Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
Apesbrain wrote: > You're reclocking the Touch digital output through the Topping? To each > his own, but I fail to see what "problem" this solves. "Jitter" has > never been an issue for me nor have I seen other complaints about it. I > see you also have a custom power supply for your Touch so that helps me > understand. Enjoy! It just reclock the digital output of by Topping D10S. D10Ｓ is powered by portable power battery bank for clean power. Jitters do matter in my experence. :D hankhsucc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
You're reclocking the Touch digital output through the Topping? To each his own, but I fail to see what "problem" this solves. "Jitter" has never been an issue for me nor have I seen other complaints about it. I see you also have a custom power supply for your Touch so that helps me understand. Enjoy! Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
I would like to share my bang for the buck first try to improve the digital output. [image: https://i.imgur.com/7fRpKFs.jpg] [image: https://i.imgur.com/wZRvzG7.jpg] hankhsucc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
Just go with what your heart tells you :) Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
Man in a van wrote: > Well that's a bit of a beast :cool: > > I had a scan through the manual (waiting for my porridge to get to the > Goldilocks moment :) > > I would noy worry too much because > > > > I presume that applys to the input you want to use. > > which is the > > > > > [12 USB/SPDIF digital audio input Digital audio input to connect a > > computer to the VIP G2 for playback of music and sound files using the > > sophisticated D/A-converters of the front channels. The VIP G2 is > > recognized as "USB Audio Device" by the operat-ing system of your > > computer (for example, Windows XP*1). Use a standard audio player (for > > example, Windows Media Player*1) to playback your mu-sic over the VIP > > G2. Via an optional adapter cable the USB input can be used as SPDIF > > input for connecting CD players, DAT recorders etc. (refer to section > > "USB/SPDIF digital audio input" on page 13/QUOTE] > > > > > > > > > [ 15.6.3 Using the SPDIF input Alternatively, you can use the > > > > > > > USB/SPDIF > > > Digital audio input 12 as SPDIF digital audio input using a special > > > adaptor cable available from Audionet. There-fore, you can use the > > > sophisticated digital-to-analog converter of the VIP G2 for other > > > digital sources like CD transports, DAT recorder, too. 1. Connect the > > > USB/SPDIF Audio input 12 to the SPDIF output of the source device using > > > an adaptor cable. 2. Switch on the VIP G2, then switch on the source > > > device, and star the playback on the source device. The music of the > > > source device is now played back using the sophisticated > > > digital-to-analog converters of the VIP G2. > > > > > > Note∑The VIP G2 supports the formats: PCM Stereo, sample > > > rate 32 kHz up to 96kHz, 16 and 24 Bits /QUOTE] > > > > > > I don't know what the "special cable looks like, so I guess anything > > > that fits the connection would suffice, providing it's from a > > > manufacturer known for good quality. I would not spend a lot of money. > > > > > > Have you actually tried the SBT with the EDO applet connected to your > > > dac ? (Connect the SBT to the machine, power on both, install the applet > > > on the SBT, see what you get) > > > > > > > > > ronnie> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your help. It's greatly appreciated. > > > > The special cable I used to connect Touch and VIP G2 is this one > > > > https://ibb.co/zHmZMpW > > > > Yes. I have tried EDO applet, but I don't like it. :rolleyes: > > > > I am also thinking about replace Touch by Allo digione signature. > > > > Then, Touch will be abandoned. So I prefer a DDC solution. :) hankhsucc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
hankhsucc wrote: > I use Audionet VIP G2 with EPS as DAC. :) Well that's a bit of a beast :cool: I had a bit of a scan through the manual (waiting for my porridge to get to the Goldilocks moment :) I would noy worry too much because > For the main channels, Audionet's Intelligent Sampling technology takes > care of an absolutely accurate recovery of the analog signal from the > digital data stream. Therefore, the PCM data runs through a > sophisticated, two staged filter and de-coupling process. First of all, > the initial data is filtered and synchronously up-sampled by Audionet's > proprietary software running on a powerful digital signal processor. The > filters are designed in audiophile respect of best possible accuracy of > impulse and frequency response. Optimized in this way, the audio data is > now rendered to 192kHz/24bits by an asynchronous upsampler, thereby > completely decoupled from the input clock. I presume that applys to the input you want to use. which is the > [12 USB/SPDIF digital audio input Digital audio input to connect a > computer to the VIP G2 for playback of music and sound files using the > sophisticated D/A-converters of the front channels. The VIP G2 is > recognized as "USB Audio Device" by the operat-ing system of your > computer (for example, Windows XP*1). Use a standard audio player (for > example, Windows Media Player*1) to playback your mu-sic over the VIP > G2. Via an optional adapter cable the USB input can be used as SPDIF > input for connecting CD players, DAT recorders etc. (refer to section > "USB/SPDIF digital audio input" on page 13/QUOTE] > > > > > [ 15.6.3 Using the SPDIF input Alternatively, you can use the USB/SPDIF > > Digital audio input 12 as SPDIF digital audio input using a special > > adaptor cable available from Audionet. There-fore, you can use the > > sophisticated digital-to-analog converter of the VIP G2 for other > > digital sources like CD transports, DAT recorder, too. 1. Connect the > > USB/SPDIF Audio input 12 to the SPDIF output of the source device using > > an adaptor cable. 2. Switch on the VIP G2, then switch on the source > > device, and star the playback on the source device. The music of the > > source device is now played back using the sophisticated > > digital-to-analog converters of the VIP G2. > > > > Note∑The VIP G2 supports the formats: PCM Stereo, sample rate 32 > > kHz up to 96kHz, 16 and 24 Bits /QUOTE] > > > > I don't know what the "special cable looks like, so I gues anything that > > fits the connect would suffice providing it's from a manufacturer known > > for good quality. I would not spend a lot of money. > > > > Have you actually tried the SBT with the EDO applet connected to your > > dac ? (Connect the SBT to the machine, power on both, install the applet > > on the SBT, see what you get) > > > > > > ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
slartibartfast wrote: > This might be an interesting read. > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97950-MEASUREMENTS-Some-Squeezebox-numbers-to-consider/page3 > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Thanks for the info. :) hankhsucc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
Man in a van wrote: > EDO also works on the other digital outputs > > Which dac do you have ? :confused: (I promise not to laugh > :):):):):p:p) > > ronnie I use Audionet VIP G2 with EPS as DAC. :) hankhsucc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
hankhsucc wrote: > Thanks ! Because my DAC is not compatible with Touch EDO USB interface. EDO also works on the other digital outputs Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
Man in a van wrote: > Well you don't say which digital signal you want to play with, so I'll > go with this link > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UnnpylzUvFW3oi0ip5ghpuWFfDVcufKCn8k54uhqYKQ/edit#gid=0 > > This only gives user experience of devices that do or do not work. > > Only your ears can determine any improvement :) so fill your boots :) > > As Grumpy Bob suggested maybe look in the thread he referenced. > > ronnie > > Why not try a direct connection to your dac first? Thanks ! Because my DAC is not compatible with Touch EDO USB interface. hankhsucc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
hankhsucc wrote: > I love the user interface of squeezebox touch and the flexibility of LMS > architecture, so even I am not very satisfied with the digital output > quality of Touch, I keep looking for solutions to improving the digital > output quality such that Touch can deliver digital signal of minimized > jitter to my Hi-end external DAC. > > I now use Teradak LPSU and 10Gtek SFP optical transceiver for Ethernet > connection. They both improved the sound quality. > > Next step, I would like to try adding a DDC between Touch and external > DAC . I am eager for your experience for any method to improve the > digital output quality , especially a DDC . Thank you !This might be an > interesting read. https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97950-MEASUREMENTS-Some-Squeezebox-numbers-to-consider/page3 Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
hankhsucc wrote: > I love the user interface of squeezebox touch and the flexibility of LMS > architecture, so even I am not very satisfied with the digital output > quality of Touch, I keep looking for solutions to improving the digital > output quality such that Touch can deliver digital signal of minimized > jitter to my Hi-end external DAC. > > I now use Teradak LPSU and 10Gtek SFP optical transceiver for Ethernet > connection. They both improved the sound quality. > > Next step, I would like to try adding a DDC between Touch and external > DAC . I am eager for your experience for any method to improve the > digital output quality , especially a DDC . Thank you ! Well you don't say which digital signal you want to play with, so I'll go with this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UnnpylzUvFW3oi0ip5ghpuWFfDVcufKCn8k54uhqYKQ/edit#gid=0 This only gives user experience of devices that do or do not work. Only your ears can determine any improvement :) so fill your boots :) As Grumpy Bob suggested maybe look in the thread he referenced. ronnie Why not try a direct connection to your dac first? Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Please share your experience about improving digital output quality !
hankhsucc wrote: > I love the user interface of squeezebox touch and the flexibility of LMS > architecture, so even I am not very satisfied with the digital output > quality of Touch, I keep looking for solutions to improving the digital > output quality such that Touch can deliver digital signal of minimized > jitter to my Hi-end external DAC. > > I now use Teradak LPSU and 10Gtek SFP optical transceiver for Ethernet > connection. They both improved the sound quality. > > Next step, I would like to try adding a DDC between Touch and external > DAC . I am eager for your experience for any method to improve the > digital output quality , especially a DDC . Thank you ! You may get more responses over in the Audiophile forum! Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi Zero/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113182 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
