Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
The future may be murky for libdvdcss and DVD (let alone BR) playback on GNU/Linux. Some recent DVDs use an improved digital restrictions management scheme that libdvdcss is unable to crack, thus rendering the DVDs inaccessible under a free operating system. I bet Fluendo is counting on this with their business model. https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/501117-Playing-copy-protected-DVDs-in-SuSE-13-1
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
That's interesting. Thanks for the clarification.
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
"I was under the illusion that Trisquel deliberately makes it harder to install non-free firmware." Nope. That is a bug in Linux-libre that Trisquel inherited from using the Linux-libre deblob scripts. You see, when the non-free firmware isn't there and the kernel tries to use it, that name of the firmware file gets logged along with a "file not found" message. Alexandre Oliva, the maintainer of Linux-libre, sees that as people's computers telling them to go install some file because it's missing and thinks that this falls into the category of "steering" people toward it. So he found a way to avoid that problem by munging the file name so that it isn't logged anymore. A side effect of that is the kernel won't load the file, even if it's there, because the file name the kernel is wanting doesn't match the name of the firmware that's installed. It's entirely a side effect of trying to avoid steering people to non-free things. Ideally a different method could be found. There's even an incomplete patch on the Linux-libre mailing list to enable firmware loading without steering people to it but it seems a low priority, especially since someone that really wants to could un-munge the file names, re-build the kernel with that change, and continue on with it happily loading the firmware.
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
Debian Jessie plays multimedia just fine. Well, Totem has a Gstreamer bug and one must remove gstreamer1.0-vaapi first. I'm on Debian and I've not added any multimedia enabling repos or installed additional codecs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer1.0/+bug/1373978
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
I was under the illusion that Trisquel deliberately makes it harder to install non-free firmware. It won't accept wi-fi blobs, for instance. About third-party repos I'm not sure. I guess non-free repos are easily added if one so wishes.
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
"Moreover, it's inconsistent on FSF's part as they don't make any reference to Fedora having non-free repos enabled easily -- like Debian. They seem to think that Debian's non-free repos are somehow more integrated into the system than they are in Fedora." (Sorry, an earlier version of this message was lost when I somehow accidentally activated the browser's Back button. Now I have to re-write this and it won't be as good.) On the contrary: The setups are quite different. RPM Fusion is under a different domain name, on different servers, maintained by different people, and not referred to in the Fedora documentation. It seems that the FSF considers that to be sufficiently different that it's no different than if some random person on the internet, with no connection to the Fedora project, were to distribute non-free software. With the connection broken, it seems they find it unfair to blame the Fedora Project itself. In comparison, Debian's non-free exists within the debian.org domain name, on Debian servers, maintained by Debian Developers while wearing their official Debian hats, and referred to in the Debian documentation. So I forgive the FSF for not buying into the Debian Project's excuse that "Oh no - that's not mine" when other packages meeting that same criteria -- say GNOME -- that are "within the debian.org domain name, on Debian servers, maintained by Debian Developers while wearing the official Debian hats, and referred to in the Debian documentation" is officially part of Debian. It seems the FSF sees right through this too. Perhaps if the separation were made clearer -- more like RPM Fusion -- things would change. "...having non-free repos enabled easily..." It's not about how "easy" or "hard" it is to install non-free software. If you review the FSF's criteria for endorsing a distro at http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html they make no requiement that a distro work to frustrate someone's efforts to install non-free stuff. The only requirement is that the Project not distribute it or steer people to it. And this matches their document. To quote from "Avoiding Ruinous Compromises" at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.en.html: "The issue here is not whether people should be 'able' or 'allowed' to install nonfree software; a general-purpose system enables and allows users to do whatever they wish." "The issue is whether we guide users towards nonfree software. What they do on their own is their responsibility; what we do for them, and what we direct them towards, is ours. We must not direct the users towards proprietary software as if it were a solution, because proprietary software is the problem." Given the different setups it seems that the FSF considers the Debian Project to do more 'directing' (since it's in their documentation and distributed by the project) than Fedora does.
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
Fedora is sponsored by Red Hat, a multinational corporation headquartered in Raleigh, North Carolina, USA. Official Trisquel policy seems to be: Ignore patents entirely. Can't necessarily blame others for wanting to draw the line in a different place though. And you can't escape patent problems entirely because the whole system (at least in the US) is soo broken. But there is some low-hanging fruit that is very easy to chop off. Multimedia codecs is one such thing.
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
That line was misplaced. I wanted to say that the repos are in RPM Fusion, not in the distribution itself. I read the link before I posted and provided it in my post.
[Trisquel-users] Re : CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
FSF guidelines on free software also prohibit endorsing Fedora as a libre free distribution. My guess is it must be the US law. https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html explains why the FSF does not endorse Fedora: Fedora does have a clear policy about what can be included in the distribution, and it seems to be followed carefully. The policy requires that most software and all fonts be available under a free license, but makes an exception for certain kinds of nonfree firmware. Unfortunately, the decision to allow that firmware in the policy keeps Fedora from meeting the free system distribution guidelines.
[Trisquel-users] Re : CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
Yes... although quidam, Trisquel's leader and main developer, migrated to the US to work at the FSF.
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
Fedora is based in the US while Trisquel in Spain?
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
I'm not sure why Fedora doesn't include plugins for common multimedia playback like Trisquel does." Probably to minimize patent risk.
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
Only if you enable the non-free repository.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Icecat language is not set into system language
Not having "Language Support" proposing IceCat's localization looks like a bug to report: https://trisquel.info/en/project/issues As for incomplete localization, I am not sure it is bug. Those packages probably are not on the ISO to save space.
[Trisquel-users] Re : CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
Warning about the RPM Fusion repository: it is full of proprietary software!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Icedove version 38.4.0-1-deb7u1+7.0trisquel2 fails to connect to OpenMailBox.org's IMAP and POP3 servers
I don't give a hoot in Hell for anything but getting off this list. I don't want to go to the effort and wasted time of trying to help fix it. I just want off. I sent my unsubscribe post but I'm still getting trisquel posts. The Trisquel mail bomb ruined Thunderbird, so now the Junk file is the only place that gets mail and when I try to move it, it is lost. Thanks a lot, whoever did that. I have not filed a bug report, but my response to having 20MB of mail dumped into my inbox all at once may have gone in as a bug report. It's not a bug. Whoever runs the site finally figured out how to make it work, but didn't know how to prevent what effectively was a DoS attack. I can't use Trisquel due to being unable to turn off the narrator before I run out of patience, but it hasn't been a problem until this DoS attack. I regret not unsubscribing in time to prevent this. Tommy Tolson On 04/18/2016 12:07 PM, fr...@openmailbox.org wrote: > I can see the issue has been opened here in trisquel.info, but has it > been done there : https://wiki.debian.org/Icedove#Reporting_Bugs ? > > And maybe it comes from the upstream thunderbird ? > > Bt the more, has someone tried to expose the problem to openmailbox > maintainer ? > >
[Trisquel-users] Re : Icedove version 38.4.0-1-deb7u1+7.0trisquel2 fails to connect to OpenMailBox.org's IMAP and POP3 servers
I can see the issue has been opened here in trisquel.info, but has it been done there : https://wiki.debian.org/Icedove#Reporting_Bugs ? And maybe it comes from the upstream thunderbird ? Bt the more, has someone tried to expose the problem to openmailbox maintainer ?
[Trisquel-users] Re : Icedove version 38.4.0-1-deb7u1+7.0trisquel2 fails to connect to OpenMailBox.org's IMAP and POP3 servers
Just to say that all of this can be done in a grahical way within synaptic : So, for newcomers in linux : open synaptic package manager select icedove package click on package/force version don't forget to block the version to prevent the updater from installing the newest version until this is fixed
Re: [Trisquel-users] Icecat language is not set into system language
Supertramp said: Here is the lnguage packs folder -> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/38.7.1/langpacks/ I would like to get lnguage packs folder in. the. martian language. What is Inguage? Is that a developers new language? I could speak and write geringosa, you want to learn?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Building a Trisquel TAILS
What does not having special security features have to do with proprietary firmware blobs? You can even ask the Tails developers if you don't believe me; they're quite up-front about this. Tails adds back in firmware blobs for wireless cards so that it can work with the Internet on as many computers as possible. They consider this to be more important than making Tails entirely libre, and I don't really blame them, to be honest. So to make a completely libre version of Tails, all that's needed is to remove the blobs again. Or better yet, just copy their build process and modify it to not add the firmware blobs back in.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Anybody else mail bombed by Trisquel?
I don't know if we are talking about the same, but my Emacs RMAIL file is >10MB big due to massive email flooding from Trisquel mailing emails. Strange email addresses create bizarre, February-dated messages with none but strange symbols in their message bodies. I was forced to delete my RMAIL file, and now the problem seems to be solved. Although, it seems a really strange issue to me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Building a Trisquel TAILS
Thanks, I will build a Tails with Debian's kernel.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Building a Trisquel TAILS
No, Debian's kernel is deblobbed (it has been since Squeeze). Tails adds those blobs back in, but getting rid of them would be trivial.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Building a Trisquel TAILS
by the stock deblobbed Debian kernel, you mean the one that jxself provides?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Building a Trisquel TAILS
I don't see what the point of that would be. There are already Tails users, so why not just make a deblobbed version of Tails and not have to worry about it?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Building a Trisquel TAILS
So we need to publish a Trisquel Tails to get other users and make it anonymous.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Building a Trisquel TAILS
You probably could, but to be honest it would probably be easier just to build it with the stock de-blobbed Debian kernel. TAILS users need to have the same set of software so that they are anonymous, so it would be better just to swap the kernel only.
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
It used to be sudo yum install vlc Since Fedora 22 it's deprecated. They use dnf now. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/31/fedora_22_review/
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
I once tried Fedora rpm install vlc Turns up crap. BLAG better although now extremely outdated Thanks Red Hat! >;-(
Re: [Trisquel-users] CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
Even Windows 10 doesn't natively support encrypted DVD's anymore. They removed the codec and the functionality (Media Center). A player is available in the shop for $$. The free alternative is, of course VLC and libdvdcss*. In Fedora, one has to install RPM Fusion. It's a few clicks away, so pretty easy to do even when trying Fedora live. CentOS 7 doesn't have RPM Fusion so far. http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration/
[Trisquel-users] Re : CodeMeter and Fluendo OnePlay
It is also worth remembering that: software patents are illegal in most of the world: in the European Union, China, India, Brazil, Russia, South Africa, New Zealand, etc.; Trisquel's default install includes the "ugly" set of GStreamer plugins (called like that because of actively enforced patents on the "technology" they implement); executing 'sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh' in a terminal installs "libdvdcss2" to read DVDs with DRMs (most movie DVDs, unfortunately).
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to change keyboard layout to Russian?
To some extend another workaround might be just to add the keyboard indicator if you're already having 'indicator applet complete': dconf write /com/canonical/indicator/keyboard/visible true but it is not sloving the problem which I'm still facing and that is I could not change the keyboard layout just by pressing keyboard shortcuts (as default: super+space)
