Re: [Trisquel-users] My wifi card that isn't supported.

2014-07-28 Thread chris
For the record I'm not against collaboration in most cases. Even with  
distributions which include non-free parts there is frequently mutually  
beneficial collaboration. We need more cooperation, not less.


A perfect example of an unlikely collaboration (unrelated to ThinkPenguin) is  
Ubuntu and Trisquel. Despite what people think about Ubuntu and its practices  
(for which I think we can all agree here there are at least a few bad ones)  
Trisquel developers and users report bugs related to Ubuntu upstream and  
downstream Trisquel benefits from those fixes.


Re: [Trisquel-users] My wifi card that isn't supported.

2014-07-28 Thread chris
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It wasn't until 1996 that a public  
campaign began and by that point it was probably too late. Calling it  
GNU/Linux also isn't the same thing as the mascot. The GNU is clearly a  
mascot of the GNU project. The penguin to me is more representative of the  
larger ecosystem. Right or wrong that has been my perception. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] My wifi card that isn't supported.

2014-07-28 Thread chris

 I am advancing GNU/Linux-libre beginning with the title.

[begin sarcasm]

To prove my dedication to the cause is greater than yours I'd like to condemn  
the Free Software Foundation for calling the system just "GNU/Linux". It's  
unforgivable that nobody in the free software community envisioned a day when  
the mainline kernel would include non-free software-or that we would have a  
new derivative work called “Linux-libre”. I'd also like to apologize on  
behalf of ThinkPenguin for not having seen this either.


[/end sarcasm]

For those who know the history of the Linux kernel it wasn't always inclusive  
of non-free software. There was even a time when RMS didn't insist on people  
calling Linux GNU/Linux. This was a time before the "open source" movement.


ThinkPenguin supports free software on distributions that include some  
non-free software. This is no different than what the Free Software  
Foundation itself recommends/enables via some of its pages:


“You can install free software applications on your Windows machine and use  
them instead of proprietary software from Microsoft and others. “


Source: https://www.fsf.org/working-together/moving/windows

They aren't talking about X Windows here either.

Most people here didn't switch to Trisquel or any other 100% free  
distribution overnight. Ensuring users of distributions which include some  
non-free software are properly supported is an enabler of free software  
adoption.


I have taken steps to convince Debian to change its policy, include the free  
firmware package and recommend it to be installed, instead of the nonfree  
one.


A few things. Debian core already has a policy of excluding non-free blobs  
and the reason for its current inclusion of the ath9k-htc and carl9170  
firmware in the non-free repository is complicated. See below for details.  
Debian already goes by the name Debian GNU/Linux too... so I'm unsure what  
policy or part your trying to change.


ThinkPenguin has also made efforts to get a variety of different  
distributions to include carl9170 and ath9k-htc firmware (both under free  
software licenses). After talking to different people from a variety of  
distributions quite a few responded by including ath9k-htc firmware and/or  
fixing related issues.


That said I've corresponded with the Debian package maintainers and can  
actually tell you what the problem is/was thats holding the free firmware  
back from being included in the main repository. It's the unusual toolchain  
and size. Everything in the mainline kernel has to compile in an automated  
and standard way. This is the Debian policy. As carl9170 and ath9k-htc do not  
follow the norms how one would go about including it is unclear. I don't  
claim to have a perfect memory, but this is my recollection of the situation.


And let us not forget the logo is a penguin and GNU mascots weren't among  
penguin mascots at the ThinkPenguin stand advertised here.


First of all you know nothing of what I attempted years ago, nor know of the  
issues were with licensing, trademarks, etc. If I had chosen a name like  
'ThinkGNU' it may have violated an FSF or other entities/persons  
trademark/copyright. While I don't recall the exact order of events I did  
email the FSF about getting permission to utilize the trademark/copyright.  
Unfortunately it seems that the correct email address to send such requests  
to goes directly to the bit bucket. I got no response.


While correct we have attended at least one conference without the GNU (I'm  
human, I forgot it) we've been to many other conferences with BOTH the GNU  
mascot and the penguin mascot in attendance.


It made little difference at the event your referring as we also always use  
Trisquel as the distribution on the laptops on display and talk about free  
software, and non-free software issues. At the most recent non-GNU/Linux and  
not freedom-oriented event we attended (with about 3000 people I believe) you  
can see the GNU mascot, one of the Trisquel case badges, on of the computers  
with a 'powered by GNU/Linux' case badge on it (white system, lower left),  
and the “working together for free software” mouse pads. If you check out  
the brochures seen on the table you'll also notice we're primarily talking  
about free software using words such as “GNU/Linux” and saying “built  
on GNU and Linux”. We're the 1st or 2nd most GNU-friendly and free software  
friendly table at every event. The only reason we're often the 2nd is because  
the FSF is nearly always in attendance and spouts lots of GNU-merchandise for  
sale.








Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox (and perhaps even Abrowser) is sending data about the downloads to Google

2014-07-28 Thread jabjabs
*sign* It worries me that a group such as Mozilla appear to slowly sliding  
into a den of privacy and freedom issues that they appear to promote as being  
a strong point of the platform.


First it was caving to DRM requirements and now it is this. Yes it is not  
active for a lot of people but functions such as these should not be  
considered if they really believe in the state purposes.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 Wallpapers

2014-07-28 Thread jabjabs
Personal new task for the next few weeks - Make some new backgrounds, if my  
skills still allow me to do it. :D


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Seven!!!

2014-07-28 Thread joel

I'm on Trisquel 6, and I just want to make sure I understand this correctly.

So, if I install a pre-release, then when 7.0 is officially released I can  
upgrade from within my pre-release install? That is, instead of a installing  
from another new ISO? Is that correct?


And also, is the following link to pre-releases?
http://devel.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox (and perhaps even Abrowser) is sending data about the downloads to Google

2014-07-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki

SafeBrowsing should be renamed to GoogleBrowsing.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Firefox (and perhaps even Abrowser) is sending data about the downloads to Google

2014-07-28 Thread legimet . calc

SafeBrowsing is disabled by default, so it's not a problem.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser 30 slow html5 video

2014-07-28 Thread alonivtsan
You can also try instead SMTube (get it via the official PPA) - which plays  
the YouTube videos via your preferred video player.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Firefox (and perhaps even Abrowser) is sending data about the downloads to Google

2014-07-28 Thread magicbanana
I think the string is never used if the second box of Preferences/Security is  
unchecked. It is unchecked on my system and I do not remember having  
unchecked it manually.


[Trisquel-users] Firefox (and perhaps even Abrowser) is sending data about the downloads to Google

2014-07-28 Thread Adfeno Huvlov
It seems that Firefox has a preference on its about:config page
called browser.safebrowsing.appRepURL which, according to the
author of the article, is responsible for sending data about the
downloaded files to Google. This can be fixed just by removing
the value (by double clicking on it and deleting all the text
inside) and then restarting the browser.

I just checked if my Abrowser has this value set, and it does.
So I just fixed it here.

Just heard about this on a Diaspora post, here is the link of
the post (in Brazilian Portuguese):
https://diasporabr.com.br/posts/216539

And here is the link of the article (in Spanish):
http://www.softzone.es/2014/07/27/evita-que-firefox-envie-
informacion-de-las-descargas-google/

Best regards, ADFENO.
Have a nice day.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] LAN party: free software recomendations?

2014-07-28 Thread secondnature

Very useful thread! Checking out openarena now.

I recommend OpenRA (based on Red Alert 1) Haven't played it for a while, but  
I got folks to install it at a LAN party and we had fun!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?

2014-07-28 Thread noordinaryspider

Yep, I get a black screen and can't even run live off the USB stick. :(

Here's lspci:

noordinaryspider@ThinkPad-T61:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory  
Controller Hub (rev 0c)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960  
Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated  
Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 0c)
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566MM Gigabit Network  
Connection (rev 03)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI  
Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI  
Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI  
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio  
Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1  
(rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2  
(rev 03)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 3  
(rev 03)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4  
(rev 03)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5  
(rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI  
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI  
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI  
Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI  
Controller #1 (rev 03)

00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M-E) LPC Interface  
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE  
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA  
Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev  
03)
03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan]  
Network Connection (rev 02)

15:00.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ba)
15:00.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev  
04)
16:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR5416 Wireless Network Adapter  
[AR5008 802.11(a)bgn] (rev 01)

noordinaryspider@ThinkPad-T61:~$ ^C

This is a workhorse, but not my only workhorse, so I greatly appreciate  
David's advice on keeping her out of the landfill and usable for some, but  
not all, of my day to day life needs.


Of course I fixed grub this morning so it would boot straight to 3.14 without  
holding down the shift key. Even I am not that lazy. ;)


Triskel is actually running quite nicely in Aqemu on my (family's shared)  
desktop now. I'm not a huge fan of KDE4, but LXDE installed just fine and I  
can live with that so I have my playtoy now even though it's virtual and not  
physical. ;)


After a good night's sleep, I think the biggest problem is my ego. I'm in a  
different place in life than I was ten years ago when I enjoyed being an  
early adaptor.


The laptop isn't the only one who's getting old, and I'm probably better off  
accepting the gifts of time and expertise that Rueben, Jason, and the rest of  
you are offering me. My own energies might be better spent on the forums  
answering those time consuming newbie questions that can get repetitive, but  
are only boring if you don't allow yourself to see the unique, individual  
human stories behind each outwardly identical post.


So many of my contemporaries are at a place where they reply to my own simple  
questions with, "My son told me to tell you to tell your son to just buy you  
an iPad."


At least I don't live in that world. :D

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions in a respectful manner  
that will help me to stay free.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser 30 slow html5 video

2014-07-28 Thread arielgnu

Well I finally decided to use ViewTube_GM and VLC as described in my post:

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/viewtube-vlc-abrowser

I lastly I wanted to mention that disabling "hardware acceleration" didn't  
solve the problem, and also, the problem was shown some times even with 360p  
videos and even without using full screen.


I have seen that this problem has been reported to firefox a lot, so  
hopefully it would be solved in the near future.


See you all.





Re: [Trisquel-users] Ruben's talk won't be available via livestream but instead recorded and uploaded.

2014-07-28 Thread myself600
I agree that most of us doesn't have the opportunity to visit the conferences  
in person and that livestreams aren't the best way of providing the talks to  
the masses either because of the poor recording/encoding quality as we  
experienced it in the past, and now again.


One of the possible solutions would be, in my humble opinion, for Rubén to  
always ensure before his talks that "someone" makes a proper video recording  
(even a simple audio recording through microphone output should be sufficient  
enough). This time it looks like this have happened, so we just need to wait  
for the results.


As a side note, always do remember that Trisquel is 99% developed  
single-handedly by one person (Rubén), so this means he's extremely busy  
with the development at times (don't expect him to be perfect).




Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 Wallpapers

2014-07-28 Thread myself600
I personally like Rubén's pictures better, probably better that the current  
artwork for Belenos. Also, considering the position of the panel makes this  
wallpaper a bad match.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 Wallpapers

2014-07-28 Thread davesamcdxv

I think this is a better raindrop-themed wallpaper :)
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blue+Rain?content=165873


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 Wallpapers

2014-07-28 Thread myself600

Nice. I also like the raindrops themed ones from quidam's blog.

http://quidam.cc/fotos/08-07-2014/rgb



Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?

2014-07-28 Thread davesamcdxv
Here's a workaround (not the world's best, though): When Toutatis reaches  
EOL, change the repository entries in /etc/apt/sources.list to


http://oldarchive.trisquel.info/trisquel toutatis main

(and of course, do the same for toutatis-security and toutatis-updates)
since the Toutatis contents of archive.trisquel.info would be moved there by  
then.


You won't get any updates then, though, and I don't think packages will be  
patched, etc. That's why I said that it isn't the world's best. (Anyway I'm  
typing this from a newly installed and updated Trisquel Dagda)


Still, as lembas said, I think you should first run "lspci" and post the  
results here.


Re: [Trisquel-users] ViewTube with VLC in abrowser

2014-07-28 Thread davesamcdxv
Actually having Totem installed also isn't enough to get its Mozilla plugin,  
you'd need the totem-mozilla package as well.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 Wallpapers

2014-07-28 Thread davesamcdxv
Having taken another look at the license file I think that too many picture  
didn't quite specify the licences they're in, which means they aren't quite  
free (yet):

-
The following files are licensed and redistributed non-commercially with  
permission from "bo0xVn" < http://bo0xvn.deviantart.com/ >.


* 2.jpg
* 16.jpg
* 94.jpg
* 159.jpg
* 164.jpg
* 168.jpg
* 173.jpg
* Paris la Tour Eiffel.jpg


The following files are licensed and redistributed with permission from Jason  
Absolom < http://jasonabsolom.deviantart.com/ >.


* Lake McDonald.jpg
* Lighthouse.jpg
* Temple.jpg


The following files are licensed and redistributed with permission under the  
terms of the CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 <  
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.en >. Original work by  
Romain Guy < http://www.flickr.com/people/romainguy/ >.


* Horseshoe Bend Sunset.jpg
* Lake Tahoe Colors.jpg


The following file is licensed and redistributed with permission under the  
terms of the CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 <  
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.en >. Original work by  
Trey Ratcliff < http://www.flickr.com/people/stuckincustoms/ >.


* Our Night Under The Stars.jpg


The following file is licensed and redistributed with permission from  
"Agusto" < http://kenderson.deviantart.com/ >.


* Tunnel.jpg


The following file is licensed and redistributed with permission under the  
terms of the CC BY 3.0 < http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ >.  
Original work by TANAKA Juuyoh (田中十洋) <  
http://www.flickr.com/people/tanaka_juuyoh/ >, modified by "Islingt0ner" <  
http://islingt0ner.deviantart.com/ >.


* Water Lily.jpg


The following file is licensed and redistributed with permission under the  
terms of the CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 <  
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ >. Original work by Majk M.  
Miklavc < http://stormmajki.deviantart.com/ >.


* morning.jpg


The following file is redistributed with permission from "Delta909" <  
http://delta909.deviantart.com/ >.


* Urban Dream.jpg


The following file is licensed and redistributed with permission under the  
terms of the CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 <  
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/ >. Original work by Sven  
Müller < http://emats.deviantart.com/ >.


* Leaves.jpg

The following file is redistributed with credit to "hombre-cz" <  
http://hombre-cz.deviantart.com/art/Cold-Evening-wall-108751613 >.


* Cold Evening.jpg

The following file is redistributed with credit to "Mikkoliini" <  
http://mikkoliini.deviantart.com/art/STAR-RIVER-170786374 >.


* Star River.jpg
---
At least 1 of the images that says "given permission by" turned out to be  
free, yet at least another didn't have its license specified at its page.


I might've missed something of course (in which case please tell me I did)  
but doesn't non-commercially mean that a picture isn't really free (and even  
though I'd happily use it privately it does prevent me from commercially  
making use of an OS that includes it, right?)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 Wallpapers

2014-07-28 Thread davesamcdxv

They ain't too bad (if at all)!

Having said that I still think there are better ones out there.


Re: [Trisquel-users] LAN party: free software recomendations?

2014-07-28 Thread myself600
Unfortunately, Brutal Doom currently cannot be used in complete freedom,  
since ZDoom (the source port on which Zandronum is based) is infested with  
non-free stuff on a level that makes it more non-free than free. However,  
with time and dedication, there could be a liberated version created (we're  
missing such project yet).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Ruben's talk won't be available via livestream but instead recorded and uploaded.

2014-07-28 Thread shiretoko

No, you got it wrong... it was a joke.
RMS repeats all the time that it doesn't matter how bad things work out with  
a piece of software as long as it's free.
So I said that the guys from libre planet didn't manage to do the recording  
done but they avoided proprietary software so it's a success.
A joke! 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Ruben's talk won't be available via livestream but instead recorded and uploaded.

2014-07-28 Thread tegskywalker
Was Ruben's talk recorded on non-free software? Either way, what us the point  
of him giving a speech if no one sees it?


Re: [Trisquel-users] LAN party: free software recomendations?

2014-07-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki

And for even more games, there is the

https://libregamewiki.org/

(games made of free code AND free media)


Re: [Trisquel-users] consultation

2014-07-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki

Thank you for your contributions! Hope the situation improves.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 Wallpapers

2014-07-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Those wallpapers could be losslessly compressed, e.g. using the Trimage  
package from Trisquel repos.


I only tried compressing the 1.png and it shunk in size 11.1%.


Re: [Trisquel-users] laravel

2014-07-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki
And sometimes something claims to be under a certain license but actually  
isn't, e.g. the Linux kernel... :-/


(supposedly GPL'd but contains binary blobs)

So the only way to be relatively sure is to see if it claims to be under a  
free license and even if yes then go looking around the tree for files which  
don't comply with the license or even come with a license of their own...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?

2014-07-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Does it remain black screen? I believe that's what happens with some radeons.  
Don't know if there is a workaround.


You can find out your hardware with thelspcicommand.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Ruben's talk won't be available via livestream but instead recorded and uploaded.

2014-07-28 Thread shiretoko

You know the rms stance:
As long as it's recorded without proprietary software it doesn't matter if  
the video exists or not ;)