Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 10/20/2013 01:19 PM, Antispam 06 wrote: On 20.10.2013 20:41, Anonymous wrote: I have also noticed an interesting thing which is that it's pretty hard to find email service that hides your own IP address and this one that i'm currenty using is one of those. Jacob Appelbaum, Sukhbir Singh and tagnaq worked hard to give the world TorBirdy. Yet, it's easier to keep the same cliche issues, than solve the problems, right? I'm using an Finland provider 'cuz their law does not allow any other agentcy or anything like that to gain access to your files so easilly. That's so cute! Can you point out some time a spy agency was brought in front of a judge for not respecting the law. The same law written in stone in some countries as «nobody is above the law». Do you know of a time when they were found guilty and punished or ever issued an appology? No, but I remember anon.penet.fi ;) -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 08:54:12PM +0200, Antispam 06 wrote: My own. Never published as the spammers seem hungry for addresses. Compiled by spending time around privacy or security lists. Somehow like the /ignore in IRC. I went exactly the other way. I've been doing about zero filtering for the last year, or two, and it's working out ok. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 21.10.2013 07:34, Mirimir wrote: On 10/20/2013 01:19 PM, Antispam 06 wrote: That's so cute! Can you point out some time a spy agency was brought in front of a judge for not respecting the law. The same law written in stone in some countries as «nobody is above the law». Do you know of a time when they were found guilty and punished or ever issued an appology? No, but I remember anon.penet.fi ;) You mean, you want people to read the Penet remailer story from Wikipedia[1], where Interpol[2] acts as usual strong arm to a group of religious fanatics. Like the Mafia, they serve the highest bidder, but unlike the Mafia they never show traces of morals serving anybody who pays them[3]. Of course, anything can be a strong conspiracy to hunt down some bible students[4]. The consequences of one of the Interpol missions are on Usenet[5][6] and some details also on Wikipedia[7], where you can find pretty interesting things like some basic data about this list[8] or cryptoanarchism in general[9]. Id add some more, but Im running out of digits. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penet_remailer [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol [3] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/10087494/Interpols-role-in-tracking-down-political-dissidents.html [4] http://www.thestrongwatchman.com/political-conspiracy/48-political-conspiracy/159-what-is-interpol-and-why-do-they-have-international-immunity.html [5] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.scientology/hw6xKH-h8bs/_OhkQi2xIz0J [6] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.scientology/zpp3nfabhQI/f2WEdA6clLAJ [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_versus_the_Internet [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk [9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-anarchism -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 10/21/2013 06:20 PM, bm-2ctpedtadjx2bqf6wuux1cper78sq3x...@bitmessage.ch wrote: On 21.10.2013 07:34, Mirimir wrote: On 10/20/2013 01:19 PM, Antispam 06 wrote: That's so cute! Can you point out some time a spy agency was brought in front of a judge for not respecting the law. The same law written in stone in some countries as «nobody is above the law». Do you know of a time when they were found guilty and punished or ever issued an appology? No, but I remember anon.penet.fi ;) You mean, you want people to read the Penet remailer story from Wikipedia[1], where Interpol[2] acts as usual strong arm to a group of religious fanatics. Like the Mafia, they serve the highest bidder, but unlike the Mafia they never show traces of morals serving anybody who pays them[3]. Of course, anything can be a strong conspiracy to hunt down some bible students[4]. The consequences of one of the Interpol missions are on Usenet[5][6] and some details also on Wikipedia[7], where you can find pretty interesting things like some basic data about this list[8] or crypto–anarchism in general[9]. I’d add some more, but I’m running out of digits. Yes, but I hadn't read the Wikipedia article. I didn't realize that Scientology Inc was behind that. Makes sense. I also remember Toto, space aliens, drugs, Jesus, bedposts and life ;) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penet_remailer [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol [3] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/10087494/Interpols-role-in-tracking-down-political-dissidents.html [4] http://www.thestrongwatchman.com/political-conspiracy/48-political-conspiracy/159-what-is-interpol-and-why-do-they-have-international-immunity.html [5] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.scientology/hw6xKH-h8bs/_OhkQi2xIz0J [6] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.religion.scientology/zpp3nfabhQI/f2WEdA6clLAJ [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_versus_the_Internet [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk [9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-anarchism -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 15.10.2013 16:29, Jon wrote: Another article from the Washington Post may be interested in. Just checked my list of useless posters. Gmail has more than 60%. Interesting. Dude, really, go register with Facebook or some other herding site. Reposting is nil. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
What about users own domains? :) 20.10.2013 18:35, Antispam 06 kirjoitti: On 15.10.2013 16:29, Jon wrote: Another article from the Washington Post may be interested in. Just checked my list of useless posters. Gmail has more than 60%. Interesting. Dude, really, go register with Facebook or some other herding site. Reposting is nil. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:58:34 +0200 Antispam 06 antispa...@sent.at wrote: On 20.10.2013 18:09, Anonymous wrote: What about users own domains? :) Checked that list. Mostly vanity domains like $fist_name@$last_name.com. I think it's the same with car licence plates. I am not sure what about them, but having E-Mail on your own domain is the only way to have an E-Mail address you can rely on to have any sort of longevity while allowing you the choice of providers. Services come and go, they change their policies (or even just their user interfaces) to the worse all the time. Your domain name always stays with you. With an E-Mail address @providername.com you're locked-in to that provider by the huge hassle of the prospect of changing E-Mail addresses. With an E-Mail @yourdomain.com you are free to choose who hosts your MXes today, it could be a 486 PC in your closet, a Xeon dedicated server in a DC, a VPS or two, or if you're so inclined to trust cloud services, it could be Google Apps for Domains, Yandex PDD or any of the other bring your own domain E-Mail services which will compete for having you as their client without you allowing them to lock you in. Having E-Mail at a domain name you own is the ultimate freedom as far as doing your E-Mail is concerned. Wouldn't imagine someone around here would consider the desire to be free just a vanity. -- With respect, Roman signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
What list are you talking about? Also it's some times like this: firstn...@firstname-lastname.com/biz/net/jne.. 20.10.2013 19:58, Antispam 06 wrote On 20.10.2013 18:09, Anonymous wrote: What about users own domains? :) Checked that list. Mostly vanity domains like $fist_name@$last_name.com. I think it's the same with car licence plates. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 20.10.2013 19:43, Roman Mamedov wrote: I am not sure what about them, but having E-Mail on your own domain is the only way to have an E-Mail address you can rely on to have any sort of longevity while allowing you the choice of providers. Sure. Your domain. If your name is John Johnson, you don't really need to make sure you own johnson.com, johnjohnson.net, or worse johnson.eu. That's only an ego trip. Having E-Mail at a domain name you own is the ultimate freedom as far as doing your E-Mail is concerned. Wouldn't imagine someone around here would consider the desire to be free just a vanity. Reading that on an Android forum would have meant nothing. But here, and you call that «freedom»??? Wow! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 20.10.2013 19:58, Anonymous wrote: What list are you talking about? My own. Never published as the spammers seem hungry for addresses. Compiled by spending time around privacy or security lists. Somehow like the /ignore in IRC. Please, do care about top posting. Check out http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/top-posting.html -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm using my own/vps to use with my own domain and it's much easier when you may/can choose what you use your domain for. For example: For hosting your own site with info about you or something else. I actually own an 478 socket PC which still is online everyday and it works perfectly. I have also noticed an interesting thing which is that it's pretty hard to find email service that hides your own IP address and this one that i'm currenty using is one of those. I like being an anonymous 'cuz it's just easier way to go. Even if you want just chat on email lists. I know that do NOT run your servers at USA/UK if you wan't your data be secure. I'm using an Finland provider 'cuz their law does not allow any other agentcy or anything like that to gain access to your files so easilly. So if anobody of you here wants an good place to keep your data save please choose an Service Provider from Finland. Most of them accept USD, EUR and some other currencys. I'll attach my PGP public key to this in case somebody wants to chat with me with encrypted emails. 20.10.2013 20:43, Roman Mamedov wrote: On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:58:34 +0200 Antispam 06 antispa...@sent.at wrote: On 20.10.2013 18:09, Anonymous wrote: What about users own domains? :) Checked that list. Mostly vanity domains like $fist_name@$last_name.com. I think it's the same with car licence plates. I am not sure what about them, but having E-Mail on your own domain is the only way to have an E-Mail address you can rely on to have any sort of longevity while allowing you the choice of providers. Services come and go, they change their policies (or even just their user interfaces) to the worse all the time. Your domain name always stays with you. With an E-Mail address @providername.com you're locked-in to that provider by the huge hassle of the prospect of changing E-Mail addresses. With an E-Mail @yourdomain.com you are free to choose who hosts your MXes today, it could be a 486 PC in your closet, a Xeon dedicated server in a DC, a VPS or two, or if you're so inclined to trust cloud services, it could be Google Apps for Domains, Yandex PDD or any of the other bring your own domain E-Mail services which will compete for having you as their client without you allowing them to lock you in. Having E-Mail at a domain name you own is the ultimate freedom as far as doing your E-Mail is concerned. Wouldn't imagine someone around here would consider the desire to be free just a vanity. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSZCPAAAoJEFy6M0x4YSIjQVkP/3pmsTAk/uEZtOakxfRjXuyo FgVRbOLaZUneBHH8zU4zCAq+0dAldTryELgKsRfOavxUdclRlgyDZCuMhOBXR+9P 1zU9yZ7e/LD+ekolcaw90nMOII62pSbs16pWG+JFEwzNUOJbEd1mvKAbA2YgYq5Q DcgXdEJu3JVCmjlY0yTSJ7cdZLZOs203QXnrIwJg+vF4JgxTuTNHQwCrW2Pv465a DxqRfaf9jxA+y7K0YEeh8QMppFrRYCgxWNVzUxubuUwUnZbs0OK9VqmHq5Rsvy+Y dsWty/LN/QHengEisk4kSglsnv6omI7sRJ1Sva5F8e+L0KAcxlzoCG/LNcnTWds3 kikGkS5FRfpz7ZGrwupBSRLXRTrwcyyQDEEud7l4nW9t4Qx7pcYaT3NPunQeMG5x VBOaJOnrESQ6k3U4eBfswoPYhE8xvrReRpygu3xR4ZFV0/LSdot+O2JebTKlMwcP e+y3RpKDWiLvpqU3E1/QXhQl6nUIGC2bFu+PhW7DAR2fbAJVuhnzJpVO9ab7BRUA XTOmQ90bGuogZ4TVMC6XGE91DxU0MMSKYf2w4/2CnTyy4mGCOGLRcE5Ce5DHoFSb JvXbmVagSRK8Choq+rww0wwZEraI/aDB3nNoKdsubq8378om60Vs6nd2lc3I9vLT BpsqwXRgbRmlSY8kZvNh =pU5+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 20.10.2013 20:41, Anonymous wrote: I have also noticed an interesting thing which is that it's pretty hard to find email service that hides your own IP address and this one that i'm currenty using is one of those. Jacob Appelbaum, Sukhbir Singh and tagnaq worked hard to give the world TorBirdy. Yet, it's easier to keep the same cliche issues, than solve the problems, right? I'm using an Finland provider 'cuz their law does not allow any other agentcy or anything like that to gain access to your files so easilly. That's so cute! Can you point out some time a spy agency was brought in front of a judge for not respecting the law. The same law written in stone in some countries as «nobody is above the law». Do you know of a time when they were found guilty and punished or ever issued an appology? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 10/20/2013 2:19 PM, Antispam 06 wrote: On 20.10.2013 20:41, Anonymous wrote: I'm using an Finland provider 'cuz their law does not allow any other agentcy or anything like that to gain access to your files so easilly. That's so cute! Can you point out some time a spy agency was brought in front of a judge for not respecting the law. The same law written in stone in some countries as «nobody is above the law». Do you know of a time when they were found guilty and punished or ever issued an appology? I'm not knocking Finland. I know nothing of their privacy / citizens' rights laws. Even if A / The / Another Country has the BEST internet user, or any other privacy, citizens' rights laws in the WORLD, it doesn't mean all (or any) OTHER countries respect their laws. It doesn't mean other countries' LEAs aren't sniffing all the communications they can, that passes through those great countries (possibly even their allies). It doesn't mean some advanced countries don't have the ability to sniff / capture *SOME* of those great countries' internet, email, voice communications. Maybe none, a little or a lot - who knows? Maybe someone will leak some documents that sheds light on those activities. IIRC, there are a number of countries upset right now, by indications of LEAs from another country(ies) doing communications data gathering in their country. Brazil - one that is upset. And others. If you're a citizen of Finland or a super privacy conscious land, that's great. If you live in a country w/ not so good privacy laws (or ones that aren't enforced), are just using internet / email service in those great lands, your info might not be a private / protected as you (anyone) thought. From a privacy standpoint, it may? be somewhat better to use email servers somewhere like Finland, but it now seems apparent that it doesn't put you completely out of the long arm of the law of your own country. Depending on where you live. AFAIK, it's not illegal in most countries for its OWN agencies to spy on (in), gather data in other countries, in any manner they can possibly dream up. Quite the opposite. Which is what many countries do to each other - now, 365 days / yr. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 2013-10-20 13:19, Antispam 06 wrote: That's so cute! Can you point out some time a spy agency was brought in front of a judge for not respecting the law. The same law written in stone in some countries as «nobody is above the law». Do you know of a time when they were found guilty and punished or ever issued an appology? But The People wrote it down on a piece of paper! And worded the request very politely, I might add. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 04:05:58PM +0600, Roman Mamedov wrote: Several years down the road, when the fashionable shortener service of the day is long dead in the water, to a future reader there is no way to tell where this URL used to go, and not knowing the URL they can't even use the Internet Archive to check for an archived copy if the target site is down as well. This is one of the reasons why I always try to include full content copypasta along with the URI, and make sure that 2-3 of lists with online archives get it. Plus, there are actually braille readers out there, who can deal with pure text far easier. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
Michael Wolf: I only commented that I don't click on the tinyurls, since I have no idea where they're going. use longurl.org or someting similar to see where they go. It will expand shortened links for you and give you the end result without requiring javascript or complaining about tor. - VFEmail.net - http://www.vfemail.net $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! No bandwidth quotas! Commercial and Bulk Mail Options! -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Michael Wolf mikewol...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about anyone else -- but I also don't follow URLs hidden behind link shortening services. What's wrong with using the actual URL so people can see where they're going? These people think all of life is a text message and, just like lazy top posters, blissfully inflict their scourge on others. They also like to force eyeballs to follow them. So just don't, and continue to reject that. If it's important, you'll find out through other means. Ironic to see them using these to link to recent revelations when... - it's centralized, for easy referer and user harvesting, sales, spying, cracking, ads - it's centralized, for easy censorship, and simply losing human knowledge/links when they go out of business. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
grarpamp grarpamp (grampamp?) wrote: hese people think all of life is a text message and, just like lazy top posters, blissfully inflict their scourge on others. They also like to force eyeballs to follow them. So just don't, and continue to reject that. If it's important, you'll find out through other means. These people? Do tell. Who are these people? -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:00:23 -0400 grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: Ironic to see them using these to link to recent revelations when... - it's centralized, Irony here is that all three of you are still using GMail. :) -- With respect, Roman signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 10/16/2013 2:45 AM, Roman Mamedov wrote: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:00:23 -0400 grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: Ironic to see them using these to link to recent revelations when... - it's centralized, Irony here is that all three of you are still using GMail. :) It would only be ironic in the case of grarpamp. I only commented that I don't click on the tinyurls, since I have no idea where they're going. I don't see a problem with using a gmail address for a mailing list that is quite public and indexed by search engines. Save private email addresses for private communication. And GPG encryption works just as well with a GMail account as it does with any other provider, if one does not mind the metadata being collected. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 13-10-15 10:29 AM, Jon wrote: Another article from the Washington Post may be interested in. *http://tinyurl.com/lcdas97 Please make your emails worthwhile to read and useful to index, by providing a sentence in your own words saying what the link you are forwarding means. Failing that how about at least a headline or sentence from the article at the other end of the link? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] The NSA's problem? Too much data?
On 10/15/2013 7:05 PM, krishna e bera wrote: On 13-10-15 10:29 AM, Jon wrote: Another article from the Washington Post may be interested in. *http://tinyurl.com/lcdas97 Please make your emails worthwhile to read and useful to index, by providing a sentence in your own words saying what the link you are forwarding means. Failing that how about at least a headline or sentence from the article at the other end of the link? I don't know about anyone else -- but I also don't follow URLs hidden behind link shortening services. What's wrong with using the actual URL so people can see where they're going? -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
