Re: [Tracker] Icon
Il giorno ven, 19/01/2007 alle 15.00 +, Michael Corbett ha scritto: Hi. I realise this is my first post but it's something I feel strongly about so I hope you will forgive my boldness. I've seen there is some discussion on an icon for Tracker. My comment is: It's bad UI design to use the same or similar icons for different things. A looking-glass or magnifier indicates Zoom. If a looking glass indicates Zoom it should not indicate Search. I would strongly suggest either binoculars, or possibly a simplified telescope icon better represent Search. This is not a real Tracker issue. There are 2 icons that Tracker could/should use: * a logo icon - this icon should identify the (global) Tracker product, as well as the dog profile identify Beagle (see beagle website); this icons will be used on Tracker website and everywhere Tracker will need branding * the search tool icon - this icon is defined in Icon Naming Spec from freedesktop.org as system-search named icon; this icon should provided by gnome-icon-theme (while currently it's still using old style, not Tango style). The issue about the bad metaphor of looking glass for search is related to the second icon, and should be solved on gnome-icon-theme module. ___ tracker-list mailing list tracker-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/tracker-list
Re: [Tracker] Icon
Luca Ferretti ha scritto: Il giorno ven, 19/01/2007 alle 15.00 +, Michael Corbett ha scritto: Hi. I realise this is my first post but it's something I feel strongly about so I hope you will forgive my boldness. I've seen there is some discussion on an icon for Tracker. My comment is: It's bad UI design to use the same or similar icons for different things. A looking-glass or magnifier indicates Zoom. If a looking glass indicates Zoom it should not indicate Search. I would strongly suggest either binoculars, or possibly a simplified telescope icon better represent Search. This is not a real Tracker issue. There are 2 icons that Tracker could/should use: * a logo icon - this icon should identify the (global) Tracker product, as well as the dog profile identify Beagle (see beagle website); this icons will be used on Tracker website and everywhere Tracker will need branding * the search tool icon - this icon is defined in Icon Naming Spec from freedesktop.org as system-search named icon; this icon should provided by gnome-icon-theme (while currently it's still using old style, not Tango style). The issue about the bad metaphor of looking glass for search is related to the second icon, and should be solved on gnome-icon-theme module. That's the point. We have a logo? Right now, if I am not wrong, the search tool icon with a capitol T inside, as shown in the websites, is the logo. Isn't it? ___ tracker-list mailing list tracker-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/tracker-list
Re: [Tracker] Icon
--- Luca Ferretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not a real Tracker issue. There are 2 icons that Tracker could/should use: * a logo icon - this icon should identify the (global) Tracker product, as well as the dog profile identify Beagle (see beagle website); this icons will be used on Tracker website and everywhere Tracker will need branding I think I made that distinction, worded differently. You are right. * the search tool icon - this icon is defined in Icon Naming Spec from freedesktop.org as system-search named icon; this icon should provided by gnome-icon-theme (while currently it's still using old style, not Tango style). The issue about the bad metaphor of looking glass for search is related to the second icon, and should be solved on gnome-icon-theme module. That makes sense! I will stop bugging the Tracker guys with it :-) How popular would the suggestion be? People are used to using a magnifier for search, it's true. So is it OK with users that the same symbol means two different things? Does it matter? A lot of GNOME UI design is still very based on What people are used to (Windows/Mac) and is that wrong? Cheers all Michael ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ tracker-list mailing list tracker-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/tracker-list
Re: [Tracker] Icon
now, that's arguing! I add 1 vote for http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg/actions/find.svg?rev=598903 (even over the telescope idea, and the proposal of Michael: http://www.mant1core.de/tracker.svg) B. Peter Elliott a écrit : Now _that_ is more like it ~ it states the obvious in a familiar way ~ ie it's using symbols people will recognise the meaning / intention of straight away ~ no head scratching ~ no what the ___? ~ just an ah yeah right, super sleuth dude, a tracker downer of lost and missing things Plus it looks good! It's clean clear visually - no clutter or confusion, no mixed messages. Jamie - you were meaning the one i've just been ranting on, yes? The one last seen here = http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg/actions/find.svg?rev=598903 _ Qui est-ce qui est très apprécié des Japonais et a toujours quelque chose entre les mains? Live Search le sait et vous ? http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=Manneken%20pisFORM=BIRE ___ tracker-list mailing list tracker-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/tracker-list
Re: [Tracker] Icon
2007/1/23, B Berteh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: now, that's arguing! I add 1 vote for http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg/actions/find.svg?rev=598903 (even over the telescope idea, and the proposal of Michael: http://www.mant1core.de/tracker.svg) Just to make that clear: http://www.mant1core.de/tracker.svg is the artwork of Björn Martensen. I was merely forwarding the message. What about collecting ideas and proposals first (on a wiki would be ideal)? And also post the icons for different resolutions, which is a very important factor. If the icon is visually too crowded, then it usually doesn't scale very well and is hardly recognizable on small sizes. Michael ___ tracker-list mailing list tracker-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/tracker-list
Re: [Tracker] Icon
--- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, as a matter of fact a magnifying glass is the symbol for Search for many programs and for example the Tango project. However in the case of Tracker a telescope is a very good idea. In my opinion one should emphasize that Tracker searches 'deep down under the surface', i.e. many different file formats are indexed. So a microscope might be even better. Yours, Christian Dywan aka kalikiana Hi Christian I'm aware that many apps use a looking glass for search but without exception, all apps that have zoom use a looking glass for that and it makes sense in that context. Many apps in the past have used binoculars for search, and binoculars make more sense in that context. I haven't seen many good-looking binocular icons though! ;-) I'd still argue that using a very similar icon to represent two quite different things is poor interface design. Tango isn't necessarily right all the time. I would put the microscope with the magnifying glass as looking more deeply AT something, rather than looking FOR something. I guess it depends how much you want the icon to represent what Tracker actually does. I think there are two basic questions. 1. Tracker, especially when it is combined with other apps such as Deskbar could be associated with Launch Query List Sort Get, Filter and any number of other things. So maybe the question is What does tracker actually do for the user? 2. The nature of Tracker is to actually deliver information to other apps systemwide so possibly you don't need an icon in the UI / desktop context but as an identity for the project for a website. One needs to be simple, scaleable and immediate, the other can be larger and more detailed. Of course in the end people can replace the standard icon with whatever they want so maybe it doesn't matter :-D Anyway, if folks would like to see a telescope icon I can magic one up. Best Michael ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk ___ tracker-list mailing list tracker-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/tracker-list
Re: [Tracker] Icon
2007/1/20, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:00:04 + (GMT), Michael Corbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I've seen there is some discussion on an icon for Tracker. My comment is: It's bad UI design to use the same or similar icons for different things. A looking-glass or magnifier indicates Zoom. If a looking glass indicates Zoom it should not indicate Search. I would strongly suggest either binoculars, or possibly a simplified telescope icon better represent Search. Hi Michael, as a matter of fact a magnifying glass is the symbol for Search for many programs and for example the Tango project. However in the case of Tracker a telescope is a very good idea. In my opinion one should emphasize that Tracker searches 'deep down under the surface', i.e. many different file formats are indexed. So a microscope might be even better. What about something like http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg/actions/find.svg?rev=598903 I like the icon, because it pictures the word tracker in a nice way. Cheers, Michael ___ tracker-list mailing list tracker-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/tracker-list
Re: [Tracker] Icon
What about something like http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg/actions/find.svg?rev=598903 I like the icon, because it pictures the word tracker in a nice way. yeah very apt :) may as well use that one then until something better comes along... -- Mr Jamie McCracken http://jamiemcc.livejournal.com/ ___ tracker-list mailing list tracker-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/tracker-list
