Re: [Trisquel-users] On screen notifications

2014-08-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Unfortunately and incredibly, no. The Gnome 3 devs in their infinite wisdom  
decided that a fixed delay is best ignoring a horde of users complaining  
about this decision.


Re: [Trisquel-users] On screen notifications

2014-08-19 Thread nux

That's pretty much what I expected to hear.
I had a mooch about in System Settings,  couldn't see anything related and  
thought I bet this has been stripped out completely.

I really like Trisquel 7, but I hate Gnome will all my heart.

So, time to find an alternative DE.


Re: [Trisquel-users] On screen notifications

2014-08-19 Thread nux

So, time to find an alternative DE.

Except - MATE is, well, MATE, Cinnamon appears to be on its way out, XFCE  
won't install, KDE is KDE (nothing wrong with it, but I sort of prefer all  
the other DE's), enlightenment is a bit too quirky and WM is ancient.
So, the default Trisquel 7 desktop it is and I'll just have to put up with  
the idiotic Gnome design decisions.


Re: [Trisquel-users] On screen notifications

2014-08-19 Thread gnufreeme
If you can't install XFCE, have you tried using a lightweight WM (like  
Fluxbox!) with XFCE settings running in the background? You can manually  
install xfce4-notifyd and use xfce4-notifyd-config to set the duration of  
your notifications.





[Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread tegskywalker

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/munich-city-linux-switching-back-windows

Its a shame because I feel that they are giving up and this will fall on the  
backs of the tax payers. This is also why its essential to get younger people  
educated about free and open source software at an early age and understand  
it so when they enter the workforce, they won't be confused.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I want the default Trisquel 6 font back.

2014-08-19 Thread tegskywalker

Isn't the default Droid Sans?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Let's not spread the FUD, shall we? The actual headline of the article is Is  
Munich City About to Switch Back to Windows from Linux?, despite the  
clickbait URL. And looks like the source for this rumor is Neowin, a  
Microsoft news web site. This is exactly the kind of level of journalism one  
can expect from a blog titled omgubuntu.


Of course proprietary software will not interoperate and of course this will  
mean trouble for the users. However the sensible solution hardly is to use  
more proprietary software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread tegskywalker
I think the real reason is that people are so hung up on Microsoft Office and  
used to the interface and the tools. Other than that, they can use the same  
web browsers (Chrome, Chromium, Firefox) and have the ability to open and  
save PDF files on the majority of GNU/Linux distros.


LibreOffice, if it had an interface that wasn't straight out of 1997,  
probably would have been better received. The look of that office suite has  
been an issue for a long time and all we got were some graphical mockups from  
a few years ago with nothing actually happening. I use it because its free,  
but to the average consumer, it looks amateur and horribly dated.


I know you guys hate to hear this, but if they used an interface that was  
friendly to Windows (Cinnamon or MATE) and/or Mac (Elementary OS), then it  
would have been better. Heck, even using Ubuntu with Unity would have been an  
improvement.


I had never heard of the OS they used for the deployment and it was probably  
not the best option to go with something that wasn't Ubuntu or at least  
Ubuntu based. What the hell is LiMux?


Re: [Trisquel-users] I want the default Trisquel 6 font back.

2014-08-19 Thread legimet . calc

Yeah, and by default Sans Serif is Droid Sans.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Triskel 7 issues with Abrowser

2014-08-19 Thread legimet . calc
Install IceCat instead. The gtk2-engines-oxygen theme in 7.0 works with  
IceCat but not Abrowser.


[Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7: What'd the release schedule and where's the beta?

2014-08-19 Thread nleschov
I would like to try out Trisquel 7. Where can I download the current beta  
version?


What is the schedule for release of Trisquel 7?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7: What'd the release schedule and where's the beta?

2014-08-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I would like to try out Trisquel 7. Where can I download the current beta  
version?


Here http://devel.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/7/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7: What'd the release schedule and where's the beta?

2014-08-19 Thread garsmith

Here you can download beta releases
http://devel.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread onpon4

t3g said:
 I had never heard of the OS they used for the deployment and it was  
probably
 not the best option to go with something that wasn't Ubuntu or at least  
Ubuntu

 based. What the hell is LiMux?

From Wikipedia:

LiMux is a project by the city of Munich to migrate their software systems  
from closed-source, proprietary Microsoft products to free and open source  
software


LiMux is also the name of the Linux distribution being used for the  
project It was first based on Debian, but later changed to Ubuntu  
[V]ersion 4.1 available from August 2012 is... based on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread onpon4
I first heard about this from this post:  
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/linux-on-the-desktop-pioneer-munich-now-considering-a-switch-back-to-windows/


It includes the following quote:

[Josef Schmid's] views aren't held universally, with the City Council  
defending the 'LiMux' project and suggesting that the coalition  
administration is using the Linux migration as a scapegoat. The Council says  
the use of open source software has yielded savings of more than €10  
million (more than $13 million).


Karl-Heinz Schneider, head of municipal IT services, seems to endorse this  
view. He says it's no surprise that a new platform should temporarily  
generate more support requests, and he wasn't aware of any particular  
complaints.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7: What'd the release schedule and where's the beta?

2014-08-19 Thread nleschov

Thanks! Somehow, the link wasn't obvious for me?

What is the state of the development and when can we expect the final  
release? I guess there's no schedule?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread tegskywalker
I think this comment pretty much sums up that Microsoft may have a hand in  
this:


Microsoft, whose German HQ relocates to Munich in 2016, say they are 'ready  
to talk' if and when things change.


[Trisquel-users] I want to share this interview with RMS

2014-08-19 Thread arielgnu

Hi all:

I just wanted to share this video I found on youtube:

Richard Stallman: We're heading for a total disaster
http://youtu.be/uFMMXRoSxnA

It's an interview with RMS and I really like it a lot, but I'm sure there is  
thousands of good interviews out there. I really feel like RMS was very  
eloquent in that specific interview, I mean, I'm sure that it is something he  
has been working for so long, but it makes me wonder, what will happen once  
he is all gone? I mean I'm sure there is really good speakers out there when  
it comes to free software and maybe I just don't know their names, and the  
future of free software can not stand in the hands of one person, but I feel  
than losing him will be a great lost.


I feel he is one of the main people that has keep us in the right track, but  
maybe I'm wrong. Still, freedom is never easy, and we will have to keep  
strong and work hard even if he is around or not.


I feel like I have asked this question before but if some one could suggest a  
few other speakers I'll like to look for them and heard them. Thank you.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread nux
Microsoft, whose German HQ relocates to Munich in 2016, say they are 'ready  
to talk' if and when things change.


I think it pretty much explains the whole situation. Sad to say, but given  
Microsoft's previous tactics I don't give Linux much of a chance in Munich in  
the long term. It would be a fantastic victory for Microsoft for them to win  
the city back and they'll make much of it if they do and a perpetual thorn  
in their sides to have the city their German HQ is in not using Windows.


That said, there are plenty of other examples of Linux being used elsewhere  
in Europe, Munich is just another city and anyone with a brain will spot the  
Microsoft connection to any pressure they might be under.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters



Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7: What'd the release schedule and where's the beta?

2014-08-19 Thread nux
But for lack of resuming from Suspend and the occasional hung boot, it's  
running nicely for me.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread legimet . calc

Why did they decide to make their own distro?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread onpon4
I don't know, but it's not like they built it entirely from scratch, and  
other government projects to migrate to GNU/Linux have done the same thing.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread legimet . calc

Just look at the interface. It uses KDE 3.5.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux


[Trisquel-users] all-in-one computer options

2014-08-19 Thread cmhobbs
My son really likes to use the computers at the local library and I've been  
looking to replace my mac mini which runs Xubuntu (I'm not sure Trisquel  
would have the necessary drivers).  I believe an all-in-one would be a good  
fit here at home but I'm having trouble identifying one that might be  
friendly to Free Software.


The ones at his library appear to be ASUS machines running AWE  
(http://www.awelearning.com/).  I believe AWE might be a GNU/Linux variant  
because it has applications like tuxpaint installed, which my son immediately  
recognized from home.


I like ASUS gear but their line of machines is quite confusing.  It appears  
as if System76 has a good all-in-one, but it may be a little out of my price  
range.


Is anyone running Trisquel on an all-in-one?  Are there any known to be Free  
Software friendly?


I'm off to comb h-node for the time being.

Thanks!


Re: [Trisquel-users] all-in-one computer options

2014-08-19 Thread jabjabs
I'm not sure about the System 76 machines, they are probably your closest bet  
at this point (Closed Bios/Firmware) but as you said the cost is a real  
issue.


I will look around however.

Side note : That Mac Mini should work fine so long as you don't need Wifi.  
Trisquel supports Mac hardware incredibly well including the camera on the  
Laptops. That said I am stuck on a Macbook fo the mean while because of costs  
and as far as non-free firmware goes it would have to be one of the worst  
offenders out there.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread jabjabs
Having worked in places like this, I get the feeling that some of the reasons  
why the users complain can be extremely shallow, 'Doesn't run iTunes but I  
don't want to tell the Boss that' kind of things.


Only anecdotal evidence here but it is a factor.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I want to share this interview with RMS

2014-08-19 Thread jabjabs
Oh yeah that is one of his great interviews, he is one of those people that  
you can bring up any subject and he will have a definite opinion on it even  
if that is just to say I don't know - it is better than making something  
up.


Also yes Freedom is not easy, it is very hard to obtain and maintain. In fact  
I'm currently writing an Essay on this topic at the very moment, essentially  
the reason we need Free software (the typical stuff - the intro), how I  
personally came to believe it is right thing to do and the third and biggest  
part the difficulties of sticking to it and the temptations of the old ways.


Even when he is not around there will always be others to carry the torch.  
For instance here is a talk from Bradley M Kuhn's on the GNU audio/video page  
(http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/bradley-m-kuhn-software-freedom-and-the-gnu-generation-07-2002.ogg).  
This really put a nice new perspective on the same free software issues.  
There will always be others.


Re: [Trisquel-users] all-in-one computer options

2014-08-19 Thread cmhobbs
I'll have to sit down and try to get Trisquel installed some evening, then.   
I don't currently use the wifi with the mini, so that's good to know.


What about graphics issues?  Does that sort of thing work out of the box?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread onpon4

Yeah. What of it?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread legimet . calc
It looks really ugly, I don't think anyone would like to use such an  
interface.


Re: [Trisquel-users] all-in-one computer options

2014-08-19 Thread onpon4

Depends on what kind of GPU you have.

Intel integrated graphics (e.g. Intel GMA and Intel HD) work perfectly. Intel  
actually provides free/libre drivers for these.


Nvidia cards are hit-and-miss, since their free/libre software support  
depends on reverse-engineering. Many of them work really well, and some of  
them only partly work (e.g. missing 3-D support). Upgrading the kernel to get  
a newer version of Nouveau can sometimes help if you have problems.


AMD/ATI graphics are the worst. They generally work, but only in 2-D; 3-D  
requires a proprietary firmware blob. These GPUs should be avoided the most.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread onpon4

Sure. I think it's ugly, too.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I want to share this interview with RMS

2014-08-19 Thread jason

The loss of RMS would be sad indeed.

Another great speaker is Eben Moglen.

Here's one of his talks:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2010/feb/08/audio-and-video-eben-moglens-talk-freedom-cloud-no/

There are tons more all over the internet such as:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Eben_Moglen

This one is probably one of my favorites. I love how he tells Tim O'Reilly  
off:

http://cachefly.oreilly.com/radar/oscon2007/OSCON_2007_Eben_Moglen.ogg


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread jabjabs

It is characterless but functional, essentially what a government needs. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] all-in-one computer options

2014-08-19 Thread jabjabs
Based off the Macbook, the video drivers work perfectly fine for the Intel  
systems.


In relation to Nvidia, I have found that T7 works better than T6 simply due  
to more current Nouveau drivers.


As for the Wifi, Broadcom seem to be very low (if ever) at releasing Free  
drivers so an external USB adaptor is usually required - like the ones from  
ThinkPenguin or Tehnoetic are a great choice.


[Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Shell on Trisquel 7 I18N 64-bit.

2014-08-19 Thread D. A. H.
Maybe I should wait for 7 to be fully out before trying this?  Any 
ideas?  Terminal output below.



Thanks,


Dave


dave@Toshiba:~$ sudo apt-get install gnome-shell mutter
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 gnome-shell : Depends: gnome-shell-common (= 3.10.4-0ubuntu5) but 
3.10.4-0ubuntu5.2 is to be installed
   Recommends: gnome-contacts but it is not going to be 
installed
   Recommends: gdm (= 3.5.90) but it is not going to be 
installed

E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
dave@Toshiba:~$


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-19 Thread nux
I get the feeling that some of the reasons why the users complain can be  
extremely shallow


Yup, I can attest to that. And some will simply refuse to cooperate - they  
will not try, they will not learn, they will make up problems and whine to  
the wrong people, deliberately, they will do things wrong then claim they did  
them right but this stupid software breaks everything, they will bring in  
devices they weren't allowed to bring in when they used Windows, etc, etc,  
etc. Anything so they can get Windows back.
I never cease to be amazed over the psychological reactions people display  
when you take Windows off them or even suggest they try something else.  
Panic, unreasonable behaviour, loss of higher brain functions, displays of  
helplessness - from grown ups (remember when there used to be grown ups in  
the world? Now it seems there are mostly just badly behaved, stupid children  
masquerading as adults).