Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Spotify times out on Squeezebox
Rather than buying a Raspberry Pi or another laptop, I bought a refurb IBM desktop PC and am running Spotty/LMS on that (came with Windows 10). Issues resolved! Ocean56's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40734 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109536 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
bpa wrote: > Touch 24/96 Flac files should play OK if wireless connection is good > (i.e. strong signal, littler interference fom toehr networks and traffic > levels moderate) but some suppliers use a high-ish compression level on > Flac which can cause problems for Touch - to check you could uncompress > and recompress to level 0 Thanks - I'll give it a try. becoming a little project here :-) DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
DBart wrote: > Well, after changing the ID3 to 2.3 it still rebuffers. Even tried to > play the original FLAC fields over the touch, and they do the same > thing. May contact ChannelClassics if I'm so motivated. This just seems > like an odd issue, but again, the 24/96 files stream fine, and the files > play perfectly on my desktop system, and they will play over ethernet. > Guess I'll move my system at some point :-) Touch 24/96 Flac files should play OK if wireless connection is good (i.e. strong signal, littler interference fom toehr networks and traffic levels moderate) but some suppliers use a high-ish compression level on Flac which can cause problems for Touch - to check you could uncompress and recompress to level 0 bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
Yes, I agree. Again, thanks for all of your guidance in this project. DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
DBart wrote: > Well, after changing the ID3 to 2.3 it still rebuffers. Even tried to > play the original FLAC fields over the touch, and they do the same > thing. May contact ChannelClassics if I'm so motivated. This just seems > like an odd issue, but again, the 24/96 files stream fine, and the files > play perfectly on my desktop system, and they will play over ethernet. > Guess I'll move my system at some point :-) > > Again, thanks to all who have contributed to my dilemma, and I did get > to learn a little about Mp3tag as well. If you are trying to play greater than 24/96 files you really should have both your server computer and your touch wired via Ethernet if you cant wire the touch consider using Ethernet over powerline setup. If it works, it can often work very well. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
Well, after changing the ID3 to 2.3 it still rebuffers. Even tried to play the original FLAC fields over the touch, and they do the same thing. May contact ChannelClassics if I'm so motivated. This just seems like an odd issue, but again, the 24/96 files stream fine, and the files play perfectly on my desktop system, and they will play over ethernet. Guess I'll move my system at some point :-) Again, thanks to all who have contributed to my dilemma, and I did get to learn a little about Mp3tag as well. DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
DBart wrote: > I'll look into some options and see what works. > > Again, thank you very much for talking me through this process. I really > do appreciate it! Happy to help. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
garym wrote: > Yes that file now has ID3v2.3 tag instead of the 2.4 tag you previously > reported. > > Itunes wont play flac files. There are other players that will run on a > Mac that will, but if you prefer iTunes you cant use flac. But yes, > for squeezeboxes and LMS I find that flac files are best for lossless > files. Perhaps you can maintain two libraries, one flac for squeezeboxes > and a second for iTunes. > > In my own case, I have flac files for my home system. I maintain a > mirror library of lossy mp3 files and use iTunes for loading those on to > my iPhone or ipad for portable use. I'll look into some options and see what works. Again, thank you very much for talking me through this process. I really do appreciate it! DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
Yes that file now has ID3v2.3 tag instead of the 2.4 tag you previously reported. Itunes wont play flac files. There are other players that will run on a Mac that will, but if you prefer iTunes you cant use flac. But yes, for squeezeboxes and LMS I find that flac files are best for lossless files. Perhaps you can maintain two libraries, one flac for squeezeboxes and a second for iTunes. In my own case, I have flac files for my home system. I maintain a mirror library of lossy mp3 files and use iTunes for loading those on to my iPhone or ipad for portable use. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
garym wrote: > This is correct. So now Id do the AIFF conversions then see what tag > type shows for them. > > ps. Remind me of why you want AIFF files instead of FLAC. Squeezeboxes > handle FLAC files so much easier and better for network bandwidth, > particularly for these hi-res files. Is it because you also play these > on apple devices? Here is the window post conversion - how about that? :-) 26376 Yes, I convert all of my 192 files to AIFF because the Touch would not play them when they were ALAC, and I do have them on my iMac played through iTunes, so that is also a consideration. I know there are many other options available, but this is what I'm using at this point. I suppose I could keep a copy of the FLAC version in my iTunes library - the iMac wouldn't play it, but LMS would recognize it and stream it to the Touch? And you're saying the Touch will handle processing the FLAC file better than passing through the AIFF? Thank you very much for your help in all of this. New experience, and the Mp3tag UI is certainly not welcoming to the newbie. But it certainly works well! +---+ |Filename: Screen Shot 2018-12-26 at 11.45.43 AM.png| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26376| +---+ DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
DBart wrote: > Opened up an .m4a file and this is what it now says: > > 26375 This is correct. So now Id do the AIFF conversions then see what tag type shows for them. ps. Remind me of why you want AIFF files instead of FLAC. Squeezeboxes handle FLAC files so much easier and better for network bandwidth, particularly for these hi-res files. Is it because you also play these on apple devices? *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
garym wrote: > What you are seeing now is exactly correct. These are flac files and > mp3tag is reporting correctly that there is a single metadata tag in > each file (flac type tag) and mp3tag is reading that flac tag to report > the tag fields (artist, album, etc). So all looks good so far. If you > have any mp3 or m4a files try and open and see what it shows you. Opened up an .m4a file and this is what it now says: 26375 +---+ |Filename: Screen Shot 2018-12-26 at 11.34.49 AM.png| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26375| +---+ DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
DBart wrote: > Ok - re copied and saved. it didn't show any extra spaces, but maybe > something was there in the copy/paste. Boxes are goner, but still no > other info. > > 26374 What you are seeing now is exactly correct. These are flac files and mp3tag is reporting correctly that there is a single metadata tag in each file (flac type tag) and mp3tag is reading that flac tag to report the tag fields (artist, album, etc). So all looks good so far. If you have any mp3 or m4a files try and open and see what it shows you. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
garym wrote: > You probably copied in an extra space. Go back in to the value and > delete any spaces at the end then save. Ok - re copied and saved. it didn't show any extra spaces, but maybe something was there in the copy/paste. Boxes are goner, but still no other info. 26374 +---+ |Filename: Screen Shot 2018-12-26 at 11.17.43 AM.png| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26374| +---+ DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
DBart wrote: > Yes, all files are FLAC. I re-downloaded the files from the > ChannelClassics website and am working on them in their original state. > Will concert to AIFF if/when I get this thing going. > > I copied your Vale field exactly as you typed it. Did I moss something? > > Thanks You probably copied in an extra space. Go back in to the value and delete any spaces at the end then save. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
garym wrote: > Correct but you may have some extra spaces after the contents of the > column value entry. This is why you are getting the [] [] showing up. > Also, are the files you have open in mo3tag all FLAC files? Yes, all files are FLAC. I re-downloaded the files from the ChannelClassics website and am working on them in their original state. Will concert to AIFF if/when I get this thing going. I copied your Vale field exactly as you typed it. Did I moss something? Thanks DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
Correct but you may have some extra spaces after the contents of the column value entry. This is why you are getting the [] [] showing up. Also, are the files you have open in mo3tag all FLAC files? *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
garym wrote: > 1. in mp3tag, right click on column heading area, then select CUSTOMIZE, > then NEW to create a new column > 2. in the popup box, give the new column heading the following info: > Name: Tag Type > Value: %_tag_read%[ (%_tag%)] > leave field and sort by blank and do NOT tick "numeric" > 3. in left side of popup (tag visibility) make sure that TAG TYPE is > ticked. > 4. Then load up your files in mp3tag and in the "tag type" column you > should see first the tag type being read, and next to it a list of the > different tags in the file (that is, a file can contain multiple tag > types simultaneously). For example if you only have ID3v2.3 tags it will > show: ID3v2.3 (ID3v2.3) Thank you - followed your instructions (copy pasted your Tag Value just to be sure. here's what I get: 2637226373 +---+ |Filename: Screen Shot 2018-12-26 at 10.51.50 AM.png| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26373| +---+ DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
1. in mp3tag, right click on column heading area, then select CUSTOMIZE, then NEW to create a new column 2. in the popup box, give the new column heading the following info: Name: Tag Type Value: %_tag_read%[ (%_tag%)] leave field and sort by blank and do NOT tick "numeric" 3. in left side of popup (tag visibility) make sure that TAG TYPE is ticked. 4. Then load up your files in mp3tag and in the "tag type" column you should see first the tag type being read, and next to it a list of the different tags in the file (that is, a file can contain multiple tag types simultaneously). *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
reinholdk wrote: > For mp3 files you would chose settings like this: > > 26368 > > then select the files, remove all tags and rewrite the v2 tags (X in > menu bar, then undo). Undo would write only the v2 tags then. You can > check the tag column in the main panel. @reinholdk: I believe I followed your instructions, but still can't seem to view the ID3 version? Here is my window: 26370 +---+ |Filename: Screen Shot 2018-12-26 at 8.49.11 AM.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26370| +---+ DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
For mp3 files you would chose settings like this: 26368 then select the files, remove all tags and rewrite the v2 tags (X in menu bar, then undo). Undo would write only the v2 tags then. You can check the tag column in the main panel. +---+ |Filename: Mp3tagOptions.png| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26368| +---+ reinholdk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36070 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
slartibartfast wrote: > Pretty sure mp3tag can do it. First remove the current tags and then > write the correct version. The tag version is chosen in the settings. > > Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk @slartibartfast Thanks for the info - downloaded mp3tag. Running it on a Mac, and the interface is pretty daunting. I'll need spend some time figuring out how to navigate it, but I did find a setting for ID3 version, so maybe i'm on the right path. Thanks again. DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
DBart wrote: > I checked out Tag, Max, Tag Editor, and XLD. I can't seem to find > anything about changing the Tag Version. I'm probably missing something, > but there doesn't seem to be a way to do it? > > The only way I seem to have of even identifying the Tag Version is by > looking at the file through the LMS Web Player. This is all new to me > :-)Pretty sure mp3tag can do it. First remove the current tags and then write the correct version. The tag version is chosen in the settings. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rebuffering during playback of one 192 file
garym wrote: > There must be an option or setting in xld or max to use ID3v2.3 tags. Or > maybe iTunes changed it. Look at all these until you can get it created > as ID3v2.3 vs 2.4. I checked out Tag, Max, Tag Editor, and XLD. I can't seem to find anything about changing the Tag Version. I'm probably missing something, but there doesn't seem to be a way to do it? The only way I seem to have of even identifying the Tag Version is by looking at the file through the LMS Web Player. This is all new to me :-) DBart's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63836 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=109917 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
