Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-18 Thread ilreh
>Why not something like Cinnamon, which has a "natural" GNOME Shell layout  
and a fallback mode at the same time?
Because Cinnamon, just like GNOME 3, is focused on modern machines with  
proprietary blobs thus one can assume that the "fallback" options could be  
discontinued in the near future. The classic option of GNOME Shell was  
originally intended to be dropped real soon and kind of "survived" due to its  
popularity.


A GNU/Linux distribution that uses absolutely no proprietary software and can  
utilize modern hardware only to some little extend should use a desktop  
environment that will most likely work under these circumstances in the  
foreseeable future.


>Or Xfce
XFCE is another good option I think. I'm not quite sure about access for  
handicapped people, though. Also, releases tend to be slow so reaction to  
security holes could lead to some concerns (and security concerns seems to  
make people consider switching to free software). Another little disadvantage  
is, that GNOME usually comes with feature-rich applications that offer  
everything new users expect from applications while XFCE tends to sacrifice a  
bit of functionality for performance (which, again, is a plus for XFCE).


But generally, yes, if a bit of work goes into that I think XFCE is also a  
good candidate for a 100% free software distro that also focuses on  
usability, new users.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-18 Thread dguthrie
So, GNOME Shell seems pretty much like a good option to me. GNOME Classic I  
think is the way forward. They chose it for TAILS because it is easy to use  
for normal people.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread onpon4

> Similar layout to Windows, easy to switch / get used to

This is entirely customized for Trisquel, so I don't think this should be  
considered as a "pro" for Flashback. Any desktop environment can be modified  
to look like Windows (even GNOME Shell, via extensions).


> doesn't depend on hardware-accelerated graphics (think about libreboot  
users)


I'd like to note that GNOME Shell doesn't, either. It actually runs  
surprisingly well without it. I don't know about Cinnamon or KDE or Unity,  
though. Every other one I can think of does not require any hardware  
acceleration.


> supports access for handicapped people

An advantage not shared by all DEs, but it is shared by GNOME Shell and MATE.

> since it's GNOME (popular) many dependencies for other programs are already  
included


I don't know whether or not this is technically true by some sort of  
accident, but I doubt it's true in any special way for GNOME, at least. In  
any case, it's kind of irrelevant since the b


> No switchables users by default

Not true. You can create new accounts. Ubiquity just doesn't help you with  
this when you install the system.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread sitereg

> And second bug: the Unity have button with Ubuntu logo, I right?

No, it must have Trisquel logo.

https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/blob/belenos/helpers/make-unity


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread dguthrie
Why not something like Cinnamon, which has a "natural" GNOME Shell layout and  
a fallback mode at the same time?

Or Xfce.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread dguthrie
You need not compile from source. The Unity Tweak Tool allows you to turn off  
the online features of Dash, the search function. See  
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/how-install-unity-desktop-environment-and-create-session-entry-trisquel-70




Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread stas . mihaylenko
Unity? I like this interface. But it has privacy issues. I need to get source  
code and remove this. Then I can use this.

And second bug: the Unity have button with Ubuntu logo, I right?


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread ilreh
I really like GNOME Fallback however I understand the complains. But one can  
do something about it. Let me explain:


GNOME Fallback (as in Trisquel 7) Pros:
+ Similar layout to Windows, easy to switch / get used to
+ doesn't depend on hardware-accelerated graphics (think about libreboot  
users)

+ supports access for handicapped people
+ stable, around for a long time
+ since it's GNOME (popular) many dependencies for other programs are already  
included


GNOME Fallback (as in Trisquel 7) Cons:
- No searchable menus / app search
- No switchables users by default
- (there are probably more)

So I sugged sticking with GNOME Fallback but also including software like  
Cardapio (better integrated, without the internet-search stuff included for  
privacy, probably needs some work) for the menu and replacing the default  
menu, adding at least 2 seats in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf by default, so  
ctrl+alt+f8 works and 2 users / accounts can be logged in at the same time.  
Some minor changes (like making Windows-button open the menu by default)  
would also make an easier experience.


I think with just a bit of work, GNOME Fallback could be the perfect balance  
between all requirements. As it is now, it's a little bit too dusty.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread dguthrie
This is to an extent true, but computers designed for Windows Vista (some of  
them have in excess of 1-2GoB of RAM) generally can handle GNOME Shell if  
they are Intel computers.
It's true that computers designed for XP and earlier are generally better for  
something more lightweight though. This should be Xfce in my opinion. It is  
much more accomplished and has many more features than GNOME Panel. It is  
also has more active development, and the releases add tangible new features.  
LXDE is lightweight, but I do not know of any older computer that cannot  
handle Xfce (mostly because I use window managers with such computers, I have  
not tried Xfce on really old computers circa 1999).




Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread Ignacio Agulló

dguth...@posteo.net, Mar 17 Mai 2016 12:54:33 CEST:

I have tried GNOME-panel a lot, and it is quite underwhelming. The  
application menus don't show all the applications; things like the  
Tweak Tool and Synaptic don't show up, and the settings are weird.  
It doesn't offer much advantage over Xfce.


 Agreed.

 I prefer Cinnamon.


Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es


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Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-05-17 Thread dguthrie
I have actually decided that GNOME Shell with GNOME-classic  should be the  
default.
I have tried GNOME-panel a lot, and it is quite underwhelming. The  
application menus don't show all the applications; things like the Tweak Tool  
and Synaptic don't show up, and the settings are weird. It doesn't offer much  
advantage over Xfce.
GNOME Shell is really easy to use. It looks great on most computers and it is  
designed with new computer users in mind. I know it got a backlash from the  
people who liked GNOME 2, and to be fair it was kind of crap when it was  
first released, but it has really improved. It is so easy a child can use it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread dguthrie
I understand this, but my point is that, save LXDE, most if the desktop  
environments are on par in terms of power drain during normal use (although  
KDE is a bit more bloated).


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread anthk

Mate is good enough.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread mcz

Still only 1 point out of 3.

Mate would be bad publicity compared to gnome-shell. It looks familiar only  
to those who are used to it.
But The forum/website is not too good looking/functional either. For PR, this  
matters. And a modern-looking DE would be one hell of an improvement.


For me personally, it doesn't: I set my Trisquel myself, and I can quickly  
modify a standard Trisquel to a gnome-shell or whatever for someone else. I  
could (and will) even script that.


Also, there's gnome-classic mode in gnome-shell, so you can even keep your  
old workflow. No reason to bother with Mate.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread anthk

It has a GTK3 port in progress.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread vitacell
I prefer XFCE4 + Compton. Or XFCE + Compiz. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread jjgomezb94

Trinity Desktop for Trisquel 8.



Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread vitacell

This is a very huge porn actress.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread mcz

It's nice to see someone giving actual explanations for his/her choice.

I just think gnome-shell (with a few easy tweaks) is very classic in use, and  
very appealing. Fallback is ugly as f*ck. Same with Mate IMO.
Appeal matters for new users. But I agree that the "out of the box"  
gnome-shell is not familiar enough.

There's also gnome-classic for a near-Mate looks.

But the ability to run better on slower hardware (I've read it's a very minor  
issue), and that seemingly unique behavior with external drives looks nice.
According to this, I'd vote for a slightly tweaked gnome-shell as default.  
New users around me are more than pleased.


A few tweaks that come to mind : Faenza icon theme (or something even more  
classic), activate minimizing/maximizing icons on Abrowser, add the  
applications menu, get rid of the rounded corners (I ended up doing it in  
CSS), add a dock extension, and that's pretty much it, if I'm not mistaken.

I'll have to test the external drive behavior.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread mcz

That may be, but XFCE is lighter.

OTOH, this is some weird behavior. I don't remember using XFCE for long, so I  
can't confirm, but with other WM/DE, I've never had the brightness level  
change by itself.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread calmstorm
strangely enough, though mate's power manager has more potential for  
increasing battery life, due to the fact that it can permanently set the  
brightness of the device to whatever you wish. i put it at 90 and the change  
is phenomenal. its like a 30% increase in battery life. it used to be hard to  
get 2 hours and 30 minutes to appear when i would turn on my computer for  
power manager, but now it says 3 hours of 30 minutes. lol


It is simply amazing how mate's power manager increases battery life more  
than the xfce one. ;)


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread mcz
Mate is ugly, has a poor gtk3 support, and it's ugly. Also, setting up  
universal access seems complicated.


Not good enough for a flag DE.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread calmstorm
well at the very least, the mate power manager is far superior to the xfce  
one.


you can set the brightness one time to one level and it stays at that level  
no matter how many times you shut down and turn back on.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread sethcchrn6

I used Mint for a short while and really enjoyed Cinnamon.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread dguthrie
On battery life, LXDE is certainly the lightest desktop environment on its  
own, and its default applications are very light. But after LXDE, the  
difference between other desktop environments is actually not great. In some  
cases, XFCE is actually less lightweight than GNOME Shell! The power  
management is actually pretty similar. The features that drain power the most  
are applications. If you use your laptop for libreoffice, you will not get  
significantly worse battery life on GNOME vs a reputedly lighter desktop  
environment such as MATE or XFCE. Other than just the shell or a window  
manager such as Fluxbox, the best battery life is LXDE+no  
wallpaper+lightweight apps.
So my point is for an average user who likes the wallpaper, WiFi access,  
heavy applications such as Libreoffice, MATE is not much better than GNOME.

KDE on the other hand, is bloated (QT?) and therefore is a battery guzzler.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread calmstorm
I agree with you on mate because after installing it, I completely agree it  
is better,


but i think LXDE should be the other desktop or even better than that, have  
lxde xfce gnome and mate isos as options and if not that I would say put all  
the good ones (mate xfce kde gnome lxde) onto the net install and dvd install  
and just have mate and gnome as the normal options. :)


I must admit i am greatly impressed with mate right now. IT seems to be good.  
only question i have left is how much battery life does it drain...


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread megver . 2000
Well, if you refer to the next release, I would like to see KDE and XFCE. But  
actually I got the default GNOME DE and installed KDE 4. I like plasma  
becouse is very friendly and easy to use.




Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread enduzzer

I'm all for Gnome 3 Shell and Gnome Fallback, just like Debian.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread umdhlebe
When choosing the default desktop environment, it is important to think of  
the main purposes of Trisquel GNU/Linux, and not about personal preferences  
alone.


It should encourage unexperienced computer users to try free software  
(experienced linux users won't have a problem with changing their DE anyway).  
It should be able to use up-to-date free software applications. It should be  
convenient. It must support universal access for handicapped persons,  
especially at install time(!). It should meet security and privacy  
requirements.


XFCE and MATE are unsuitable because the first is still gtk2, and the second  
supports gtk3 only experimentally so far. It would be difficult to get  
universal access tools working, and they would require to replace a lot of  
applications.


KDE can do everything for experienced users, but uses to confuse  
unexperienced users.


And then there is the funny fact that Micro$oft forgot to take out a patent  
for their most influential invention: a desktop with a taskbar at the bottom  
and a start-button in the lower left corner. Everybody who learned personal  
computing after 1994 knows this concept. It became a standard by custom.  
GNOME Shell and Unity both irritate users because the working environment  
"disappears" after pressing certain keys. Again: this is no problem for  
experienced users, and not for people who never used a DE before, but this is  
not the general case to expect.


The GNOME Fallback solution is really fine. It meets the expectations of the  
average computer user. It allows to use gtk3-applications. Replacing mutter  
with metacity allows to run it on slower hardware, and metacity is well  
tested and very stable. It removed these damn Gnome Online Accounts, but  
included the tweak tool and alacarte as standard. It works with screenreader  
and universal access tools. What I like most is the behaviour with external  
data storage: adding the disk mounter to the taskbar allows to see an  
attached device, to mount it, and to open it in separate steps - no  
automounting, and no unwanted "disappearance" of unmounted devices. Safe and  
convenient.


To choose LXDE for the lightweight solution is excellent, too. Almost  
everything can be adjusted according to  
http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Configuration but the default configuration  
works fine for unexperienced users.


All in all, the standard configurations of Trisquel GNU/Linux 7 and Trisquel  
Mini were really good choices and should be kept in the next release.


I respect all other opinions, but their authors obviously know how to get  
what they prefer. A standard desktop environment must be able to attract new  
users. We need more users of free software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread jbar
Mate and GNOME are the only desktop environments that fit the accessibility  
support required by trisquel. So they are the only possible choices for the  
default trisquel version.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread davesamcdxv
gtk2 and gtk3 wouldn't be a problem, we can leave those DEs at GTK2 and leave  
only the gtk3 apps to use gtk3.


Hell, that's how everything apart from GNOME and Cinnamon (and Budgie, MGSE,  
you get the idea) has worked since...2009!


And that's exactly how they've worked with Qt apps sincetime immemorial  
(I was still in my diapers back then, I guess).


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread anthk
Mate, is the best one, if Trisquel backports Mate's repos in order to get  
recent features.


If not, XFCE4.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread onpon4

GNOME Shell is really elegant when you get used to it. It's also very simple.

I also wouldn't characterize it as designed for touch screens. Some aspects  
of it are more friendly to touch screens, but in general, it's designed for a  
mouse and keyboard. Keyboard support, especially, is something that GNOME  
Shell gives a great deal of attention to. You can quite literally do  
everything just in the keyboard very easily if you want to.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread ewlabonte
XFCE, it's gtk and unlikely to branch off into something unrecognizable, like  
gnome-shell did.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread dguthrie
I tried the newest version in Debian Unstable again. Although LXQT clearly  
does not consume significantly more RAM than LXDE, QT definitely makes it  
more bloated, so that some things do - from time to time - hang or render too  
slowly or incorrectly. It's still version 0.10 so obviously it has plenty of  
potential, especially around Wayland, so that we can have this new technology  
without having to use GNOME or KDE (which are not lightweight).


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread nuevodesorden

MATE  PERIOD


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread davesamcdxv
It's still an acquired taste though. HAving acquired said taste, I think it's  
great.


But to (rather forcibly) bother people who are not crious about it with a new  
workflow they never asked for? I think GNOME Classic came too late :(


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread allanitomwesh
GNOME 3 is nice i'll agree,i've been trying it out lately.How it's radically  
different i guess is what throws people off


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread jbar
There's xfdashboard under development, which adds similar features than  
gnome-shell to xfce.


http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfdashboard/start


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread newellrp1
If you are considering offering LXDE, just go with LXQT instead. There is a  
lot more going on with QT vs GTK+.


http://blog.lxde.org/?p=1117


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread newellrp1
If you read the article I linked, the difference is only 10s of MB. It works  
great on Arch Linux, so I guess it depends on package versions, etc.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-04-15 Thread dguthrie
It's not quite as stable yet, though. I used it on Debian Unstable for a  
while, and often the panel does not always go away when you click somewhere  
else on the screen. It also used to hang for a few seconds at times. LXQT is  
very functional but unfortunately it is not quite as stable as LXDE, and LXQT  
consumes more resources than LXDE (it is lightweight but QT is more  
resource-hungry than normal GTK+). It is the future though, and I think LXQT  
will be more or less finished in a year or two, or even earlier.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-27 Thread freeworld4
I enabled minimize and maximize in gnome-tweak-tool. So you can still sort of  
navigate like you did in old gnome or gnome fallback.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-27 Thread freeworld4

I thought you could use those same keyboard commands in gnome 2 also?


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-26 Thread freeworld4
Gnome Fallback! Do most of you guys use touch screens these days? gnome shell  
is too much like a tablet or smart phone layout. But I might change my mine.  
I just installed gnome-shell have to get use to it first to know for sure.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread anandawardhana

(1) I voted for Gnome Shell.
This is for the "regular" or "main" edition.

(2) And there should always be Trisquel mini with LXDE for computers with low  
resources.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread calmstorm

I think i found a new one that i love. Razor-qt ;)


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davidpgil

what is the name of the launcher you use? I like it!


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread deavmi

That would be nice to see Cinnamon get in there. BTW if MATE available?


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread jjgomezb94

Hello davidpgil.

The launcher/dock is a new panel with with color and transparency.

Thank you for your comment.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread franparpe

I also like gnome-fallback :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread tfeayush

can we use Pantheon DE in Trisquel?


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread tfeayush

cant we install it in Trisquel like we do in Ubuntu?


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread jason
Maybe, but remember that this thread isn't about how to set up a given DE but  
what should be the default one in Trisquel 8. Whatever is chosen as the  
default desktop for Trisquel 8 will need to be added (by someone) into the  
repositories if it's not there already (like Pantheon.) Trisquel's default  
desktop should not involve people having to go enable third party PPAs, etc.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread pinmaritim

I recently have discovered and enjoy ICEWM with ConnochaetoOS 14.1
Works well on gNewsense Ucclia ...might be rather retro look but it uses only  
140mb of RAM and a some amazing softwares...very reactive,no polished shiny  
stuff,press button gui.


I totally agree with Calm Storm

Although i think every desktop environment should be available on the dvd and  
net install


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread jbar
I mainly use xfce, but from time to time I install GNOME (with GNOME-Shell)  
and the more I use it the more I like.


So I'd like to see GNOME-Shell as default in Trisquel.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread albin
I like GNOME Fallback for Trisquel 7, but for version 8 I wish to see GNOME  
Shell, at least as an option in the installer. GNOME Shell looks fantastic  
and works great if you're sitting with a laptop, which I believe more people  
are doing nowadays.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread miguel

Openbox (+ tint2).


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread kjagustafson

Don't you mean Trisquel 7? Unless we're talking about the next release? :-P

Anyways, I voted for XFCE. When I setup my system with Trisquel, I basically  
use it like Debian and went with a minimal net install. Then after that was  
done, I installed XFCE, my programs I like, and compiled a newer version of  
Linux-libre.


It works well for me. It's not exactly what one would consider the easiest  
out of the box experience, but it suits me and is tailored to my needs/likes.


I did consider using a tilable window manager such as i3, but for the  
programs I use as well as my workflow, it just made more sense to use XFCE.  
It's light, and stays out of my way.


I think the default Trisquel environment is good for people who want a no  
frills desktop that works well out of the box. (Don't get me wrong, I think  
it's well done.) Me personally, I don't like branding much; nor am I a fan of  
Gnome fallback, so I opt for something else.


My two cents. ;-)


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davesamcdxv

Ah, I'm the only one who voted GNOME fallback so far..


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davidpgil

Oh I see, interesting. Ill try that too and see how I like it.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davesamcdxv
Ah mistook that for the early GNOME fallback then (a completely different  
thing)


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davesamcdxv
The TC1000 is more than 12 years old. (it's that Tablet PC with a  
Transmeta Crusoe)


I remember some old test that concluded that xfce is barely lighter than  
gnome 2.


The only important thing is that it'll run fast enoughMaybe I'll try XFCE  
on an old (P3) PC and see how it runs there.


But again, based on my experience with the *14-year-old* TC1000, my idea was  
that the ability to hide window content when moving/resizing it seems to me  
to be the most important factor to speed - which is more important than how  
much of the system resources is taken.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davidvargas1

Here is my favorite song for my desktop
Songwriters
KURT COBAIN

Polly wants a cracker
I think I should get off her first
I think she wants some water
To put out the blow torch

It isn't me
We have some seed
Let me clip
Your dirty wings
Let me take a ride
Don't cut yourself
I want some help
To please myself
I've got some rope
You have been told
I promise you
I have been true
Let me take a ride
Don't cut yourself
I want some help
To please myself

Polly wants a cracker
Maybe she would like some food
She asks me to untie her
A chase would be nice for a few

It isn't me
We have some seed
Let me clip
Your dirty wings
Let me take a ride
Don't cut yourself
I want some help
To please myself
I've got some rope
You have been told
I promise you
I have been true
Let me take a ride
Don't cut yourself
I want some help
To please myself

Polly said

Polly says her back hurts
And she's just as bored as me
She caught me off my guard
It amazes me, the will of instinct

It isn't me
We have some seed
Let me clip
Your dirty wings
Let me take a ride
Don't cut yourself
I want some help
To please myself
I've got some rope
You have been told
I promise you
I have been true
Let me take a ride
Don't cut yourself
I want some help
To please myself



Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread duncan
I like LXDE and Openbox. However, I most enjoy using Cinnamon desktop  
environment. It balances usability and good design. I hope it makes it into  
Trisquel 8, and perhaps it will replace the default desktop environment in  
the next release, together with an icon redesign.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread onpon4
I'm not voting on this because it requires some kind of JavaScript code to  
work, and I've already answered in the other thread anyway.


[Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread akfoss
I created a poll for having a more transparent idea of the users about their  
preferred DE.


http://poll.fm/5hui1


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread jjgomezb94

Hello.

My English level is not good. I like much the LXDE desktop because it  
consumes very little and it is possible to personalize. Also I like the Mate  
desktop, and Gnome3 too.


I believe that the dektop environment for the next version of Trisquel is  
LXDE for Trisquel Mini and Gnome3 or Mate for Trisquel normal version.


The links are three captures of my desktop. I use Trisquel 7 LXDE.

Sorry for my bad english.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread deavmi

Yeah I agree, I don't what dodgy repos in my repos sources list.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread calmstorm

does icewm drain as little as lxde or xfce?

I would love to have a icewm now that you tell me that info... but the  
question becomes, battery life (For me)


glad you agree by the way... I only wish this could be put up to a vote.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread jbar

A couple of years ago there were unmet dependencies with nvidia stuff
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/elementary-os-desktop-environment-trisquel#comment-41980


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davesamcdxv
I think Trinity should be considered only if there's an easy way (read  
metapackage) to install the desktop shell without the rest of the DE (PDF  
reader, etc).


And I don't recall there being syuch a thing.might be wrong though.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread jason

Go package it up, make a Helper, or whatever. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread cd1207

PLEASE INCLUDE THEM ALL! EVERY ONE OF THEM!
Please! I will end up installing them all anyway, and I switch fairly  
frequently.


I use KDE primarily, because it can do anything, and it does everything. But  
for my family I set them on GNOME 3, because it's so simple you can't mess  
anything up. For really old hardware I occasionally revive, I use the  
lightweight DEs.


For my tablet that I use for school, I switch to Unity.

Actually, the only DE I *don't* use is that default Trisquel gnome fallback  
thing. It's ugly and buggy and not really good at anything (sorry!).


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread 13bloom . kevin

I use Emacs as a window manager :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread vitacell

XFCE4


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davesamcdxv
I see a lot of GNOME Shell votes...I wonder how many of those are default  
GNOME Shell (great DEbut after a rather steep learning curve which I  
don't think Linus Torvalds has bothered with (neither has RMS but he doesn't  
use the GUI) and how many are RedHat-style GNOME Shell.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread onpon4
I don't think there is one. Fedora used stock GNOME Shell last time I checked  
(no extensions, no styling, not even different icons).


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread pinmaritim

You should have IceWM available in Synaptic it is in gNewSense :)



Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davesamcdxv

Red Hat, as in RHEL, not Fedora.




Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davesamcdxv
Anyway I think XFCE would be a great option for the Mini edition - based on  
my small experience of using the Compaq TC1000, I think any relatively light  
window manager (used in non-madly-heavy desktop shells) that can move windows  
like this should work:


Xfwm4 does that(  
https://askubuntu.com/questions/574024/how-to-disable-windows-contents-to-be-moved-on-dragging-so-that-only-a-frame-i  
), but I couldn't get Openbox to do that (not with Obconf, anyway). So going  
with XFCE wouldn't be a bad idea


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread dahunt
The older I get, the newer a 20-year-old computer is;  LOL.  


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread ethernet252
I would still use GNOME, but make it more modern-looking (Like windows 10 and  
mac os), But still make it a 100% libre OS! 


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread info
https://trinitydesktop.org/ 


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread onpon4
That's a screenshot of GNOME Classic, an official set of GNOME Shell  
extensions that's supposed to make it feel more like GNOME 2.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread info

Use KDE


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread davesamcdxv

KDE5Actually I don't think something like that would end badly.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
I remember some old test that concluded that xfce is barely lighter than  
gnome 2.


Perhaps instead of having Trisquel and Trisquel mini we could just have  
Trisquel and metapackages and instructions to install the dozen DEs and  
window managers that are in the repos.


To some people a 2 year old computer is old. To some old means 12 years old.


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread calmstorm
trolls gonna troll! but meh it was amusing. (though utterly and completely  
pointless...)


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2016-02-07 Thread calmstorm

actually i think we should have xfce for the mini and gnome for the default.

Although i think every desktop environment should be available on the dvd and  
net install


Re: [Trisquel-users] [POLL] What is your preferred desktop environment of Trisquel 8 ?

2015-12-21 Thread tegskywalker
I would say to use MATE by default since it will be officially supported.  
I've grown to like Unity and I heard that the Amazon dash search and online  
information sharing will be disabled by default in Ubuntu 16.04/Trisquel 8:  
http://www.webupd8.org/2015/12/dash-online-search-to-be-disabled-by.html