Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-01-31 Thread onpon4
The question that comes to mind for me is, "lightweight" in what sense? I  
don't think anyone who requests a "lightweight" browser really understands  
what they're asking for. Here are a few possibilities I can think of:


1. Low memory footprint (e.g. because your computer only has 1GB of RAM)
2. Low download size (e.g. because you're running your OS on an SD card)
3. Faster performance
4. Simple interface (as opposed to a highly stylized one)

Midori happens to be #1, #2, and #4, in comparison to Firefox. Pale Moon is  
just #4 compared to Firefox. Firefox (and Abrowser) is #3 compared to both of  
these other browsers. Any browser can get #3 just by turning JavaScript off.  
And of course, the masters of all of these are the command-line browsers,  
like lynx and elinks, and out of graphical browsers, NetSurf easily wins all  
of these categories.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-01-31 Thread dhood
Palemoon is not a lightweight browser, it's a fork of Firefox using an  
outdated fork of gecko. Abrowser, which comes with Trisquel is as "light" as  
Palemoon, while also not being out of date in an attempt to preserve features  
no one cares about from very early versions of Firefox.


Just use Abrowser



[Trisquel-users] Re : Home Folder In Places Points To Disk Usage Analyzer

2018-01-31 Thread lcerf
It would fix nothing: the problem is in your personal configuration,  
somewhere in ~/.config, not in the system configuration.  I am surprised  
there is no bookmarks in the file browser.  I am pretty sure they define the  
places that show up in GNOME Shell's dash.  I thought it was the same in  
Trisquel's default desktop environment.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Web Browser

2018-01-31 Thread lcerf
Here is a Shell script that creates a table from as many user.js and prefs.js  
file as you want (the only arguments of the script):

#!/bin/sh
if [ -z "$1" ]
then
printf "Usage: $0 prefs1.js ...
"
exit
fi
printf '# key'
TMP=`mktemp -dt all_prefs.XX`
trap "rm -r $TMP 2>/dev/null" 0
keys=$TMP/$(seq -s " $TMP/" $#)
values=$TMP/$(seq -s ".val $TMP/" $#).val
mkfifo $TMP/keys $keys $values
grep '^ *user_pref *( *"' "$@" | cut -d \" -f 2 | sort -u | tee $keys >  
$TMP/keys &

for k in $keys
do
printf "\t$1"
grep '^ *user_pref *( *"' "$1" | cut -d \" -f 2- | sed -e 's/" *,  
*/'"$(printf \\t)"/ -e 's/ *) *; *$//' | sort -t "$(printf \\t)" -k 1,1 |  
join -t "$(printf \\t)" -a 1 -e undef -o 2.2 $k - > $k.val &

shift
done
printf '
'
paste $TMP/keys $values
After a header, the script outputs one row per key, ordered alphabetically in  
the first column.  There is one additional column per file (in the order they  
are given to the script).  In such a column, the value is "undef" if the file  
does not define the key (present in at least one other file).  Values are  
tab-separated.  The script will work as long as the input files do not  
include any tab (\011).  Supernumerary spaces anywhere in the input files  
should not raise any problem.


For the challenge (performance is not an issue here), I wrote the script  
above under a constraint: to not write anything to the disk.  Only to pipes  
(and the final output is to the standard output, that you can redirect).  As  
a consequence, all the commands executed in the two longest lines and the  
final 'paste' run in parallel.


If you (or somebody else) want(s) explanation about part of the script, I can  
answer.


Re: [Trisquel-users] news about eoma68?

2018-01-31 Thread jason
The forums are still integrated with the mailing list so the email address is  
still public.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Home Folder In Places Points To Disk Usage Analyzer

2018-01-31 Thread davidpgil

Places isn't a Bookmark. Ctrl + B shows nothing after the window pops up. :/

Would reinstalling the Trisquel DE work to fix this?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-31 Thread studio

"Meditate on this I will"
:)


Re: [Trisquel-users] news about eoma68?

2018-01-31 Thread calmstorm

Jxself seems to disagree if I recall.

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/are-there-any-libre-computers-secure-fromnot-affected-spectre-and-meltdown#comment-126834

But yeah, there is also this comment too.

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/hot-news-major-flaw-intel-cpus#comment-125946

The speculative execution is how those two vulnerabilities work...

But yeah, you may feel free to disagree with me if you wish... though there  
really is no point.


Re: [Trisquel-users] news about eoma68?

2018-01-31 Thread Mason Hock
> the gmail account I don't know how to change on
> the forum software is gone gone gone. :)

I've noticed some recent changes to the forum, including that your email 
address is no longer publically visable on your user page and that you can now 
change your email address by logging in and editing your user page.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-31 Thread Mason Hock
> This needs lots of man hours and lots of attention, especially for
> the cryptographic parts (and I am not an expert in that).

There may be people here who can help who aren't following this thread. It 
might be worth starting a new thread with a subject line specific to this 
project, summarizing what you've found, the purpose of the git repo, and what 
needs to be done. Since privacy information about Firefox forks will benefit 
Abrowser, I think this is probably Trisquel-related enough for the main forum 
(as opposed to the troll lounge).

The evolution of this thread has been interesting. It has almost transcended 
the status of a single thread that has gotten off topic and become an 
independent forum with its own subthreads that are only tangentially related to 
each other but on-topic within themselves, but that keep connecting back to a 
main branch that runs in parallel to a Bugzilla thread. We've even begun to 
adapt to the emerging stucture, returnin to the tops levels for posts that 
require extra visability. There's a part of me that wants to just embrace this 
and see what curious organism emerges if we let things play out, but discussion 
of your git repo will probably fare better in a more focused enviornment. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Late Christmas gift for the FSF

2018-01-31 Thread svenerik_vn

Which way did currency go in 1929? Left?


Re: [Trisquel-users] (Trisquel 8) Problems with installing add-ons in Abrowser

2018-01-31 Thread svenerik_vn

Thankythank thank you sir


Re: [Trisquel-users] Downloading videos from youtube with "$ avideo *video-url*" gives me only the sound.

2018-01-31 Thread svenerik_vn

Awesome! :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Late Christmas gift for the FSF

2018-01-31 Thread i_write_words

I hope bitcoin isn't going to go the way currency went in 1929.

No idea, but I'm sure others here have opinions.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-31 Thread i_write_words
Nah, you're just getting the brunt of my anger at myself so I don't have to  
ask my doctor if Celexa is right for me. I just don't speak your language is  
all.


Guilty as charged and drama queens belong on social media, not on the English  
speakers' Peer Support forum of the Trisquel boards.


None of us are perfect and we all have our limits. Sorry for trolling you and  
trying to get my sorry ASCII out of here, just had to talk to Muhammed a sec  
there.


I know you're not a child any more than I am "Aunt Tillie" or "the face of  
the Average Joe", it's just easier for me than using my own words instead of  
tired old stereotypes turned inside out and upside down.


I wish I spoke your language but I don't. Peace out, dude, stay respectful,  
and you're in the right place for Free Software but you might be happier just  
calling it good and using this:


use.your.brain.and.your.browser.to.find.out.what.Edward.Snowden.used.opensores.png

if you genuinely have no interest in Gnu and/or free software.

David, please just try to wait for my ban until it's been a full five years  
if you can? Thanks bunches.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-31 Thread studio
After some recent feedback from pyllyuko's project it seems this whole thing  
is very overwhelming. There are lots of undocumented variables for which they  
seem to dig in bug reports etc. Even if I succeed to make something I  
definitely won't be able to keep up to date such huge amount of info long  
term.


This needs lots of man hours and lots of attention, especially for the  
cryptographic parts (and I am not an expert in that).




Re: [Trisquel-users] news about eoma68?

2018-01-31 Thread i_write_words

Hi Muhammed,

"Average Joe" here hoping my baby brother "Hey" isn't getting on your nerves.  
;)


I'm on the mailing list and can look that up for you if you're comfortable  
with asking me offlist, okay?


No worries.

CalmStorm is better at this stuff than I am but feel free to use my email  
account on the mailing list; the gmail account I don't know how to change on  
the forum software is gone gone gone. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Lightweight Browser

2018-01-31 Thread studio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_browsers

FWIW Facebook is not less proprietary than Palemoon (just saying).


Re: [Trisquel-users] news about eoma68?

2018-01-31 Thread studio

> At least that particular processor is resistant to the meltdown/spectre bs

Only according to the words ARM. (just saying)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are Big Sacrifice

2018-01-31 Thread hayder

We will replace it in the next version :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Are Big Sacrifice

2018-01-31 Thread sigdpsy
Now I am with mate desktop and uruk. At this time, mate-menu is a problem for  
me. When I used uruk 1.0, I faced this problem also.
Problem- After starting or rebooting when I click on mate-menu it start after  
4-5 second. After that it start quickly. But why it take long time at first  
time? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Why is the Trisquel version of GlassFish so old?

2018-01-31 Thread leestrobel
Hi alimiracle, thank you for the offer, that's very kind of you. Although,  
from other discussions I've had, it seems that GlassFish may not be what I  
need after all. Thanks again though :-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant (unofficially) at FOSDEM '18

2018-01-31 Thread member

Hi Fil, I will be in Brussels for FOSDEM too. We could surely meet.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Home Folder In Places Points To Disk Usage Analyzer

2018-01-31 Thread lcerf
For sure, the "Places" are the bookmarks of the file manager in GNOME Shell  
(what I use).  I am pretty sure it used to be the same with GNOME 2.  It  
would be weird that GNOME Flashback (or is it Fallback?) behaves differently.  
 Try to find "Edit Bookmarks" in the menus or type Ctrl+B that should be the  
keyboard shortcut.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-31 Thread studio
Visualization is easy. Extracting/storing/manipulating/versioning the data is  
the challenge.


First I need to find a way to extract all the existing variables and their  
values from each FF fork and from the different user.js projects. Storing all  
that may require more than 2 dimensions for the data structure, so it may  
turn out more complicated than I thought.




Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-31 Thread studio
> There is sense: the telemetry component of Firefox sends anonimized data  
that help Firefox's development, safe search warns about phishing and  
malware, etc.


> "Different views than yours" is what you call "nonsense".

No. It is not "my view" vs another. It is contradiction of facts with  
promises.


Mozilla admits that Firefox transmits a full fingerprint of the system, the  
way the program is being used and couple all that with your IP address. There  
is nothing "anonimized" about that, it contradicts the very definition of  
privacy and putting it in a "privacy" policy is complete nonsense.


https://trisquel.info/en/forum/web-browser?page=4#comment-127197

> I defend the free software definition

Please do it in a separate dedicated thread as suggested by Mason, so this  
one doesn't get repeatedly diluted with all that.


> You blame the free software definition for not providing you the software  
you want.


No. I blame FSF for misleading the reader (paragraph 3):

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/web-browser?page=4#comment-127279