3:22 PM

Hello,

I cannot seem to properly use Hotmail and Tor. 

I have disabled NoScript and HTTPS-Everywhere but to no avail.

I can login with no problems and see the inbox but when I click on a message 
then one of two things happens.  Either I get sent back to the "Home" page 
which shows me the "Hotmail Highlights" or else the page seems to load itself 
but the message does not get opened.

I have tried with multiple Tor exit nodes.  Same problems. 

Has anyone else experienced the same issue?  Is their a solution?  

Thanks.
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[tor-talk] tor-ramdisk 20110915 released

[Anthony G. Basile]

Hi everyone

I want to announce to the list that a new release of tor-ramdisk is out.
Tor-ramdisk is an i686, x86_64 or MIPS uClibc-based micro Linux
distribution whose only purpose is to host a Tor server in an
environment that maximizes security and privacy. Security is enhanced by
hardening the kernel and binaries, and privacy is enhanced by forcing
logging to be off at all levels so that even the Tor operator only has
access to minimal information. Finally, since everything runs in
ephemeral memory, no information survives a reboot, except for the Tor
configuration file and the private RSA key, which may be
exported/imported by FTP or SCP.

Changelog:

Tor was bumped to the most recent stable version 0.2.2.33, busybox was
bumped to 1.19.2 and the kernel to 2.6.32.46 plus Gentoo's
hardened-patches 2.6.32-69.extras.


i686:
Homepage: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk
Download: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-ramdisk-downloads

x86_64:
Homepage: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-x86_64-ramdisk
Download: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-x86_64-ramdisk-downloads

MIPS:
Homepage: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-mips-ramdisk
Download: http://opensource.dyc.edu/tor-mips-ramdisk-downloads


-- 
Anthony G. Basile, Ph. D.
Chair of Information Technology
D'Youville College
Buffalo, NY 14201
(716) 829-8197
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