Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
I should also add that recently Squeezebox Server simply stops playing. I can do this 2 or 3 times immediatly when playing an album or wait for a hour or so before it happens. Everytime it happens the web interface shows that the track is still playing, each of the Squeezeboxes themselves show that the track is continuing to play. However, the audio stops! To get it going again I have to click on the PLAY arrow. This makes playing a Playlist all the way through impossible. Why is this happening??? -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
I should also add that if I stop the track from the server first before shutting the server down. Once the server is shut off the touch screesn sasy NOT PLAYING -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
Yes, it's a bug. I see the same thing (running SbS 7.6 and 7.6 firmware). It's easy to test: just halt the server program on the server while a song is playing on the Touch. It plays out the buffered data, then goes silent while it continues to 'think' and act like audio is playing. When it gets to the end of the track it then just hangs there in the NP screen, never goes into the stopped state and never displays the stopped screensaver. The reason that nobody else has noticed it? Probably few people shut down their server in that manner. Many people (like myself) never shut down their server at all. It's just another one of those things that nobody in QA and none of the developers thought to test. The reason that it only happens on the Touch (and most likely the Radio too)? I would say for two reasons: 1) The Touch and Radio are in their infancy compared to the maturity level of the older Squeezeboxes. 2) The Touch and Radio are less 'thin' that previous Squeezeboxes, with less dependence on the server. So when the server goes away, its less disruptive, but apparently the software isn't robust enough to realize it. Here's a bug that's essentially the inverse situation. It doesn't know that it's playing music, so the Now Playing screen goes away and it kicks into the idle screensaver. Marked with a low priority for some reason. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15431 Obviously there are problems with the device (or at least the display side of the code) actually knowing what state it's in. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
Yes, I am aware there is a certain amount of buffer and yes music continues to play for a short while. This is true with all of my Squeezeboxes. Yes, when it reaches the end of the buffer it stops playing music. However, the Touches continue to show the album artwork and the progress bar continues to count down when the server is shut off, but it never finishes just continues to run. All of my other Squeezeboxes go blank on the screen and show nothing. I am not in the habit of turning off my Squeezeboxes when not in use, just the server. The Squeezeboxes go blank. But the Touch continues to display what was running and appears to still be running. If I shut the Touch off the date and time will display on the screen. When I turn it back on... it will continue to show the last album track played and appear to still be playing. -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
I'm not trying to be dense here, just understand exactly what is happening and how that is different from what you want to have happen. So the Touch is playing music, you don't touch it, its still playing and you shut down the server. What does the Touch do? There is a certain amount of buffer in the Touch so it can continue to play music after loosing contact with the server. Does it continue to play music? When it reaches the end of the buffer does it stop playing music (no sound coming out) or does it loop back to the beginning of the buffer and continue playing the music that is in the buffer over and over again? Or is the issue what is on the display? Does the music stop after the buffer is empty, but the display continues to show that something is playing? Do you see the bar that shows the elapsed time of the track continue to progress? Do the numbers that represent the eleapsed time and time to end of track continue to change? If yes what happens when they get to the end of the time for that track? (say the track is three minutes long, you shut the server down 20 seconds into the track, do the numbers continue to change until the music stops? Do they continue to change after the music stops? Do they continue to change past three minutes? ) Now on to what would you LIKE it to do. The system contains a fairly large buffer so it can continue to play music even when it looses contact with the server for short periods of time. If you want the player to stop playing music the second it looses contact with the server you are going to loose the capability to continue to play through short disconnections. If its all right to keep the buffer, its going to keep on playing until the buffer is empty. What do you want it to do then? Go into "stop" mode? Go into "off" mode"? As to why is the Touch different than other players, its because it IS different. In previous players the server was in complete control. Everything that got displayed on the screen came directly from the server, any button that got pressed on the remote went directly to the server. When they loose contact with the server they are essentially dead. The Touch is different. It has its own processor, OS, programs running etc. When it looses contact with the server its still alive, it can display stuff on the screen, respond to screen touches etc. The programs are still running. So instead of just going dead it can be programmed to do anything the programmers want it to do when it looses contact with a server. Obviously its not doing what you want it to do when loosing contact, so your best bet is to carefully spell out exactly what you want to happen when it looses contact (what happens to the music, what happens on the display) then we can see if there is a way in the existing programming to make it do that (or something close). If not you can make an enhancement request and if enough people agree with you that its behavior they desire the developers can make a change to the programing. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
I can certainly do that. However, on all my other Squeezeboxes I have never had to do this. The Touch are the only ones that keep playing. With regards to shutting down the server... my preference is to shut it down when not in use. The issue again, doesn't happen to any of my other Squeezeboxes... just the 2 Touch. -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
Why not shut down the playback before shuting down the server? Since the Touch loses contact w/ the server when you shut that down, its probably a bit lost as to what to do. I have not shut down my music server in years. Its an older laptop dedicated to music only and away in another room along w/ the noise of the storage drives. Do you shut down the Touch as well? -- lcrim lcrim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
I am not clear of the question. I turn off the computer dedicated to music when I am not using it. The issue is not in the turning off of the server but rather that the Touch keeps playing when it is turned off. -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
Why are you shutting down the server? Why not just end the playback? -- lcrim lcrim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
Is there anyone that can help with this? -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
It doesn't play to the end of the song. It just keeps playing... or... shows that it is playing. -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
Yes, I see this, it plays until the end of the song. Maybe Touch has a larger buffer? I usually have a Stopped screensaver so I never noticed this before. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
nobody?? -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Screen still shows tune is playing after Squeezebox Server is shut down
Unlike either of the 3 older Squeezeboxes I own, the new Touch continues to show the track information and cover artwork and progress bar of the tune playing when Squeezebox Server is shut down. With my other 3 Squeezeboxes, when the server is shut down, the screens of the Squeezeboxes will go blank after the buffered amount of the tune ends. With the new Touches this does not happen. If I shut down the Server the Touch continues to show the Album artwork, track information and progress bar of the tune playing. I actually raised this issue with support shortly after getting my 2 Squeezebox Touches and they stated this was a bug. Does anyone have any ideas? -- MannyL MannyL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83736 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
