Re: [Trisquel-users] taskbar clears after updating 6.0

2013-03-13 Thread mono
my panel lost all manually icons when i added gnome-shell gnome-seesion to  
Trisquel 6.0 pre-release. the default icons are still there, so its kind of a  
revert to default here.


Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread ultimatepowers
Horgeon, I installed scriptish as I see no other option on that page. I do  
not have those options within the player even after the two installs. No idea  
what's wrong.


Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread ultimatepowers
I just noticed that when you open the system settings, there is no way to  
close it! What??


Re: [Trisquel-users] Login issue with Toutatis?

2013-03-13 Thread mikko . viinamaki

Do you have a radeon gpu?

lspci|grep VGA


Re: [Trisquel-users] Login issue with Toutatis?

2013-03-13 Thread martin . tha . bear

No, my gpu is a nvidia gt430.


Had no luck with Chris's or Horgeon's suggestions either. I could still not  
login to a live session nor login to an installed session - entering my  
password just returns me back to the login screen. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread onpon4
Scriptish isn't needed. The script works with either Greasemonkey or  
Scriptish. Once you have Greasemonkey installed (you need to restart the  
browser for it to take effect), you can install the script in  
https://userscripts.org/scripts/show/87011 by clicking Install in the  
top-right corner. I don't know if it's any different for Scriptish, because I  
use Greasemonkey, but I assume it's the same.


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread tegskywalker
Mint has prided itself on taking the Ubuntu refugees by rejecting Unity in  
favor of MATE/Cinnamon and recently saying they are staying with X around the  
Mir announcement.


Mint 9 was my first time trying out GNU/Linux and it had its benefits at the  
time. I never did like their custom update manager as it would exclude kernel  
updates and wasn't built to allow distribution updates. They said it was for  
safety, but the Ubuntu update manager was better implemented.


Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread onpon4
Did you get that weird thing where the title bar disappears? That's happened  
to me a couple of times. I have no idea why. In any case, it's pretty rare,  
so it's more weird than problematic.


Re: [Trisquel-users] taskbar clears after updating 6.0

2013-03-13 Thread onpon4
Did you tell the file manager to show hidden folders, as the name implies,  
hidden folders are hidden by default. :) To show them, you can go to  
View-Show Hidden Files or press Ctrl+H


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread onpon4
I wouldn't say the Mint developers pride themselves in people switching  
from Ubuntu to Mint, at least not openly. Some people made posts around the  
lines of Ubuntu sucks, I switched to Mint and Clem came out in defense of  
Ubuntu, asserting that they did not oppose Ubuntu (something about their only  
possible enemy being Microsoft).


Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread Dave Hunt

Close system settings with 'alt+f4', like any other application window.



Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread icarolongo

See this post from the forum.

Or you can disable Gnash in Abrowser  Addons(Ctrl+Shift+A). After click in  
Plugins at left side. Disable Shockwave Flash (this is the gnash-plugin not  
flash).


[Trisquel-users] When and where can we submit packages to the new community backports?

2013-03-13 Thread tegskywalker
In the press release for 6, Ruben mentioned a community-backports repo where  
we can submit more up to date packages. How is the status for this? Will we  
be able to submit a list of packages anywhere that will be reviewed and  
eventually included? Will they have to be built from source each time or can  
they be included from launchpad PPAs?


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread tegskywalker
They do want users to move from Ubuntu to Mint because that is potential  
revenue for them. More users that donate or use their web browser with their  
affiliate search engines is more money. Mint gaining popularity also  
increases the chances of corporate sponsors joining them.


Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread icarolongo
The problem with window probably is Compiz. You can change for Metacity  
(default in GNOME Fallback) in the System Settings or install gnome-shell and  
use mutter instead.


For install KDE version from Trisquel is very simple:

In Terminal(Ctrl+Alt+T):
sudo apt-get install triskel

After you log out and choose KDE in login screen (GDM or KDM).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 KDE

2013-03-13 Thread john . wilkins21

Chris, not sure what you mean. Are you saying I shouldn't be doing this?



Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread em9002

What is the difference between gnome-session and gnome-shell?


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread lloyd

Yeah this is probably the best approach, I think.

Use LTS for now, but keep an eye on Canonical and if they get too out-of-hand  
over the next few years, switch to Debian + backports.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Login issue with Toutatis?

2013-03-13 Thread gustavo_cm
I had this issue in a installed system when trying to use the  
nodev,noexec,nosuid mount options in many partitions; I figured out using  
nosuid for / and /usr prevents login.


Re: [Trisquel-users] taskbar clears after updating 6.0

2013-03-13 Thread gustavo_cm

Try searching for panel (I'm in 5.5 Brigantia):

~ $ find . -name *panel*
./.local/share/applications/gnome-printers-panel.desktop
./.local/share/applications/deja-dup-ccpanel.desktop
./.gnome2/panel2.d
./.config/gnome-panel
./.gconf/desktop/ibus/panel
./.gconf/apps/gedit-2/preferences/ui/bottom_panel
./.gconf/apps/panel3-applets
./.gconf/apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel
./.gconf/apps/nautilus/sidebar_panels
./.gconf/apps/panel
./.gconf/apps/panel/toplevels/panel_2


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread chris
I have talked to Clem personally about various financial aspects a number of  
time and he has always been very adamant about keeping a distance from  
corporate interests. Yes- they want to see the user base grow. Everybody  
wants to see that. Unfortunately reporters, bloggers, and people like  
yourself make up sensationalist statements like this. Nothing the project has  
done backs up your assumptions. If there going to take market share they want  
to take it from Microsoft/Apple. Ubuntu is more like icing on the cake.


The users of Ubuntu are the ones doing the expressing. Reporters and others  
are making statements that are in this case largely true about people moving  
to Linux Mint from Ubuntu. It has mainly been the result of Unity. Though  
there have been other issues which are also involved.


Re: [Trisquel-users] taskbar clears after updating 6.0

2013-03-13 Thread ali

rm .config/dconf/user


Re: [Trisquel-users] When and where can we submit packages to the new community backports?

2013-03-13 Thread chris
I think the idea was that *some* people will be given access to a repository.  
It isn't going to be a free for all. That would be a security nightmare. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] YouTube Large Screen Choppy and slow...

2013-03-13 Thread onpon4

He's actually a bit off; you need both.

gnome-session gives the regular GNOME session as a choice (which gives you  
access to GNOME Shell). gnome-shell gives you GNOME Shell itself. I don't  
know if they fixed the problem where they collided by default, but if not,  
you can fix that by using this PPA:


http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/gnome_3


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread Roeplay

Chris,

I think you're on to something, Mint is way ahead of everything else on  
DistroWatch right now.


[Trisquel-users] How to install sugar-desktop on Trisquel_6.0

2013-03-13 Thread Thomas Gilliard

I just installed sugar 0.94.1 on a Trisquel 6.0 Virtual Box install [1]

Tom Gilliard
satellit on IRC

[1]http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel#Trisquel_6.0


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread chris
Yes- it has been for years. The question is more along the lines of how well  
does distrowatch accurately reflect the overall distribution spectrum. It has  
been stated many of times by many of people the methods uses are less than  
stellar.




Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread Roeplay
I think Ubuntu's drop in popularity has something to do with the fact that a  
hundred other distributions are now pretty good for novice-level daily  
desktop use ... Ubuntu no longer particularly stands out in that department,  
even if it was a global leader a few years ago (try Ubuntu first was very  
sound advice). In a few years, Debian's userfriendliness might be where  
Ubuntu's is now. The days of GNU/Linux being a luxury of the super  
computer-literate are long past.


Most people who use Ubuntu are probably not aware that there is any skirmish  
around something called Mir vs something called Wayland. That's an  
opinionated fringe.


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread chris
I'd be curious how much of that was actually Shuttleworth / Canonical's move  
and how much of that was Valve. Canonical has been positioning itself it  
seems to take on these kinds of 'jobs'. Given the amounts they are charging  
it actually seems like the only logical market. It has the engineering  
expertise that a company like Valve would need to jump into the gaming device  
arena. We already know Valve is putting out such a device and Ubuntu has the  
user base to test with. Combine the two and it seems like a good fit.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Login issue with Toutatis?

2013-03-13 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Maybe it's a keyboard problem? Have you tried some braindead password with  
only letters and numbers?


Can you login via VT? (Ctrl+Alt+F1)
If yes, you can change the password there with the passwd command.


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to install sugar-desktop on Trisquel_6.0

2013-03-13 Thread mikko . viinamaki

Ubuntu will install a handicapped sugar 0.90 from it's repos
 There are only 2 activities and they do not start. 

Do I read this right, the version of sugar in Tris 6 don't work? If so,  
please file a bug.


Re: [Trisquel-users] How to install sugar-desktop on Trisquel_6.0

2013-03-13 Thread Thomas Gilliard

On 03/13/2013 12:08 PM, mikko.viinam...@students.turkuamk.fi wrote:

Ubuntu will install a handicapped sugar 0.90 from it's repos
 There are only 2 activities and they do not start. 

Do I read this right, the version of sugar in Tris 6 don't work? If 
so, please file a bug.



Sugar in Ubuntu is brain dead:
 work on building it quit a few years ago.
 There is no one currently working on fixing it.

Use Sweets_Distribution for a working Sugar-desktop (nice sugar 0.94)

look at :
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel#Trisquel_6.0
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel#Install_Sugar


:The following is a summary of this link:
= http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sweets_Distribution#Installation
:Consult it for more detailed information

Type the following commands in a terminal:
 wget ftp://download.sugarlabs.org/packages/sweets-distribution.sh
 sudo sh sweets-distribution.sh

 sweets-distribution status

 sudo sweets-distribution select 0.94

 apt-get install sweets-desktop
 (The full set of packages from Sweets Desktop.)
   this will be a big download

:Sometimes, it may be required to downgrade packages while switching to 
another repository.

:The easy way to do so is with the sync command:

 sudo sweets-distribution sync

:Most of the Sweets Distribution packages will be placed in the 
/opt/sweets directory; :thus, it will be possible to use Sugar from the 
Sweets Distribution and from official packages at the same time.

*Access sweets-sugar from:
1 menu/education/sugar
2 Or by logging out and logging in to sweets-sugar via gdm




Re: [Trisquel-users] Login issue with Toutatis?

2013-03-13 Thread martin . tha . bear
Actually I *can* login via console. A more experienced linux user probably  
would have realised this straight away, but unfortunately my knowledge/skills  
are strictly limited and so I only discovered this a couple of hours ago.  
Once I had made this discovery, I also found that by switching display  
manager and installing xfce4 I can now login to an xfce session with the  
password that I set during install. In a way I am happy with this because  
xfce is my desktop of choice, but I am still none the wiser as to what the  
original problem is with the gnome session. Hopefully my experiences will  
help to troubleshoot the problem?


Thanks again to all who have tried to help me and my apologies for not giving  
you quite the full picture. 


[Trisquel-users] Re : taskbar clears after updating 6.0

2013-03-13 Thread mgervais

Thank you @starchild. That worked fine!


Re: [Trisquel-users] When and where can we submit packages to the new community backports?

2013-03-13 Thread Jason Self
Anyone can work on maintaining a Helper:
http://trisquel.info/en/wiki/package-helpers

Once you've made a Helper for your package sent a patch to the
trisquel-devel mailing list where it will be reviewed and feedback
provided or added:
http://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/trisquel-devel


Re: [Trisquel-users] taskbar clears after updating 6.0

2013-03-13 Thread christian

Thanks!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 Officially Out; yes- really this time!

2013-03-13 Thread myself600

Here we go:

http://mediafire.com/?fdxpscxxks3s71x

It took a little more time than I thought, but it's ready now. This is just a  
concept driver, but it should work out-of-the-box, no restart required. Just  
plug in the dongle, install the driver (see README for details), and wait a  
few seconds until the driver gets initialized.


Currently, I does not own this device, but it's possible that I'll have one  
shortly. Until then, if you encounter any issue, let me know so I can fix it.


P.S.: A funny photo I took yesterday when building the driver on the new  
Trisquel 6.0 release .


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread tegskywalker
Isn't corporate sponsorship the end goal for a lot of projects? Mozilla's  
sugar daddy is Google. The Python foundation has sponsorship from Google,  
Lucasfilm, and even Microsoft. The Linux foundation, for which you all rely  
on the kernel so much, has the big guns like IBM, Intel, Oracle, Samsung,  
AMD, Google, Panasonic, and Adobe to name a few.


Re: [Trisquel-users] After version 6, Trisquel is moving to LTS only releases.

2013-03-13 Thread trisqit

A lot? I suppose ...

Definitely not all.

http://www.debian.org/social_contract


As for your kernel example, I'd say: you can have (corporate) money flowing  
around you in a number of different ways without profit being your End Goal.  
Conversely, you can have people dressed up like noble monks who turn out to  
really be (end goal) about the cash. (Walk through downtown Sedona or Santa  
Fe!)


If someone claims to be about selflessness and freedom, I'm inclined to give  
them the benefit of the doubt, until they prove themselves otherwise. But  
once they do, I'll judge them more harshly than I would someone who starts  
out an unabashed whore.


Because hypocrisy hurts the commons by breaking people's impulse to trust.




[Trisquel-users] Re : Difficulty compiling from source

2013-03-13 Thread magicbanana
The command 'apt-offline-gui' should be recognized (it is /usr/bin that  
belongs to your PATH variable) although it may not run if you do not use  
'sudo' or 'gksu' before it (to get administrator's privileges). Are you sure  
the packages have been installed? For instance have you asked for the  
installation of other packages that have then worked flawlessly? Can you  
check whether /usr/bin/apt-offline-gui is in your system?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 KDE

2013-03-13 Thread chris
No. That would be taking it too far. I'm just saying that the distribution  
shouldn't be directionless. If the objective is a usable free distribution  
for the masses (which I think is a fair description) having multiple desktop  
environments needs to take a backseat to more pressing issues. Obviously if  
it is something your content on working on alone or with others there isn't  
any harm in doing so. It just shouldn't interfere with the direction or goals  
of the project.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-13 Thread magicbanana
Unfortunately, it looks like you are right since the following command does  
not return anything:
$ wget  
http://cdimage.trisquel.info/trisquel-images/trisquel-mini_6.0_amd64.manifest  
-qO - | grep orca


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 KDE

2013-03-13 Thread Roeplay
I for one think it's OK that you're doing this. That's what Free Software is  
about.


Just don't expect it to be adopted as an official spin-off. There's always a  
thousand and one bugs that come up even when you think you're done.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 6 KDE

2013-03-13 Thread andrew . roffey
A decent theme for Trisquel on KDE would be a good start. You could make that  
available, and move on from there...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-13 Thread Roeplay
There always seem to be major oversights like this with the Mini edition.  
Ruben clearly doesn't have enough time to devote to it to make it adhere to  
the same standards as Trisquel standard.


I feel like, at the same time he releases the standard edition, he should  
announce an official Release Candidate of Mini and invite people to play with  
it. Give that a few weeks, iron out the kinks, and then release that.


It's not as good for PR as releasing it all at the same time, but it would  
lead to a better Mini edition.


Re: [Trisquel-users] taskbar clears after updating 6.0

2013-03-13 Thread buckobry

Thanks Starchild!  You made that very easy to repair!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-13 Thread chris
:) I think things are spread too thin as it is still. This move to LTS only  
wasn't taken lightly. The development should focus on doing one thing right.  
I'm using a desktop environment I can't stand right now. However it is better  
for it to work than be something I prefer that doesn't.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Accessibility of Trisquel 6 Live Images?

2013-03-13 Thread Roeplay

Would you drop Mini if you were Ruben? :)

I do feel like Mini, and lightweight distributions in general, are getting a  
bit less relevant than 2010 when Mini debuted.


The generation of computers that required Mini and couldn't run the standard  
edition is fast becoming extinct.


A new netbook should be able to run Trisquel standard edition just fine ...  
on that hardware, M$'s Restricted Boot BS is more of a barrier than RAM  
limits or something.


And an old-school desktop metaphor just plain doesn't cut it on a tablet in  
the first place. That's a non-starter.


Mini is still important in poorly developed nations where computer hardware  
isn't up to the par of the first world. But what are the numbers, really? Is  
our adoption rate in such places a mere flash in the pan?


P.S.: It's nice to have a real (Free Software based) business owner and  
entrepreneur in these discussions. Too many hobby hackers in a project mean  
that things can quickly lose contact with reality. ;)