Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
garym wrote: EDO works with 7.7.2. It only needed 7.8 if your were converting your FLAC to WAV on the server side rather than the TOUCH side. For the life of me, I really don't understand why one would want to convert from TOUCH USB to S/PDIF instead of using the TOUCH's S/PDIF. (by the way, the answer is not jitter). But we're all adults, so I hope you get it set up the way you want. And I'm not being sarcastic. I really do. But I really don't understand either. are you aware that the spdif out can be improved by changing clocks/capacitors and removing chips eg Fidelity Audio mods ? so that indicates that the Touch spdif out is not perfect as seems to be the implication. So given that the spdif out is not perfect and can be improved upon then another way to get improved sound is to bypass it by using asynch usb. It's not rocket science to understand how that might benefit the sound. I don't understand why you would post about things you have no experience of. SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Async USB Dac Experiments - testers wanted...
Triode wrote: I've just added a new kernel and updated the output selection applet. The new kernel includes: - possible work around for the rDAC issue (based on my option 2, it ignores the parameter from the dac and uses a smaller parameter - the question is whether the dac likes this..?) What is the smaller parameter? Thanks. Apparently, the Android Linux-powered Samsung Galaxy S3 has the same interworking issue with the CEntrance DACmini: http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/690#post_8827852 DanBa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93310 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
SBGK wrote: are you aware that the spdif out can be improved by changing clocks/capacitors and removing chips eg Fidelity Audio mods ? so that indicates that the Touch spdif out is not perfect as seems to be the implication. So given that the spdif out is not perfect and can be improved upon then another way to get improved sound is to bypass it by using asynch usb. It's not rocket science to understand how that might benefit the sound. I don't understand why you would post in such absolute terms about things you have no experience of and what business do you have in telling people what not to read. Of course, no S/PDIF out is perfect. S/PDIF has its issues. Whether its limitations create an audible difference in most environments is the question. I know a bit about all of this, I was just pointing out that my professional expertise was not as an engineer. And as a public forum, I'll post my opinion just like everyone else. Regarding reading recommendations, I said that I personally recommend staying away from certain sources known widely to have bad information. Note the term personally...one is free to ignore my recommendation. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Turnandcough wrote: I read that the Touch' USB output was better than its S/PDIF output. I'm very curious by nature and I needed to find out for myself. It's not night and day but I can say that adding the V-Link in the mix HAS improved the sound somewhat. It's just a bit more rounded and easier on the ears. Expectation bias? I don't think so. I also keep reading that a computer hooked up to a decent USB DAC or USB converter/DAC bests the Touch hooked up to the same DAC by a decent margin so my next step will be to connect the V-Link to a PC. I didn't want to spend a fortune on an expensive USB converter just to satisfy my curiosity. I forget who, but someone on Computer Audiophile did a review of the V-Link 192 and rated its sound quality to be about 90% of the best out there. So I when I saw it for 1/2 price on Music Direct I went for it. Hope that explains my irrational behavior. I'm not being sarcastic either. Async USB may be better when the DAC has the corresponding USB -input-, but USB spdiff converter is not the same thing you have not removed spdiff out of the picture at all , hence the whole idea seems a bit off ?? The rationale behind the existence USB/spdiff converters is to provide spdiff where there is none , from some laptop to a dac that does not have usb for example . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Mnyb wrote: Async USB may be better when the DAC has the corresponding USB -input-, but USB spdiff converter is not the same thing you have not removed spdiff out of the picture at all , hence the whole idea seems a bit off ?? The rationale behind the existence USB/spdiff converters is to provide spdiff where there is none , from some laptop to a dac that does not have usb for example . I fully agree in theory. That was what I was telling others too. Just to reiterate, though, that all of us who have tried this combo (and in my case, I had no expectation of improvement) found an improvement worth keeping, or at least reported a noticeable difference in presentation. dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Zombie wrote: Anyone know if the Micromega MyDAC will work? It has a USB 1.0 and 2.0 switch in the back... http://www.micromega-hifi.com/index.php/en/products/my-range/mydac Also interested in this although the MyDac is very new - by all reports it is fantastic. Thanks Sam Touchy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57784 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
dsdreamer wrote: I fully agree in theory. That was what I was telling others too. Just to reiterate, though, that all of us who have tried this combo (and in my case, I had no expectation of improvement) found an improvement worth keeping, or at least reported a noticeable difference in presentation. I suspect the reported differences are system dependent. When my DAC was a Cambridge Audio 840C I preferred the setup via a VLink II USB to SPDIF converter. After I switched to a DSPeaker Dual Core DAC/EQ, I preferred the straight SPDIF connection. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
guidof wrote: I suspect the reported differences are system dependent. When my DAC was a Cambridge Audio 840C I preferred the setup via a VLink II USB to SPDIF converter. After I switched to a DSPeaker Dual Core DAC/EQ, I preferred the straight SPDIF connection. Guido F. This makes a lot of sense to me, as different DACs can deal with data received very, well, differently. Thanks for the report Guido. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
Hi, I'm trying to connect my SBTouch using browser (http://192.168.1.12:9000) with success I'm having the following error : Erreur 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE) : Le serveur a mis fin à la connexion sans envoyer de données. My Win7 firewall is disabled so I guess its not an issue related with ports. I can connect to the SBTouch using putty (SSH). Already had a look at http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/16663/~/can%E2%80%99t-open-my-squeezebox-touch-software-in-my-web-browser#error without success! Many thanks for any help! sroux's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
Not understanding what you are attempting. Are you trying to connect your LMS server to your Touch player by using the LMS web UI? If yes, try connecting from the Touch itself by selecting My Music. If you are trying to connect a web browser to the Touch directly, you cannot do this. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
toby10 wrote: Not understanding what you are attempting. Are you trying to connect your LMS server to your Touch player by using the LMS web UI? If yes, try connecting from the Touch itself by selecting My Music. If you are trying to connect a web browser to the Touch directly, you cannot do this. Yes the tiny version of LMS that is running on a Touch does not have the web-UI (Touch would crash from the load due to it's tiny cpu/ram ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
Mnyb wrote: Yes the tiny version of LMS that is running on a Touch does not have the web-UI (Touch would crash from the load due to it's tiny cpu/ram ) Don't get it so what about Logitech's troubleshooting page and the following blog http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.fr/2011/11/touch-toolbox-30.html, can't I access the Logitech Media Server on the SBTouch? = tinySC I'm lost here! sroux's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
One very important thing you haven't indicated is where you are running LMS. The web interface you are trying to use for LMS only works if you are running LMS on a computer, a NAS (network attached storage) or similar _external_ device. If you are using the Touch's built-in server (also known as TinyLMS, TinySBS, or TinySC) then you cannot control it via a web browser. You can, however, control it via infrared remote, touchscreen, mobile device plus relevant app (iPeng, Squeezepad, etc) or SqueezePlay running on another computer. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
sroux wrote: Don't get it so what about Logitech's troubleshooting page and the following blog http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.fr/2011/11/touch-toolbox-30.html, can't I access the Logitech Media Server on the SBTouch? = tinySC I'm lost here! Without reading the many pages in that blog, where does it say you can access the Touch's inbuilt server via a web browser? I see mention of SSH, WinSCP, Putty, etc... which are not web browsers. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Async USB Dac Experiments - testers wanted...
DanBa wrote: What is the smaller parameter? Thanks. Apparently, the Android Linux-powered Samsung Galaxy S3 has the same interworking issue with the CEntrance DACmini: http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/690#post_8827852 I'm not convinced this is the same thing. The change I made for rDAC is in post 219: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93310-Async-USB-Dac-Experiments-testers-wantedp=70viewfull=1#post70 This is basically ensuring the interval requested for the syncpipe (the feedback connection) is not too long for the size of the ehci schedule maintained by the linux kernel - essentially it can't schedule periodic intervals which are too long as the size of the schedule held in memory means that scheduling packets into the future goes beyond the size of the schedule held. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93310 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
toby10 wrote: Without reading the many pages in that blog, where does it say you can access the Touch's inbuilt server via a web browser? I see mention of SSH, WinSCP, Putty, etc... which are not web browsers. Correct. And one of the main principles of soundcheck's blog is that for optimal sound quality the Touch should do as little processing as possible, which includes _not_ running the built-in LMS. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
New User Question: Is there a simple ( low cost) way to view and control the SBT from my listening position. The SBT Screen is too small from my listening position. I dont have any Apple related devices so the ipeng route is out. Any other devices I can use? Thanks sportflyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57767 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
sportflyer wrote: New User Question: Is there a simple ( low cost) way to view and control the SBT from my listening position. The SBT Screen is too small from my listening position. I dont have any Apple related devices so the ipeng route is out. Any other devices I can use? Thanks Android tablet? What's your price range? Cheap used iPhone or iTouch? garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
aubuti wrote: Correct. And one of the main principles of soundcheck's blog is that for optimal sound quality the Touch should do as little processing as possible, which includes _not_ running the built-in LMS. He implicitly assumes and external server as he usually also promotes the idea of decoding flac to wav/pcm on the server instead of on the Touch itself and also if you turn of the interface how to controll it ? However ,the iPhone apps or andriod apps that are around can connect to the internal server running on the Touch ? i think have not ventured to try that one . (that is not the best place to get factual information about this product , just connect it as is and enjoy :) imo ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
aubuti wrote: Correct. And one of the main principles of soundcheck's blog is that for optimal sound quality the Touch should do as little processing as possible, which includes _not_ running the built-in LMS. Ok so I'm totally wrong. Thanks for making things clear. sroux's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57788 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
You can use virtually any device with a web browser. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
sroux wrote: Ok so I'm totally wrong. Thanks for making things clear. Not totally, you got yourself a Touch :) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
garym wrote: Android tablet? What's your price range? Cheap used iPhone or iTouch? iPods ? but don't go for to old as the app may not be suported , for unknown reasons devs are not allowed to keep legacy versions of same /similar app in the store , my guess is that it is about planned obsolescence . Are Andriod stuff avaible cheaply ? Even cheaper a used netbook type computer (anyone remember those ) and a web browser Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
azinck3 wrote: You can use virtually any device with a web browser. Such as a laptop or netbook computer. If using a computer you can also use of several very good Squeezebox front end programs, such as Moose (http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove/) or Muso (http://klarita.net/muso.html), to control the Touch. ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
I recently bought a LG e400 andoid phone for 29 Euros. That is a perfect value for money remote. marlo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37542 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Optical and coaxial work perfectly up to 24Bit 192Khz when directly plugged in to my Rotel RA-12 amp. marlo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37542 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Cannot reach SBTouch through browser
sroux wrote: Ok so I'm totally wrong. Thanks for making things clear. I wouldn't say that you're totally wrong, but you do seem to be working at cross purposes if on the one hand you are (a) running the Touch's built-in server and (b) applying some of soundcheck's mods (and you didn't say you were, but your reference to the blog suggests you may be thinking about it). Also, while the principles put forth on that blog are that it is better to minimize the Touch's computing load, opinion is completely divided on whether it really makes any difference. I tried the tt 2.0 version of soundcheck's toolkit and I didn't hear any clear differences. Your mileage may vary. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97003 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
I have an old laptop running Win XP . Will that do? sportflyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57767 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
sportflyer wrote: I have an old laptop running Win XP . Will that do? Yep. Just install squeezeplay on the laptop. Then choose player in squeezeplay menu and select the touch. I use this approach much of the time. Squeezeplay is at beta downloads. Im on my phone, so someone can post a link. You can use 7.7 or 7.8. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
Does Squeezeplay , Moose or any Web interface degrade the quality of the music stream to the SBT ? sportflyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57767 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
sportflyer wrote: Does Squeezeplay , Moose or any Web interface degrade the quality of the music stream to the SBT ? Absolutely NOT! The data is streamed for the computer running Squeezebox server (SBS) or LMS to the Touch. All Squeezeplay, Moose or any Web interface does is tell the computer running SBS/LMS what music (data) to stream, when to play, when to stop, when to pause, etc. Again, they have absolutely NO effect on the quality of the music stream. ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
ralphpnj wrote: Absolutely NOT! The data is streamed for the computer running Squeezebox server (SBS) or LMS to the Touch. All Squeezeplay, Moose or any Web interface does is tell the computer running SBS/LMS what music (data) to stream, when to play, when to stop, when to pause, etc. Again, they have absolutely NO effect on the quality of the music stream. Thanks for the assurance. I will try soon and advise sportflyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57767 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Async USB Dac Experiments - testers wanted...
I updated touch to 7.8. Installed TT 3.0, installed EDO. I use HRT II+ USB DAC with hub. I am getting clicks and pops. Commented the priority line in rcs.local file as suggested by John Swenson. Still I get the clicks. Any suggestions?. lake_eleven's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93310 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Simple way to control and view SBT screen from my listening position.
sportflyer wrote: Does Squeezeplay , Moose or any Web interface degrade the quality of the music stream to the SBT ? I only want to use it as a larger controller screen than the SBT which is sitting 10 ft from my listening position. Your only problem is the fan noise from the laptop :) as ralphy explained the controll always go trough the server in all cases so it is technically the same regardless of controll location . If you noticed the Touch itself is a controller and a player , it can controll other players too if you got more than one there is an choose player menu ,so all controll goes via the server anyway and also most of the content in the menus are produced by the server so Touch does not know about your artist or such thing it's the server(s) ( you can have more than one of those to ) . After your done your playlist Touch simply gets a stream to play and some information to display on the screen while doing that. Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97005 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
