Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Flextreme;602176 Wrote: I do have a specific question for you. How is the bitstream to the DAC actually improved? I fully understand the less is more concept, but does this affect/change the bitstream to cause the perceived improvements? Why do I perceive better treble extension and better imaging? Is only jitter, or is there more to it? Since the actual data won't be affected, it has to be timing - jitter effects. This would also mean that your DAC has poor jitter rejection performance. Data integrity on all Squeezeboxes has been proved by DTS cinema stream data, any changes and it doesn't decode. -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Exactly -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch hits Slickdeals - 225$ from Logitech if honored
Mnyb;535960 Wrote: In Eu you get 2 plugs the EU one and that weird UK plug ;) (is not GB a part of EU) whats wrong with the schuko conector it's is for once a very good contact. Not like US dollhouse electrics.. runs and hides.. somewhere :) There isn't an EU plug - its just close - compare Germany two pin with Italy. Admittedly ours is very bad at its job, need thicker copper cable to cool it! Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77298 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Bruce B;532602 Wrote: Yes... you're missing something... and I'm trying to defend myself again and wasting time... The digital output for both the Playback Designs MPS-5 and the EMM Labs CDSD-SE... of which we both use, is a direct DSD data stream from the ST-optical output. Unfortunately the reference you linked to doesn't mention it. http://stereophile.com/hirezplayers/playback_designs_mps-5_sacdcd_player/index4.html Regards, _ Puget Sound Studios Seattle, WA Hi Bruce, Thanks for your attempt at clarity, Mortslim just has a religious thing, I wish he would kill off his continuous inuendos. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] IRBlaster with the Touch
see here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=518771postcount=5 and here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=514451postcount=4 So it will do somethings but not full IR repeating. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76650 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
I doubt the Touch will be made capable of 24/192 but that is not the issue. Recordings are being release in 24/192 master format. Any resampling will have a deleterious effect on them. New additive errors, new applied filters. Audibility of same is personal. I think the fundamental truth is if you want to play 24/192 files as is, look elsewhere. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Can't even cancel my order!
You have no problem cancelling - UK distance selling regulations apply. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75583 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] IR pass-through to receiver?
crazyj;519498 Wrote: So does the Touch have IR-out from the headphone jack at all? Does it work if an IR-emitter is attached - a mouse emitter or IR-blaster device, to be placed in front of a component that I want to send IR to. I understand that a straight wired connection may not work. Is there any restriction on what IR commands it will actually blast? Also, can anyone suggest a resource on IR hardware, and the command structures? There seems to be precious little information on how this all works. I would really like to understand a little better. 1) The Touch does have IR out on the headphone socket. 2) It will output some IR codes if connected to an IR emitter 3) I believe straight wired should work, but Felix will probably chip in 4) It won't do ANY blasting in terms of repeating IR codes at all at this time. It needs the RAW capability within the firmware, which is not currently available. It will only send codes as described in the previous reference I gave. These being simple codes for volume and On/Off, restricted as per previous post link. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75404 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Doesn't make sense to me...
andynormancx;518097 Wrote: Maybe, but only because of the initial investment in the new product line. When the SB3 launched it was a very similar price to what the Touch will be at launch, it has come down in price over time. Besides, revamp kind of underplays the amount of effort/cost that would be involved in moving the SB3 to LCD: - some of the components in the SB3 may well not be available any more - other will be coming to the end of their production lifetime - circuit redesign and layout will be needed to account for these missing components - there are far more people around who can write Linux C or learn LUA than there are who can program the exotic CPU in the SB3 Redesign is a fact of electronic life due to obsolescence. The fact remains that the replacement of a very expensive component, the VFD with LCD should reduce BOM costs significantly. Circuit redesign is obviously something Logitech are very capable of. The architectural changes, move to LUA nd TinySC etc. seem less successful in terms of cost benefit analysis. Slim devices should be cheaper than medium / fat devices. Exotic? embedded CPUs are a way of life for many domestic products. Embedded controllers are very cost effective. Don't want a full Linux suite in my CD player Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74694 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Doesn't make sense to me...
aubuti;518195 Wrote: That's true, although even Logitech wouldn't have been dumb enough to slap an LCD on the ageing IP3K platform, so a 'revamping' of the SB3 would not be trivial. But the product direction is clearly away from slim clients and toward 'fat' clients. That does involve higher costs for the clients, but also opens the possibility of lower total costs, eg, for all those users who have been saying I want to play my music but I don't want to have to turn on my PC. This is presumably intended to appeal more to new buyers than to those of us who already have a music server running. I think with the limitations TinySC has, then total system cost reduction will only apply for a few. Anybody wanting multi-room capability is repeatably paying for a simplified server capability. IMHO it would have made more sense to minimize player cost (it is only a user interface, audio out, display and touch interface) and OEM a server like Sheevaplug. We could have continued with current plug ins etc. Anyway, I am sure that the Touch will find it's own market niche, and the good news is that the Duet continues. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74694 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] IR pass-through to receiver?
The answer is maybe with an emitter. It depends on what your HT receiver uses as IR codes. See this post, and related bugs, from the creator of the IRBlaster plugin. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=514451postcount=4 By the way he now works for Logitech Squeezebox software team. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75404 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Doesn't make sense to me...
aubuti;518268 Wrote: Why? Someone can buy one Touch and put slim players (SB3s, SBRs, Booms, or Radios) in other rooms. They can all run off TinySBS. I think your idea of continuing in the slim client direction with an OEM Sheevaplug-like server has a lot of merit, but I also suspect that 'smart clients' like Touch would have wider market appeal, which I assume is Logitech's main objective. Because TinySC can't handle the transcoding issues for playback of non native streams, so major limitations on radio stations etc. I think however, the Touch in a new world, no old players, will find significant favour in new startup users, and if plug-ins migrate to applets (too early to tell) then Touch should suit expanded larger systems. On the flip side for Logitech the choice of a Linux playback environment, and the licensing will also mean several astute users looking for new hosts for Squeezeplay, trying to substitute Logitech hardware. This has always been a concern of mine. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74694 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;517940 Wrote: The orchestras own website states: High Definition downloads available at hdtracks.com At the HDtracks website, it says: When you purchase an HDtracks file, it is the same quality as a store-purchased CD. And To really get the most benefit of an HDtracks music file you could burn a CD-R and play it on your home Hi-Fi system. And HD files are the same thing as purchasing a CD but without the disc. https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php?file=staticpagepagename=faq#1 So even though the downloads at that website are encoded at 24/88.2 or 96, apparently that company is starting with the orchestra labels CDs, then just copying them to a computer and then upsampling from 44.1 to either 88.2 or 96 and converting the bit depth from 16 to 24.But, the quality cant be improved by this method. The quality will be the same as the source material. I say apparently because there is no explanation as to the source of the downloadable files on the website. What this company is doing may be misleading. If all you are going to end up with is the same quality as a store-purchased CD, it seems the upsampling is for marketing purposes only to laypeople without the requisite knowledge to understand what is really being sold. When the website advises burning a CD from the download, you are again at 16/44.1. Please don't mislead people. The HDTracks general FAQ comment - it is the same as CD is a comment to differentiate from MP3 or AAC files downloaded from Amazon or Apple etc. In that way all their downloads are high resolution (at least 44.1 16bit lossless). They also have higher resolution masters. I accept their FAQ is inadequate, but I hope you are not suggesting that they are just upsampling. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] FLAC vs Apple Losseless
iwannatouch;516797 Wrote: I'm in the process of archiving my music (both downloads and CDs) and I decided to convert everything that wasn't mp3 into m4a files. This includes all my wav, aiff, ape, and flac files. My goal is to reduce the amount of space needed to store my music on an external hard drive, and to simplify the data I want my Touch to process by having only two different file formats (mp3 and m4a). Is there anything wrong with my logic? I read somewhere that m4a might be easier for hardware to process than flac. I believe the m4a format is native to the Touch, so I won't need additional software to convert files when I play them. I should mention that I'm all-Mac at home. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. I am all Mac, but frustrations with continuous iTunes updates led me to standardizing on FLAC, this providing maximum flexibility for future changes, which now I have a Linn DS has been very effective. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75235 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
Maybe Logitech should OEM a Sheevaplug, we might get a real server, and no issues with TinySC and all the this doesn't work, this is different etc. IMHO the Touch is neither a slim device or a full device - it's in some no man's land, with excessive compromises. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Power supply requirement for Touch?
baardbaard;515895 Wrote: I have golden ears. I started this thread with a simple question could you please stay on topic? No you didn't, you started with a highly opinionated statement expressed as a fact, then you asked a question which has had an answer. Phil has at least shown his results of comparison. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75092 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] IR blaster and Touch
Sorry to be a little dense, does that pre-programmed controller mean Logitech pre-programmed, or external party. Again, is the Touch ever going to support IR Blaster functionality for RC5 coded devices or not? Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74938 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] IR blaster and Touch
I was looking at the case for volume control of an RC5 command amplifier, being transcoded from standard SB remotes or iPeng Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74938 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] IR blaster and Touch
Hi Felix, Will the RAW and RC5 receiving ever get fixed, or is it inherently impossible? Bit of a shame as a lot of European HiFi is RC5 codes. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74938 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
I hope you realise that Logitech are not supporting USB DAC outputs, only storage devices - discs and USB sticks. You will need John Swenson's Applet to achieve your goals, or you are back to SPDIF. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
Sorry don't see why Logitech should get an easy ride. Let's not get into fanboy syndrome. The Squeezebox system is great. But Logitech management has significantly redirected skilled development resources to other projects, whilst adding in some contractors. This at a time of maximum change in the portfolio and the technology it uses. Cutting slack for 'we underestimated, it will be delayed' is reasonable. But actions since these delays took hold are management controlled. I have worked my whole career in the technical product sector. I cannot believe that the attitude to their customer channels is so cavalier. If the distribution channels lose confidence or allegiance then we all suffer. The products the few that frequent these forums love and continue to purchase, will not keep the business afloat. What is really impressive is the way that the now restructured resources working on the project remain upbeat and productive. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
I think there might be an issue with decoding algorithm for FLAC, let alone others. The CPU isn't up to transcoders, so it may be marginal on 24/192. We know the Transporter is marginal on max compression 24/96 FLACs in certain cases. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] amazon cancelled today
I assume that Amazon will have internal rules about their order book accounting, they probably need to clear orders that have indeterminate fulfillment date. In the current situation I believe you have three options: Look elsewhere - I doubt you will find a multi-room solution that operates better than Squeeze stuff. The issue is future confidence, Logitech is a major player, they must be committed, they will get there. IMHO while AndyG keeps going it will happen. Wait - if you currently have nothing, then not that practical. Substitute an SB3 - reliable, loads in use, very good (in my opinion for my usage better). Either distribution for last stock or E**y. I have a Linn DS system for my main HiFi but continue to use SB3s and Booms for house coverage, and I will buy more. (I don't personally believe in the Transporter future) Hang in there. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74273 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] To those who have pre-ordered the Touch from Logitech
Don't get too carried away with 'what does this mean' Andy as usual being honest and straight to the point: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74117 Some reality at last, it's good to see care and attention being given. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
dave77;504153 Wrote: Do we have any news from CES yet, did it start yesterday? Yes they have a cooler / loudspeaker tray, its for Touch 2 with a real processor OS ;-) -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
In a vacuum anything will expand out of all proportion. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch start up time?
aubuti;496485 Wrote: Do you also unplug your microwave, tv, router, and other appliances when not in use? In the UK man people have been investing in 'standby savers', remote switches that disconnect mains from multiple devices. Energy Star devices have to achieve standby figures of 1W or less. I don't disconnect any of my Squeeze devices (too inconvenient), but do switch off DAC, CD and amplifiers, They consume very significant standby power, over 12W per device! Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72685 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch start up time?
Without trying to seem Continentist?, our American colleagues have cheap energy. Only recently has considerations of energy saving become an issue. Forget Global Warming the US is no longer self sufficient in energy, so you will have to change as the global economic energy situation starts to have an effect on the local pricing policy. Product lines that depend on international sales need to meet energy conscious criteria, or limited sales. It's all about common sense, not wasting resources if there is no need to. It is interesting about Europeans on this Forum very interested in WOL and server sleep issues. I am reasonably sure that time will increase agreement on these issues, economic ans social pressures, independent of global warming. -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72685 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] TinySC iTunes?
There appears to be a fundamental issue for iTunes users - no transcoding of Apple formats are supported. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67522 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
