Re: [tor-talk] What are some free and private email providers?
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:35:56 + Johnny Carson bm-2cwsmyxz1wdrbxaril1tfwmsm4mbcaq...@bitmessage.ch allegedly wrote: I was thinking about this to get around IP blocks on Tor exit nodes: My computer (SSL) Thunderbird + Torbridy Tor (not using hidden service to bitmessage.ch) Internet VPN Internet Bitmessage.ch Internet Recipient Not sure if that's possible or easy with VPN and Bitmessage Mail Gateway?? Huh? I don't follow that at all. I can see you connecting to bitmessage.ch over Tor, but, how on earth do you expect to get the bitmessage server to route a message to an external recipient's MTA over the net, through a VPN back to bitmessage.ch then back out over the net to a clearnet MTA? Whatever. The problem remains that if the clearnet MTA subscribes to an RBL system (or has other blacklisting in place) it may simply refuse to talk to a server identified as a Tor node, (or indeed to a system identified as mail.bitmessage.ch). And there is nothing you can do about that in advance. SMTP was never designed with privacy or anonymity in mind. It is iredeemably broken for that purpose. So any and all attempts at making a hybrid system which /may/ work within an anonymising network such as Tor, will almost certainly face problems when attempting to connect to clearnet systems. The gateways between the two systems have to be indentified. If they are identified, they can be blocked. There are good reasons why the default torrc exit policy blocks port 25. Best Mick - Mick Morgan gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 http://baldric.net - signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What are some free and private email providers?
On 12.10.2013 22:52, Edgar S wrote: I was also left hanging when tormail shut down. I've found one that meets my needs. Based in Switzerland. It is Tor-friendly for both signups and webmail. Has both an onion hidden address, http://bitmailendavkbec.onion, and an open address, bitmessage.ch. Free. The only drawback is that you have to accept an assigned username that is a long string of random characters. Wonderful! That saves me the efort to generate a random number to append to «anon». And a hidden service too! That is excellent news. TorBirdy support. No Javascript functional interface. It's a dream. Another possibility is URSSMail http://urssmail.org/ http://f3ljvgyyujmnfhvi.onion. Based in Russia and Brazil. Neither are very friendly to the NSA. It seems to have some problems currently. I thought I had created an account, but then I couldn't log into it. But it lets you assign your own username, and is free, although BTC donations are requested. As I write, the hidden service is down. I'm going to try that one. Sounds promising. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What are some free and private email providers?
I've been using bitmessage.ch for some time now and it works very well. Antispam 06 antispa...@sent.at wrote: On 12.10.2013 22:52, Edgar S wrote: I was also left hanging when tormail shut down. I've found one that meets my needs. Based in Switzerland. It is Tor-friendly for both signups and webmail. Has both an onion hidden address, http://bitmailendavkbec.onion, and an open address, bitmessage.ch. Free. The only drawback is that you have to accept an assigned username that is a long string of random characters. Wonderful! That saves me the efort to generate a random number to append to «anon». And a hidden service too! That is excellent news. TorBirdy support. No Javascript functional interface. It's a dream. Another possibility is URSSMail http://urssmail.org/ http://f3ljvgyyujmnfhvi.onion. Based in Russia and Brazil. Neither are very friendly to the NSA. It seems to have some problems currently. I thought I had created an account, but then I couldn't log into it. But it lets you assign your own username, and is free, although BTC donations are requested. As I write, the hidden service is down. I'm going to try that one. Sounds promising. -- Crypto -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What are some free and private email providers?
Antispam 06: On 24.05.2013 00:50, Moritz Bartl wrote: On 23.05.2013 22:23, Nathan Suchy wrote: I'm looking for email providers with decent support, a good amount of storage, and that protect your privacy. Do you know any? In the end, for plaintext email, you always have to trust the operator. There's valid reasons for going with Google for some activities. For others, it might be better to take a look at https://we.riseup.net/riseuphelp+en/radical-servers . https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/EmailProviderComparison is not very helpful. http://www.thesimplecomputer.info/articles/email-for-privacy.html is another older list. Things are looking bad. Lavabit is out. Fastmail is paid only. Nothing wrong with paid, only it beats the anonymity. Vmail.me has closed the gates. And it has big problems anyway: gmail bounces all my emails. Openmailbox has closed its gates. The system works well. The registration is off. Tormail is shutdown and unreachable. Even large guys changed lately. Lycos imposes a SMS ID with only a handful of countries in its list. Gmail imposes the SMS, even if their list is far greater. Gmx and Mail refuse account creation. They say it's tech problems, but it looks like Tor allergy. And Mail.com is a mask for more services. Hushmail shows only paid plans. Cyber-rights mask gave me access, but hushmail said it's suspended and gave me a chance to pay. OnionMail anyone? http://onionmail.info/cose.html https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2013-October/005626.html Here's a Google translation of the text from Italian to English: OnionMail is an Open Source mail server designed to work through the Tor network. Useful to create Tor Hidden service e-mail. funziomento of The OnionMail is virtually identical to any other SMTP / POP3 with some details and functions interssanti specifically designed for use on the Tor network. With this mail server can send and receive email from the Internet and tor increasing your privacy and protecting the metadata. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What are some free and private email providers?
On 10/12/2013 8:30 PM, Johnny Carson wrote: Joe Btfsplk: I guess you went thru part of the signup process to see it assigns a random string as your acct username / email address? It told me the registration was having problems. How long was the random assigned name? That'd be a bit tough sending mail to general people. But, if you want privacy... I wonder if there's an option to enter a name that goes in front of the email user name, like most clients or even ISPs allow? I guess it'd be fine for typical mail, but the entire size per message limit is 2 MB. I too use Bitmessage.ch by their hidden service address (SSL). I use Torbirdy with Thunderbird. When I send emails to people I just enter a name into Thunderbird and that's the name a recipient sees. The email address of course is long, but I haven't found anyone that seemed to care. I dont send big files though, the 2 mb limit is low. A trace of an email sent through Tor and then Bitmessage and then to the recipient shows Tor exit node IP address, without usable metadata AFAIU what Bitmessage.ch does for metadata. There's a new Tor Mail Gateway coming online and it sounds bad ass: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Special:AWCforum/sp/id429 https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-August/thread.html#29464 https://github.com/moba/tor2mail Thanks for the info. As always ( as Bitmessage site points out), if you send unencrypted email outside to regular email servers, sensitive or personal info faces exposure scanning by the receiving server. You can encrypt messages, but that's still not accepted by average users. I'm guessing that using Bitmessage w/ Tor, that perhaps the receiving server or the recipient, can't determine the sender's actual IP address? Has there been much of a problem w/ other email providers rejecting messages from Bitmessage servers? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Joe Btfsplk asked I guess you went thru part of the signup process to see it assigns a random string as your acct username / email address? Yes. It told me the registration was having problems. How long was the random assigned name? Try again in a day or two, I guess. The assigned name is in format bm-xxx...@bitmessage.ch where x represents a random upper or lower-case letter, or a numerical digit 0-9. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] What are some free and private email providers?
Joe Btfsplk: On 10/12/2013 8:30 PM, Johnny Carson wrote: Joe Btfsplk: I guess you went thru part of the signup process to see it assigns a random string as your acct username / email address? It told me the registration was having problems. How long was the random assigned name? That'd be a bit tough sending mail to general people. But, if you want privacy... I wonder if there's an option to enter a name that goes in front of the email user name, like most clients or even ISPs allow? I guess it'd be fine for typical mail, but the entire size per message limit is 2 MB. I too use Bitmessage.ch by their hidden service address (SSL). I use Torbirdy with Thunderbird. When I send emails to people I just enter a name into Thunderbird and that's the name a recipient sees. The email address of course is long, but I haven't found anyone that seemed to care. I dont send big files though, the 2 mb limit is low. A trace of an email sent through Tor and then Bitmessage and then to the recipient shows Tor exit node IP address, without usable metadata AFAIU what Bitmessage.ch does for metadata. There's a new Tor Mail Gateway coming online and it sounds bad ass: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Special:AWCforum/sp/id429 https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-August/thread.html#29464 https://github.com/moba/tor2mail Thanks for the info. As always ( as Bitmessage site points out), if you send unencrypted email outside to regular email servers, sensitive or personal info faces exposure scanning by the receiving server. You can encrypt messages, but that's still not accepted by average users. I'm guessing that using Bitmessage w/ Tor, that perhaps the receiving server or the recipient, can't determine the sender's actual IP address? Has there been much of a problem w/ other email providers rejecting messages from Bitmessage servers? Yes, scanning is still an issue, just like if one used Gmail, Yahoo mail, etc., instead of Tor + Bitmessage Mail Gateway. Scanning can/does happen at a few points along the email path. Using Bitmessage Mail Gateway (bitmessgae.ch) with Tor means the recipient see's the Tor exit node IP address. I have found a few commercial email address (to business) drop the email due to the IP address, but not even 5% of the total emails Ive sent I would guess, are blocked. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 16:14:48 + Johnny Carson bm-2cwsmyxz1wdrbxaril1tfwmsm4mbcaq...@bitmessage.ch allegedly wrote: I have found a few commercial email address (to business) drop the email due to the IP address, but not even 5% of the total emails Ive sent I would guess, are blocked. That is actually likely to be a real problem with quite a few mail servers. If the MTA uses a RBL of any kind the MTA may drop the mail if the Tor exit nodes appears on those lists. Some mail operators are dumber than others. Mick - Mick Morgan gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 http://baldric.net - signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On 10/13/2013 3:35 PM, Johnny Carson wrote: I was thinking about this to get around IP blocks on Tor exit nodes: My computer (SSL) Thunderbird + Torbridy Tor (not using hidden service to bitmessage.ch) Internet VPN Internet Bitmessage.ch Internet Recipient Not sure if that's possible or easy with VPN and Bitmessage Mail Gateway?? You lost me after Torbirdy Tor... -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Joe Btfsplk: On 10/13/2013 3:35 PM, Johnny Carson wrote: I was thinking about this to get around IP blocks on Tor exit nodes: My computer (SSL) Thunderbird + Torbridy Tor (not using hidden service to bitmessage.ch) Internet VPN Internet Bitmessage.ch Internet Recipient Not sure if that's possible or easy with VPN and Bitmessage Mail Gateway?? You lost me after Torbirdy Tor... I was thinking about tacking a VPN after the Tor exit node, before the Bitmessage Mail Gateway, to hide the Tor exit node IP address. But im not sure if that's possible. AFAIK VPN can be used to send email (POP/SMTP) but i dont know if what I was thinking about would work. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On Saturday, October 12, 2013 08:48:02 PM Antispam 06 wrote: On 24.05.2013 00:50, Moritz Bartl wrote: On 23.05.2013 22:23, Nathan Suchy wrote: I'm looking for email providers with decent support, a good amount of storage, and that protect your privacy. Do you know any? It's not free, but anyway - https://mykolab.com/ Just fyi. Else I was planning on setting up Kolab on my own server but it is simply not allowing me to do it as the DS installation dies every time I try =( /M. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On 10/12/2013 1:48 PM, Antispam 06 wrote: On 24.05.2013 00:50, Moritz Bartl wrote: On 23.05.2013 22:23, Nathan Suchy wrote: I'm looking for email providers with decent support, a good amount of storage, and that protect your privacy. Do you know any? In the end, for plaintext email, you always have to trust the operator. There's valid reasons for going with Google for some activities. For others, it might be better to take a look at https://we.riseup.net/riseuphelp+en/radical-servers . https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/EmailProviderComparison is not very helpful. http://www.thesimplecomputer.info/articles/email-for-privacy.html is another older list. Things are looking bad. Lavabit is out. Fastmail is paid only. Nothing wrong with paid, only it beats the anonymity. Vmail.me has closed the gates. And it has big problems anyway: gmail bounces all my emails. Openmailbox has closed its gates. The system works well. The registration is off. Tormail is shutdown and unreachable. Even large guys changed lately. Lycos imposes a SMS ID with only a handful of countries in its list. Gmail imposes the SMS, even if their list is far greater. Gmx and Mail refuse account creation. They say it's tech problems, but it looks like Tor allergy. And Mail.com is a mask for more services. Hushmail shows only paid plans. Cyber-rights mask gave me access, but hushmail said it's suspended and gave me a chance to pay. If you're looking for privacy, Gmail is the wrong place. Even if you could create an acct using TBB (doubtful), they scan everything - as do many others. You can encrypt your more private messages, or attach encrypted files. Yahoo may still let you create an acct w/ TBB. In the US, you may have to use a US exit relay may have to use one each time you log in - or face the security questions, or complete login denial. Not the best, but... Here's an older comparison of some more privacy conscious providers, I did early this yrs. Some data is no doubt outdated by now. http://bayfiles.net/file/XYO1/iKZYCo/Email_provider_comparison.pdf -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On 10/12/2013 3:52 PM, Edgar S wrote: I was also left hanging when tormail shut down. I've found one that meets my needs. Based in Switzerland. It is Tor-friendly for both signups and webmail. Has both an onion hidden address, http://bitmailendavkbec.onion, and an open address, bitmessage.ch. Free. The only drawback is that you have to accept an assigned username that is a long string of random characters. Another possibility is URSSMail http://urssmail.org/ http://f3ljvgyyujmnfhvi.onion. Based in Russia and Brazil. Neither are very friendly to the NSA. It seems to have some problems currently. I thought I had created an account, but then I couldn't log into it. But it lets you assign your own username, and is free, although BTC donations are requested. As I write, the hidden service is down. I guess you went thru part of the signup process to see it assigns a random string as your acct username / email address? It told me the registration was having problems. How long was the random assigned name? That'd be a bit tough sending mail to general people. But, if you want privacy... I wonder if there's an option to enter a name that goes in front of the email user name, like most clients or even ISPs allow? I guess it'd be fine for typical mail, but the entire size per message limit is 2 MB. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Joe Btfsplk: On 10/12/2013 3:52 PM, Edgar S wrote: I was also left hanging when tormail shut down. I've found one that meets my needs. Based in Switzerland. It is Tor-friendly for both signups and webmail. Has both an onion hidden address, http://bitmailendavkbec.onion, and an open address, bitmessage.ch. Free. The only drawback is that you have to accept an assigned username that is a long string of random characters. Another possibility is URSSMail http://urssmail.org/ http://f3ljvgyyujmnfhvi.onion. Based in Russia and Brazil. Neither are very friendly to the NSA. It seems to have some problems currently. I thought I had created an account, but then I couldn't log into it. But it lets you assign your own username, and is free, although BTC donations are requested. As I write, the hidden service is down. I guess you went thru part of the signup process to see it assigns a random string as your acct username / email address? It told me the registration was having problems. How long was the random assigned name? That'd be a bit tough sending mail to general people. But, if you want privacy... I wonder if there's an option to enter a name that goes in front of the email user name, like most clients or even ISPs allow? I guess it'd be fine for typical mail, but the entire size per message limit is 2 MB. I too use Bitmessage.ch by their hidden service address (SSL). I use Torbirdy with Thunderbird. When I send emails to people I just enter a name into Thunderbird and that's the name a recipient sees. The email address of course is long, but I haven't found anyone that seemed to care. I dont send big files though, the 2 mb limit is low. A trace of an email sent through Tor and then Bitmessage and then to the recipient shows Tor exit node IP address, without usable metadata AFAIU what Bitmessage.ch does for metadata. There's a new Tor Mail Gateway coming online and it sounds bad ass: https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Special:AWCforum/sp/id429 https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-August/thread.html#29464 https://github.com/moba/tor2mail -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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Moritz Bartl: In the end, for plaintext email, you always have to trust the operator. There's valid reasons for going with Google for some activities. Why trust them? You have GnuPG who can do ASCII armor. You have various techs to attach binary. Meaning a Truecrypt container for what I know. One still has the labels: who sent who at what time. But nothing about the contents. Add random, password like 8 char username and access over Tor and things get pretty well. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] What are some free and private email providers?
I'm looking for email providers with decent support, a good amount of storage, and that protect your privacy. Do you know any? ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
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On 23.05.2013 22:23, Nathan Suchy wrote: I'm looking for email providers with decent support, a good amount of storage, and that protect your privacy. Do you know any? In the end, for plaintext email, you always have to trust the operator. There's valid reasons for going with Google for some activities. For others, it might be better to take a look at https://we.riseup.net/riseuphelp+en/radical-servers . https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/EmailProviderComparison is not very helpful. http://www.thesimplecomputer.info/articles/email-for-privacy.html is another older list. -- Moritz Bartl https://www.torservers.net/ ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
