Re: [Trisquel-users] Penguin Wireless N USB Adapter Love it!

2014-11-23 Thread davesamcdxv
Oh, OK. Maybe, just maybe, it'd be a little bit better if you wrote what the  
price is without tax and mark it as being what the price it without tax:)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Penguin Wireless N USB Adapter Love it!

2014-11-23 Thread davesamcdxv

Bob?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Is this ARM64 Open Laptop Concept a free hardware notebook?

2014-11-23 Thread davesamcdxv
Well, don't say sorry yet because even after they said that I think they're  
still so far, a bit more open than Chris' computers!


And I wouldn't mind Chris' computers so I think they're still fine.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread davesamcdxv
It basically reads like 'look how awefull it is that thousands of programs  
get installed and executed on our pcs from random sources without our  
permission


As somebody who hasn't quite got the expertise in programming would you  
please enlighten at least myself as to why it isn't (assuming that's what  
you're implying with major differences)?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread davesamcdxv

https://gitorious.org


Re: [Trisquel-users] I love Trisquel 7

2014-11-23 Thread franparpe
I agree with you, Trisquel is fantastic. I made the switch from debian to  
Trisquel and I'm very happy with it. =)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Any DVD cover for this release?

2014-11-23 Thread bert . frohn

http://cdimage.trisquel.info/artwork/belenos/




[Trisquel-users] Configure guest-login in Trisquel 7

2014-11-23 Thread jaumetbb

Hi all.

I would like to know how to configure default settings for my guest login in  
Trisquel 7.


There are a couple of things I would like for default (i.e. mouseclick with  
touchpad, which is disabled in default configuration).
Every time I log out of my guest account, all settings are lost, which is the  
expected behaviour, but I would like to change the default settings of some  
of them, and I just don't know how to do it.


I red somewhere that /etc/guest-user/skel stores default settings for guest  
users, but I'm afraid is not true for Trisquel.


Would apreciate your help.

Thx.


[Trisquel-users] Cannot Update Star Catalogues in Stellarium

2014-11-23 Thread tesseract
I've just installed Stellarium, but cannot update the Star Catalogues in the  
configuration window.Catalogues 1 through 4 come preinstalled. Catalogue 5  
will update, apparently, but then will not progress to Catalogue 6.

I've tried uninstalling, then reinstalling the program to no avail.
Any thoughts out there?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Configure guest-login in Trisquel 7

2014-11-23 Thread davesamcdxv

Try /etc/skel.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I love Trisquel 7

2014-11-23 Thread gromobir
I also agree with you. So far I didn't encounter any bugs and it really looks  
nice. :-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] I love Trisquel 7

2014-11-23 Thread lev . lazinskiy
I also agree. :) Trisquel 7 is the best release yet! 


[Trisquel-users] Start up directory for Trisquel Mini?

2014-11-23 Thread hosh
Is there one, in order to place there programs that start after login?  If  
not, what's an alternative strategy.  Thanks.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Start up directory for Trisquel Mini?

2014-11-23 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp

Mini uses LXDE which uses Openbox. Put the commands to

~/.config/openbox/autostart


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread niknyby
That doesn't matter, because JavaScript code can still do malicious things  
that you don't want it to do, like making an AJAX request to Google  
Analytics.


Even if the JavaScript isn't doing something malicious, there are countless  
reasons why you would want to change what the code is doing. It doesn't  
matter that it runs in your browser sandbox, because the JavaScript still has  
complete control over the web page you're visiting.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Penguin Wireless N USB Adapter Love it!

2014-11-23 Thread jason

Bob = CTO, ThinkPenguin


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread niknyby
Yeah, Gitorious works as a place to host git repositories, but it doesn't  
have most of the features that GitHub provides. It would be nice to see an  
issue tracker in Gitorious, as well as a web hosting mechanism like  
onpon4.github.io is using.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread shiretoko

 But Julian's essay is talking about nonfree or proprietary JavaScript code

First of all, that's just wrong. Julian is explicitly talking about all  
javascript out there, free as well as non-free. Librejs aims to wipe out  
non-free javascript, but that's not enough to his eyes.


If i understood correctly, one of his main problems with javascript is that  
those 'programs' get silently 'installed and executed' from various untrusted  
sources.
But those sandboxed scripts can't really do much so this sounds more  
dramatical than it actually is. That's my whole point.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
 If all you care about is security, then sure, you can say JavaScript is  
pretty much fine


I think there are too many JS related issues for one to be able to say so.

https://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Penguin Wireless N USB Adapter Love it!

2014-11-23 Thread andrew
OK, because your stuff doesn't come with the end user paperwork for WEEE I  
hadn't realised we were still paying the taxes for it and the other EU /  
member state levies and regulations.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread niknyby
What I should have said is: his essay talks about the differences of nonfree  
and free JavaScript, not malicious and non-malicious JavaScript.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread niknyby
Well, that is a different issue then. And that's being addressed by the  
Mozilla team.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread niknyby
If i understood correctly, one of his main problems with javascript is that  
those 'programs' get silently 'installed and executed' from various untrusted  
sources.


You're right, that does seem to be his main concern. In that case, I'd  
suggest NoScript, or not running JavaScript at all.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Start up directory for Trisquel Mini?

2014-11-23 Thread Andrew Lindley
http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart

ISTR the system and user based LXSession autostart:s have
Trisquel-mini instead of the Lubuntu in the example path there.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread niknyby

From Julian's essay:

Let's suppose even further that LibreJS succeeds so much that it causes a  
large portion of the Web to release scripts under libre licenses and document  
the licenses in a format LibreJS can understand.


It seems great on the surface, but what follows from this is that software is  
still being silently installed into our browsers every day. The only  
difference is that LibreJS thinks the programs are libre.


Right, and this is the only problem that LibreJS aims to solve:  
http://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/manual/html_node/Disclaimer.html#Disclaimer



Maybe a different tool could figure out if the free script has changed since  
the last time you ran it?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Configure guest-login in Trisquel 7

2014-11-23 Thread jaumetbb

Well, I'll do, but this if for ALL new users... anywhere just for guests?

Thx


[Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-11-23 Thread stask

The Librem 15 will use a Trisquel based operating system.

https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop

Sounds pretty good, but I don't know...

Haven't seen it mentioned here so I thought I would post something.

Do the sponsors of this not hang around here? Strange they mention Trisquel  
but no post on this.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread onpon4
To my mind, for the system of JavaScript to be acceptable, each script  
installation must be explicitly authorized by the user, unless the user has  
decided to place trust in someone, and permanent so that you can keep an old  
version; and it needs to be possible to install other scripts in place of the  
requested scripts.


But I argue that this would be a wasted effort. We can achieve the same  
result of the users being in control of their own scripts by rejecting the  
JavaScript requests entirely and using user scripts instead, where it makes  
sense to. We can even replace proprietary scripts ourselves via user scripts.  
For example, while it is probably not the intention of the developer,  
ViewTube works as a libre replacement for YouTube's JavaScript code.


One thing that could be helpful is if we could convert typical JavaScript  
code into user scripts. I don't know whether or not this is possible, though,  
because I'm not familiar with JavaScript programming, much less the user  
script API. Could anyone provide some insight?


Re: [Trisquel-users] long-term sustainability of Trisquel -- what if we lose core developers?

2014-11-23 Thread dhunt
Since gedit no longer works with orca, I use mousepad.  In the brief tests  
I've done, Sound Recorder seems to work.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-11-23 Thread Tiberiu C. Turbureanu
On 23.11.2014 22:01, st...@openmailbox.org wrote:
 The Librem 15 will use a Trisquel based operating system.

Thank you for posting this here, I didn't know about this project!

 https://www.crowdsupply.com/pueyrism/librem-laptop
 
 Sounds pretty good, but I don't know...

They say (in section What About the BIOS and firmware?) that they are
in negotiations with Intel to free the BIOS and until then they use
coreboot. They also talk about the firmware for HD and SSD which is
upgradable and they are working to set it free as well. I hope they succeed.

Useful links:

http://puri.sm/posts/purism-librem-15-certification-results/

http://puri.sm/posts/purism-software-freedom-deconstructed/

http://puri.sm/posts/bios-freedom-status/

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Opening usb memory when plug not working on trisquel 7

2014-11-23 Thread lev . lazinskiy

Hello,

Please have a look at the bug report, the issue is that the drive is not auto  
mounting and it can be fixed simply by installing usbmount.


http://trisquel.info/en/issues/12790#comment-59696

Best,
Lev


Re: [Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-11-23 Thread lev . lazinskiy
Wow, this is awesome! Thanks for sharing :) 


[Trisquel-users] Belenos: Accessible GUI Calendar app?

2014-11-23 Thread dhunt

Hi,

I found the Lightning extension from the Mozilla site, and want to add it to  
icedove; how can I do this?  Opening the '.xpi' file with icedove starts an  
empty message.  The xul-ext-lightning package will not install, due to  
Ubuntu's thunderbird being a dependency.  Evolution calendar is not an  
option; the app is inaccessible with orca.


Thanks,

-Dave




Re: [Trisquel-users] Belenos: Accessible GUI Calendar app?

2014-11-23 Thread lev . lazinskiy

Hi Dave,

Adding Lightning is very simple!

1) Open IceDove

2) Open the Menu on the top right

3) Select Add-Ons

* (Alternatively you can right click on the top of the IceDove window, select  
Menu Bar and then go to Tools - Add-Ons)


4) Search for Lightning

5) Install and Restart IceDove

Best,
Lev 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 will be released next week.

2014-11-23 Thread ashok . biollay
Yes, I understood that 50$ is the discount. I asked : if I buy two laptops,  
is the discount 100$ ? [If I buy n laptops, is the discount 50n$ ?]


[Trisquel-users] Gimp 2.8 on Trisquel 6

2014-11-23 Thread fredb30

Hi!

I have Trisquel 6 and It seems that the up-to-date version of GIMP is 2.6 but  
their website says they have a v2.8 available ?

Is it possible to have GIMP 2.8 on Trisquel 6.0 ?

Thanks


[Trisquel-users] is Debian GNU/Hurd free?

2014-11-23 Thread adel . afzal
It's not on the approved distro list.  Is that because it comes with  
proprietary software, recommends, or facilitates?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-11-23 Thread jason
I'm pretty sure the graphics are non-free. And why did they fork Trisquel  
into Purism GNU/Linux? And why aren't they seeking FSF's RYF certification?  
(Because it would not qualify, which is a good indicator of how free it  
really is - It automatically fails the RYF criteria due to the proprietary  
software for the BIOS irrespective of graphics hardware. We have already have  
machines with free BIOSes and giving the RYF certification to a machine  
without it seems like a step backward for software freedom.)


http://puri.sm/posts/purism-software-freedom-deconstructed/ seems a bit  
misleading, seems like they're trying to measure freedom and of course you  
can weigh in a lot of free software on many machines even with proprietary  
drivers too and make those proprietary things seem like a tiny, insignificant  
thing when compared against the total number of packages in the distro, just  
like what they seem to be trying here. Another thing that seems misleading is  
when they said A boot loader is the first software program that runs when a  
computer starts right after they just finished talk of another software  
program that was running before the bootloader. Huh?


Ignoring the marketing spin, the level of software freedom provided by the  
hardware seems to be exactly the same as what you'd get from any other mass  
market-produced laptop once you install Trisquel on it i.e., all of the hard  
parts from the hardware are still there (graphics, BIOS, etc.) I don't see  
this bringing us any closer to having more 100% free laptops and can easily  
see how it will cause some confusion from people thinking it does while  
falling short of the previously announced ThinkPads (and some other upcoming  
devices) that were given the RYF certification.


They do talk of trying to get free source code for things which is nice if  
true... BUT... I can't imagine that they're big enough to make demands on  
companies like Intel and HDD manufacturers to get Free source code and have  
it carry any weight. Would be good if it happened though.


Re: [Trisquel-users] is Debian GNU/Hurd free?

2014-11-23 Thread jason
The Debian distros can be used in freedom if you're careful. The FSF won't  
put their name on it though since it's conditional (if you're careful) and  
because they have issues with what the project behind the distro is doing  
(distributing proprietary software as a side activity) and they don't seem to  
see an easy way to draw a line between Debian-the-distro and  
Debian-the-project-behind-the-distro - See their explanation for Debian at  
https://gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html


See also Optionally Free Is Not Enough (for FSF endorsement) at
https://gnu.org/distros/optionally-free-not-enough.html


Re: [Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-11-23 Thread gramex
I wonder if this is even legit... It isn't obvious who's behind it, and it  
seems too good to be true. I'd suggest being cautious.


I also noticed that section on DVD decryption in their FAQ  
(http://puri.sm/faq/) seemed kind of familiar. It turns out that a couple of  
paragraphs from the Enable DVD Playback page were copied from Trisquel's wiki  
and published with some minor changes.


The original wiki page: https://mediacru.sh/b_LFVDVnHU7J  
(https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/enable-dvd-playback)

The DVD section of the FAQ: https://mediacru.sh/eklkwc5tLZxU

Everything in Trisquel's wiki is licensed under the GFDL, but Purism has not  
complied with the license at all. Purism's copyright notice:  
https://mediacru.sh/5m88RcPJtiVp


Re: [Trisquel-users] is Debian GNU/Hurd free?

2014-11-23 Thread jadonplevesque
Debian GNU/Hurd isn't a stable and usable for average users yet- it's  
testing, I believe. That may be why it's not on the list.
I find it unlikely that there's any non-free software for Hurd, or that  
Debian has a non-free repository for Hurd, but it's possible.

You should be able to run that Hurd OS in freedom.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-11-23 Thread gramex
Oops! I just read the bottom of the CrowdSupply page, and it says the project  
was started by a Todd Weaver, so I was mistaken when I said it's not obvious  
who's behind it. It looks like he is the CEO of a Seattle-based company  
called Ivi, Inc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivi%2C_Inc.)


@jxself
Purism claims the laptop's NVIDIA card fully works with the nouveau driver,  
and it has a wireless card that works with the ath9k driver.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't upgrade to Trisquel 7.0 :-(

2014-11-23 Thread fredb30

Ok, I installed Trisquel 7.0 and added # in front of the blacklisted drivers.
Like you predicted, my computer restarted with a black screen and never  
started up :-(


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 will be released next week.

2014-11-23 Thread Andrew Lindley
Sorry!  Quite by accident you happened to hit on a form of words often
used by a local minority to open bartering in my youth.

I suggest you go here 

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/about

And either get their GPG key or use the contact form to speak to
Thinkpenguin direct.  Chris has posted here since your last update, so
might have already missed it once.  

Leny


Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't upgrade to Trisquel 7.0 :-(

2014-11-23 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
One thing you could further try with radeon unblacklisted is adding the  
nomodeset grub parameter.


You need to edit (as superuser) /etc/default/grub and add nomodeset to the  
parameters after GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT


Then exit and save and run (as superuser) update-grub

And reboot.


Re: [Trisquel-users] is Debian GNU/Hurd free?

2014-11-23 Thread LDrumbler
Sometimes, free software is not enough. Sometimes, you need proprietary  
software to accompany free software and make it work. Surely a system with  
mostly free components and a single proprietary component is better than a  
fully proprietary system.


But Mr. Stallman thinks the user should not be told about the option to use  
the system with only a few non-free components. Not only is this censorship,  
he is harming his cause.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Automatically Installed JavaScript Must Die

2014-11-23 Thread LDrumbler

Yeah, your intentions are noble and all, but it's not going to happen.

What about dynamically created web pages? Responsive design? Do those not  
require JavaScript? Yet they are not replaceable by installed software.


The web is built on JavaScript, and it is normally used for good and not  
evil. So, unlike software (and I doubt that free software is ever going to  
take over), nobody is going to listen to the ramblings of a few radicals.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-11-23 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp

 Purism will prioritize free/libre software for our users.

Sounds like it comes with proprietary stuff then...

 4 Core (8 Threads) 2.3GHz Intel i7-4712MQ

I guess that means it comes with the AMT backdoor.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_AMT


Re: [Trisquel-users] is Debian GNU/Hurd free?

2014-11-23 Thread jadonplevesque

Give proprietary software and inch, and it'll move a mile

Even a single proprietary component is a security and privacy risk-  
certainly, if your computer NEEDS one proprietary component (And you are  
unable to replace your PC with one that doesn't need any proprietary  
software) it's better than nothing.
With most PCs I've install Trisquel on, though, the only problem is wifi,  
which can be easily fixed.


Re: [Trisquel-users] is Debian GNU/Hurd free?

2014-11-23 Thread Andrew Roffey
Armworm:
 But Mr. Stallman thinks the user should not be told about the option 
 to use the system with only a few non-free components. Not only is 
 this censorship, he is harming his cause.

Firstly, not offering proprietary software to users is not censorship.
The idea that the Debian Project could somehow be obliged to provide
users with proprietary software is absurd. On the other hand, a system
such as those which Apple offers is a system of censorship because users
entirely rely on a single repository controlled by Apple for software
and cannot modify the system in any way to change this.

Secondly, if you recognise that different freedoms can conflict with
each other then it's possible to end up in a situation where freedom of
speech in providing software to users (e.g. binary packages) might
conflict with end users' right to software freedom (see the GNU 'four
freedoms' for software). But as per my first point I will reiterate that
declining to offer software is not censorship.

Andrew