Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
Just had a load more made up of my custom mount if people are still looking.. See my sig trouty00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30875 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95571 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
Mnyb wrote: Was it not 100$ and we all had a laugh ? Well looking at the forum post it is just a bit of injection moulded plastic! The big cost is tooling up (creating the mould). There are a few injection moulding estimators on the web. Using a US based company, and taking a pessimistic view that the part is deemed to be complex requiring a very high precision and high gloss polish then it would cost about $52,000 to tool up. So it really does depend on how many you think you could sell. A short run of 1,000 would cost around $57 each but a run of 10,000 only about $10 each. I have no idea about demand, but I think at most you would sell low single figures of thousands worldwide. My guess is that a stock of around 5,000 would probably be all Logitech needed which comes out at around $15 a pop. Now adding in a 50% markup for profit and to cover the risk you don't sell as many as you thought (meaning you would break even if you sold 3,500) that gives a wholesale price of $22.50. Add the usual distribution and retailers markup of around 100% you get to just under $50 a pop - less if you sold direct through the Logitech on-line channels. However, if they have sold, say 100,000 Touches (not sure, just a pure guess) they could have put one in the box at an extra $5 cost. Personally I think that would have been their best policy. As an after-market extra it would have been a risky call. The Touch is not part of an integrated multi-room system with wall mounted controllers, speakers, amps etc, so it would only really be popular with the DIY fraternity rather than professional installers who make up the bulk of buyers of this kind of part. So it really would have been a case of package it as a standard part or not bother. Clearly Logitech took the less brave decision! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95571 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
Well, you also have to see that there is very limited use for this thing. I am one of those who got a beta unit and I use it in my bathroom (there's a picture of the setup somewhere in the Touch photo thread) but the reason I could do that was that I completely re-built the bathroom when I installed it. Retrofitting is VERY hard. You need to get all kind of cables to the place, you need to be able to get the power supply hidden within the wall and you need a massive hole for all the connectors. And even then, the Touch will protrude around an inch from the wall. It may be easier in US houses with wooden walls or with a drywall, but if you've got a traditional brick or concrete wall, this thing is hard to install. So effectively used volume will probably stay low. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95571 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
On 6/22/2012 6:26 AM, TheLastMan wrote: Well looking at the forum post it is just a bit of injection moulded plastic! The big cost is tooling up (creating the mould). 3D printing might be a better way to go. No startup costs, and reasonable per-piece prices. Take a look at some of the items at Shapeways for examples: http://www.shapeways.com/gallery/gadgets?s=12 -- Bill ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
For those that hanker after a wall mount for the Touch, I noticed this picture on the Dabs web site. Any idea what it is? There was no explanation on the site just this picture in the gallery. +---+ |Filename: SBT wall mount.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13535| +---+ TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95571 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
TheLastMan wrote: For those that hanker after a wall mount for the Touch, I noticed this picture on the Dabs web site. Any idea what it is? There was no explanation on the site just this picture in the gallery. Doesn't quite look like the same thing, but one of the posters here has designed something that seems to perform the same function. So, if you're interested, see: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?95114-Squeezebox-Touch-Wall-Mount-project-and-possibly-for-sale! rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95571 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall mount?
That is something that Logitech produced in small numbers (apparently), briefly floated a price of around US$50, and then abandoned. I received one during the Touch hardware beta testing, but lord knows where it is now. There are one or two threads with a series of pics showing what one of the Logitech employees did using the wall mount in his house, including using power-over-ethernet to get electricity to the Touch. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95571 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
iPhone;463468 Wrote: It comes down to it being an accessory and a limited demand speciality one at that. Marketing is going to set the price. And the only thing that is ever going to lower that price is if they end up with 10K of them in a warehouse somewhere 3 years from now and they blow them out to get rid of them. Or someone with *way* too much time on his hands decides he can grab a piece of this tiny market by producing a competing product for less than $100. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
Jonnio;462463 Wrote: Just look at this in comparison to the touch itself. The profit margins between the two products (from a bill of materials vs sale price perspective) is probably very similar, but I doubt the engineering cost vs sales ratios are remotely close to the same. Not to mention the continued engineering, warranty etc... Costs that the touch will incur which the bracket won't. Maybe, but I bet they sell an awful lot more Touches than wall mounts, hence the fixed initial costs have to be spread out over fewer sales. I'm probably not going to buy a wall mount, but for me it's not $100 for a piece of plastic but $399 for a wall mounted player. Cost is related to the production expense for the manufacturer, but should only really be related to the utility for the consumer. In other words, it's not how much it cost to make but how useful it will be to you which should decide it's price. -- radish 'HELP ME RAISE MONEY FOR CHILDREN'S CANCER RESEARCH!' (HTTP://WWW.ADAMREEVE.COM/24IN24/) http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
egd;461978 Wrote: Pat, IMHO in this instance the product is ill-conceived as a standalone and would've been better off packaged as part of the Touch with an extra $50 slapped onto the Touch's price. This thread wouldn't have seen the light of day. At $100 a pop I'd be surprised if they generate enough sales to recover their sunk costs. Would they sell twice as many if it was $50? I doubt very much if the accountants and marketing haven't been over this a dozen times, re-running the figures and sales projections. -- funkstar my collection: *1*x squeezebox radio *1*x squeezebox touch *1*x squeezebox boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver) *1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
Bundling the wall-mount with the Touch would probably not be a good idea since houses are built very differently around the world. When looking at the bracket it seems to require a hole in the wall and in a brick house this is not easy to accomplish. Though I must admin the price is a bit high for this kind of accessory but my last experience with Logitech accessories was with a spare Boom PSU for about 130-140$ so I'm really not surprised... -- tipsen tipsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15643 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
tipsen;462076 Wrote: When looking at the bracket it seems to require a hole in the wall and in a brick house this is not easy to accomplish[/ QUOTE]Hammer drill + masonry drillbit an bob's yer uncle. Though I must admit the price is a bit high for this kind of accessory but my last experience with Logitech accessories was with a spare Boom PSU for about 130-140$ so I'm really not surprised... It come with Vaseline? I had to replace my Boom's PSU also, but I opted for a different supplier...and as I was not in the US I would seem I had no choice anyhow -- egd '*Transporter*' (http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/products/transporter.html) '*SCA2*' (http://www.atc.gb.net/sca2.htm) '*SCM100SL AT*' (http://www.atc.gb.net/scm100slat.htm). Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). Every story has 3 sides: Yours, mine and the truth. egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
egd;462039 Wrote: I was suggesting that rather than sell separately they include it with the Touch and charge an extra $50 for the Touch, without pointing out you're actually paying $50 extra for the wallmount. Too late for that now but IMHO it would've been a better option. Marketing and finance often fail to communicate effectively, if at all, and are often times incentivized differently, often putting them at odds. So in this case they may or may not be on the same page, who knows. I don't think it makes sense to charge an extra $50 to add something in the package that 90% or 95% of the users won't use. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 27,698 songs, 2,304 albums, 439 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior Looking forward to new Porcupine Tree, Megadeth, Alice in Chains, and The Beatles Box set. September will be an expensive month :-) maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
On Sep 28, 2009, at 5:35 AM, tipsen wrote: Bundling the wall-mount with the Touch would probably not be a good idea since houses are built very differently around the world. The wall mount bracket can be used as a front face of a custom surface- mount box on a wall in constructions where you can't break into the wall. That's the real value of the bracket, it's designed to fit the back surface of the Touch perfectly so you can create a hole or a box behind it to match the decor and/or construction. ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
maggior;462112 Wrote: I don't think it makes sense to charge an extra $50 to add something in the package that 90% or 95% of the users won't use. Agreed, but if they'd taken that approach you'd be none the wiser and likely pay the $50 premium. -- egd '*Transporter*' (http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/products/transporter.html) '*SCA2*' (http://www.atc.gb.net/sca2.htm) '*SCM100SL AT*' (http://www.atc.gb.net/scm100slat.htm). Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). Every story has 3 sides: Yours, mine and the truth. egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
egd;462123 Wrote: Agreed, but if they'd taken that approach you'd be none the wiser and likely pay the $50 premium. It would never had cost as much as 50$ if one was bundled in every box, probably much cheaper. There is a lot of throw away stuff when you by anything, try a TV or an receiver, manuals in 14 languages extra antennas bunches of extra cables and stuff. Adding an extra item would not do to much to any product . I got 4 HDMI cables with my geffen HDMI switch. I got extra phone contacts for all possible telephone standards with my ip-phone . -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
tipsen;462076 Wrote: Bundling the wall-mount with the Touch would probably not be a good idea since houses are built very differently around the world. When looking at the bracket it seems to require a hole in the wall and in a brick house this is not easy to accomplish. Though I must admit the price is a bit high for this kind of accessory but my last experience with Logitech accessories was with a spare Boom PSU for about 130-140$ so I'm really not surprised... I have a brick home here in the States. Are you saying that All your interior walls are brick also? In any cse even if that is true, then surely your wiring outlets, phone jacks, and such are surface mount are they not? The Touch mount could also be mounted surface mount style or just make a standoff box to mount the mount in that is similar to the box your light switches and electrical outlets must be in. And in the case that they took the time to build all the current switch boxes in while building the house, what would one do to add an extra wall outlet? Surely use an exterior wall outlet. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
Ahhh I think these Mounts are of the Audiophile breed they have been cryogenically treated then coated in snake oil and spinkled with fairy dust. Once fitted they will not only improve the your room accoustics they will improve the quality of all of your audio components ! (maybe) -- Gomez Gomez's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12739 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
I'm pretty sure $100 is worth it for the WAF increase. -- Cabe Cabe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7487 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
if you buy one at that price you're a dumbass! -- egd '*Transporter*' (http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/products/transporter.html) '*SCA2*' (http://www.atc.gb.net/sca2.htm) '*SCM100SL AT*' (http://www.atc.gb.net/scm100slat.htm). Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). Every story has 3 sides: Yours, mine and the truth. egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
mparry;459530 Wrote: They are actually $99.99 retail. They do look really good when they are installed: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67420For a crappy piece of plastic? They look really good as they disappear. There's no design worth mentioning, it's just an adapter. Or are you telling me that a *rounded frame* can have as its main selling point the fact that it looks really good? This is the *worst* case of price gouging I've witnessed in my whole life. And considering I've worked in videogames media I've seen my share. Shame on Logitech. *two thumbs down* -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
funkstar;460122 Wrote: peterw;460030 Wrote: I don't think Logitech has much to fear from the forums. Compare a Touch + wallmount to common home automation touchscreens costing a bunch more. Touch + wallmount is still a great buy, and Logitech will probably sell boatloads of wallmount adapters both directly to end users and through A/V and home automation customizers. Sure, they'll probably lose some sales to the relatively few customers who tend to own soldering irons and RJ45 crimping tools (and lose more sales at $100 than at $50), but I don't think they'll be hurting. And you are right, pricing it at $100 will probably net them more money from installers than pricing it at $20. I agree that this angle might explain the mindset behind the pricing. And yes, isolated, it may net them more money. Compared to a more reasonable/sane price. But I do hope the brains behind this pricing have taken into account the overall ramifications this may have. For now the negative reactions are limited to a few souls on this forum. But if this somehow gets an ironic angled article on one of the big blogs/tech sites. Is it worth the negative publicity? Is it too farfetched to think that this choice in pricing will make people speculate on what choices are made behind the scenes? If they are taking $99.99 for this plastic. What choices are made for the quality of components inside the new Squeezebox products? That choice is always on a sliding scale. You have price point for your product in the marked. What components do you put inside, quality vs. profit? Whose ideology is gaining? I am not saying they are compromising yet. But they are certainly setting themselves up as targets for speculations with this behavior. For the record. I do like my Squeezebox products :) I want to continue expanding my usage of them. I still recommend them to friends. It is just that this price got on my wrong side :( Unless Logitech still has a good explanation up its sleeve. -- sveinan sveinan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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sveinan;460142 Wrote: Is it too farfetched to think that this choice in pricing will make people speculate on what choices are made behind the scenes? If they are taking $99.99 for this plastic. What choices are made for the quality of components inside the new Squeezebox products? That choice is always on a sliding scale. You have price point for your product in the marked. What components do you put inside, quality vs. profit? Whose ideology is gaining? If you use that same argument, where are the questions about the quality of Denon parts after they released that over priced braided cat5 cable? :) -- funkstar my collection: *1*x squeezebox radio *1*x squeezebox touch *1*x squeezebox boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver) *1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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sveinan;460253 Wrote: Of course. Some subscribe to the notion that any exposure, is good exposure :) Absolutely, I was going to suggest that before as well :) Those are all fairly geek news sources, probably not the target for such an accessory if Peters thoughts are close to the mark. The question is, how much do the competitors charge for a similar product? I've never looked into them, but I do get the idea that a Touch + Wall mount will still be significantly less expensive than things it is competing with, and it will kick their asses on performance and features too. -- funkstar my collection: *1*x squeezebox radio *1*x squeezebox touch *1*x squeezebox boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver) *1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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sveinan;460253 And I wouldn't call that cable from Denon their best move: [list Wrote: 'Wired: Snake-Oil Alert: Denon Sells Audiophile Ethernet Cable for $500' (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/06/snake-oil-alert/) 'Slashdot: Denon's $499 Ethernet Cable' (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/15/009216) Need a good laugh. Read some of the reviews at Amazon: - 'Amazon: Customer Reviews - Denon AKDL1 Dedicated Link Cable' (http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/product-reviews/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_summary?ie=UTF8showViewpoints=1sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending) Of course. Some subscribe to the notion that any exposure, is good exposure :) I'd love to know how many of those bad boys they've sold. -- lesliew QNAP TS-639, 4.5TB running squeezecenter 7.3.3, 1864 Albums, Silver Transporter, 1 * SB Classic, 2 * SB Receiver, 2 * SB Controllers, iPhone 3GS + iPeng. lesliew's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30045 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
Goodsounds;460013 Wrote: With this and other comments, I'll bet that the company's Beta Testers We Like list ends the day minus a few names it started the day with. ;-) Perhaps, but Logitech has always said that it chose beta participants it thought would give honest feedback criticism, and never in any way has it encouraged beta testers to cover up any problems once the NDAs lifted, at least in my experience. I don't think Logitech has much to fear from the forums. Compare a Touch + wallmount to common home automation touchscreens costing a bunch more. Touch + wallmount is still a great buy, and Logitech will probably sell boatloads of wallmount adapters both directly to end users and through A/V and home automation customizers. Sure, they'll probably lose some sales to the relatively few customers who tend to own soldering irons and RJ45 crimping tools (and lose more sales at $100 than at $50), but I don't think they'll be hurting. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim AllQuiet BlankSaver ContextMenu FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
peterw;460030 Wrote: ..chose beta participants it thought would give honest feedback criticism... You would know better than I, but are you saying that the company has asked for/encouraged critical comments in public from product testers on pricing and market positioning decisions on unreleased products? I can't imagine that, but you tell me if that's the case. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Goodsounds;460041 Wrote: You would know better than I, but are you saying that the company has asked for/encouraged critical comments in public from product testers on pricing and market positioning decisions on unreleased products? I can't imagine that, but you tell me if that's the case. No, but they've never been known to penalize anyone for speaking out, or try to muzzle anyone either. From your smiley in post #20 I assume it was meant as a joke, and that sounds about right. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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mparry;459530 Wrote: They are actually $99.99 retail. ... I just don't believe it. People at sales can be weird, but in general they're not totally mad. Teus -- Teus de Jong Teus de Jong's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15415 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
iPhone;459721 Wrote: The Touch bracket looks like it could be done on a standard molding machine running off hundreds at little to no cost after the mold is designed and made. Remember the purple plugs for Garmin GPS units? http://www.pfranc.com/projects/g45contr/g45_idx.htm If Logitech asks far too much, anybody could design sell an alternative... -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ free plugins: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/#slim AllQuiet BlankSaver ContextMenu FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
The factory gate price of the wall-mount is likely the same as the plastic animal that slimdevices used to throw in the box. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
sveinan;459326 Wrote: Could someone please explain to me the magical properties of this piece of plastic that makes it worth *$100*(-1c) ? I just cannot understand it. Are there some connectors or electrical stuff I'm missing here ?Sure, if you pay the $100, it comes with a jar of vaseline to ease the pain :P -- egd '*Transporter*' (http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/products/transporter.html) '*SCA2*' (http://www.atc.gb.net/sca2.htm) '*SCM100SL AT*' (http://www.atc.gb.net/scm100slat.htm). Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). Every story has 3 sides: Yours, mine and the truth. egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
Pretty sure it was supposed to be $49.99, think there is a typo in that press release. -- funkstar my collection: *1*x squeezebox radio *1*x squeezebox touch *1*x squeezebox boom *2*x controller, *1*x receiver *2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver) *1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield) interested in any others if you have them! funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
egd;459389 Wrote: Sure, if you pay the $100, it comes with a jar of vaseline to ease the pain :P funkstar;459397 Wrote: Pretty sure it was supposed to be $49.99, think there is a typo in that press release. I guess I could live with $49.99, would still need half a jar of vaseline though :p Get the final answer when it pops up in the stores anyway, or if some Logitech dude passes by this thread. -- sveinan sveinan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
They are actually $99.99 retail. That sort of shameless profiteering would never have been considered at Slimdevices before the takeover. Sends all the wrong messages. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Wall-Mount Bracket at $99.99 ?
They do look great; but I don't think I'd ever appreciate it after the guilt I'd feel every time I thought about the price. OUCH. Unless there's a lot more to it than the picture suggests; it should be $20. $40-50 I could probably live with but I'd feel it was overpriced - maybe marginally worth it. But $100 I don't mind paying for cutting edge and niche; but I don't like getting screwed. I'd be amazed if the backend math actually justified a price anywhere in that realm even with a generous margin. But who knows maybe they're hand crafted in high mountains of Tibet by sacred monks or something. -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68046 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
