[SlimDevices: Touch] bad lightning storm - touch display black (uh oh)
Thinking we had a power surge that may have fried my Touch. With Touch plugged in I can still see some red light coming from back. Does this unfortunately mean that it's not the power supply that is fried but the Touch itself? Already tried rebooting and resetting with no results. *Soft mods*: SC TT 2.0 + Dynaudio's mods *Components*: Squeezebox Touch (analog outs) - Rega Mira 3 - Boston Acoustics VR2s - Rel T2 sub, D-Link hub between touch & server *Cables*: VH Audio Spectrum (Cu) RCAs, Chord Rumour speaker wire, custom neutrik speakon cable (sub) *Power*: Touch stock power supply with SBooster filter VH Audio Flavor 4 power cable x2 (amp and sub) stock DLink power supply Porter A/C Ports *Server*: Squeezebox server on Windows 7, Core2duo Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104172 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Disabling WLAN on Touch
JezA;620451 Wrote: > or ... > > just buy a Linn DS player. > > no WLAN to disable > no displays to disable > no USB s/pdif or toslink before the DAC or run Soundcheck's toolbox and save $3,000. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86201 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wireless vs Ethernet. Any sound quality differences?
So Phil, can I at least take your advice regarding the shielded cable seriously? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82026 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any experience with the "Best of Two Worlds Solution" supply
Phil Leigh;616484 Wrote: > What rough price range were you thinking of? > Are you in the UK? > If so, I have something that interest you... No, I'm U.S., unfortunately. My price range would be as cheap as possible. :) But seriously, something up to 100 USD would be ideal if that is feasable. I thought you believed the stock pc of the Touch was fine and didn't need to be changed? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81712 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any experience with the "Best of Two Worlds Solution" supply
Phil Leigh;616468 Wrote: > http://www.boldercables.com/servlet/-strse-395/%22Standard%22-Linear-Power-Supply/Detail > http://www.welbornelabs.com/squeeze.htm > > http://www.audioelevation.co.uk/Cartv3/Details_options.asp?ProductID=513 > > http://www.audiocominternational.com/ttouch-squeezebox-p-175.html Thanks, Phil. Anything cheaper, though? :) For instance, do any DIY'ers on the board make them for others at a cost less than those? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81712 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Any experience with the "Best of Two Worlds Solution" supply
Where could I buy a relatively cheap linear power supply solution to replace the stock cable? I have no DIY-abilities of my own for a project like this. Does anyone else make or sell these at a reasonable price? Already know all the arguments from cable-naysayers, so not really interested in those types of comments, or their comments to this comment. :) Just would like some non-snarky alternative cord suggestsions. Anyone? :) -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81712 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wireless vs Ethernet. Any sound quality differences?
Phil Leigh;577057 Wrote: > I agree "the truth is in the listening". I defy anyone to prove - or > even claim! - that they can hear a difference between a properly > working ethernet or Wlan connection. > > Curiously, if anything there is more of a chance of the ethernet > sounding worse due to some people stupidly using cat6 SHIELDED cable! So I have a techie outfit coming to my house to wire it with Cat6 this Thursday. I guess I should verify they are using un-shielded? Or can I assume they will? Hyptothetically, if they used shielded, and it ran to an ethernet switch first before reaching my Touch, and the cable from the switch to the Touch was unshielded, would that setup still be "bad" or would it avoid problems? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82026 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
toby10;612125 Wrote: > Once you connect two network devices you have created a "network", wired > or wireless. > Your wife's laptop wired to Touch was a two item "network". > > What you are proposing is another two piece wired network of VBA to > Touch. > What people are suggesting is to add a router to simplify your network > configuration (this is a primary point of routers). > > So you will have an all wired "network" of VBA > router > Touch > No WiFi or access to your internet needed, just your VBA music server & > Touch, connected by a router. >>>No WiFi or access to your internet needed<<< Ok, thanks. This was the answer I was seeking. I may have missed the answer (likely), but when I was trying to nail people down on whether the router would still need to be connected to the Internet it seemed like the conversation would drift to the topic of why I didn't want to connect my Touch to the rest of my home (Internet) network. I guess I'm confusing the meaning of the term "network"...wrongly thinking it automatically includes Internet connection. Ok so I could stick a router between a VBA and the Touch and it would likely work. Would an ethernet "switch" accomplish the same thing? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
rgro;612122 Wrote: > Actually, a better recommendation would be to spend a few dollars on > getting someone who's network savy out to your house---the Geek Squad > folks would be one such resource. Just tell them what you want to do > and I'll bet they'll have it figured out in 10 min...for these guys > this is child's play. I just did exactly this. Not Geek Squad, but a company that specializes in this. Sounded like it would only cost about $125 plus 20 cents a foot for the CAT6 cable. Not bad. It would be worth it because I could also use the hardwire connection to my home theater setup as well (on the same floor as my stereo). Next question now -- if I get this done and can connect directly to my network (that has my main computer on it with over a TB of free hard drive space), why do I need a VBA? I don't mind leaving my main computer on. I do this a large part of the time anyway. What are the advantages of adding a VBA to such a setup? Just more storage and less power-usage? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Maybe I should just pay a professional electrician to wire my house. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612118 Wrote: > Then I respectfully submit something is not hooked up properly (and > hooking the touch to the netbook doesn't even make any sense...that's > not how it works, so I'm not sure what you were listening to), but I > won't argue the point, to each their own. > > > > > No I'm not really recommending this. Even with a new DAC, you'll need a > computer to run some software to stream music to the DAC. The TOUCH is a > wonderful player, with a very good internal DAC. But if you want to use > the TOUCH, it needs to talk to a computer that is running > SqueezeBoxServer and has access to your music library. Now if you don't > want that computer, you have the choice of using the TOUCH's internal > "tinySbS" and hook a USB drive with your music to the TOUCH itself. But > the TOUCH needs a SERVER (either its own tiny server or some other > computer on your local network acting as the server). I meant DAC + computer. My issue is connecting to a network. I won't be doing that. So I'm looking for my best solution. I liked the Touch's DAC and analogue outs so I'd prefer just to use THAT. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Phil Leigh;612107 Wrote: > I don't see how this makes sense. If you can wire a Touch to a VBA, you > can wire a touch to a router and wire the router to the VBA. It's one > extra cable. No need for any wi-fi... But I can't wire the router to a newtork. So would it be doing any good? That's my ultimate question right now. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612104 Wrote: > i don't want to get into the other debate either. But I do just have to > say, that if the network connection isn't good (whether wifi or > ethernet, or homeplug, etc.) it doesn't "degrade" sound quality. It > causes dropouts, silence, excessive buffering, etc. It doesn't "reduce > soundstage, remove depth, etc.). Bits are bits and no one should try to > adapt analog music connection issues to digital transportation of bits. > If the WIFI is strong, the bits arriving at the TOUCH will be identical > to the bits arriving via ethernet. But again, I know you didn't want to > go there, so I'm not expecting a response on this. My only response is this theory hasn't been validated by my experience. When I hooked up my wife's netbook for the first time directly to the Touch, I expected it NOT to sound any different. I was a skeptic. But I believe what I heard was much different. That's all I can say. > But to answer your question. No. you can't use the VBA the way you are > wanting to. You might as well hook your netbook (with music on it, or > connected via USB drive) up near your DAC, connect the netbook to the > DAC, the DAC to the stereo, and leave the TOUCH out of the equation. > There is no internet radio you can get via the touch that you can't > just get on your netbook with about any player (foobar2000, winamp, > itunes, etc.) Ok, this is good to know. I feel kind of stupid now (or more stupid). My situation would be at this point I don't have a DAC or a netbook/computer (other than one 'borrowed' from my wife). But I do have a Touch. So you're saying I should unload the Touch and pick up a new DAC? Oh boy. Back to square 1. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Another question -- am I crazy? :p -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612093 Wrote: > No, I think you are misunderstanding how this works. You're making this > harder than it needs to be: > > you have an internet connection coming into your house via a modem. > 1. from modem, connect a short ethernet cable connecting to the input > of a router (the WAN port). This feeds the internet to your router. > 2. Place your VBA next to your router and connect the VBA with ethernet > cable to one of the routers other ports (doesn't have to be a VBA, could > be any computer, netbook, etc.just something that runs SbS and has > access to your music files) > 3. If you don't want WIFI in the house, just turn off the WIFI part of > the router. > 4. now, in a separate room, you have your stereo setup. Connect your > TOUCH to this via analog out or digital out to your DAC. But somehow > the TOUCH needs to talk to your network (router). You can do this via > WIFI or you can do this with ethernet. Because you don't have ethernet > at the stereo location, you can get it there by HOMEPLUGS (ethernet > over powerline). That is, you connect one homeplug by your router. Run > ethernet from the homeplug to your router. Connect another homeplug > near your stereo. Run ethernet from that homeplug to your TOUCH. Setup > touch to work with ethernet connection and your done. The TOUCH will > access your own music (the music sitting on your computer running SbS, > which could be the VBA) or internet radio. Even the internet radio will > be via the SbS running on your system. > > Bottom line: You need a home network. Not having ethernet near your > stereo is NOT a reason to avoid having a home network. And a home > network does NOT have to include WIFI if you don't want it to. But not > sure why you wouldn't want WIFI too, for other devices (iphones, > itouch, other smart phones, laptops, etc.). Use WPA for wifi security > and you don't have any security problems anyhow. I've tried ethernet over powerline and I feel the sound quality degrades significantly over a direct ethernet connection. WIFI is fine in my home for other purposes but I don't want to stream my music via wifi. As I was trying to indicate earlier, *why* I don't want to is a whole 'nother debate that I'm not really trying to get started right now. :) Bottom line is this -- I know I can do what I want to do via a netbook connected directly to the Touch. It's already worked. I want to find a way to use a VBA or similar appliance in the same fashion that I have already done with the netbook. How do I do it? :P If I can just buy a $10-$40 device to stick in between them, I'll gladly do it. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;612065 Wrote: > And if you do mean to use the VBA and Touch that way, you could wire it > directly. It will be a bit of a hassle because that's not the way most > networking is done, but it's do-able. But you could just as easily > (EDIT: _much_ more easily) pop a $40 router between the VBA and Touch, > turn off the wifi on the router, and run ethernet from the router to > the VBA and from the routher to the Touch. No wireless needed. > > Alternatively, if the VBA is going to be wired on the home network, > then you can get away with a $10 ethernet switch. Both the VBA and the > Touch would plug into the switch, and the switch would connect to the > router. Thanks for the replies. I feel like I'm making "progress". :) On option #1 above here, does the router have to be connected to my modem? If I put an ethernet switch between the VBA and Touch alone, without any connection to my home network, would that suffice? Basically what my situation comes down to is this -- my stereo "listening system" does not have wired access to my home network, and enabling it as such with some new wiring doesn't seem feasible at this time. And I do not want to connect wirelessly. I also prefer ethernet connection to use of standalone HDD connected via USB. I want to use the Touch on my listening system because I like the use of its analogue outs, and I do like the ability to stream Internet radio (yes, wirelessly for that) into my amp via these analogue outs. And I like its overall functionality. So the easiest way to plug a 'server' directly into the Touch is what I'm looking after. If I can use a VBA with an ethernet switch between them I'm all for that. If I can't connect them through any intermediary that itself is not somehow connected to my home network, then I might just go back to using a netbook, which has already proven that it works. I just would prefer using a VBA, or similar device, at this point. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612058 Wrote: > not sure, but the VBA is a great way to run SbS. I use one (but my VBA > is connected to my router, and my SB Players are connected to my router > (via ethernet or wifi). The SB player is not directly connected to VBA. > none of my business, but not running a router makes life more difficult > than it need be in terms of the SB system Yah, it seems that way. I just can't go that way without going wirelss with the Touch, and without getting into that debate :), I just don't want to go that way. Knowing nothing about computers myself really, I still find it odd that the concept of plugging a Touch directly into a computer seems so odd to everyone else. :) -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
mlsstl;611978 Wrote: > Quite possibly. A router or switch will automatically adjust for the > correct connection. > > In the "old days" a crossover cable was needed if one directly > connected two computers without going through a switch or hub. It is > quite possible that even some more recent network cards do not have > this automatic adjustment. > > BTW, a few months ago I needed to replace a faulty 5 port switch. The > replacement cost me about $15, brand new including shipping, on eBay. I just ordered this. http://www.digitalet.com/Items/NET-DGS-1005D-GREEN Hopefully this is useful. Another question -- would I run into these same problems connecting the Touch directly into a Vortexbox Appliance? I might be able to get one used now at a reasonable price. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Sorry to keep bumping this -- but would a crossover cable or adapter solve my problems? http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimited-Cat6-Crossover-Adapter/dp/B00030BYJI -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Talked to Squeezebox support -- they said it is probably an issue with the network card on the Shuttle. They seemed a little miffed about my setup that didn't involve connecting to either a modem or a router. But when I told them that the netbook had no problem, they said it sounded like a network card issue. Shuttle support was no help. Although they did confirm for me that it only had Fast Ehternet and not Gigabit Ethernet as advertised on Newegg. Another disappointment. This may be going back. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;611728 Wrote: > If my wife's laptop did have a static ip it was not set up by either of > us. > > I will try to google, but any quick quides/tips for setting up statip > IPs on both the Shuttle and the Touch? I'm having some problems with this. I tried setting what I thought was a static ip address on the Shuttle, and then entered that manually on the Touch, and does not work. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
tcutting;611727 Wrote: > This is not too surprising if you are just directly connecting the > Shuttle to your touch, or not connecting it to the ethernet at all. > Typically you would connect to a router which is running DHCP, and is > therefor serving IP addresses. Is your wife's laptop setup with a > "static" IP address? I imagine in the configuration your trying to > have, you will need to setup static (manual) IP addresses in both the > Shuttle server and in your Touch. If my wife's laptop did have a static ip it was not set up by either of us. I will try to google, but any quick quides/tips for setting up statip IPs on both the Shuttle and the Touch? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
So I finally got my Shuttle "barebones". Installed Windows 7 and SBS on it. When I hook it up to the Touch via ethernet and try to connect via ethernet, get this message: "We were unable to find a DHCP address for the network." Then I'm asked to try again, re-enter password, or enter IP information manually. This didn't happen when I plugged my wife's netbook in. It worked right away. I'm sure I'll figure this out eventually, but anyone offer some tips that might save me some time in resolving this? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
BTW, it looks like the Shuttle XS35-704 model is back up to $290 at Newegg, but last check Amazon still had it at $270 shipped. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;609839 Wrote: > Interesting box. *I don't understand why they call it "barebones" when > it includes RAM, HDD, and DVD drive, but whatever.* I don't think > you'll regret having more RAM and HDD space than you think you need > now. Enjoy. Yeah I thought that strange, too. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Wanted to follow-up and say thanks again to everyone for all the great input. This really is a great forum. Also, wanted to say that, after some more vigorous research and tearing my hair out going back-and-forth with different options and possibilities, I finally decided on a "server" solution that I'm pretty excited about. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101096 Ends up being a little pricier than I wanted, but I had the option of going with the model one step down with half the storage and RAM and without the optical drive for only $175 shipped (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101095) Was very pleased with these options as they saved some $s over the Vortexbox Appliance. I do lose out on HDD size and the CD-ripping ability, but I gain in processor power and RAM. A good tradeoff for me as my library is only 130 GBs and I don't see myself doubling it any time soon. Love that it's fanless. MUCH better option than looking at some of the old outdated Vostro desktops I thought. It also has Gigabit ethernet which the netbooks I was looking at did not. Another consideration was going with one of the barebones combos that included CPU/processor, and then just adding the HDD and RAM myself, but in the end I felt the savings weren't large enough to overcome the convenience and nice design of what I was getting. Thought I'd share for anybody else in the market in a similar situation. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Phil Leigh;608764 Wrote: > No it isn't. You should hear it right now! :) It's singing to me! It's awesome. :) -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Apesbrain;608706 Wrote: > I use that exact HP desktop in my home office and it is not quiet enough > to be in your listening room. Fans run continuously regardless of load. THANK you for that information. Very helpful and lucky to find someone with first-hand account. Tyvm. The netbook I'm running now still makes virtually no discernible noise. Perhaps I'll just get another one(although not in pink). I have an old Rotel CDP and some Chord Co. Silver Siren interconnects still sitting around that I'll now not be using with the new setup, and they should pay for a good hunk of the new netbook, plus clear out some space. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
andynormancx;608686 Wrote: > This cheap server isn't going to be in the room you are listening, right > ? No it will be. But I will be cognizant of noise. My wife's netbook that I am using now for example makes no noise. I got it refurbished from Newegg for $200, so at the very worst I'll just get another one of those. Any thoughts on if this would work http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/HP/HP-Compaq-dc7700-PC-Core2-p9452081.html -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Well turns out I possessed and had used an ethernet powerline adapter without even knowing it. I had a SlingLink to connenct a Slingbox to the Internet. Didn't even realize what it *was* and that it could be used with other equipment. So I used it to connect my Touch to my main computer upstairs. Unfortunately I think I sill much prefer the netbook (or whatever I end up replacing it with) direct ethernet connection. So it seems again it's either "drilling holes and dropping wire" or finding a cheap server solution (for me, $200 or under). Either way it's a good dilemna because I'm loving the sound I'm getting. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
iPhone;608565 Wrote: > Hello Howard, nice topic and discussion you have going here. Trust me, > there is absolutely no difference between which method you choice > (Ethernet, WiFi, Powerline Ethernet, Cable Ethernet) to do when it come > to the music/audio quality, none period! Is this opinion universally held here? Trust me I didn't expect to hear much of a difference when I tried the ethernet connection -- I stubbornly had been running a HDD directly to the Touch for months cause I didn't think there would be a difference -- but was completely blown away when I tried it. Since I have it connected via ethernet, I literally haven't turned the music off during waking hours, it sounds so much better. It is smoother, less-fatiguing, and if I may mix metaphors, sounds like the difference between 'listening in 2d' vs. 3d. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;608560 Wrote: > Is the ethernet jack in the wall already connected to something else, or > is just the faceplate and jack with no cable running out? If it's just a > "placeholder" then part of the job is done. If it's an interior wall and > a straight drop down then it should be pretty easy, especially if your > wife can deal with the dry wall at the other end :-) No it's handling the DSL connection to my computer. But I figure the 'hole' is already there and I could remove the plate to run wire down and replace with a dual jack plate? It's not an interior wall, though. :( -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Also do you use an 85 mbps or 200 mbps? Unless I find out differently I'd probably be inclined just to try 200 mbps to be safe. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
cjfreitag;608552 Wrote: > I agree with this. The main advantage to hardwiring is going to be the > added bandwidth and avoidance of dropouts. I can't say that my Touch > sounds any better since I wired it up, but I don't get any dropouts > when listening to high bitrate files (FLAC audio or 320k radio > streams] > > > > I almost went the powerline route, but after reading a lot online I > concluded that the MoCa (internet over coax) was a better solution for > me given the age of my house and the state of its wiring. Here is the > hardware I went with: > http://www.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/MCAB1001.aspx Thanks. My entire library is FLAC or 320 kbps mp3 (I figure that's what most people aronund here have). Would that be problematic? I guess I could try out the powerline adapter and return if doesn't go well. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;608541 Wrote: > Pretty easy if it is an interior wall, and more challenging if it's an > exterior wall because exterior walls tend to be filled with insulation. > In either case it's good to know if any plumbing or electrical lines run > in the space you're looking at. A 'fish tape' > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_tape) is a handy tool when pulling > wires through walls. > > Personally I hate doing plaster or drywall stuff (my wife hates it more > when I do it) so I end up using surface mount jacks on the baseboard. I > terminate the cable using RJ-45 jacks like these > (http://www.broadbandutopia.com/levquicsnapc1.html). For a simple > direct connection I use a 'surface mount housing like this' > (http://images1.cableorganizer.com/leviton/surface-mounts/images/02-2-port.jpg)). > I think 'flush-mounted wall plates' > (http://www.vpi.us/catacc-plates.html) look better, but they involve > cutting into the wall. > > Some people don't use any jacks, and instead have a cable with the > RJ-45 plug sticking out of the wall or floor like a pigtail. Don't do > that. Not only is it ugly, but using the jacks is much more flexible, > as you can put the equipment anywhere you want, and then use an > ethernet patch cord of the correct length to connect to the jacks. TYVM. Appreciate the insight/knowledge. I am not too handy, but my bro-in-law is somewhat handy (as is my wife... she does all the drywall, lol). I'll talk it over with them to see if they think it is feasible. The computer room already has an ethernet jack in the wall that would run down to the touch. And if fact, the computer is almost directly above the Touch and the audio system. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
andynormancx;608538 Wrote: > It doesn't matter whether your data is delivered by from your computer > by direct Ethernet cable, powerline Ethernet or wifi. The same data > will still be transferred and so the quality of the transmitted data is > identical. This is easily testable and provable. > > Some people will say they can hear the difference between different > types network connections. In theory the different devices involved > could introduce different levels/qualities of electro magnetic > interference, which could in theory effect the performance of the audio > side of the player. Whether you believe that such differences are > audible or that one is "better" than another is up to you to decide. > > If I were you I'd opt for the powerline Ethernet approach. Get a couple > of 85mb/s Devolo adapters. They are the easiest bits of network kit > you'll ever use, plug them in and 2 seconds later you'll be up and > running. If I WERE one of those anti-science voodoo believers that believes in differences in sound quality among differing connections ;) . would the powerline Ethernet be closer to the wifi or closer to hard-wired Ethernet? i.e, if I already don't like the wifi, would powerline Ethernet set me up for similar disappointment? Or is it known to be fairly similar to hard-wired Ethernet? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;608524 Wrote: > Yes, although the holes in the floors and ceilings are generally done > _inside_ the wall. It's not as if there is an ethernet cord hanging > from the ceiling when you're done. Instead it runs to a wall plate on > the wall or baseboard. Just like we've been doing with telephone lines, > electrical wiring, and cable tv for years. Frequently it is a real pain > to do it in existing construction, but I've been surprised how many > easy routes I have found to add ethernet around the house without > opening up a wall. And of course when we did an addition the cat5e > cable went in while the walls were open. The room housing my primary computer is directly above the room with the Touch and audio system. So could I drill a hole in the wall (eventually installing a wall plate) and drop a wire down through the wall? :) How easy or hard would that be to run the wire down? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Mnyb;608466 Wrote: > *Remember that you can run very long ethernet cables trouble free.*A > typical setup is ethernet to the router from Touch and then also > ethernet cable from the server to the router, server can be tucked away > anywhere. > > Remember that squeezeboxserver web-ui is avaible to all computers on > your local network, not only on the computer it is running on. The Hd > with the music can be mounted as a network share also remotely avaible > whatever you run as server does not to have monitor or keyboard other > than during the initial setup. > > So thats a popular solution here :) turn any old clunker into a server > and put it into the basement. > There is 1000 ways to do it, so investigate some more So do people drill holes in their floors and ceilings and run the ethernet cable that way? Is that what you mean? I don't know if I really want to go to that kind of trouble. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
My wife's netbook has 1gb. Would it be unheard of to dedicate a netbook solely for this? (anybody else on this forum ever do it?) Gerry123;608463 Wrote: > Cheaper to go powerline ethernet adapters. IMHO. I had never heard of this. Looks quite intriguing. Would it provide the same 'quality' of signal as a direct connection to a computer? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
krochat;608447 Wrote: > Yes, with 2 caveats: > > 1) It needs more memory - probably 1 GB. Since it has 4 memory slots, > so that will cost another $30 or so. > > 2) The Vostro is a business machine and may have a relatively noisy fan > - so you should have a backup plan to put it outside the listening room > > Regards, > Kim They have another one with 500 mb. Do you think that would be sufficient if nothing else was running on it, or do you still think a full gig? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
I posted a thread this morning about connecting a HDD directly to the Touch and preferring its sound to streaming it wirelessly. Even went so far as to consider 'upggrading' the usb cable :) (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85405) Well I figured before I do that I should figure how this thing sounds hooked up via ethernet to a computer running the SBS. Had never tried this because my home computer is on a different level of the house and hadn't been imaginiative enough to consider cheap server possibilities. Anyway, I put a good amount of music on my wife's netbook, installed SBS, and plugged it in via ethernet. And WOW! I don't think I'll be going back to running TinySB or to streaming wirelessly ever again if I can help it. I have run my system before on a Rega Apollo cd player and other Rotel players and frankly I think this is the best it has ever sounded. Only problem is I can't use my wife's netbook forever. What cheap solutions are out there for me. Would this work? http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/Dell/Optiplex-GX270/Dell-Optiplex-GX270-Computer-p9463103.html -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] upgrading USB cable (or power supply)?
Phil Leigh;608307 Wrote: > sorry... you're thinking of upgrading the USB cable connecting your disk > drive? - it won't make ANY difference to the sound! Yes, and thanks, I wasn't sure wheter it would, either. I didn't think spending more on "audiophile" rca interconnects could be worth the money, either, until I tried some and thought quite clearly that they were worth it. kgturner;608314 Wrote: > I suggest you try it for yourself and see if you hear a difference and > then decide if any difference you may or may not hear justifies the > price of admission. Asking for opinions here about upgrading cables > will typically end up with people who've never tried them telling you > they're not worth it. Personally, I don't think high end USB cables are > justified, but I haven't used one so who am I to really say? Good luck > and let us know. > > Kevin T Thanks. Yeah, I might just try out the $20 ones I've seen and see how that works. Going from streaming wirelessly to the hard drive/usb method I think has upgraded sound quality noticeably. So after that I thought I'd try to firm up any other weak spots in the setup. The crappy stock usb from the hard drive to the Touch seemed like a natural area to scrutinize. But I know nothing about engineering or DIY audio and so have not the faintest idea if this is a silly inquiry, due to the nature of USB data transfer, etc., or not. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85405 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] upgrading USB cable (or power supply)?
I finally have an external hard drive hooked directly into my Touch working properly. I am using analog outs on the Touch into a Rega Mira 3 integrated amp. I have very nice interconnects that I like between the Touch and the amp, so my question is now if I would gain any value upgrading the USB cable? I'm not looking at anything silly. Just like $15-$20 for a very solid, well-made one, or there is a hand made one on Audiogon for like $49. Any thought to whether this would benefit my setup? Also is there any final verdict on whether upgrading the power supply has any benefit? (if so are there any cheap solutions for under $100?) -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85405 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue vs. digital outs
Thanks for the feedback in this thread. It was very helpful. I've had my Touch now for two weeks and it was everything I was hoping for (and more). Has really revolutionized my home listening experience. I hadn't even been using my system for a while and now I'm listening almost daily. And specifically as far as the analogue sound through the touch vs. my old Rotel CDP, there really has been little falloff falloff in sq to my ears, and in some areas there may even be gains. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80814 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] URLs of 192k bitrate internet streams?
A belated thanks! Awesome application. I really like my new Touch. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81206 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] URLs of 192k bitrate internet streams?
Does anyone have any they can share? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81206 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Best external hard drive configuration for squeezebox touch with 20k+ flacs
How is the sound quality using a usb drive connected directly to the touch vs. streaming wirelessly from computer? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80516 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue vs. digital outs
Thanks, guys. If it's good enough for a Naim system, it should be good enough for mine. One is already on the way. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80814 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue vs. digital outs
Phil Leigh;565395 Wrote: > What is the rest of your system? I have a Rega Mira 3 integrated with VH audio spectrum interconnects (love these almost as much as my Mira), and Boston Acoustic VR-3 speakers. Currently using a Rotel CD player that I'll more or less be supplanting with a Touch (or Transporter). Also use Chord Company Odyssey speaker wire. It's a modest system by some audiophile standards, but I really love it and I think it offers great bang for the buck. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80814 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Analogue vs. digital outs
I am seriously consider adding a Touch to my stereo system. If I did, I'd be interested in using the analogue outputs. How good are they on the Touch? If I was really wanting fantastic analogue sound should I look more towards the Transporter instead? (I hope the answer is no because I really don't want to spend that extra money). -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80814 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
