Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Is there a list of confirmed working/non-working USB DAC? Thanks Gizmoh Gizmoh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56513 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sudden loss of Vol
bikerboy wrote: Hi the vol is fixed at 100% Well I can only think something has gone wrong with the digital volume control because you are getting the same faint sound from both the analogue and digital outputs, which precludes something being wrong with the analogue pre-amp circuitry. It also precludes some disaster in the digital circuits as you would not be getting any music at all, faint or otherwise! IIRC the volume control is a software / firmware implementation so I cannot think of a way of correcting it short of reinstalling the firmware and doing a factory reset. In fact if you have not reset to factory defaults yet that would be my first step anyway. I am not sure if there is a way to force a re-installation of the firmware on the Touch. On the Controller this can be done via the firmware loaded onto an SD card. Maybe somebody else can advise. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95569 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
Mnyb wrote: Was it not 100$ and we all had a laugh ? Well looking at the forum post it is just a bit of injection moulded plastic! The big cost is tooling up (creating the mould). There are a few injection moulding estimators on the web. Using a US based company, and taking a pessimistic view that the part is deemed to be complex requiring a very high precision and high gloss polish then it would cost about $52,000 to tool up. So it really does depend on how many you think you could sell. A short run of 1,000 would cost around $57 each but a run of 10,000 only about $10 each. I have no idea about demand, but I think at most you would sell low single figures of thousands worldwide. My guess is that a stock of around 5,000 would probably be all Logitech needed which comes out at around $15 a pop. Now adding in a 50% markup for profit and to cover the risk you don't sell as many as you thought (meaning you would break even if you sold 3,500) that gives a wholesale price of $22.50. Add the usual distribution and retailers markup of around 100% you get to just under $50 a pop - less if you sold direct through the Logitech on-line channels. However, if they have sold, say 100,000 Touches (not sure, just a pure guess) they could have put one in the box at an extra $5 cost. Personally I think that would have been their best policy. As an after-market extra it would have been a risky call. The Touch is not part of an integrated multi-room system with wall mounted controllers, speakers, amps etc, so it would only really be popular with the DIY fraternity rather than professional installers who make up the bulk of buyers of this kind of part. So it really would have been a case of package it as a standard part or not bother. Clearly Logitech took the less brave decision! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95571 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] New to Touch
Hi all, first visit and new to Touch. I would like to know what I should be doing here. I have just received my Touch used, and when I connect it to my cable network, it picked it up without a hick-up, that was good, but it wants to update the Software to version: 7.7.2 r9663. I did a Factory Reset and it will not let me go into the Setup Menu, goes straight to Update Software. Is it save to let it do it without being connected to a PC. Any known problems with that update anyone experienced specific problems. Trying to find out as much as I can. Thanks in Advance brentano's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95575 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
Well, you also have to see that there is very limited use for this thing. I am one of those who got a beta unit and I use it in my bathroom (there's a picture of the setup somewhere in the Touch photo thread) but the reason I could do that was that I completely re-built the bathroom when I installed it. Retrofitting is VERY hard. You need to get all kind of cables to the place, you need to be able to get the power supply hidden within the wall and you need a massive hole for all the connectors. And even then, the Touch will protrude around an inch from the wall. It may be easier in US houses with wooden walls or with a drywall, but if you've got a traditional brick or concrete wall, this thing is hard to install. So effectively used volume will probably stay low. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95571 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New to Touch
brentano wrote: Hi all, first visit and new to Touch. I would like to know what I should be doing here. I have just received my Touch used, and when I connect it to my cable network, it picked it up without a hick-up, that was good, but it wants to update the Software to version: 7.7.2 r9663. I did a Factory Reset and it will not let me go into the Setup Menu, goes straight to Update Software. Is it save to let it do it without being connected to a PC. Any known problems with that update anyone experienced specific problems. Trying to find out as much as I can. Thanks in Advance let it update the firmware/software when it offers to do this. No issues whatsoever with my two TOUCH players and the latest software/firmware. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95575 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New to Touch
garym wrote: let it update the firmware/software when it offers to do this. No issues whatsoever with my two TOUCH players and the latest software/firmware. And I assume you've already gone to mysqueezebox.com on the web, created an account. As part of the setup process you'll have to enter these mysb.com credentials. p.s. if you have issues with the latter, this may be because the prior owner did NOT disconnect the TOUCH from his own mysb.com account. This can be done by either the prior owner or ultimately logitech can do it for you. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95575 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New to Touch
and although a bit out of date (squeezenetwork is now mysqueezebox.com and SqueezeCenter is now Logitech Media Server (LMS)), these wiki's can be useful background: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Main_Page http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95575 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New to Touch
http://www.logitech.com/assets/30072/documentation.pdf This is also a good resource to explore dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95575 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sudden loss of Vol
You can also update Touch's firmware via SD card and a firmware bin file. But you can also force an update to re-update to it's current version. It will tell you that this firmware is already installed and ask if you wish to reinstall it anyway. Touch Settings Advanced Software Update toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95569 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Time
Yes, you are using the Touch's internal server if the Touch as a player is utilizing it's USB/SD. LMS server from PC/Mac, NAS, or Touch use MySB.com in the background. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New to Touch
Wow, thank you garym and dasmueller, I think that I am making progress slowly, I did as you suggested garym, downloaded and installed new software went through faultlessly also registered with mysqueezebox.com and was able to change owners at the same time, so that is all OK now. Managed to search for a bunch of radio stations works OK too, only problem I am still having is getting my USB drives to play. At the moment while trying out I am only using my headphones, not connected to any speakers as yet. Getting there I hope with your help. Many thanks brentano's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95575 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sudden loss of Vol
Hi I will try the update as you suggest Thank you will report back bikerboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56503 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95569 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sudden loss of Vol
Well I did as you suggested and the problem still is there, I have only had it less than a year so I think I will have to return it under waranty bikerboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56503 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95569 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Sudden loss of Vol
I agree that it sounds like a defect and should be repaired/replaced (likely the latter), but one more thing to check: does the loss of volume occur with internet radio as well as local music files? aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95569 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
On 6/22/2012 6:26 AM, TheLastMan wrote: Well looking at the forum post it is just a bit of injection moulded plastic! The big cost is tooling up (creating the mould). 3D printing might be a better way to go. No startup costs, and reasonable per-piece prices. Take a look at some of the items at Shapeways for examples: http://www.shapeways.com/gallery/gadgets?s=12 -- Bill ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Time
So how do I get MySB.com to run in the background? Waldo Pepper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New to Touch
brentano wrote: Wow, thank you garym and dasmueller, I think that I am making progress slowly, I did as you suggested garym, downloaded and installed new software went through faultlessly also registered with mysqueezebox.com and was able to change owners at the same time, so that is all OK now. Managed to search for a bunch of radio stations works OK too, only problem I am still having is getting my USB drives to play. At the moment while trying out I am only using my headphones, not connected to any speakers as yet. Getting there I hope with your help. Many thanks If you are attaching your USB drives directly to your TOUCH (i.e., using TinyLMS inside the TOUCH instead of LMS running on your computer or NAS, this is a bit more touchy in terms of getting it to work right. The tinyLMS is a crippled version of the software. It can work, but is certainly not the good user experience as using full LMS. You might check this post for best practices in using tinyLMS with an attached USB drive. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93845-USB-External-Hard-Drive-Library-for-Touchp=692825viewfull=1#post692825 garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95575 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Accessing Touch over WiFi
Hi On my old W7 laptop I used to be able to type 192.168.1.133 into the toolbar on Explorer and see the contents of the drive plugged into the Touch and use this for adding more music albeit slowly over WiFi. On my new laptop it switches to Firefox and tries to open a Web server which I know the Touch doesn't have and FF complains as such. Anyone any ideas on how to sort this. Nothing has changed on the Touch settings between my old and new laptop. TIA. Waldo Pepper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95577 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary
A good upgrade to the Touch can be a decent DAC. The clock inside the Touch is not that bad. John Westlake (designer of the previous DacMagic DACs , the Audiolab M-DAC and other award winning gear) has tested the SBT and found that the clock is getting re-clocked inside the Touch. That is pretty amazing for a streamer at this price point. Re-clocking is something youd expect on high-end gear. So, dont worry about the Touch clock. In my main listening setup Im using the SBT with the M-DAC. The SBT is connected with optical SPDIF to the M-DAC. Works perfect and the sound quality is excellent. Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95573 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Time
Waldo Pepper wrote: So how do I get MySB.com to run in the background? It is. If you are using LMS on your computer or LMS on the Touch, go to Internet Radio or My Apps and play something. If it plays then MySB.com is being used in the background. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95550 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary
Thanks Pascal - good to know. However with the MDAC you have the opportunity to try the EDO applet - you can alway try, then revert back to how it was if necessary. Who knows, the sound quality might go from 'excellent' to 'sublime'. stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95573 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrading the clocks in the SBT - is it necessary
stop-spinning wrote: I ask this because some are saying that putting a re-clocker (such as the so called excellent ones from Empirical Audio) make a huge improvement to the SQ of the Touch. This, to me, means that the clocks in the SBT are not of hi-end quality so an intermediary device such a high quality re-clocker needs to be installed to elevate the music performance for an audiophile when connected to an outboard DAC. If this is the case, is it not cheaper to just get the clocks upgraded inside the SBT (if necessary), because that Empirical Audio stuff is expensive (but might be worth it I guess). Other than that does Async USB mean you conveniently totally bypass the internal clocks altogether so don't need a helping hand in-between from Empirical and the likes (if you have a good async USB DAC like the MDAC?). Thanks everyone. to provide a bit of balance to those who are happy with the sound of the unmodded touch quality wise it seems to be EA overdrive EA offramp EDO mods + reclocker - I use mf vlink 192, some have reported great things using the berkely usb/spdif EDO mods + async usb dac I have clock upgrade in my touch, not sure if the EDO mods have killed off the benefit of that upgrade though. JohnSwenson has measured the touch clocks and thought that the clock upgrade was worthwhile very few dacs have the async usb designed for SQ rather than a convenient way of getting a signal into the dac which is why reclockers work, even the new nad M51 dac benefits from an external usb/spdif over the usb input. depends on your setup and requirements, for playback into a high resolving system you may notice a difference it is a fast moving area, but not too expensive to try out different things. SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95573 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
